Free To Play, the next big advantage of PC gaming

[QUOTE="lowe0"]What does this bright F2P future have to offer a single-player fan like me?Jebus213

Can't wait to play Planetside 2 and also Tribes: Ascend is currently awesome.:D

yeah I've seen the free too play games on the pc...all require purchase of something to experience the fullness of the game otherwise there would be no reason to have them free to play these companies cannot make money that way.

P.S: the consoles can do free to play i would see just as easily...

yeah I've seen the free too play games on the pc...all require purchase of something to experience the fullness of the game otherwise there would be no reason to have them free to play these companies cannot make money that way.

P.S: the consoles can do free to play i would see just as easily...

WilliamRLBaker

Stick to the argument.lowe0

yeah I've seen the free too play games on the pc...all require purchase of something to experience the fullness of the game

WilliamRLBaker

yeah I've seen the free too play games on the pc...all require purchase of something to experience the fullness of the game otherwise there would be no reason to have them free to play these companies cannot make money that way.

P.S: the consoles can do free to play i would see just as easily...

WilliamRLBaker

someone clearly didnt read the OP and if consoles can do it so easily then why are their barely any?

Yeah, F2P was already a plus for a long time.

Used to play Gunbound and Ragnarok (was free) with friends along time ago. The former being an occassional blast and the latter quite terrible now that I think about it.

Seeing alot more production values in them as well as better designed service models. And, thanks to those, it's only recently where I have been dropping money in F2P games. I no longer play F2P games for the sake that it's F2P, I dont really want to leech off the system forever: I treat it like every other game, and treat the developer like every other developer, By supporting it.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Stick to the argument.skrat_01

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Stick to the argument.lowe0

@Wasdie: you could add some extra samples of the plethora of f2p games thart are arriving to PC in this 2012, as:

Mechwarrior Online, powered by the CryEngine 3, I was always a FASA fan (Mechwarrior/Battletech rules1) and their designs looks very promising:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechwarrior_Online

http://mwomercs.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bQkx0qKWYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgNfrsuiXgY

Warface, a fps developed by Crytek Seoul/Kiev also powered by the CryEngine 3:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warface

http://crytek.com/games/warface/overview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI65Q-RB5vw

Path Of Exile, a Diablo clone with an excellent technical department:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_Exile

http://www.pathofexile.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puhioIlUz0Q

Hawken, still not f2p confirmed but last rumors are pointing to; powered by UE3 with a superb artisticall design:

http://www.hawkengame.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwA03XsKzbY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVa7B1bLv8I&feature=related

...And the most importatn one, DOTA 2 (not f2p gauranteed, but if Valve wants to dethrone LoL is the only way to go):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dota_2

http://blog.dota2.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc0ASTbZFXM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Can73F3ZM

...Jus to add a few more.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

My favorite multiplayer game is free.

enemy territory

shakmaster13

yeah I've seen the free too play games on the pc...all require purchase of something to experience the fullness of the game otherwise there would be no reason to have them free to play these companies cannot make money that way.

P.S: the consoles can do free to play i would see just as easily...

WilliamRLBaker

Should mention Mechwarrior Online.

edit : someone beat me to it but still stands. BATTLEMECHS!!!!!!

oh, to add in some System Wars stirring, the best part is that the console lost the Battletech (the retarded Mech Assault 1 and 2) franchise to the PC lol. The IP is back to where it truly belongs :D

free to play = pay to winsavagetwinkie

You can't be that stupid....

right?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]free to play = pay to winChubbyGuy40

You can't be that stupid....

right?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]free to play = pay to winsavagetwinkie

You can't be that stupid....

right?

if you've bothered to play some of these games, most of them offer shortcut payment plans to get an edge on people that don't, that's how they sustain themselves, that and selling garbage like hats.savagetwinkie

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]if you've bothered to play some of these games, most of them offer shortcut payment plans to get an edge on people that don't, that's how they sustain themselves, that and selling garbage like hats.ChubbyGuy40

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

guy with the best looking hat wins the round *buys batman mask*lawlessx

You cannot defeat my soda-drinkin' hat.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]if you've bothered to play some of these games, most of them offer shortcut payment plans to get an edge on people that don't, that's how they sustain themselves, that and selling garbage like hats.ChubbyGuy40

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]if you've bothered to play some of these games, most of them offer shortcut payment plans to get an edge on people that don't, that's how they sustain themselves, that and selling garbage like hats.savagetwinkie

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

how do you know this? Have you researched the game's listed at all?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]if you've bothered to play some of these games, most of them offer shortcut payment plans to get an edge on people that don't, that's how they sustain themselves, that and selling garbage like hats.savagetwinkie

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

You pay $60 for that mega shooter then guess what down the road you gotta fork out $15 for new maps, and in free to play games they give that out for free

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Remind me again how selling cosmetics is pay to win?

lawlessx

how do you know this? Have you researched the game's listed at all?

and you know they absolutely won't?

this is the biggest problem with all f2p games and the only game that doesn't really follow this model wasn't originally free, and is owned by a company with their own distribution method, and they use this combo to give out free content for their games to give incentive for buyers to buy from them.

I'm not saying that these will definitely suck, but without a budget the games will likely be less refined as their $60 counter parts, with less development funding then they are going to need real incentives for user's to pay for things to get some cash flow in, these aren't people making 6/hr at McDonalds and wally world they want benefits!

I'd rather buy a game like bf3 which is extremely well made, has plenty of content, and the only thing they sell is more content.

savagetwinkie

That would draw players away from the games. These games are supported via advertisement and cosemetic shops. Take Tribes Ascend for example. Their previous game brought in far, far more money than it ever did being a paid/retail item by going F2P. Many MMOs that used to have a price tag, are now very sustainable and profitable because they went F2P.

Without a budget? These games aren't being made by people working for free. :| Just because a game is released at $60, doesn't mean it has anything to justify that $60 price. Price has never been a direct indication of quality.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

and you know they absolutely won't?

this is the biggest problem with all f2p games and the only game that doesn't really follow this model wasn't originally free, and is owned by a company with their own distribution method, and they use this combo to give out free content for their games to give incentive for buyers to buy from them.

I'm not saying that these will definitely suck, but without a budget the games will likely be less refined as their $60 counter parts, with less development funding then they are going to need real incentives for user's to pay for things to get some cash flow in, these aren't people making 6/hr at McDonalds and wally world they want benefits!

I'd rather buy a game like bf3 which is extremely well made, has plenty of content, and the only thing they sell is more content.

ChubbyGuy40

That would draw players away from the games. These games are supported via advertisement and cosemetic shops. Take Tribes Ascend for example. Their previous game brought in far, far more money than it ever did being a paid/retail item by going F2P. Many MMOs that used to have a price tag, are now very sustainable and profitable because they went F2P.

Without a budget? These games aren't being made by people working for free. :| Just because a game is released at $60, doesn't mean it has anything to justify that $60 price. Price has never been a direct indication of quality.

I never said the $60 game is always justifiable, but they definitely usually have better production values, regardless with investments they need a quicker return which is why there is an initial price tag, Id rather pay the initial price tag then have developers expect to nickel and dime customers every way they can to keep their job's. There is a big difference with f2p games, and tribes ascends offer's the ability to buy gear/skills, you can get a vip status that allows for a faster token rate. And free players just have to suffer until they play 100 in game hours to get a booster pack you paid 10 dollars for. **** that, give me a $60 game where everyone is released into the wild with the same experience gain, and fair play.

savagetwinkie

Production values? So you value presentation over the actual content?

You'd rather pay $60 for a mediocre game and then $10-15 map packs? Guess what, this may be shocking but...you don't have to pay a damn penny! Shocking, I know. Playing the game and having fun too much for you? Can't wait a few hours until you unlock a booster pack which just helps get those items faster? I didn't know playing the game and having fun meant suffering now. Fair play? It's still fair play. They aren't getting weapons with uber damage, insane firing rates, and invincibility.

Retail games are doing that today. MW3 gives you booster packs for buying other retail items like soda.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I never said the $60 game is always justifiable, but they definitely usually have better production values, regardless with investments they need a quicker return which is why there is an initial price tag, Id rather pay the initial price tag then have developers expect to nickel and dime customers every way they can to keep their job's. There is a big difference with f2p games, and tribes ascends offer's the ability to buy gear/skills, you can get a vip status that allows for a faster token rate. And free players just have to suffer until they play 100 in game hours to get a booster pack you paid 10 dollars for. **** that, give me a $60 game where everyone is released into the wild with the same experience gain, and fair play.

ChubbyGuy40

Production values? So you value presentation over the actual content?

You'd rather pay $60 for a mediocre game and then $10-15 map packs? Guess what, this may be shocking but...you don't have to pay a damn penny! Shocking, I know. Playing the game and having fun too much for you? Can't wait a few hours until you unlock a booster pack which just helps get those items faster? I didn't know playing the game and having fun meant suffering now. Fair play? It's still fair play. They aren't getting weapons with uber damage, insane firing rates, and invincibility.

Retail games are doing that today. MW3 gives you booster packs for buying other retail items like soda.

F2P games have become the biggest money makers in the iOS App Store, as ironic as it sounds.musicalmac

To add to that, those free to play Facebook games are some of the most profitable in the business.

Free to Play means shovelware to me. One day that might change. Maybe Tribes Ascend.nutcrackr

If you think any of those games I mentioned are shovelware, you're just being ignorant.

I'd rather spend $60 on a game I enjoy playing with clearly higher production values that has the costs upfront, versus a f2p game that turns everything into a grind unless you pay for the stupid shortcuts. This corners players that don't have much time to play into paying for things because they aren't playing as much. A game like bf3 kind of sucks when you're first starting out, but it's not hard to progress and the core gameplay is still solid to keep you coming back for more once everything is unlocked...

I don't like free to play games, I relate them to M$ points where the points are always designed to have leftovers. So buying a little more seems alright to get something. It's the same psychology behind f2p, you haven't paid anything yet but spending hundreds of hours grinding to unlock items and being at a disadvantage while you do it starts making those cheap micro transactions look worth it.

The only people these types of games really work for are kid's with no job's that have way too much time to play. So yah, I can afford to pay for a game, and enoy it, $60 for 12 hours of fun is definitly worth it to me, its $5/hr basically which is pretty cheap as far as entertainment goes. I've already played bf3 well over 200 hours, I don't regret it, I havn't had to pay for any map packs, and when they come out I'll gladly get them to extend such a great game.

savagetwinkie

So you rather play $60 for a game that plays itself and then map packs, rather than pay nothing at all and just enjoy the game. Another shocker for you. You don't have to unlock every, single item from a game. If you want to, then you have to put time into the game. That's how it is for any game.

Players like customization. They will pay dollar for a color change and some new logos. Considering the amount of content you usually get from those games, paying a few bucks is nothing.

They're meant for everyone. You can't generalize the audience in such a poor way. You just said you spent 200 hours on Battlefield 3. Why not spend 200 hours on a F2P MMO? You won't be anywhere close to being done. What you did in BF3 was no different than what you would do in another F2P game. Grind, grind, grind as you put it.

when I get a faster internet connection I will definitely try out one of the shooter games

when I get a faster internet connection I will definitely try out one of the shooter games

TheShadowLord07

They are all shoot games :P

It's what the PC guys call "variety".

Yeah we have our arena shooter, military shooter, simulation shooter, MOAB shooter, arcadey co-op shooter, the RPG/shooter combo... I could go on and on. There are hundreds of different types of shooters. It's crazy.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

when I get a faster internet connection I will definitely try out one of the shooter games

Wasdie

They are all shoot games :P

It's what the PC guys call "variety".

Yeah we have our arena shooter, military shooter, simulation shooter, MOAB shooter, arcadey co-op shooter, the RPG/shooter combo... I could go on and on. There are hundreds of different types of shooters. It's crazy.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]free to play = pay to winsavagetwinkie

You can't be that stupid....

right?

Also, free to play FPS >>>>>>> free to play MMORPG clones. I never had to deal with spamming from gold farmers!

Don't forget Blacklight: Retribution. This one will be F2P and looks amazing. Closed beta is going on right now. Get some keys from their site.

F2P

Pro:

-User Friendly and easier to access

-No need to use money

Con-

- Trolls/Scammers and real Money Trade [easier to create account] some banned easily but creating new account is easy too

- Online Market = Overpowered Items/Easy leveling up

all F2P MMORPG are aimed for grinding level that needed to use money to advance faster while FPS is more stylish with overpowered guns

How do these games make money?

People paying for cosmetic upgrades?

I spent an evening playing LoL it's good.

Glad to see Planetside coming back.

Planetside was the game that forced me to upgrade from dial-up, we were the last family on the block to have cable :-P

developer said free to play games cant be high quality lol

league of legends fits into the crappy ripoff category though, since thats exactly what it is.

f2p games are terrible.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I'd rather spend $60 on a game I enjoy playing with clearly higher production values that has the costs upfront, versus a f2p game that turns everything into a grind unless you pay for the stupid shortcuts. This corners players that don't have much time to play into paying for things because they aren't playing as much. A game like bf3 kind of sucks when you're first starting out, but it's not hard to progress and the core gameplay is still solid to keep you coming back for more once everything is unlocked...

I don't like free to play games, I relate them to M$ points where the points are always designed to have leftovers. So buying a little more seems alright to get something. It's the same psychology behind f2p, you haven't paid anything yet but spending hundreds of hours grinding to unlock items and being at a disadvantage while you do it starts making those cheap micro transactions look worth it.

The only people these types of games really work for are kid's with no job's that have way too much time to play. So yah, I can afford to pay for a game, and enoy it, $60 for 12 hours of fun is definitly worth it to me, its $5/hr basically which is pretty cheap as far as entertainment goes. I've already played bf3 well over 200 hours, I don't regret it, I havn't had to pay for any map packs, and when they come out I'll gladly get them to extend such a great game.

ChubbyGuy40

So you rather play $60 for a game that plays itself and then map packs, rather than pay nothing at all and just enjoy the game. Another shocker for you. You don't have to unlock every, single item from a game. If you want to, then you have to put time into the game. That's how it is for any game.

Players like customization. They will pay dollar for a color change and some new logos. Considering the amount of content you usually get from those games, paying a few bucks is nothing.

They're meant for everyone. You can't generalize the audience in such a poor way. You just said you spent 200 hours on Battlefield 3. Why not spend 200 hours on a F2P MMO? You won't be anywhere close to being done. What you did in BF3 was no different than what you would do in another F2P game. Grind, grind, grind as you put it.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

I'd rather spend $60 on a game I enjoy playing with clearly higher production values that has the costs upfront, versus a f2p game that turns everything into a grind unless you pay for the stupid shortcuts. This corners players that don't have much time to play into paying for things because they aren't playing as much. A game like bf3 kind of sucks when you're first starting out, but it's not hard to progress and the core gameplay is still solid to keep you coming back for more once everything is unlocked...

I don't like free to play games, I relate them to M$ points where the points are always designed to have leftovers. So buying a little more seems alright to get something. It's the same psychology behind f2p, you haven't paid anything yet but spending hundreds of hours grinding to unlock items and being at a disadvantage while you do it starts making those cheap micro transactions look worth it.

The only people these types of games really work for are kid's with no job's that have way too much time to play. So yah, I can afford to pay for a game, and enoy it, $60 for 12 hours of fun is definitly worth it to me, its $5/hr basically which is pretty cheap as far as entertainment goes. I've already played bf3 well over 200 hours, I don't regret it, I havn't had to pay for any map packs, and when they come out I'll gladly get them to extend such a great game.

ChubbyGuy40

So you rather play $60 for a game that plays itself and then map packs, rather than pay nothing at all and just enjoy the game. Another shocker for you. You don't have to unlock every, single item from a game. If you want to, then you have to put time into the game. That's how it is for any game.

Players like customization. They will pay dollar for a color change and some new logos. Considering the amount of content you usually get from those games, paying a few bucks is nothing.

They're meant for everyone. You can't generalize the audience in such a poor way. You just said you spent 200 hours on Battlefield 3. Why not spend 200 hours on a F2P MMO? You won't be anywhere close to being done. What you did in BF3 was no different than what you would do in another F2P game. Grind, grind, grind as you put it.