FPS experts, help me, your guys are my only hope

Note: this is not a consoles vs PC thread.

Okay, so I have a brother in law who likes to explain to me how games on console look more smoother because the FPS is locked at 30

So basically Witcher 3 on PS4 tends to run at about 26-30 fps in a huge majority of the game. My PC tends to run it at 40-55 at ultra.

Can the eye notice FPS when it drops between 45-55 or not? I thought the reason they cap FPS at 30 is because the brain cannot tell the difference in FPS between 30-60

Ah yes, bringing me back to the good old days when the human eye couldn't see more than 30 fps

I'm not saying you cannot see more than 30 FPS. I'm saying you cannot notice.

@Berserker1_5: why wouldn't you be able to notice it?

I know people who don't see the difference. I can though, because I play videogames like, you know, a gamer does. I'm all in that.

@lostrib: so you can tel the difference between a 25 FPS and 30fps? Or

30 and 40 ?

@lostrib: think this what we call a rhetorical question that serves no other purpose than to toot TC's own smug self absorbed horn

@freedomfreak: well it's not just games. People seem to be able to notice if a film or TV show is not running at the frame rate they're used to.

I came into this thread bringing all my First Person Shooting- expertise

:'(

@lostrib: I notice this with soap opera tv shows.

@freedomfreak: yeah it's because soap operas are recorded differently than film and have a different frame rate. And the smooth motion effect on new high refresh rate TVs is often referred to as the soap opera effect

@Berserker1_5: I don't think anyone could pin point a certain frame rate, but they could probably notice the difference

"super TV" I noticed this when my friend upped his TVs refresh rate, we tried watching Ghostbusters on his DVD player and everything felt like it was playing on 2x speed but it all in normal time, just the TVs refreshed rate was double, that was at his condo, I noticed at his parents house their living room TV did the same (must run in the family), I noticed at Best Buy too they do this for their TV demos and I think it looks awful for starters and is deceptive

I think people notice the difference between 30fps and 60fps easy, what tehy can't tell are those minor framerate drops like from 60fps to say 55 fps, people need those Digital Foundry framerate and frame-time counters to quantify this stuff, I think when stuff starts to slide under 30 it's much more pronounced

there's also an issue I've heard with the idea of frame pacing vs frame rate... not quite sure what that means exactly but I've sometimes read some perceived framerate issues are really frame pacing issues and the two often get conflated

This threaded ended up having nothing to do with FPS.

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Play Halo 5, and then Play Destiny and tell me you dont see the difference, jumping that quickly from those two games will make Destiny unplayable for the first 15 or 20 mins.

Games and media running at 30 fps get a dreamy feeling when it comes to the motion, movies use this because it allows you to not distinguish between what is real and what is cg. When games use 30 fps it is counter productive, they should always make the frame rate as high as possible because it allows the game to feel natural with the movements and response times.

@lostrib: ...or it's called "kitchen sink realism"

You might not see the difference between 45 and 55

but you will see the difference between 45 and 26. 45 and 30 will be harder because 30 is that magic number when things are gettings smoother.

However then it will have to stick at 30 the whole time, so no dips and for that the system needs to be able to output the game at much higher framerates, something like 45 - 55...

So no, your brother in law is in wrong, the 30 fps cap on consoles for games like the witcher 3 is a joke. the game dips a lot into the mid and high twenties sometimes even lower and that's just worlds apart from 45-55.

@commander: Apparently a lot of ppl don't seem to not notice enough in TW3....and I'm one of them.

Been playing for the passed few days and I'm loving it. Can't say that I care or not if it's in 60fps. Same with Destiny.

I personally think theres a different feel to console 30fps and PC 30fps. I admit to noticing it quite obviously on PC. But on the PS4....I really don't. I don't know why that is...and thats not really a knock of some sort. I dunno....maybe it's b/c the method of control is more responsive on PC with a KB/M than on console and controller.

The human eye can't see past 30fps and anything beyond that feels "too real". Just like 1080p vs 1440/4k is barely anything noticeable where as 900p vs 1080p is generations apart.

I am no fps expert but I tried this with Metal Gear Solid 5 capping it at 30 and then putting it back to 60 and there definitely was a difference, 30 fps felt slower. also to note the way i see it you might feel a difference if your eyes are accustom to 30 fps kinda like a person going from 720p to 1080p but this is just my opinion.

Tell your brother in law that he has garbage eyes.

If we couldn't tell the difference, then why would they bother rendering at 60 FPS in the first place?

Here's a great website where you can compare and see the differences:
https://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

Your brother in law is right in that games lock at a specific frame rate because it looks smoother than something that changes. It becomes more obvious when you go from one frame rate to another, rather than getting the brain used to something in particular and just going with it.

Anyone who says you can't notice frame rates above 30 is blind.... the reason 60fps is smoother? It's a higher frame rate... go figure huh?

@Berserker1_5: You can notice frame rate fluctuations for sure. It is easier to detect fluctuations at lower ranges of frame rate. If a game is running between 45-55fps and it fluctuates frequently, you may want to set a frame rate limit of 45fps. That way it will be consistent and appear smoother. If you are using a monitor that does not have G-Sync or FreeSync, you may notice screen tearing and additional judder because it is not running at the set refresh rate of the monitor. G-Sync and FreeSync eliminate screen tearing and alleviate judder because they match the monitor refresh rate to the frame rate of the game. So, it is never out of sync. Regardless, you should always aim for 60fps and above on all games for a good experience. 30fps is garbage and games on console only target 30fps because the console hardware is so bad.

So,144hz monitors are a huge ripoff?

The better the frame rate the less latency/response time there is.

Although saying that, sometimes a locked 30FPS is better than and unstable >30 frame rate because you can notice the fluctuations.

Playing an Arkham game at 60fps, is much better than 30fps. The combat is faster and everything is smoother.

That said, I don't play with in-between FPSs, I don't get good results if the frame is varying too much like 45fps. I just drop settings until I get a smooth 60fps. If I absolutely can not reach 60fps, I'll use Nvidias Adaptive (half) refresh rate to get a solid 30fps instead. But I've only had to do that in Arkham Knight.

Beer goggles I heard.

This is true, there can be differences about how it feel and look like between 30 fps during pc gaming vs console gaming, the reasons are :

1. Difference of distance between player's eyes from tv vs monitor

2. Difference of technology that is being actively used during gaming between tv vs monitor; some TVs could have their frame interpolation tech turned on which affect the way motion pictures being displayed, mainly would affect player's perception of smoothness despite the lack of raw frame rates count; monitors on the other hand usually do not have such tech, admitelly I don't know about the ulmb tech inside some gaming monitors but afaik it does not work like TVs frame interpolation

3. Difference on the type of games being played

4. Difference on the playable character control and camera control sensitivity being used

The humon eye

You can see the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps. You can see the difference between 60 fps and 120 fps as well.

30 fps isn't unplayable but 60 fps offer better, more fluid gameplay experience, which is better than 30 fps in every way possible.

Anyone who says otherwise is stupid or looking for excuses and making him look stupid in the process.

/thread.

There are a lot of words that come to mind when you describe the FPS experience on consoles. Smooth isn't one of them.

@Cloud_imperium: Such a pompous ass.

He aint wrong though.

Do you not agree with him? And if so, why not?

People have been able to see the difference between a 24 fps feature film and a 29.97 fps "soap opera" for decades.

And when you control the camera, the difference can only become more dramatic.

@naz99:

It's like he's implying that if you don't mind 30fps you're a stupid moron head that better like PC RIGHT NOW!!!!!

Thank you for reminding me why everyone treats you like an idiot. What I stated was a fact and what you wrote is full of shit.

@Cloud_imperium: Funny...I never said you were wrong.

For such a smartass you sure don't know your ass from a whole in the ground.

And this "everyone"....consists of a bunch of hermits on a forum? I can live with that.

"Whole in the ground". Learn to spell first.

"Bunch of hermits". Say whatever you want, dumb ass.

@mr_huggles_dog: "It's like he's implying that if you don't mind 30fps you're a stupid moron head that better like PC RIGHT NOW!!!!!"

Lol boy, your reading comprehension fucking blows

Locked 30fps can feel more smooth than fps that make big jumps up and down often, like 45-80fps.

@mems_1224: Whatever mems. We both know you don't care either way.

@Cloud_imperium: You would be a spelling nazi at 3:30 AM in the morning. Fucking 2001 and all in this forum.

@mr_huggles_dog: doesn't change the fact that you can't read. Nothing he said was incorrect.

@mems_1224:

Already addressed that.

Keep up or just let the adults talk.

@mr_huggles_dog: did you also address the fact that you cant read?

Huggles trying to talk about PC's and video game performance is comparable to a soccer mom trying to tell you how to rebuild your engine...

@nyadc: The arm chair psychiatrist is here....now the circle jerk is complete. It's awful that you represent PC gamers.

@mems_1224:I see you're avoiding. Good....good.

Trust me, when it comes to PC anything you want me arguing for you, not against you.