Forza 6 Gamespot Review: 8.0

There's a big difference between saying that Forza 6 is likely to be a much better game, which by all accounts it factually is, and hyping it up around the forums.

The fact that this game got an 8 under the predecessors 9 shows how fickle and stupid this entire thing is around here, what you're doing included. This is a better game, it's a bigger game, it's got more features, improved graphics, more cars, more tracks, essentially everything is better. However, in the minds of you twisted and delusional individuals, you see this game, this far better game, as a failure because it scored less than a previous game that is factually inferior...

I don't even know where to begin with the stupidity exhibited where you could actually glorify and perpetuate that dumb bullshit... Have at it though if you must, try to actually convince people that this game is not the pinnacle of racing on our current generation systems, have fun with that.

History doesn't back you up here. Remember 5Club? The Order: 1886? Gran Turismo 6? You're seeing bias where there really isn't any.

The funny thing is, if say a month ago I would of made a thread claiming Forza 6 would score AA I'd have been called a troll by lemming kind.

>But it's not hyped AAA, lems have so much more to play like Gears of war remake.

Was it Xboxspot when 2013's Forza 5 got a 9/10 GS score and got a 79/100 at Metacritic?

Was it Xboxspot when 2013's The Last of Us got a 8/10 GS score and got a 95/100 Metascore?

Was it Xboxspot when 2014's The Last of Us Remastered (with all DLC) got another 8/10 and got another 95/100 Metascore?

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The Last of Us had two different GS reviewers btw and TLOU game won 200+ Game of the Year awards as a critical darling. It was a much bigger deal in the industry compared to Forza 6 and TLOU was still was low-balled at GS TWICE by two different GS reviewers. That's just how opinions work and yet it wasn't Xboxspot last year...

Maybe these are just people's opinions and we shouldn't stress to much about them. We certainly shouldn't assign fanboy agendas to reviews.

BTW: Forza 6 is sitting at a 88/100 at metacritic (which will probably go down in the coming weeks) and the GS review 8/10 is pretty close to that. The Forza 5 GS 9/10 review on the other hand was overrated by comparison to 79/100 metacritic. Considering Forza 5 was lacking content and features and was a rush launch job, the overrated GS 9/10 score was pretty peculiar. Funny how it wasn't Xboxspot back then though, eh?

Does that make it Xboxspot then?

Standards have changed. Expectations are higher for racing games. People have different opinions. The wow factor of the current gen is gone. The Forza games are great, but releasing a Forza every year may also impact the brand as well. The metascore for F6 is 88/100 currently, is that really that bad? Nah.

Well I guess we'll just never know, you'll have to live with what it is, hypothetical situations and all...

Really? I dont see anyone saying Bloodborne isnt a good game except those that dont like Souls games. What people usually say is, 'The only good game PS4 has is Bloodborne' not 'Bloodborne was overrated' or 'Bloodborne flopped.'

That's pretty much what I said, I never said it didn't deserve its score or that it was bad, I just said it's an inaccessible niche franchise which attracts very few people and I tried to enjoy it but the way it works has made that an impossibility for me.

@Suppaman100: @freedomfreak:

Idk, I've set my Windows 10 up pretty much how my Windows 8.1 was, complete with the full metro tile screen. I just like it.

NyaDC did just that though. He posted and diminished Bloodborne and even created entire threads for it.

Dire was talking to NyaDC, not you, but since you were completely unaware, I can tell you that while you didn't see what you didn't want to see, "diminishing Bloodborne after it meant HYPE" did happen with NyaDC's case. Which is peculiar since NyaDC just lodged that claim against the forum in an Xbone Forza 6 thread. NyaDC was NOT content with simply stating the PS4 had a good game with Bloodborne, actually it was quite the opposite.

TBH, I'm not sure why you posted to state what you "didn't" see since it's clear you missed NyaDC's posts and threads about Bloodborne. Most of us were there and did see it, so what you did or did not see doesn't affect what actually happened.

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@nyadc said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

You're telling me lems were hyping this as less of a game than Forza 5?

get the **** outta here with that jazz, lol.

There's a big difference between saying that Forza 6 is likely to be a much better game, which by all accounts it factually is, and hyping it up around the forums.

The fact that this game got an 8 under the predecessors 9 shows how fickle and stupid this entire thing is around here, what you're doing included. This is a better game, it's a bigger game, it's got more features, improved graphics, more cars, more tracks, essentially everything is better. However, in the minds of you twisted and delusional individuals, you see this game, this far better game, as a failure because it scored less than a previous game that is factually inferior...

I don't even know where to begin with the stupidity exhibited where you could actually glorify and perpetuate that dumb bullshit... Have at it though if you must, try to actually convince people that this game is not the pinnacle of racing on our current generation systems, have fun with that.

The funny thing is, if say a month ago I would of made a thread claiming Forza 6 would score AA I'd have been called a troll by lemming kind.

>But it's not hyped AAA, lems have so much more to play like Gears of war remake.

This is glorious. Back when this site flopped TLoU, Lems sure weren't towing this line about reviews and the metagame.

Thanks for speaking for me, dad.

It didn't happen the way you people are implying, I stayed completely objective and within the bounds of reality with everything I ever said negative about Bloodborne and the Souls franchise.

It's niche

It's repetitive and predictable

It's inaccessible

It's a grind

It's got no real story

It looks cross-gen

It was marketed as a mass appeal game which worked well to sell it initially but backfired given what it actual is and people abandoning it

I never said it was bad, I never outright bashed it and said it was garbage in the context of my opinion being a staple for reality, I only ever stated what is and what is not. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy it, like it, love it or see it as their favorite game ever, more power to them.

That just means the appeal is very **** all, and there's little to entice anyone to ever play or get into it. If people are looking for a carrot to get into Bloodborne or any Souls game for that matter, they don't have one.

Its fairly obviously most of the editors of this site favor PS4 as their preferred platform. They say stuff all the time in Xbox articles that inaccurate or just shows lackluster enthusiasm like they are just going thru the motions because they have to. Most of the Xbox One articles on this site are trollbait headlines. At least get someone that likes Xbox to write the artices.

The criticisms and attitudes in articles/vids like these are common place.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/what-would-you-like-to-see-from-microsoft-during-e/1100-6427910/

http://www.gamespot.com/videos/what-will-microsoft-show-at-e3-2015-the-lobby/2300-6425079/

However, if another user stated similar issues about Forza 6 that you lodged against Bloodborne, that would still be diminishing the game, correct? This is about what you said others users are doing today, "Game meets hype = Find a way to diminish it".

Imagine:

It's niche racing sim

It's repetitive and predictable

It's inaccessible

It's a grind

It's got no real story

It looks cross-gen

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Even if it's as objective as possible, it's still diminishing a game that "met HYPE". It's not that I disagree with an objective discourse, but rather the idea you posited regarding "diminishing games that meet HYPE". Maybe that whole "diminishing HYPEd games" shouldn't be a "thing" to worry about.

I'm glad that one fucking page is nothing about Forza 6 , but PS games.

Does an 8 bother you so much , lems?

Most of you wont even play it so why do you care?

"It's obvious"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

The only thing that's obvious is that some people expect their yearlies to be treated with velvet gloves.

Okay, and this is what you would hear from me.

There's inaccessible niche and then there is accessible niche, drastically different things and the appeal factor is worlds apart.

It's a racing game, the literal intent of racing is to repeat what you're doing going around a track, you go into it with the intent of it being repetitive.

It's not inaccessible, it's a racing game.

It's a constant slope of progression, not a grind, a grind is a standstill of buffing so you can progress.

It's a racing game, it doesn't need a story.

It doesn't look cross-gen, especially when you factor in the fact that it's operating at 60 FPS.

My question to you is now, those things that were said about Bloodborne, can you refute or explain them in a way like I did just now that makes them null?

Easy, I have done this before a dozen times with you, but I will do it again:

• It's niche
  Literally every single video game is niche, some have a bigger niche, some have a smaller one, they all have different ones. Bloodborne falls into a decently sized niche, as does the entire Souls franchise
• It's repetitive and predictable
  Repetitive, yes, but again, so is every single other video game. Halo is about shooting, Mario is about jumping, Gran Turismo is about driving, and Bloodborne is about taking out Lovecraftian monsters.
  But predictable? The point of the game is that you never know what is coming ahead, it's not predictable unless you spend a dozen hours in the exact same place. Unless you mean it is predictable in its unpredictability, in which case... okay?
• It's inaccessible
  This is a repeat of the 'it's niche' point. No it is not. If it was, it would not sell, and Souls would not sell, as much as they do. King of Fighters is inaccessible, iCars is inaccessible, Arma is inaccessible. Bloodborne just has a steep learning curve, which is still lower than other Souls games.
• It's a grind
  Yes, it's an RPG
• It's got no real story
  LOOOOOOOOOOL.This right here makes it clear you never played it beyond the first, maybe the second boss.
• It looks cross-gen
  No it does not, just the architecture on display is beyond anything the PS3 or Xbox 360 could do.

You're wrong about it, admit it, move on. Just say it does not appeal to you, there is nothing wrong with that, it's you trying to conflate that with some sort of universal objective fact that you try to project on to everyone else that is stupid. Stop speaking for others, speak for yourself, say you don't care for it, and get done with it.

No, I wouldn't refute those things about Bloodborne because I was never defending Bloodborne. I would leave that in the hands of a Bloodborne expert. Plus, I just copy/pasted your Bloodborne points as a generic talking point for F6 instead of seeking out original points to lodge against Forza 6. The truth is I don't have a bone to pick with Forza 6. It's a good racing game and series.

Instead, I was more intrigued by the "diminishing HYPd games" post you made minutes ago in this thread.

That's why I asked you, "However, if another user stated similar issues about Forza 6 that you lodged against Bloodborne, that would still be diminishing the game, correct?"

I am trying to figure out what you consider diminishing a game that meets HYPE. It's not that I disagree with an objective discourse, but rather the idea you posited regarding "diminishing games that meet HYPE". Maybe that whole "diminishing HYPEd games" shouldn't be a "thing" to worry about. "Dimishing games that meet HYPE" is too loose a definition.

Then again, if you are dead-set on having regarding those things you said about Bloodborne, Charizard did take the time to answer them piece by piece above:

But what you said is diminishing Bloodborne. "Some people might like this sort of game but it's inaccessible and won't sell".

an 88/100 metascore is definitely closer to 9/10 than 8/10.. EDIT: not that it matters, but logically and in accordance with all rules of math, until its metascore drops to 84, it's still closer to 9/10 than 8/10..

hahahahahaha

That may be "fairly obvious" to you, but I'm not really seeing it. I've been on this site (kill me) since the OG Xbox was being hyped as the "PS2 killer". Trust me, PlayStation consoles have received their fair share of criticism here on GameSpot.

Yes, that's true and that is what I'm sure millions of students who get a B (80%-89%) in Math, Science, or English would argue to try and get an A with their professor, often to no avail. That magic 90/100 line is still in the sand even with games, and other media today. Probably a holdover from the reviewers childhood.

For whatever reason over the last two decades+ that I've read game reviews, that 90/100 and 9/10 barrier is a tough line to cross.

That said, the 88/100 metascore was 89/100 earlier today, so we can't even get comfortable with that 88/100 figure yet as that number will be changing over the next few weeks (in all honesty, downward).

Still though, doesn't really change how the reviews panned out for Forza 5 or TLOU, or the conspiracy lodged by the user that this is some sort of PSspot just because the above user didn't agree with a Gamespot.com review for a game that he has NOT even played yet.

The hyper active user is too quick on the draw to push the conspiracy button without at least playing the game or researching about a thousand other reviews that in all honesty will completely conflict with his theory about GS. It was over the last decade that I heard songs of Xboxspot and Lemspot due to GS reviewers constantly favoring Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbone. It's just strange that the Forza 6 8/10 is so controversial, especially considering it's not like TLOU getting 95/100 at metacritic which also got a low 8/10 at Gamespot.com.

Much Ado About Nothing I say. F6's GS 8/10 review is much closer to the 88/100 metascore than F5's GS 9/10 review which was way, way higher than the F5 metascore of 79/100 as I said earlier. Yes, there are other odd reviews like Ultima Online, Assasins Creed1/2, MGS1, Zelda TP, Halo ODST, Halo 4, Ratchet Clank Tools, etc....but I don't have all day.

People seem to forget these are just opinions of a game...in this case, of a game that we can't even play yet.

I'm simply saying that 88/100 is closer to 9/10 than 8/10 if we are talking about a general descriptor.. for example, you wouldn't refer to Forza 5 as a 7/10 game when it has a 79/100 metascore would you? logically, that makes it an 8/10 game if you want to describe it's general reception..

Agreed, that the metascore will more than likely drop further though to around 87/100 or maybe even 86/100.. Which is still a great score by any standard..

^^ This

That IS innovative. Improving on that which is already great is thoroughly underappreciated everywhere.

RotTR only has a shot if it "innovates" and gets "more creative." Perhaps DDR style QTEs? /s

^^ This too.

There'd be more, but, in a nutshell, the review's final score is bizarrely out of touch with the review's text. The two "nitpicking" issues do not equal a 20% score drop.

That all depends if we look at these scores like school and the way the majority of reviewers seem to treat scoring games over the last few decades, or if we decide to look at it mathematically although most reviewers don't seem to be doing that.

Every time I've seen a 70-79/100 on metascritic, I've always associated the 70%-ish scoring game with a "C" rank (over the last decade since Gamerrankings and Metacritic became a thing although I was around before those sites). You may be different, but a 7/10 reads to me as a C. I look at reviews the way a school teacher looks at grades and the way that many reviewers look at games. 90% or higher is magical although I would argue it shouldn't be, that's just the way it's been for years.

For whatever reason, there is a fine line between 89% and 90%, but there shouldn't be as mathematically it's 1%, but even publishers make a HUGE, HUGE deal about that 1%, NO JOKE. Bonnie Ross of 343 made a huge deal about getting 90+ at metacritic and so do EA, Ubisoft, M$, Activision, and many other publishers. It shouldn't be that way, but we aren't dealing with ideals here. Developers raises and livelihood depends on that mystical and sought after rare 90+ metascore. We gamers can pretend it doesn't mean much but I look at the grading and scoring system the way the industry look at it and taught me to look at it over the many years of me analyzing the data. I wish it was all mathematical and ideal, but alas, it's not.

The ranking that a game receives is regarded as a barometer for whether a title will sell well, with many game industry veterans and analysts saying a game needs to score in the mid-80s to be a certified hit.

“I’d be hard pressed to buy a 60-rated game,” said Josh Holmes, “Halo 4′s” creative director.

“Anything below 75–that’s the kiss of death.”

Also, bear in mind GS doesn't have a system that allows for 8.1, 8.2, 8.5, 8.6, 8.9, etc. A game is on a ten point scale. The reviewer had a choice, rate the game an "8" or a "9". If the reviewer felt the game deserved say a 8.8, he had no way to give the game that. He had to decide if Forza 6 gets the magical AAA 9/10 score or not. He opted to go with an 8/10.

Anyways, my main point was asking that user questions about:

Was it Xboxspot when 2013's Forza 5 got a 9/10 GS score and got a 79/100 at Metacritic?

Was it Xboxspot when 2013's The Last of Us got a 8/10 GS score and got a 95/100 Metascore?

Was it Xboxspot when 2014's The Last of Us Remastered (with all DLC) got another 8/10 and got another 95/100 Metascore?

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I want @oflow to get back to that.

Game reviews don't start at 10 and go down on a point by point basis. This game got an 8 most likely because GS realized Forza 5 was overrated and this title while being a step up wasn't a monumental one from it's predecessor.

Nice, thanks for posting a link to that review. Too much linearity in the career mode is a real point for dropping the score a point, not the Gamespot nonsense. As for the puddles in place, Turn 10 mentioned a while back that it is on purpose as it mimics the real tracks when wet.

GS review is a flop. Only listed one bad thing about the game, "Replays still run at less than 60 frames per second" and they give this game an 8? What a joke GS reviews are. The game is easily much better then Forza 5 which they gave a 9. lol!! Gamespot should just fire all their reviewers and start fresh.

Now let's check out the real scores. Score of an 88 on Metacritics. Sounds about right considering Forza 5 had a 79 score.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-one/forza-motorsport-6/critic-reviews

@nyadc:
No, we see the review as a complete failure. Well, at least I do.

dat damage control

@ReadingRainbow4:
That's the problem, reviews should be that way. Also, this IS a monumental step upwards. Finally, having a "make-up review" is even worse than the "make-up calls" in basketball. That thought process: "we screwed this up, so let us PURPOSELY screw another thing up to make up for it!" Two wrongs do not make a right.

When was the last time a console racing game had 60 fps replays? And why does the reviewer care?

Do you realize game reviews don't start from 10 and knock points down per flaws, but are rated holistically?

The facts are hard to swallow for some, I know. lol!! Was there even a Forza 6 hype thread made? Give me the link. In any case, The reviewer is a Flop here. The game is definitely better then Forza 5 and the scores on Metacritic proves this in spades. GS got it wrong with TLOU and they got it wrong again here. No worries. It'll still be a day one game for most XB1 owners.

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It is, along with their GoW: UE review. lol!! Always take GS reviews with a grain of salt.

#Not Gran Turismo. If this was GT 7, the score would've been at least a 10/10 subtitled "Triumphant Return!" or "Return of the King!" "Real A.I. in GT...Best GT Ever...Perfect!" etc., etc.

I get the sense the reviewer didnt score the game at all. The review itself was great. If I didnt see a number i would have guessed it would have scored a 9. It seems like the final number was just slapped on as an afterthought.

Im also puzzled that the reviewer can talk about replays but did not once mention customization which is a big draw for Forza.

console already has 3 Forza games...could knock off a point for fatigue

I much rather have 3 than 0.

I'm baffled as to why they made such a big deal about wet tracks.

It's not a new feature in racing games.

And??? Should I be one dimensional and brain dead fanboy like you?

ouch.

LOL cows still begging for a flop.

I think you guys should divert your attention back to begging for games.

Another dumb gamespot review. Happens with Playstation and Xbox games all the time.

Whats dumb about them?