FOX News on Mass Effect sex scene.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]I'm not sure who your quoting but, If Fox news can't get their info stright on a damn video game how can they do anything right?Pariah_001

But they weren't speaking solely about Mass Effect. They were talking about videogames in general. ME was just the spring board.

That's like a Marine saying that Iraq is a hell hole after coming back from duty there, and a Doctor that watch a 30 second sound bite about Iraqs safer provence claming that it is indeed a very safe place now. Then a news castor saying "I'll have to go with the doctor on this one".

Thats absurd.

Growing teenager and young kids are much more emotionally influencable than adults set in their ways.real45

How is the hate irrational? It's a national news channel. As such they have some responsiblity. It's unfathomable to me how a network could air rubbish like this. They're misrepesenting the game, they don't bother checking their facts before attacking it with blatant lies. "Sexbox?" "shows full digital nudity and sex"? "leaving nothing to the imagination"? "engage in graphic sex" "marketed to kids"? What kind of sensationalistic garbage is that? Is it to much to ask for the host to not reiterate lies from another ignorant persons blog? Is it too much to ask they do some factchecking? It's supposed to be a news channel reporting facts to the public isn't it?

The panelist said that crap. Not the network. As far as irrational: I'm seeing a lot of people who're simply saying, "It's Fox, what do you expect?" Like NBC, CNN, or CBS are anything to compare by. Fox actually bothered to cover a lot of the stories they were to scared to approach without offending their viewer-base.

I freely admit that the panelist system allows for a lot of imbalanced opinions, but it's not like anyone else has been able to optimize the system anyway.

They're simply getting a bad rap. A lot of the comments directed at Fox in general, and not just at this story, are unfair.

And how about getting a knowledgable person to debate the "issue" rather than some feminist author who hasn't even played the game, wrongfully assumes that it objectifies women, that you can only play as a man, and thinks games are only for kids when in fact the average age of a gamer is as high as 33. If you're ignorant of a topic you have no business debating it on national TV. ..or spewing unsubstantiated claims and baseless accusations rather. The host should have some insight on the topic as well I reckon...

That much I agree with. They didn't actually look at the game they used an example. The only thing I want to point out though is that ME was just a springboard for a bigger discussion about sex in games in general.

Another thing is that the pro-gaming side was largely ignored. Microsoft's statement regarding parental controls was quickly disregarded and no one listened to what Geoff was saying. There wasn't much of a debate really. She already had her ignorant preconceived notion set and wouldn't budge. "The game's portrayal of women as objects will influence the behavior of young boys."

The panel at the end was quite pointless too. Would've made more sense to let the debate run on rather than to hear a bunch of clueless people trying to discuss an issue they knew nothing about.

A factual report on this issue would be one that doesn't exit, because there is no issue.

I agree with this as well, but the panelist's comment wasn't totally without merit. Because sex is commercialized ad nauseum in modern American media, it's much more possible that sex in videogames will produce Van Wilders and Stiflers as oposed to Dahmers and Gacys.

I absolutely did not see any full frontal nudity or nipples!!!! real45

:( I'm still trying to find out where I can buy this sexbox?

The human consiousness is thoroughly based on emotions. True? Pictures,sounds,touch,taste,smell,thoughts are connected to emotions. They are generally two emotions, Good and bad!? When u feel more good about slashing people and cutting off heads in a videogame than u feel good about not doing it. How does it translate to real life. Some people feel so good about seeing blood and killing people in a videogame.That is something in real life we should be appauled about. Not all videogames are bad but not all perons are able to controll their emotions to the same extent in real life. Growing teenager and young kids are much more emotionally influencable than adults set in their ways.real45

Uh....I don't know what that has to do with what I said, but I'll roll with it.

Your point is well taken, but you have to keep in mind that society shuns violence all the while glorifying sex in the media. Considering kids live in a society that inhibits their ability to do harm to people but encourages them to have sex, it's a lot more likely that Liesure Suit Larry will produce a pervert than it is that God of War will produce a mass murderer.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]I'm not sure who your quoting but, If Fox news can't get their info stright on a damn video game how can they do anything right?real45

But they weren't speaking solely about Mass Effect. They were talking about videogames in general. ME was just the spring board.

The human consiousness is thoroughly based on emotions. True? Pictures,sounds,touch,taste,smell,thoughts are connected to emotions. They are generally two emotions, Good and bad!? When u feel more good about slashing people and cutting off heads in a videogame than u feel good about not doing it. How does it translate to real life. Some people feel so good about seeing blood and killing people in a videogame.That is something in real life we should be appauled about. Not all videogames are bad but not all perons are able to controll their emotions to the same extent in real life. Growing teenager and young kids are much more emotionally influencable than adults set in their ways.

How is the hate irrational? It's a national news channel. As such they have some responsiblity. It's unfathomable to me how a network could air rubbish like this. They're misrepesenting the game, they don't bother checking their facts before attacking it with blatant lies. "Sexbox?" "shows full digital nudity and sex"? "leaving nothing to the imagination"? "engage in graphic sex" "marketed to kids"? What kind of sensationalistic garbage is that? Is it to much to ask for the host to not reiterate lies from another ignorant persons blog? Is it too much to ask they do some factchecking? It's supposed to be a news channel reporting facts to the public isn't it?

The panelist said that crap. Not the network. As far as irrational: I'm seeing a lot of people who're simply saying, "It's Fox, what do you expect?" Like NBC, CNN, or CBS are anything to compare by. Fox actually bothered to cover a lot of the stories they were to scared to approach without offending their viewer-base.

I freely admit that the panelist system allows for a lot of imbalanced opinions, but it's not like anyone else has been able to optimize the system anyway.

They're simply getting a bad rap. A lot of the comments directed at Fox in general, and not just at this story, are unfair.

And how about getting a knowledgable person to debate the "issue" rather than some feminist author who hasn't even played the game, wrongfully assumes that it objectifies women, that you can only play as a man, and thinks games are only for kids when in fact the average age of a gamer is as high as 33. If you're ignorant of a topic you have no business debating it on national TV. ..or spewing unsubstantiated claims and baseless accusations rather. The host should have some insight on the topic as well I reckon...

That much I agree with. They didn't actually look at the game they used an example. The only thing I want to point out though is that ME was just a springboard for a bigger discussion about sex in games in general.

Another thing is that the pro-gaming side was largely ignored. Microsoft's statement regarding parental controls was quickly disregarded and no one listened to what Geoff was saying. There wasn't much of a debate really. She already had her ignorant preconceived notion set and wouldn't budge. "The game's portrayal of women as objects will influence the behavior of young boys."

The panel at the end was quite pointless too. Would've made more sense to let the debate run on rather than to hear a bunch of clueless people trying to discuss an issue they knew nothing about.

A factual report on this issue would be one that doesn't exit, because there is no issue.

I agree with this as well, but the panelist's comment wasn't totally without merit. Because sex is commercialized ad nauseum in modern American media, it's much more possible that sex in videogames will produce Van Wilders and Stiflers as oposed to Dahmers and Gacys.

Pariah_001

Sorry but everyone who is informed knows about Fox and their agenda. They are owned by rupert murdoch and they have a republican HEAVY slant on just about most if not all their programs and broadcasts etc...

I don't claim all news programs to be great but Fox is one that is just down right bias to the point that's it's WAY more than just a normal human bias, it's bought and paid for and hired that way.

If you don't see that, sorry but that's how it is.

But I'm sure many news programs as well would have this dumb of a rant. It's just thant Fox has done this MANY times, not listening to the problem and actually studying what the product or issue or etc...

Mnay news programs will do this but Fox is infamous for this and other things and for not hearing anything else than what they wanna sell you or preach to you.

And that debbie does dallas remark man... I would have walked of the set when hearing that kind of crap. I also love when he asks the woman if she played it she gave this no in a way that says I would never play such filth. Which is what's wrong with so much of North America. You can't save the world or raise people right by closing everything down you don't agree with or don't understand or even if it is harmful like San Andreas can be.

The answer is parenting, which it seems is so hard to do as people let entertainment baby sit their kids and then blame entertainment when things go wrong because they don't want the world to know how bad a parent they really are.

Like those mothers on Maury Povich and the weird daughters that wanna have 10 babies and sleep with the world at a young age. I love how no one questions the parents. Kids just don't turn out that way for no reason. I know sometimes the parents are working many jobs and can't raise their kids cause they don't have the time but that is NOT the story for everyone of these situations just like it isn't with games or entertainment as a whole. It's easier to point the blame then it is to accept your mistakes and deal with them

does anyone even take FOX news seriously anymore? It's run and anchored by a bunch of close-minded bigots with inflated opinions of self-significance but when at comes down to actually reporting news, they prove to be incompetent, uninformed, fools who make no effort to see both sides of an argument, but rather attempt to degrade and belittle their opposition.

Basically, they are text-book examples of d-bags, and thus, every last one of their opinions should be disregarded and probably laughed at.

/rant

But that's just it. She was siding with the (SO CALLED) expert over someone who actually played the game.Shattered007

I know. But I think he thought they were going to be talking about Mass Effect only and then it went into sex in videogames in general. That's what I meant by "spring-board." My point is that they weren't talking about the game after the first couple statements. I guess he may have been blind-sided, but he should have expected that it was the industry itself that would be under scrutiny rather than just that one game.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]But that's just it. She was siding with the (SO CALLED) expert over someone who actually played the game.Pariah_001

I know. But I think he thought they were going to be talking about Mass Effect only and then it went into sex in videogames in general. That's what I meant by "spring-board." My point is that they weren't talking about the game after the first couple statements. I guess he may have been blind-sided, but he should have expected that it was the industry itself that would be under scrutiny rather than just that one game.

In the UK this game is rated 12.

Fox News makes the world a scarier place.

Sorry but everyone who is informed knows about Fox and their agenda. They are owned by rupert murdoch and they have a republican HEAVY slant on just about most if not all their programs and broadcasts etc...

So what? There are a couple people on this board who are 360 users, but if they state themselves well enough and fairly enough, I'll listen to them. I mean, Fox is right-wing. Big deal. NBC, CNN, and CBS are all leftists. That's no reason to denigrate any of them.

Having a slant is not the same as being unfair. Every network has panels, which is perfectly fine. The reason I favor Fox over the others however is because they don't do selective reporting. I don't agree with NBC or CNN's opinion on the government and the world either but the main reason I don't watch them is because they refuse to cover stories that have to do with Gaza or Isreal or Russia or the war. Fox has covered all of these plus the stories the others cover. Whether or not they have a spin is irrelevent to me--They all have a spin and a certain POV.

I don't claim all news programs to be great but Fox is one that is just down right bias to the point that's it's WAY more than just a normal human bias, it's bought and paid for and hired that way.

If you don't see that, sorry but that's how it is.

But I'm sure many news programs as well would have this dumb of a rant. It's just thant Fox has done this MANY times, not listening to the problem and actually studying what the product or issue or etc...

Mnay news programs will do this but Fox is infamous for this and other things and for not hearing anything else than what they wanna sell you or preach to you.

This is just the same recycled attitude from other parts of this thread.

Well if they can't find a game to support their claims they don't really have a point.
I wouldn't be surprised if they missinformed him. It was obvious he was only there to be owned, but he kept his cool.
KungfuKitten

I already mentioned Liesure Suit Larry. And I don't think he was meant as fodder.

The reason I favor Fox over the others however is because they don't do selective reporting.Pariah_001

Sorry but everyone who is informed knows about Fox and their agenda. They are owned by rupert murdoch and they have a republican HEAVY slant on just about most if not all their programs and broadcasts etc...

So what? There are a couple people on this board who are 360 users, but if they state themselves well enough and fairly enough, I'll listen to them. I mean, Fox is right-wing. Big deal. NBC, CNN, and CBS are all leftists. That's no reason to denigrate any of them.

Having a slant is not the same as being unfair. Every network has panels, which is perfectly fine. The reason I favor Fox over the others however is because they don't do selective reporting. I don't agree with NBC or CNN's opinion on the government and the world either but the main reason I don't watch them is because they refuse to cover stories that have to do with Gaza or Isreal or Russia or the war. Fox has covered all of these plus the stories the others cover. Whether or not they have a spin is irrelevent to me--They all have a spin and a certain POV.

I don't claim all news programs to be great but Fox is one that is just down right bias to the point that's it's WAY more than just a normal human bias, it's bought and paid for and hired that way.

If you don't see that, sorry but that's how it is.

But I'm sure many news programs as well would have this dumb of a rant. It's just thant Fox has done this MANY times, not listening to the problem and actually studying what the product or issue or etc...

Mnay news programs will do this but Fox is infamous for this and other things and for not hearing anything else than what they wanna sell you or preach to you.

This is just the same recycled attitude from other parts of this thread.

Pariah_001

Dude think what you want, I'm not gonna bother argue talking about Fox. That's like arguing over the Jack Thompson being who we all know he is to be that common sense and your eyes tell you or that it's all just attitude from us like you say. Believe what you want, fact is, Fox News is corrupt and has an agenda and nothing you say can alter that fact sorry.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]Well if they can't find a game to support their claims they don't really have a point.
I wouldn't be surprised if they missinformed him. It was obvious he was only there to be owned, but he kept his cool.
Pariah_001

I already mentioned Liesure Suit Larry. And I don't think he was meant as fodder.

Are you sure about that?Jandurin

Yes. As I pointed out, they covered stories that NBC et al plain refused to.

Believe what you want, fact is, Fox News is corrupt and has an agenda and nothing you say can alter that fact sorry.kcpp2b

Not fact. Opinion. Yours.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] Are you sure about that?Pariah_001

Yes. As I pointed out, they covered stories that NBC et al plain refused to.

Then they should have brought up the immersive Leisure Suit Larry, the comedy adventure instead of Mass Effect. It's a good thing he told them how it is, as they weren't treating the subject serious while making very serious claims.KungfuKitten

LLL wasn't the more recent example of sexuality in videogames. But as I said, I acknowledge that Mass effect didn't deserve that kind of scrutiny and that its citation should have been lighter.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that he was fodder, but it may be the way Fox News always presents their debates. I'm not used to cutting people off so early and not going into what they say. But i don't know Fox News at all. It may just be standard.

Like I said, he had a lot more to say because his side of the argument was more complicated. Panelists have to be cut off eventually--Fox doesn't have a monopoly on cutting people off.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

It's cool to hate Fox News afterall they do get the best ratings...STUPID liberals...

I do not agree with them on this issue, but just cause they annoy you cause they don't fall in line perfectly with your political views like all the liberal media news channels doesn't mean you have to hate on them. I could pwn the HELL out of CBS,ABC, or BBC news for that matter about media bias against Republicans/Conservatives.

samusarmada

its not the fact that they dont agree it the fact that they are so wrong in their ideas about mass effect.

The psychologist hadnt even played the games, she made up crap about how you could sleep with all these different women in the game, how it was like a porn film and how the female characters in the game are presented in only a sexual sense. I mean wtf!? she didnt even know you could play as a women.

The game guy on the other side corrected her on every issue, but Fox still seemed to side with the psychologist, the phychologist then told us about a study that apparantly says that those who play videogames cannot distinguish well enough between the virtual and the reality. Surely you must take offence to that.

The worst thing was that the panel of people who were then interviewed believed the psychologists story over the game critic. one woman questioned why couldnt mass effect be given an AO rating. Just based off this sex scene which is rated "12" in the UK. Another guy said that he wouldnt allow mass effect in his house now that he had heard this, and well... I didnt get any further I was too disgusted to watch any more.

I said I disagree with how Fox News handled this. That is coming from a gamer's stand point. You must realize that Fox News was reporting that news to a certain audience. That audience being adults who have teenaged kids. They took the conservative viewpoint on that issue and honestly if I was a parent I would be extremely concerned about the video games and movies my kids watch. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this point of view.

The reason that MOST Liberals/Democrats hate Fox News is cause they do not pander to their prefered party like MOST of the other news stations do. My question is this...If you do not trust Fox News to report the news then where would you go to get your news? With what I know about ABC, CBS, and BBC news I know that I cannot rely on them to report unbiased political news so who do I turn to? The only thing I can come up with is MSNBC or CNN. I have yet to pick up on too much bias there. Occasionally CNN will let something slip every once in a while one way or another, but as far as I can tell those 2 seem to be the best as far as fairness is concerned.

Honestly though for political news you really can't trust any one of the major news channels cause they are all backed by huge companies who have very distinct political agendas. The only reason I watch Fox News is cause they give me political news that Liberals don't want the public at large to see. I also listen to Boortz and Hannity on occasion as well. As much as libs don't like it those two men bring to light ALOT of Democrat hipocracy and scandals. They are quick to bust on Republicans too especially Neal Boortz.

So, because they covered something NBC wouldn't, they cover everything?Jandurin

It's not just one instance. It's mutiple ones. But yes, NBC's decision to ignore stories does show a pattern of selective reporting. A few months ago, they finally decided to start talking about Gaza, going over the Israeli occupation. They were a little late but fine.

Fox, on the other hand, covered the occupation, their reason for being there, interviews with the citizens, and talking about the militants launching missiles from the strip. Not only do they keep people up to date on the situation, but they're also way more thorough.

Fox wasn't afraid of talking about Isreal and their reasons for being there. NBC was scared ****less.

Fox News haters, please keep your hate for Fox News to yourselves. This is about one group of people talking about Mass Effect - any news team would say "Omg little boys are having sex on Mass Effect!" in order to keep people tuned in for a few more minutes.

The fact is that these people were not stating any facts at all, and they said that themselves (by saying they had NEVER played the game), and they were just misrepresenting what is a great game. The guy from Spike TV was extremely accurate in saying that the sex is an OPTIONAL 2 minutes of a 30+ hour game... anyone who had seen that interview would think that Mass Effect was just a virtual sex RPG where that is not the case. In fact, and I know that this has no effect on anyone else but is interesting to me, three of my friends who own Mass Effect had no idea there was sex in the game until I mentioned it in a conversation (they asked why the box said partial nudity).

Fox News, and I'm sure everyone else who just wants to stir up some anger, just saw the "Nudity" sticker on the back, had no terrorism news to talk about, and decided they would spend 5 minutes to talk about something they had no facts about. It's sad that parents would have seen this and taken that lady's advice when she said "I will not let Mass Effect into my house." Ridiculous... (and again, this one episode does not give you more fuel for the "I hate Fox News" fire... many news outlets have said this, so it's not just them.)

Fox News haters, please keep your hate for Fox News to yourselves. This is about one group of people talking about Mass Effect - any news team would say "Omg little boys are having sex on Mass Effect!" in order to keep people tuned in for a few more minutes.

The fact is that these people were not stating any facts at all, and they said that themselves (by saying they had NEVER played the game), and they were just misrepresenting what is a great game. The guy from Spike TV was extremely accurate in saying that the sex is an OPTIONAL 2 minutes of a 30+ hour game... anyone who had seen that interview would think that Mass Effect was just a virtual sex RPG where that is not the case. In fact, and I know that this has no effect on anyone else but is interesting to me, three of my friends who own Mass Effect had no idea there was sex in the game until I mentioned it in a conversation (they asked why the box said partial nudity).

Fox News, and I'm sure everyone else who just wants to stir up some anger, just saw the "Nudity" sticker on the back, had no terrorism news to talk about, and decided they would spend 5 minutes to talk about something they had no facts about. It's sad that parents would have seen this and taken that lady's advice when she said "I will not let Mass Effect into my house." Ridiculous... (and again, this one episode does not give you more fuel for the "I hate Fox News" fire... many news outlets have said this, so it's not just them.)

ParkCarsHere

First the Townhall fool, now this.

Forget the idea that the game presents some morally perplexing decisions. Nevermind the notion that in order to get to the love scene, you have to work at the relationship by talking to the person at length and treating them nicely. The female characters are depicted as very empowered, with strong personanlities. And yet this panel has got it in their minds that the game is a mindless sex simulator that's degrading to women.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, because they covered something NBC wouldn't, they cover everything?Pariah_001

It's not just one instance. It's mutiple ones. But yes, NBC's decision to ignore stories does show a pattern of selective reporting. A few months ago, they finally decided to start talking about Gaza, going over the Israeli occupation. They were a little late but fine.

Fox, on the other hand, covered the occupation, their reason for being there, interviews with the citizens, and talking about the militants launching missiles from the strip. Not only do they keep people up to date on the situation, but they're also way more thorough.

Fox wasn't afraid of talking about Isreal and their reasons for being there. NBC was scared ****less.

You had me ROLFing for saying all other media outlets are "leftists"(in your previous posts). There is an obvious disconnect here. Compared to the rest of the world, America doesn't have a "leftist" party, the closest being the Green party which is all but non-existent in this country. I don't think Disney(ABC), CBS Corp/Viacom (CBS), Time Warner(CNN), Vivendi Universal/GE (NBC), are leftist, not by a long shot. What they are is corporate, meaning their interests are the same as the huge conglomerates that own them, MONEY. Journalists might lean to the left in majority, but they don't get to control the agenda of a bureau, the editors/management do. There is no Investigative Journalism in this country, it's pathetic. These conglomerates are in the business for ratings. The difference with Fox is that it MAKES their purpose to bury every other outlet as "leftist" and directly markets to a right wing audience, the others don't make it their purpose. This has always been Fox's appeal, especially during the later years of the Clinton Administration when Fox started to gain popularity.

What is it with american tv and government appointing people to be the authority on things they know nothing about? The guy who regulates the internet thinks it's a series of tubes, and here we have a panel of people debating video games, none of whom have the slightest shred of knowledge regarding the topic they're debating.

I mean, if there was any justice here, that pathetic excuse for a journalist should have been absolutely ripped apart by her plain-dumb comments of "oh you're playing as a man treating women as objects...."

"You can play as a woman you stupid *****"

But no... they just glossed over the fact that she got that so wrong.

Fox News haters, please keep your hate for Fox News to yourselves. This is about one group of people talking about Mass Effect - any news team would say "Omg little boys are having sex on Mass Effect!" in order to keep people tuned in for a few more minutes.

The fact is that these people were not stating any facts at all, and they said that themselves (by saying they had NEVER played the game), and they were just misrepresenting what is a great game. The guy from Spike TV was extremely accurate in saying that the sex is an OPTIONAL 2 minutes of a 30+ hour game... anyone who had seen that interview would think that Mass Effect was just a virtual sex RPG where that is not the case. In fact, and I know that this has no effect on anyone else but is interesting to me, three of my friends who own Mass Effect had no idea there was sex in the game until I mentioned it in a conversation (they asked why the box said partial nudity).

Fox News, and I'm sure everyone else who just wants to stir up some anger, just saw the "Nudity" sticker on the back, had no terrorism news to talk about, and decided they would spend 5 minutes to talk about something they had no facts about. It's sad that parents would have seen this and taken that lady's advice when she said "I will not let Mass Effect into my house." Ridiculous... (and again, this one episode does not give you more fuel for the "I hate Fox News" fire... many news outlets have said this, so it's not just them.)

ParkCarsHere

They're notorious for fear-mongering, misrepresentation and selective disclose of facts. All news networks have their downsides, but Fox in particular makes me feel like i'm gradually getting dumber.

What is it with american tv and government appointing people to be the authority on things they know nothing about? The guy who regulates the internet thinks it's a series of tubes, and here we have a panel of people debating video games, none of whom have the slightest shred of knowledge regarding the topic they're debating.

I mean, if there was any justice here, that pathetic excuse for a journalist should have been absolutely ripped apart by her plain-dumb comments of "oh you're playing as a man treating women as objects...."

"You can play as a woman you stupid *****"

But no... they just glossed over the fact that she got that so wrong.

Ninja-Vox

Don't forget that the one who said "it should have gotten an AO rating" basically smacked the ESRB in the face. The ESRB scrutinizes the smallest detail of all parts of the games it rates. they spend hours upon hours judging a game's content. they don't just watch clips of it, because they know you cannot get a full picture of a game unless you watch the whole thing played out over someone's shoulder at the very least. for that person to say they could judge the game more accuratly based on less than a minute of footage is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. they think they are better than the ESRB at rating a game? ridiculous.

I can't believe how digusting that video was. How can a news channel be so ignorant and flat out wrong. NONE of them played the game NONE. But they criticize the developers, the people who plays it, and gamers as a whole. They deserve to be fired seriously. False advertising FTL. Mass effect isn't anywhere near a prono game. Are these people even gamers? They act like there experts on gaming but don't even know half of it.

I mean the game is rated Mature that means 17 & up. No kid can get there hands on this game without adult consent. Mass effect doesn't even show anything I've seen worse stuff in my Health Class. Any teenager could by a rated R movie that actually has full nudity and softcore sex easily. But the teenager can't buy a game that's rated M because they need a ID and for what 1 second of ass? Seriously that was the worse news i've ever seen that station needs to be shut down. Telling me I don't have the intelligence to tell something virtual to the real thing WTF.

P.S. None of them PLAYED THE GAME so WHY are they TALKING about it? WHY?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

What is it with american tv and government appointing people to be the authority on things they know nothing about? The guy who regulates the internet thinks it's a series of tubes, and here we have a panel of people debating video games, none of whom have the slightest shred of knowledge regarding the topic they're debating.

I mean, if there was any justice here, that pathetic excuse for a journalist should have been absolutely ripped apart by her plain-dumb comments of "oh you're playing as a man treating women as objects...."

"You can play as a woman you stupid *****"

But no... they just glossed over the fact that she got that so wrong.

Mordred19

Don't forget that the one who said "it should have gotten an AO rating" basically smacked the ESRB in the face. The ESRB scrutinizes the smallest detail of all parts of the games it rates. they spend hours upon hours judging a game's content. they don't just watch clips of it, because they know you cannot get a full picture of a game unless you watch the whole thing played out over someone's shoulder at the very least. for that person to say they could judge the game more accuratly based on less than a minute of footage is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. they think they are better than the ESRB at rating a game? ridiculous.

Heh... I completely agree with you. The person who said it should have an AO rating made fun of the ESRB for giving it an M rating... saying that they were stupid (not those words, but that's what he meant. The ESRB, if anything, is very strict with their ratings and lean on the high side... if a game is ANYTHING above a T rating, it's automatically an M. It's safer on their part anyways... keeps them out of trouble. Should Mass Effect be AO? Of course not. I think it could even make a T rating, although I haven't fully completed the game (yes, I got past the sex scene) yet, but an M is very reasonable.

Either way, Fox News, or any news outlet for that matter, should not be talking about something they know nothing about, as was clear when they all said they had NEVER PLAYED THE GAME.

You had me ROLFing for saying all other media outlets are "leftists"(in your previous posts). There is an obvious disconnect here. Compared to the rest of the world, America doesn't have a "leftist" party, the closest being the Green party which is all but non-existent in this country. I don't think Disney(ABC), CBS Corp/Viacom (CBS), Time Warner(CNN), Vivendi Universal/GE (NBC), are leftist, not by a long shot. What they are is corporate, meaning their interests are the same as the huge conglomerates that own them, MONEY. Journalists might lean to the left in majority, but they don't get to control the agenda of a bureau, the editors/management do. There is no Investigative Journalism in this country, it's pathetic. These conglomerates are in the business for ratings. The difference with Fox is that it MAKES their purpose to bury every other outlet as "leftist" and directly markets to a right wing audience, the others don't make it their purpose. This has always been Fox's appeal, especially during the later years of the Clinton Administration when Fox started to gain popularity. mismajor99

How much did you donate to the Clinton campaign again?

How is the hate irrational? It's a national news channel. As such they have some responsiblity. It's unfathomable to me how a network could air rubbish like this. They're misrepesenting the game, they don't bother checking their facts before attacking it with blatant lies. "Sexbox?" "shows full digital nudity and sex"? "leaving nothing to the imagination"? "engage in graphic sex" "marketed to kids"? What kind of sensationalistic garbage is that? Is it to much to ask for the host to not reiterate lies from another ignorant persons blog? Is it too much to ask they do some factchecking? It's supposed to be a news channel reporting facts to the public isn't it?

The panelist said that crap. Not the network. As far as irrational: I'm seeing a lot of people who're simply saying, "It's Fox, what do you expect?" Like NBC, CNN, or CBS are anything to compare by. Fox actually bothered to cover a lot of the stories they were to scared to approach without offending their viewer-base.

Actually, the blurb visible on-screen during the entire sgement said that. And the host. They lied about and misrepresented the game for some reason. What that reason is I don't know and I don't really care, the main point is that they did. I'm not gonna pretend to know the various affiliations and biases of American TV networks, because as a European I'm quite ignorant of that subject. But to me it's obvious that a network willing to air segments like this can't have too much integrity or crediblity. And it certainly deserves to be called out for BS like it.

I freely admit that the panelist system allows for a lot of imbalanced opinions, but it's not like anyone else has been able to optimize the system anyway.

Well one suggestion would be to take a look at their credentials. Author of The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace with Your Inner Overachiever; Been There, Done That, Kept the Jewelry; The Fixer-upper Man: Turn Mr. Maybe into Mr. Right in 5 Easy Steps; -and Cosmo Girl's Quiz Book: All About Guys. Or someone who might actually have some expertise in the subject matter? It's pretty obvious by their choice of participant that they weren't particularly interested in conducting a proper debate, but rather some sort of poopy mess. But then again, that's obvious enough by the fact that this story even exists.

They're simply getting a bad rap. A lot of the comments directed at Fox in general, and not just at this story, are unfair.

And how about getting a knowledgable person to debate the "issue" rather than some feminist author who hasn't even played the game, wrongfully assumes that it objectifies women, that you can only play as a man, and thinks games are only for kids when in fact the average age of a gamer is as high as 33. If you're ignorant of a topic you have no business debating it on national TV. ..or spewing unsubstantiated claims and baseless accusations rather. The host should have some insight on the topic as well I reckon...

That much I agree with. They didn't actually look at the game they used an example. The only thing I want to point out though is that ME was just a springboard for a bigger discussion about sex in games in general.

I don't really see that. The focus undeniably was on Mass Effect's digital sex and how it will doom us all to hell or whatnot.

Another thing is that the pro-gaming side was largely ignored. Microsoft's statement regarding parental controls was quickly disregarded and no one listened to what Geoff was saying. There wasn't much of a debate really. She already had her ignorant preconceived notion set and wouldn't budge. "The game's portrayal of women as objects will influence the behavior of young boys."

The panel at the end was quite pointless too. Would've made more sense to let the debate run on rather than to hear a bunch of clueless people trying to discuss an issue they knew nothing about.

A factual report on this issue would be one that doesn't exit, because there is no issue.

I agree with this as well, but the panelist's comment wasn't totally without merit. Because sex is commercialized ad nauseum in modern American media, it's much more possible that sex in videogames will produce Van Wilders and Stiflers as oposed to Dahmers and Gacys.

Pariah_001

I'd think the ad nauseam commercialization of sex in other forms of media would be more likely to influence kids, especially considering Mass Effect is first of all rated M, which limits the sales to minors. Secondly it's one of the incredibly few games dealing with the subject, and you need to follow a specific branch of the storyline for 15+ hours, frequently speaking to the character and learning more about him/her, forming a relationship, before getting to watch this like 40 second long cutscene containing sideboob and one asscrack. That and videogames don't reach as many people as other media. And what's in Mass Effect is most likely as far as games are gonna go, in the US anyway. If your game is slapped with an AO rating it won't sell.

Also, I think there's about as much chance of a game turning someone into partyboy as a serial killer. About zero. The media you watch and play might have some influence on your behavior, who knows, but it's not gonna wash away your personality and sense of morality. Brainwashing takes a little more effort than that.

Kids are more impressionable, but that's why we have rating systems right? And parents.

Heh. don't know if this is old. It never fails, this sort of stuff always happens when someone displeases the gaming community.InsaneBasura

HAHAHAHA

Good for her, I hope her book and her career becomes a gigantic joke like Jack Thompson pretty much is now...

Is the sex scene on Mass Effect Good?

Is the sex scene on Mass Effect Good?

AgentA-Mi6

All you see is a side of a boob and a side of a butt. It's PG-13 material and nothing more.

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Is the sex scene on Mass Effect Good?

BioShockOwnz

All you see is a side of a boob and a side of a butt. It's PG-13 material and nothing more.

I said I disagree with how Fox News handled this. That is coming from a gamer's stand point. You must realize that Fox News was reporting that news to a certain audience. That audience being adults who have teenaged kids. They took the conservative viewpoint on that issue and honestly if I was a parent I would be extremely concerned about the video games and movies my kids watch. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with this point of view.

MadExponent

If parent awareness was their message, wouldn't you say it'd be a better idea for them to present the parents with facts in order to help them make informed decisions? Let them know what the game actually does contain in regards to objectional content, how the ESRB ratings and the 360's parental controls work etc? Instead they chose to "OMG SEX IN GAMES HOW DISGUSTING SUCH SMUT FILTH DIGITAL DEVILRY! TURNS YOUR KIDS INTO ALIEN BRAINSLUGS!"

So I very much that potential sideffect would be intentional. Understanding something is preferable to fearing something. That was slightly philosophical, I'm proud of myself. Well done ol chap! *pats back*

she got owned by Geoff and thats sad

Q. Cooper have you ever played Mass Effect

A. *giggle* no

Credibility lost

stupidity at its finest

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]Heh. don't know if this is old. It never fails, this sort of stuff always happens when someone displeases the gaming community.kcpp2b

HAHAHAHA

Good for her, I hope her book and her career becomes a gigantic joke like Jack Thompson pretty much is now...

That is great. She is an idiot and that was obvious in that clip.