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#151 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

@game_masta14 [QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]reviewer got owned in the game, and his review was all butthurtgame_masta14

See this is what I mean. Most of the posts aimed at criticism of the review are like this rather than constructive.

Because that's what the majority of SW is, trolls and whiners. When someone actually goes into depth on what was wrong with the review, they still get deemed as butthurt. It's just what SW is and there's no changing it. Doesn't change my stance on the review though.

Unfortunately trolls now can post whatever they want and just yell "butthurt" at any response. True debate is a lost art in SW now.
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#152 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="game_masta14"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] See this is what I mean. Most of the posts aimed at criticism of the review are like this rather than constructive.blue_hazy_basic
Because that's what the majority of SW is, trolls and whiners. When someone actually goes into depth on what was wrong with the review, they still get deemed as butthurt. It's just what SW is and there's no changing it. Doesn't change my stance on the review though.

Unfortunately trolls now can post whatever they want and just yell "butthurt" at any response. True debate is a lost art in SW now.

its a fckin fighting game, the only thing it has is button combos.... learning curve argument makes the reviewer look like a noob, or reviewing the wrong fckin genre. where the fck is john davison, he needs to get off his a$$ in the penthouse and get back to reviewing games like the good old days
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#153 ArchoNils2
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Saw the video review, IMO it's pretty tupid to say it's bad that characters play diffferent. That's actually awesome. Who want a fighter with 10 times the same character and just different skins? If I want that I play some old DBZ games xD

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#154 RR360DD
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TC = :cry:

:lol:

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#155 jessejay420
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"bu bu this Game easily deserves a 8.0!! :cry: " "bu bu teh Reviewer didnt have time to learn teh Controls!! :cry: " :lol: FLOP
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#156 Frostbite24
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

@game_masta14 [QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]reviewer got owned in the game, and his review was all butthurtgame_masta14

See this is what I mean. Most of the posts aimed at criticism of the review are like this rather than constructive.

Because that's what the majority of SW is, trolls and whiners. When someone actually goes into depth on what was wrong with the review, they still get deemed as butthurt. It's just what SW is and there's no changing it. Doesn't change my stance on the review though.

Why is it every time I read a post of yours it is always you acting butthurt about something?

Edit: Do you only post when you're butthurt or is it that you're always butthurt?

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#157 WiiCubeM1
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Playstation All Stars Battle Royale - 6.5... hmmm.... okay, whatever... maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

However....

"The Bad

  • Complex battle system makes for a steep learning curve"

WHAT!?! Is this a joke?

moistsandwich

It's actually harder than Smash Bros, believe it or not.

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#158 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Save the money--buy a used GameCube and Melee.
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#159 game_masta14
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[QUOTE="game_masta14"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] See this is what I mean. Most of the posts aimed at criticism of the review are like this rather than constructive.

Frostbite24

Because that's what the majority of SW is, trolls and whiners. When someone actually goes into depth on what was wrong with the review, they still get deemed as butthurt. It's just what SW is and there's no changing it. Doesn't change my stance on the review though.

Why is it every time I read a post of yours it is always you acting butthurt about something?

Edit: Do you only post when you're butthurt or is it that you're always butthurt?

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#160 Gau0123
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GS has terrible reviews. Just read professional reviews instead.Mr_Cumberdale
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#161 burgeg
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[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Playstation All Stars Battle Royale - 6.5... hmmm.... okay, whatever... maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

However....

"The Bad

  • Complex battle system makes for a steep learning curve"

WHAT!?! Is this a joke?

WiiCubeM1

It's actually harder than Smash Bros, believe it or not.

I found it easier to play than Smash Bros. Mash a couple moves for a character over and over again until you've built up enough meter. Use your super and get loads of free kills. Easy. I completely raped online in the beta doing this with every character. It was not hard. It was laughably easy in fact, and way too simplistic.

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#162 deactivated-59603ff9b9423
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GS is too used to reviewing kids games like Brawl. When a game of sophistication comes along they're like "WTF ITS TOO HARD! FLOP IT!"

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#163 BlbecekBobecek
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[QUOTE="kingtito"] Or they have their own opinions which is no worse than anyone else. kingtito

I can check out (lets say) League of Legends (or Starcraft 2 or Dark Souls or whatever) for a few hours, then uninstal it and think (or even say) that it sucks without ever understanding what the game was all about and what the hell was actualy happening on the screen. Its my opinion and I have the right to have one.

Reviewer who gets payed for his work can not though. Reviewer must humbly accept the game as it is and understand it before he can tell us what he thinks. Review is more than opinion, it should be able to reveal the true quality of the game. And thats what GS reviewrs suck at lately.

Im not talking only about this game, Im talking about their ridiculous Natural Selection 2 review (before they changed it - original score was 6.0), Im talking about the terrible ZombiU review, etc. etc. The GS reviews are REALLY bad lately - to the point its actually embarassing to read them.

Reviews have an ALWAYS will be nothing more than OPINION. Your mistake is thinking that someone's view on a game is more than that. It doesn't matter if they get paid because what they like or don't like carries no weight on what I or anyone might like or dislike. You need to get over the fact it flopped on GS. Move on and if you don't agree with GS reviews then don't read them. It really is that simple.

You got it mixed up. One thing is an opinion, other thing is a quality. Whether you like a game or not is a matter of opinion. Whether a game is good or not is a matter of quality. Reviews should tell you about quality of a game, not about whether someone likes it or not. A good reviewer is one that can reveal quality and describe it to the readers. It has nothing to do with opinions really. The fact that someone hates Dark Souls doesnt make it bad (just like the fact that someone hates Shakespeares drama doesnt make it bad).

It honestly has nothing to do with this lame Smash Brothers Brawl copy and me being butthurt. I dont intend to buy this game and I couldnt care less about it (I didnt even like the original SSBB afterall). I do care about quality of reviews on a site I used to respect though.

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[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

I can check out (lets say) League of Legends (or Starcraft 2 or Dark Souls or whatever) for a few hours, then uninstal it and think (or even say) that it sucks without ever understanding what the game was all about and what the hell was actualy happening on the screen. Its my opinion and I have the right to have one.

Reviewer who gets payed for his work can not though. Reviewer must humbly accept the game as it is and understand it before he can tell us what he thinks. Review is more than opinion, it should be able to reveal the true quality of the game. And thats what GS reviewrs suck at lately.

Im not talking only about this game, Im talking about their ridiculous Natural Selection 2 review (before they changed it - original score was 6.0), Im talking about the terrible ZombiU review, etc. etc. The GS reviews are REALLY bad lately - to the point its actually embarassing to read them.

BlbecekBobecek

Reviews have an ALWAYS will be nothing more than OPINION. Your mistake is thinking that someone's view on a game is more than that. It doesn't matter if they get paid because what they like or don't like carries no weight on what I or anyone might like or dislike. You need to get over the fact it flopped on GS. Move on and if you don't agree with GS reviews then don't read them. It really is that simple.

You got it mixed up. One thing is an opinion, other thing is a quality. Whether you like a game or not is a matter of opinion. Whether a game is good or not is a matter of quality. Reviews should tell you about quality of a game, not about whether someone likes it or not. A good reviewer is one that can reveal quality and describe it to the readers. It has nothing to do with opinions really. The fact that someone hates Dark Souls doesnt make it bad (just like the fact that someone hates Shakespeares drama doesnt make it bad).

It honestly has nothing to do with this lame Smash Brothers Brawl copy and me being butthurt. I dont intend to buy this game and I couldnt care less about it (I didnt even like the original SSBB afterall). I do care about quality of reviews on a site I used to respect though.

you seem to like wall of texts. i'll summarize pretty much every single one of your posts for people who don't wanna bother: ;)

tl;dr - "gs sucks at reviews because they don't like this sony game waaahh :cry:"

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#165 MyopicCanadian
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The review video stated that it was more complex than professional fighting games. Maybe the reviewer was talking about boxing and UFC games ;)

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#166 rjdofu
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lol cry me a river. Unfortunate, but a flop is a flop. Not like this review is gonna sway your opinion right?

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#167 MyopicCanadian
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This is just like IGN's undeserved crappy Tekken Tag 2 score.Sali217

Yes, it is exactly like that.

Why do they give fighting games to reviewers who have no idea how to play them?

I wonder if Maxwell McGee is still on this site anymore or not.. I know he had SOME clue about fighters atleast.

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#168 kingtito
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[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

I can check out (lets say) League of Legends (or Starcraft 2 or Dark Souls or whatever) for a few hours, then uninstal it and think (or even say) that it sucks without ever understanding what the game was all about and what the hell was actualy happening on the screen. Its my opinion and I have the right to have one.

Reviewer who gets payed for his work can not though. Reviewer must humbly accept the game as it is and understand it before he can tell us what he thinks. Review is more than opinion, it should be able to reveal the true quality of the game. And thats what GS reviewrs suck at lately.

Im not talking only about this game, Im talking about their ridiculous Natural Selection 2 review (before they changed it - original score was 6.0), Im talking about the terrible ZombiU review, etc. etc. The GS reviews are REALLY bad lately - to the point its actually embarassing to read them.

BlbecekBobecek

Reviews have an ALWAYS will be nothing more than OPINION. Your mistake is thinking that someone's view on a game is more than that. It doesn't matter if they get paid because what they like or don't like carries no weight on what I or anyone might like or dislike. You need to get over the fact it flopped on GS. Move on and if you don't agree with GS reviews then don't read them. It really is that simple.

You got it mixed up. One thing is an opinion, other thing is a quality. Whether you like a game or not is a matter of opinion. Whether a game is good or not is a matter of quality. Reviews should tell you about quality of a game, not about whether someone likes it or not. A good reviewer is one that can reveal quality and describe it to the readers. It has nothing to do with opinions really. The fact that someone hates Dark Souls doesnt make it bad (just like the fact that someone hates Shakespeares drama doesnt make it bad).

It honestly has nothing to do with this lame Smash Brothers Brawl copy and me being butthurt. I dont intend to buy this game and I couldnt care less about it (I didnt even like the original SSBB afterall). I do care about quality of reviews on a site I used to respect though.

No I got it right. Reviews are opinion and nothing more. There are a lot of quality looking games that just aren't very good but based off your criteria they should get good scores because they look great or have tight controls. When all is said and done scoring a game based on production value and graphics is a horrible way to score a game. Don't confuse what YOU think a review should be and what reviews actually are.

Reviews are supposed to let a person get an idea whether they will like the game or not. If the controls work and game looks pretty but it's not fun to play why should it score high? All i care about is will I enjoy the game. The logic behind movie reviews applies to game reviews. All boils down to the reviewers taste, which is nothing more than their opinion.

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try reading the review, or even watching the video review. the system is too complex, even by fighting game standards, and it can't decide if it wants to be a serious fighter or an accessible brawler, and as a result, the steep curve damages the enjoyment of the game.
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#170 Goyoshi12
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try reading the review, or even watching the video review. the system is too complex, even by fighting game standards, and it can't decide if it wants to be a serious fighter or an accessible brawler, and as a result, the steep curve damages the enjoyment of the game.BrunoBRS

Pffffffft....READING?

What's that?

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#171 BlbecekBobecek
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you seem to like wall of texts. i'll summarize pretty much every single one of your posts for people who don't wanna bother: ;)

tl;dr - "gs sucks at reviews because they don't like this sony game waaahh :cry:"

KarateeeChop

Thanks for your comment, it was a very interesting one and it was indeed important to make it, but I propose that only people with brain bigger than a peanut joined this discussion from now on.

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#173 BlbecekBobecek
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[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

Reviews have an ALWAYS will be nothing more than OPINION. Your mistake is thinking that someone's view on a game is more than that. It doesn't matter if they get paid because what they like or don't like carries no weight on what I or anyone might like or dislike. You need to get over the fact it flopped on GS. Move on and if you don't agree with GS reviews then don't read them. It really is that simple.

kingtito

You got it mixed up. One thing is an opinion, other thing is a quality. Whether you like a game or not is a matter of opinion. Whether a game is good or not is a matter of quality. Reviews should tell you about quality of a game, not about whether someone likes it or not. A good reviewer is one that can reveal quality and describe it to the readers. It has nothing to do with opinions really. The fact that someone hates Dark Souls doesnt make it bad (just like the fact that someone hates Shakespeares drama doesnt make it bad).

It honestly has nothing to do with this lame Smash Brothers Brawl copy and me being butthurt. I dont intend to buy this game and I couldnt care less about it (I didnt even like the original SSBB afterall). I do care about quality of reviews on a site I used to respect though.

No I got it right. Reviews are opinion and nothing more. There are a lot of quality looking games that just aren't very good but based off your criteria they should get good scores because they look great or have tight controls. When all is said and done scoring a game based on production value and graphics is a horrible way to score a game. Don't confuse what YOU think a review should be and what reviews actually are.

Reviews are supposed to let a person get an idea whether they will like the game or not. If the controls work and game looks pretty but it's not fun to play why should it score high? All i care about is will I enjoy the game. The logic behind movie reviews applies to game reviews. All boils down to the reviewers taste, which is nothing more than their opinion.

You are wrong. See: http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

"Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?"

Actually, we don't think so. We make no excuses for our verdicts about games and believe our reviews stand for themselves. While our reviews, of course, do contain an element of subjectivity to them, we see the process of reviewing games as one that primarily involves the reporting of facts. To an extent, we naturally color these facts based on our own experiences of having spent much time playing other games in the past, but we make every effort to look at every game on its own merits, and we describe each game in the most factual terms possible. To this end, in the rare event that one of our reviews contains a factual inaccuracy, we will correct the inaccuracy and will acknowledge it in an editor's note that's appended to the end of the review.

Got it?

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#174 themajormayor
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Agreed 6.5 is probably a good score but that's the most stupid reason I've heard
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#175 burgeg
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try reading the review, or even watching the video review. the system is too complex, even by fighting game standards, and it can't decide if it wants to be a serious fighter or an accessible brawler, and as a result, the steep curve damages the enjoyment of the game.BrunoBRS
None of that is true. I have NEVER found a fighting game so accessible in my life. It's ridiculously easy to play, and in fact that's what hurts the game for me. As I say, mash a couple moves over and over again for a while until you've built up enough meter. Then simply press a button and get free kills. Anyone who finds that hard is a complete moron. This game is even easier to play than Smash Bros.

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#176 SciFiRPGfan
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No I got it right. Reviews are opinion and nothing more. There are a lot of quality looking games that just aren't very good but based off your criteria they should get good scores because they look great or have tight controls. When all is said and done scoring a game based on production value and graphics is a horrible way to score a game. Don't confuse what YOU think a review should be and what reviews actually are.

Reviews are supposed to let a person get an idea whether they will like the game or not. If the controls work and game looks pretty but it's not fun to play why should it score high? All i care about is will I enjoy the game. The logic behind movie reviews applies to game reviews. All boils down to the reviewers taste, which is nothing more than their opinion.kingtito


But GS in their review policy specifically states that their reviews are not just their opinions and that they are trying to have our money and time (and thus by proxy, also our preferences) in mind.

And I believe, that that's the difference between my or your (or anyone else's who isn't reviewer) and reviewer's statements. That while your or me are speaking and are supposed to speak only for ourselves, the reviewer should ideally speak for the majority of the people, to whom the review is dedicated and not just for him.

Here's the hypothetical question, if you were my personal videogame reviewer and you wanted to (and were supposed to) offer me advices on whether I should buy some game or not, would you completely ignore my opinion and my preferences? Would you just state your own? Even if you for example knew, based on your previous experience, that I tend to like completely different things than you? Or would take my opinions, preferences and standards into consideration and offer me some kind of mixture of what you liked about the game and what you think I would like, given my previous feedback?

And if you happened to offer me just your mere opinion, knowing that I like different things, how much of a use do you think I would have for your review and you?

Of course, the reality is much more complex and reviews are not dedicated to a single person, but to a large group of people with different and sometimes downright opposing preferences. And because of that, reviewers actually have a lot of freedom. Still, sometimes a signifficant part of readers (audience) has a pretty unified opinion on what makes a good game (or game element). And in such cases, if reviewer happens to disagree, people will let him know (some more politely, some less), that his standards are off in comparison to theirs. And that's a good thing IMO, because next time, his review can serve its purpose (of letting people know about presence of what they consider good and bad elements in some game) better.

And in this particular case, it seems that OP wants to know how many people think, that one of reviewer's criteria (the complexity being a downside), is off and maybe how many agree, that he should be informed about it. Or someting like that I guess.