Further Proof the PS3 is Done. (article)

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#151 blackdreamhunk
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along as it sells 300k+ units every month i think sonys happyps3_owns_360Wii
they just lost 1.1 billion on top of their 3 billion already. There is more laying offs coming to sony too. Not a good thing in a ression!
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#152 FirstDiscovery
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[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"]But it overperformed when it had no games, high price tag, and 3 months less in Europe:? Therefore now that it does have games, a reasonable price tag, Sony brand name, Blu-Ray in full swing etc, there is little reason why it should be doing worse than it did late 07dsmccracken
I think that it's pretty clear that the early "overperformance" was the PS3 drafting on the PS2. When the smoke cleared and it became clear that the "shock & awe" experience that had been promised never in fact materialized, the bubble burst.

Well the people who saved it where the Japanese (who consequently then realised its lack of games at the time) and the Europeans, who are extremely casual You ask a European or even a Brit as to why they bought one, youll hear the same trash, so these people think the PS3 owns. So yeah, i simply think its down to the recession, but then added the fact that MSs marketing and attractive pricing is essentially making them 'choose' between the two
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#153 FirstDiscovery
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See? I told you guys. It's over. The PS3 is dead. Nothing can save it now.

Not even Gran Turismo, Ratchet, GoWIII, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, INfamous and Uncharted 2. :)

Rikusaki
Good games arent enough sometimes to sell a system, in fact currently the trend is the opposite...
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#154 nethernova
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Not that you did this CJ, but I hate when people try to pass off idiotic blogs they stumbled across on the web as some kind of evidence, or proof, or even worse, fact. Please take note Renegade! :Pblue_hazy_basic
But when some guys predicts a $100 price cut for the PS3, it's suddenly a fact.
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#155 dr_jashugan
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Yeah, the PS3 is NOT finished. BUT, it's heading the same way where the Xbox went, LAST PLACE.

I just hope $ony have learned the lesson and develop a successful PlayStation 4 in the future. 8)
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#156 blackdreamhunk
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Yeah, the PS3 is NOT finished. BUT, it's heading the same way where the Xbox went, LAST PLACE.

I just hope $ony have learned the lesson and develop a successful PlayStation 4 in the future. 8)
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that's if their share holders even wants sony to make another console. I wonder what sony shae holders even think.
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#157 DisPimpin
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Good read. I didn't see much bias in the article, I just see a guy calling it how he sees it. Numbers don't lie. Numbers aren't fanboys. Numbers aren't biased. :|
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#158 InsaneBasura
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Good read. I didn't see much bias in the article, I just see a guy calling it how he sees it. Numbers don't lie. Numbers aren't fanboys. Numbers aren't biased. :| DisPimpin
GT5P had 1 million pre-orders and has today shipped probably a fair bit above 2.5 million units worldwide. But that's apparently irrelevant as it only having sold 200k its first month in the US or something, means it sold poorly.

This of course makes you distrustful of the entire bloody article. And like...all these words to tell us that the PS3 is in third place? Kinda already knew that.

This just makes it even more obvious

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#159 tek91
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]along as it sells 300k+ units every month i think sonys happyblackdreamhunk
they just lost 1.1 billion on top of their 3 billion already. There is more laying offs coming to sony too. Not a good thing in a ression!

m$ also lost billion as a result of faulty product and lawsuit and m$ is also layed off alot of people too
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#160 Phazevariance
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[QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]along as it sells 300k+ units every month i think sonys happyblackdreamhunk
they just lost 1.1 billion on top of their 3 billion already. There is more laying offs coming to sony too. Not a good thing in a ression!

Especially if this recession turns into a depression as many predict. PS3 is far from 'done' but its going to be in last palce this generation, and that's pretty much unavoidable considering the financial troubles Sony is in, and the high manufacturing cost of the console. Even with a $100 drop in march/april, the 360 can drop $50 and then it would still be half the price of a PS3. In a troubled economy, price tags DO matter. That and game sales are higher on the competitions consoles, so they will get more games made in return.
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#161 tek91
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[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="ps3_owns_360Wii"]along as it sells 300k+ units every month i think sonys happyPhazevariance
they just lost 1.1 billion on top of their 3 billion already. There is more laying offs coming to sony too. Not a good thing in a ression!

Especially if this recession turns into a depression as many predict. PS3 is far from 'done' but its going to be in last palce this generation, and that's pretty much unavoidable considering the financial troubles Sony is in, and the high manufacturing cost of the console. Even with a $100 drop in march/april, the 360 can drop $50 and then it would still be half the price of a PS3. In a troubled economy, price tags DO matter. That and game sales are higher on the competitions consoles, so they will get more games made in return.

If the PS 3 drops and becomes $299 that's a steal that will sell especially with the games coming for it and m$ won't be able to do much damage is m$ that desperate to drop the arcade to $150 or $100 which is basically last gen prices ?

2008 proved how loved the PS brand is the PS 3 had a price cut and was still more expensive than the 360 and outsold it for 8 months in a row it cause desperation in m$ which then lowered it's arcade to $199

in all honesty things look much better corcerning prices for the PS 3 than for the xbox unless m$ decides to give out the 360 for $50 I might pick one up

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#162 dream431ca
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I disagree with the article.
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#163 mattbbpl
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[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]they just lost 1.1 billion on top of their 3 billion already. There is more laying offs coming to sony too. Not a good thing in a ression!tek91

Especially if this recession turns into a depression as many predict. PS3 is far from 'done' but its going to be in last palce this generation, and that's pretty much unavoidable considering the financial troubles Sony is in, and the high manufacturing cost of the console. Even with a $100 drop in march/april, the 360 can drop $50 and then it would still be half the price of a PS3. In a troubled economy, price tags DO matter. That and game sales are higher on the competitions consoles, so they will get more games made in return.

If the PS 3 drops and becomes $299 that's a steal that will sell especially with the games coming for it and m$ won't be able to do much damage is m$ that desperate to drop the arcade to $150 or $100 which is basically last ge prices ?

in all honesty things look much better corcerning prices for the PS 3 than for the xbox unless m$ decides to give out the 360 for $50 I might pick one up

You know what bothers me the most about this generation? The rise in console prices and the gamers' apparently oblivious acceptance of it. MS raises their launch price from $300 to $400 as well as more expensive games. Ninty raises their launch price from the traditional $200 to $250 despite weaker hardware. Sony launches at an atrocious $600 with more expensive games.

Now us gamers are stating that a console at last generation's launch price with more expensive games is a steal. Maybe I'm jaded, but I don't really see it that way.
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#164 stereointegrity
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i guess if some site i have never heard of say it then it must be true
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#165 67gt500
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PS3 was done on launch day when people saw that big pricetag.Parasomniac
I don't know about done on launch day (they sold every unit that they were able to ship), but sticker-shocking the gaming world probably wasn't the smartest thing for them to lead-in with...
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#166 I1yodsyo1I
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PS3 is good... its not a must have like the PS2 (which came with a DVD player).
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#167 rockguy92
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OK...
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#168 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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Damn, the PS3 has been killed more times than Kenny.
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#169 SoNin360
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Meh nothing I'm gonna worry about, i'll enjoy my PS3 and some great games for years to come...
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#170 AdmiralBison
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Bashing PS3 is the "cool" thing to do in the media. Thats why I dont even bother to listen to these "journalist". I have my own brain.finalfantasy94

it's also cool baching it here too ;) lol.

Seriously though you can;t blame everyone as to why the Console isn;'t selling well. Cows blame it's the price, the Media, the casuals, the lazy developers-everyone!

The blame is squarly on the CEOs and management at Sony for their arrogance and not taking the competition and gamers seriously.

All hype, overpromising and no delivery.

the 4th dimension...

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#171 wagexslave
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[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

Quite frankly this is a bunch of bull. This person doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Like it or not, the PS3 is really just getting started. It's great exclusives are really starting to strike interest into new customers everywhere.

Just wait until Killzone 2, God Of War 3, Uncharted 2, Grand Turismo 5, Warhawk 2, M.A.G., etc are out.

I wanted to single one other thing out: M.A.G. People need to stop bringing up MAG... seriously. So little is known (including the name), it's so far away, even it's existence is unknown to all but a tiny minority that keeps abreast of gaming news and tunes into convention presentations. How much of an impact do you think this could possibly have on console sales?

It's interesting and something that has never been done. Even the little we know about it is exciting if they pull it off well... this is why people bring it up.
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#172 BloodyKodo
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Well as far as saying the PS3 is done not even close. The thing with saying one console is better or beating another is very temporary. The sales are done quarterly and the 360, Wii, and PS3 have taken turns leading no system has swept the boards the whole time. As for the price deal the 360 is dropping an ass load because its near time for them to start with the releasing of their new system while the PS3 is planning to last quite a while longer so when that new xbox drops the prices are going to be pretty much the same. Part of the problem was the format of blu ray on PS3. But ultimately its a chance that needed to be taken because in the future I dont want 10 disc games. The 360 will need some sort of upgrade with the new system as far as the format the games are on because if the games get bigger and better looking and its still a standard dvd a game simple like madden would be 2 disc. I ultimately annoyed by the console war. The focus for a video game console should be the games not this obsession with my console doing a thousand things. It would certainly make the systems cheaper. America more than Japan also has this obsession with the internet where the main focus of everything is online multiplayer. That internet obsession has spilled over to putting random crap on the online stores to get you to spend more money. Ex: game add ons that are pointless 2 bucks for a pointless character. I saw in the worst game thread that gears of war 2 showed up a few times. Thats insane. The reason mainly because the online sucked. The idea of a great story one player game keeps getting smaller and less important.
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#173 AdmiralBison
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Quite frankly this is a bunch of bull. This person doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Like it or not, the PS3 is really just getting started. It's great exclusives are really starting to strike interest into new customers everywhere.

Just wait until Killzone 2, God Of War 3, Uncharted 2, Grand Turismo 5, Warhawk 2, M.A.G., etc are out.

wagexslave

really? just getting started. Oh.. that's right the next gen doesn't start until they say so or when they become second :)

or we'll just wait....how long do we have to wait? :)

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#174 wagexslave
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[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

Quite frankly this is a bunch of bull. This person doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Like it or not, the PS3 is really just getting started. It's great exclusives are really starting to strike interest into new customers everywhere.

Just wait until Killzone 2, God Of War 3, Uncharted 2, Grand Turismo 5, Warhawk 2, M.A.G., etc are out.

AdmiralBison

really? just getting started. Oh.. that's right the next gen doesn't start until they say so or when they become second :)

or we'll just wait....how long do we have to wait? :)

Just getting started is an expression that means they still have a lot of goodies on the way and it's nowhere near done(obviously). But I'm sure you knew this already, you just wanted to be ignorant and take it literally.
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#175 angryfodder
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The PS3 ticked every flop box going so far.

Its clawed back a bit of respect with a price drop and the release of a few decent exclusives.

There was a point though were the PS3 was a complete joke. It had no great exclusives, its multiplats were all inferior and it still demanded the highest price tag.

Can an object be arragant? Because the PS3 was.

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#176 Malta_1980
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so a (biased) journalist's opinion is now taken as proof ?

PS3's only problem is its higher price-tag compared to competition, as for the rest its an amazing system..

Looks at PS3's upcoming exclusive/multiplat titles hhmmmmm naahh its definately here to stay :)

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#177 AlphaGamer469
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Done? It never got started.

It is funny how a negative blog about the PS3 is discounted, yet EVERY negative blog about the 360 is concidered the Gospal of the industry...

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#178 Lance_Kalzas
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Nintendo has a traditional launch price of $200? Try again. When the NES first launched, it was $300. I know this because after I opened it up on Christmas day, my parents told me how much it cost. SNES? That launched with either $250 or $300 as well. I know this because I also received that one for Christmas. Same with the Sega Genesis. Nintendo has maintained the launch prices they've always had or less. Sony and MS on the other hand.....But you can't really blame them. Sony's PS3 cost over $800 to make at launch for each unit. Exactly how much were you expecting them to charge for it? There's only so much of a loss a company can take on a per unit basis....
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#179 dsmccracken
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[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

Quite frankly this is a bunch of bull. This person doesn't even know what he's talking about.

Like it or not, the PS3 is really just getting started. It's great exclusives are really starting to strike interest into new customers everywhere.

Just wait until Killzone 2, God Of War 3, Uncharted 2, Grand Turismo 5, Warhawk 2, M.A.G., etc are out.

I wanted to single one other thing out: M.A.G. People need to stop bringing up MAG... seriously. So little is known (including the name), it's so far away, even it's existence is unknown to all but a tiny minority that keeps abreast of gaming news and tunes into convention presentations. How much of an impact do you think this could possibly have on console sales?

It's interesting and something that has never been done. Even the little we know about it is exciting if they pull it off well... this is why people bring it up.

So bring it up in regards to personal anticipation. Trying to use it in a discussion as something that might sell consoles is shameful.
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#180 awmannn
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PS3 was done on launch day when people saw that big pricetag.Parasomniac
More like it was done when people saw the only game it had worrth playing (maybe) was MGS4, and that came out not so long ago!
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#181 Episode_Eve
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I saw this story on N4G and I never even bothered reading it.
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#182 SpruceCaboose
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Done? It never got started.

It is funny how a negative blog about the PS3 is discounted, yet EVERY negative blog about the 360 is concidered the Gospal of the industry...

AlphaGamer469
Well, if we are to believe that the 360 has a few more years in it, it would likewise be a viable assumption that the PS3 also has at least a few more years in it, so I am not sure how people can already call any of the platforms "done", especially when the PS3 had a much better 2007 than 2006, and a better 2008 than 2007. It would appear from that that Sony is actually making the platform better and more appealing over time, so I would not write it off just yet, depending on what the criterion for "done" is in this sense.
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#183 fluxorator
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Done? It never got started.

It is funny how a negative blog about the PS3 is discounted, yet EVERY negative blog about the 360 is concidered the Gospal of the industry...

AlphaGamer469
Take the fan-boy goggles off and you'll realise it's quite the opposite.
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#184 PoppaGamer
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How you know the author is a fanboy: "but there comes a time when a system has to stop being sold on potential and instead be sold on the realization of that potential. "

That was something you said in feb 0f 2007 and you were right. But to pretend the PS3's power hasn't shown well since the end of 2007 is fanboyness, nothing more.

Yeah, let's all hope the PS brand is done, right? We gamers want rushed hardware with high priced add-ons, we want our consoles aimed at casuals and to give us an an unending supply of shovelware. What a bright future that would be :roll:

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#185 monkeyd_93
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Sony imo is far from being done. theres no doubt there will be a pricecut soon as they start to make profit and it would start to really push the wheels in motion, they have a great line up ahead of them and if 3D gaming does go ahead and it works out, then there will be more interest into it and they still havent done anything major wise to gain interest either. if you look at the 360, we have had major pricecuts to make it cheaper than the wii, rights to have exclusive DLC or to have it before the other consoles, having similar ideas to the other consoles i.e motion sensing and lips and also try gain interest on other consoles by having a game on it ie viva pinata and the halo concept on the ds. But its just normal business, so i guess we will have to see what sony have hidden up their sleeves to close the gap between the consoles
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#186 TheProdigyIV
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Here it is.

Here's a bit from the ending...

"Can the PS3 be saved? I would say the answer is no. The Xbox 360 and the Wii have carved up this generation and Sony is left scraping up the scraps (much like Nintendo and Microsoft did last generation). They could always declare 2009 the "Year of the PS3", but there comes a time when a system has to stop being sold on potential and instead be sold on the realization of that potential.

The PS3 is most assuredly done and all they can do now is plan for the PlayStation 4. Hopefully they learn their lesson from this generation and do not make the same mistakes again. Healthy competition pushes everyone to new heights in the game industry and I'd love to see Sony return to the innovative and smart Sony we saw that nurtured the PS2 to its lofty peak as one of the greatest game consoles of all time."

Man, could this guy be more of a PS3 hater? He was even claiming the PS3 was done before 2008 was even half way through. I found this article insanely biased and a great example of the "gloom and doom" picture some of the gaming media is trying to paint for the PS3.

Is Sony in a tight spot? Sure. Is the PS3 done? Absolutely not.

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Whatever the Xbox 360 can do, Gaming wise the PS3 can do it also. You can play games, With decent graphics and get your fun. This will last for a long time, But has games get bigger and better, Microsoft's Xbox 360, Will have to die, A new system will be brought into the industry. While the PS3 is only just peaking on some of the biggest games, Gaming has seen.
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#187 SpruceCaboose
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Whatever the Xbox 360 can do, Gaming wise the PS3 can do it also. You can play games, With decent graphics and get your fun. This will last for a long time, But has games get bigger and better, Microsoft's Xbox 360, Will have to die, A new system will be brought into the industry. While the PS3 is only just peaking on some of the biggest games, Gaming has seen. TheProdigyIV
Was the PS2 put out to pasture because the GameCube and the Xbox were more powerful? No. So why would you assume that the 360 would be if the PS3 shows a bit more power, when even if there is a power gap, its much, much smaller than the ones from last generation that didn't affect anything?
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#188 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Good grief how is this thread still going? :o
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#189 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]Whatever the Xbox 360 can do, Gaming wise the PS3 can do it also. You can play games, With decent graphics and get your fun. This will last for a long time, But has games get bigger and better, Microsoft's Xbox 360, Will have to die, A new system will be brought into the industry. While the PS3 is only just peaking on some of the biggest games, Gaming has seen. SpruceCaboose
Was the PS2 put out to pasture because the GameCube and the Xbox were more powerful? No. So why would you assume that the 360 would be if the PS3 shows a bit more power, when even if there is a power gap, its much, much smaller than the ones from last generation that didn't affect anything?

That decision won't be based on power, but most likely's MS's urge to launch a new system first again. They do like short cycles :(. (IMO 4-5 years is too short)
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#190 NinjaMunkey01
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Good grief how is this thread still going? :oblue_hazy_basic
I know, its amazing... :o
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#191 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="TheProdigyIV"]Whatever the Xbox 360 can do, Gaming wise the PS3 can do it also. You can play games, With decent graphics and get your fun. This will last for a long time, But has games get bigger and better, Microsoft's Xbox 360, Will have to die, A new system will be brought into the industry. While the PS3 is only just peaking on some of the biggest games, Gaming has seen. SpruceCaboose
Was the PS2 put out to pasture because the GameCube and the Xbox were more powerful? No. So why would you assume that the 360 would be if the PS3 shows a bit more power, when even if there is a power gap, its much, much smaller than the ones from last generation that didn't affect anything?

I think you both have points. No, it won't be like last gen where MS HAS to leave due to bad deals with bad manufacturers. But I don't see MS being able to squeeze much more juice from the 360 either. Year lead was HUGE in getting sales lead. That time alone isn't happening again this gen. The 360 uses hardware very related to PC. So, with all of the devs familiar with that type of architecture, having all this time under their belt, there can't be too much more undiscovered power. MS has already gotten to a low price point. Lowering it more, I don't think, is going to raise the value of it much to consumers. Yes, it will still sell, but it will get weaker and weaker in that department. Especially as more HDTV's are purchased and the PS3 comes down in price. Just my opinion, of course. No crystal ball here.
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#192 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] That decision won't be based on power, but most likely's MS's urge to launch a new system first again. They do like short cycles :(. (IMO 4-5 years is too short)

The Xbox 360 was not launched early out of MS desire for short cycles. It was done because the Xbox was not making much money, and MS wanted to beat the PS3 to market to gain some market share. I think this generation, all three manufacturers would want a long cycle, as will developers.

MS and Sony have lost lots of money, long cycles help re-coop that loss. Ninty is making barrels of money, so they likely want it to continue, and developers are in tight economic times, so I am sure that they would rather not spend time and money learning new systems structures, and would rather code games on what they already know to lessen costs.
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#193 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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I think you both have points. No, it won't be like last gen where MS HAS to leave due to bad deals with bad manufacturers. But I don't see MS being able to squeeze much more juice from the 360 either. Year lead was HUGE in getting sales lead. That time alone isn't happening again this gen. The 360 uses hardware very related to PC. So, with all of the devs familiar with that type of architecture, having all this time under their belt, there can't be too much more undiscovered power. MS has already gotten to a low price point. Lowering it more, I don't think, is going to raise the value of it much to consumers. Yes, it will still sell, but it will get weaker and weaker in that department. Especially as more HDTV's are purchased and the PS3 comes down in price. Just my opinion, of course. No crystal ball here.PoppaGamer
And yet with no advertising or marketing the PS2 still sells, surely mainly now because its priced so low? (although its back library is vast)
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#194 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] That decision won't be based on power, but most likely's MS's urge to launch a new system first again. They do like short cycles :(. (IMO 4-5 years is too short)SpruceCaboose
The Xbox 360 was not launched early out of MS desire for short cycles. It was done because the Xbox was not making much money, and MS wanted to beat the PS3 to market to gain some market share. I think this generation, all three manufacturers would want a long cycle, as will developers.

MS and Sony have lost lots of money, long cycles help re-coop that loss. Ninty is making barrels of money, so they likely want it to continue, and developers are in tight economic times, so I am sure that they would rather not spend time and money learning new systems structures, and would rather code games on what they already know to lessen costs.

But most of what MS can brag about this gen is due to the early start. You don't think they're going to remember that come next go-around? That doesn't mean that they will cut 360 at the 4-5 year mark. But I do think they will cut first.
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#195 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]I think you both have points. No, it won't be like last gen where MS HAS to leave due to bad deals with bad manufacturers. But I don't see MS being able to squeeze much more juice from the 360 either. Year lead was HUGE in getting sales lead. That time alone isn't happening again this gen. The 360 uses hardware very related to PC. So, with all of the devs familiar with that type of architecture, having all this time under their belt, there can't be too much more undiscovered power. MS has already gotten to a low price point. Lowering it more, I don't think, is going to raise the value of it much to consumers. Yes, it will still sell, but it will get weaker and weaker in that department. Especially as more HDTV's are purchased and the PS3 comes down in price. Just my opinion, of course. No crystal ball here.blue_hazy_basic
And yet with no advertising or marketing the PS2 still sells, surely mainly now because its priced so low? (although its back library is vast)

I think that's a good point. But pointing to a Sony product to tell me how a MS product will sell is a bit of a stretch. There's a history with the PS that MS hasn't fully gotten to, yet. IMO
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#196 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] That decision won't be based on power, but most likely's MS's urge to launch a new system first again. They do like short cycles :(. (IMO 4-5 years is too short)PoppaGamer
The Xbox 360 was not launched early out of MS desire for short cycles. It was done because the Xbox was not making much money, and MS wanted to beat the PS3 to market to gain some market share. I think this generation, all three manufacturers would want a long cycle, as will developers.

MS and Sony have lost lots of money, long cycles help re-coop that loss. Ninty is making barrels of money, so they likely want it to continue, and developers are in tight economic times, so I am sure that they would rather not spend time and money learning new systems structures, and would rather code games on what they already know to lessen costs.

But most of what MS can brag about this gen is due to the early start. You don't think they're going to remember that come next go-around? That doesn't mean that they will cut 360 at the 4-5 year mark. But I do think they will cut first.

And Sony is losing the most money. That doesn't mean that the\y will cut the PS3, but they could cut it first to get this gen over with. Either scenario is possible, or maybe Ninty can come in and undercut both, since they have the money to do it. Anything is possible.
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#197 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]I think you both have points. No, it won't be like last gen where MS HAS to leave due to bad deals with bad manufacturers. But I don't see MS being able to squeeze much more juice from the 360 either. Year lead was HUGE in getting sales lead. That time alone isn't happening again this gen. The 360 uses hardware very related to PC. So, with all of the devs familiar with that type of architecture, having all this time under their belt, there can't be too much more undiscovered power. MS has already gotten to a low price point. Lowering it more, I don't think, is going to raise the value of it much to consumers. Yes, it will still sell, but it will get weaker and weaker in that department. Especially as more HDTV's are purchased and the PS3 comes down in price. Just my opinion, of course. No crystal ball here.PoppaGamer
And yet with no advertising or marketing the PS2 still sells, surely mainly now because its priced so low? (although its back library is vast)

I think that's a good point. But pointing to a Sony product to tell me how a MS product will sell is a bit of a stretch. There's a history with the PS that MS hasn't fully gotten to, yet. IMO

I agree, I was just using it as an example of a product hitting a certain price point and still selling incredibly well depsite other better options out there.
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#198 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] The Xbox 360 was not launched early out of MS desire for short cycles. It was done because the Xbox was not making much money, and MS wanted to beat the PS3 to market to gain some market share. I think this generation, all three manufacturers would want a long cycle, as will developers.

MS and Sony have lost lots of money, long cycles help re-coop that loss. Ninty is making barrels of money, so they likely want it to continue, and developers are in tight economic times, so I am sure that they would rather not spend time and money learning new systems structures, and would rather code games on what they already know to lessen costs.SpruceCaboose
But most of what MS can brag about this gen is due to the early start. You don't think they're going to remember that come next go-around? That doesn't mean that they will cut 360 at the 4-5 year mark. But I do think they will cut first.

And Sony is losing the most money. That doesn't mean that the\y will cut the PS3, but they could cut it first to get this gen over with. Either scenario is possible, or maybe Ninty can come in and undercut both, since they have the money to do it. Anything is possible.

With Sony, they have said from the start (and many have laughed) that the PS3 will last 10 years. And with the PS2 still going, I tend to believe it. There is much more to this gen left for them and a prfit could begin to be made. I do think its is likely that Nintendo may cut first to do a HD version or add-on the the Wii. May not be a full cut though, if it is an add-on. Blah, blah, blah, all speculation. Who in the hell really knows?!?
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#199 SpideR_CentS
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To be honest I don't even think sony new line up games will help them. your hardcore gamers who buy real hardware are on the pc. Console gamers are more of casual type of gamers who don't spend big dallars on hardware or games for that matter.

sony is pretty mush done until there is a major price drop, but by then why would a gamer want to buy a ps3 when you have better high thech games on the pc.

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Dude you are clueless. I know I would consider me and my buddys pretty hardcore gamers and we all have, and always have, gamed on consoles. Some people just don't play games on PC. Also your so-called "hardcore" gamers on PC don't spend lots of money on games, they steal them. Also I have like 40 360 games so I guess I spend enough.
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#200 sonny2dap
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Poppa gamer dont make statements about "teh hidden power" its not a case of finding more power in the system its just a case of how the power is used, also consider that halo on the original xbox was a launch title and looked better than anything ever released on ps2, this gen there is no such power gap so any development tricks/advances that come about are likely to result in very little advantages to either console, as always this gen it comes down to price.