Free To Play, the next big advantage of PC gaming

If grinding sucks, why have it at all? Developers know it's not fun, since the most common promotional items are ways to avoid it (XP boosters, double XP weekends, unlock packs). F2P is just the natural evolution of the unlock systems that are already ruining games, where XP boosters become the revenue stream.

lowe0

is tribes multiplayer simlilar to halos multiplayer? I think someone mention it before

TheShadowLord07

Free to play , Pay to win.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

If grinding sucks, why have it at all? Developers know it's not fun, since the most common promotional items are ways to avoid it (XP boosters, double XP weekends, unlock packs). F2P is just the natural evolution of the unlock systems that are already ruining games, where XP boosters become the revenue stream.

skrat_01

What's the problem with BF3 unlock system?

I'm glad Free to Play games are abandoning the awful Pay to Win model. :D

(but meanwhile, at Blizzard studios...)

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]is tribes multiplayer simlilar to halos multiplayer? I think someone mention it before

cain006

It's a lot like skiing.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

If grinding sucks, why have it at all? Developers know it's not fun, since the most common promotional items are ways to avoid it (XP boosters, double XP weekends, unlock packs). F2P is just the natural evolution of the unlock systems that are already ruining games, where XP boosters become the revenue stream.

skrat_01

BF3's unlock system is fine. What don't you like about it?

It rewards you for using the weapon.

Spiral knights is a good FTP MMO.

I got addicted though :P

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

when I get a faster internet connection I will definitely try out one of the shooter games

TheShadowLord07

They are all shoot games :P

It's what the PC guys call "variety".

Yeah we have our arena shooter, military shooter, simulation shooter, MOAB shooter, arcadey co-op shooter, the RPG/shooter combo... I could go on and on. There are hundreds of different types of shooters. It's crazy.

Unless they changed Halo's gampelay to allow players to move at 150 km/h while skiing across the extremely open and hilly terrain. No, not at all. The color pallet and shaders are very similar to Halo though. It looks a lot like Halo but doesn't play like it at all.

Little off topic but I hate when the people who are making End of Nations call their game the first MMORTS when it isnt. Its the first F2P I've heard of but not the MMORTS.

Mankind is a space rts with over 900,000 colonizable planets dozens resourses, spaceships, city buildings, space stations, etc. It wasn't terrible to play until you got steamrolled by the developers trying to "clean up" the game.

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They are all shoot games :P

It's what the PC guys call "variety".

Yeah we have our arena shooter, military shooter, simulation shooter, MOAB shooter, arcadey co-op shooter, the RPG/shooter combo... I could go on and on. There are hundreds of different types of shooters. It's crazy.

Wasdie

Unless they changed Halo's gampelay to allow players to move at 150 km/h while skiing across the extremely open and hilly terrain. No, not at all. The color pallet and shaders are very similar to Halo though. It looks a lot like Halo but doesn't play like it at all.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

If grinding sucks, why have it at all? Developers know it's not fun, since the most common promotional items are ways to avoid it (XP boosters, double XP weekends, unlock packs). F2P is just the natural evolution of the unlock systems that are already ruining games, where XP boosters become the revenue stream.

nunovlopes

What's the problem with BF3 unlock system?

BF3's unlock system is fine. What don't you like about it?

It rewards you for using the weapon.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="lowe0"]

If grinding sucks, why have it at all? Developers know it's not fun, since the most common promotional items are ways to avoid it (XP boosters, double XP weekends, unlock packs). F2P is just the natural evolution of the unlock systems that are already ruining games, where XP boosters become the revenue stream.

Wasdie

BF3's unlock system is fine. What don't you like about it?

It rewards you for using the weapon.

My thoughts exactly, I loved it.

As of yet, no F2P game impressed me yet. It was either boring/gimped MMOs or old/gimped FPSes. Maybe that could change if there was a really good F2P game.

I loved it.

nunovlopes

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

BF3's unlock system is fine. What don't you like about it?

It rewards you for using the weapon.

skrat_01

I think unlock systems in general are terrible.

It's why battlefield 1943 is my favorite battlefield to date, none of that crap is in there.

If I want to "level up" I'll play WoW.

I think unlock systems in general are terrible.

topgunmv

Agreed, new players should be able to use everything that old players have when they start the game up. There shouldn't be any advantage for people that spend a lot of time grinding and there shouldn't be things some players can use but others can't.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

BF3's unlock system is fine. What don't you like about it?

It rewards you for using the weapon.

topgunmv

I think unlock systems in general are terrible.

It's why battlefield 1943 is my favorite battlefield to date, none of that crap is in there.

If I want to "level up" I'll play WoW.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Why not encourage players to experiment with weapons, items, and then work towards items they'd like to unlock through that? It's terribly rigid and lengthy, worst of all is the vehicle unlock system. Nothing screams bad like taking off in an F18 and trying to survive with just the cannon. Sad thing is there's so much there, and it could have been so much better rather than trying to pad the game.skrat_01

I think unlock systems in general are terrible.

It's why battlefield 1943 is my favorite battlefield to date, none of that crap is in there.

If I want to "level up" I'll play WoW.

I enjoyed climbing up the insignia ranks in 1943, but I don't like anything that affects gameplay.

BLOPS was decent enough in this regard.skrat_01

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

They are all shoot games :P

It's what the PC guys call "variety".

Yeah we have our arena shooter, military shooter, simulation shooter, MOAB shooter, arcadey co-op shooter, the RPG/shooter combo... I could go on and on. There are hundreds of different types of shooters. It's crazy.

Wasdie

Unless they changed Halo's gampelay to allow players to move at 150 km/h while skiing across the extremely open and hilly terrain. No, not at all. The color pallet and shaders are very similar to Halo though. It looks a lot like Halo but doesn't play like it at all.

Don't forget using nothing but projectile based weapons

Planet Side looks sick, Tribes looks sick, they all look sick. Lucky PC gamers. You best believe I'll be giving all 3 of those a shot when I get one.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]BLOPS was decent enough in this regard.Cherokee_Jack

TF 2 only went free to play long after it was released. It's an old game, and feels like it.

The new tribes ascend update is awesome

Im currently sinking hundreds of hours into Tribes: Ascend and loving it. Best multiplayer FPS in absolutely ages and its FREE!

How can I get into the tribes beta?

man oh man ... dat Tribes.

games amazing.

How can I get into the tribes beta?

Mattizzle815

I can see this. F2P is the future for the PC.

How can I get into the tribes beta?

Mattizzle815

Just like them on facebook and you'll get a key

Yeah, I'm loving where F2P is going. It's a great model because it allows you attrack a lot of potential customers even for a niche game.

Of course, as with every revolution the birth was painfull and filled with pointless pay-2-win titles, but fortunatelly that's changing now. League of Legends started the flood of great F2P titles and it's not slowing down. What's more, it allows us to have once again big budgeted PC exclusives in a genres that didn't see ones in a very long time.

speeking of f2p,anyone knows how they work? dont they cost money to keep the servers up and running? they cant be free for the develops.

As long as the in game store doesn't allow you to buy everything like combat arms.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I loved it.

skrat_01

Your problem is that you look at unlocks as a goal and get all stressed up because you don't have them. If you just have fun with the game then unlocks are just a bonus, not something you play for. I definitely don't play BF3 *to* unlock anything, I'm just having fun and I'll gladly take whatever unlocks come my way. I certainly don't obsess with it like some players seem to. It also doesn't artificially inflate the lenght of the game because I'm not playing *to* get the unlocks I'm playing to have fun. I won't stop playing just because I got all the unlocks that's for sure.

The system rewards you for sticking to a weapon/vehicle, which makes perfect sense. If you invest time with a certain weapon/vehicle you should get some benefits, seems fine to me.

People are just butthurt because they're getting killed by people that have all the unlocks. Cry me a river, stop whining. Kids these days can't take a beating by a better player (or a player who invested more time into the game) without crying in a corner complaining that the game is unbalanced or whatever and that it's hurting their K/D.

With that said, I agree with you that starting on a jet with nothing more than a machine gun is extremely annoying.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I loved it.

nunovlopes

Your problem is that you look at unlocks as a goal and get all stressed up because you don't have them. If you just have fun with the game then unlocks are just a bonus, not something you play for. I definitely don't play BF3 *to* unlock anything, I'm just having fun and I'll gladly take whatever unlocks come my way. I certainly don't obsess with it like some players seem to. It also doesn't artificially inflate the lenght of the game because I'm not playing *to* get the unlocks I'm playing to have fun. I won't stop playing just because I got all the unlocks that's for sure.

The system rewards you for sticking to a weapon/vehicle, which makes perfect sense. If you invest time with a certain weapon/vehicle you should get some benefits, seems fine to me.

People are just butthurt because they're getting killed by people that have all the unlocks. Cry me a river, stop whining. Kids these days can't take a beating by a better player (or a player who invested more time into the game) without crying in a corner complaining that the game is unbalanced or whatever and that it's hurting their K/D.

With that said, I agree with you that starting on a jet with nothing more than a machine gun is extremely annoying.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] I'm going to be all crotchety and call Stockholm Syndrome.lowe0

Your problem is that you look at unlocks as a goal and get all stressed up because you don't have them. If you just have fun with the game then unlocks are just a bonus, not something you play for. I definitely don't play BF3 *to* unlock anything, I'm just having fun and I'll gladly take whatever unlocks come my way. I certainly don't obsess with it like some players seem to. It also doesn't artificially inflate the lenght of the game because I'm not playing *to* get the unlocks I'm playing to have fun. I won't stop playing just because I got all the unlocks that's for sure.

The system rewards you for sticking to a weapon/vehicle, which makes perfect sense. If you invest time with a certain weapon/vehicle you should get some benefits, seems fine to me.

People are just butthurt because they're getting killed by people that have all the unlocks. Cry me a river, stop whining. Kids these days can't take a beating by a better player (or a player who invested more time into the game) without crying in a corner complaining that the game is unbalanced or whatever and that it's hurting their K/D.

With that said, I agree with you that starting on a jet with nothing more than a machine gun is extremely annoying.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I never had as much fun with any of those games as I have with Battlefield games, not by a long shot, and I was a fairly avid Quake 2 player. I don't see the first stages of the game as a grind or a pain, I just have fun. In the early stages you unlock things quite fast, and I don't dwell on the fact that I'll never unlock everything, that's ok.

There was a time when people didn't need email, or internet, or mobile phones, or TVs for that matter, doesn't change the way things are nowadays.

Most PC gamers have been playing F2P for ages. It's why many developers are more console orientated now.

[spoiler] Don't flame me, bro! [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

I loved it.

nunovlopes

Your problem is that you look at unlocks as a goal and get all stressed up because you don't have them. If you just have fun with the game then unlocks are just a bonus, not something you play for. I definitely don't play BF3 *to* unlock anything, I'm just having fun and I'll gladly take whatever unlocks come my way. I certainly don't obsess with it like some players seem to. It also doesn't artificially inflate the lenght of the game because I'm not playing *to* get the unlocks I'm playing to have fun. I won't stop playing just because I got all the unlocks that's for sure.

The system rewards you for sticking to a weapon/vehicle, which makes perfect sense. If you invest time with a certain weapon/vehicle you should get some benefits, seems fine to me.

People are just butthurt because they're getting killed by people that have all the unlocks. Cry me a river, stop whining. Kids these days can't take a beating by a better player (or a player who invested more time into the game) without crying in a corner complaining that the game is unbalanced or whatever and that it's hurting their K/D.

With that said, I agree with you that starting on a jet with nothing more than a machine gun is extremely annoying.