Future XBOX ONE owners...

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I find it somewhat amusing that the question is even posed. The Consoles are even closer in terms of power than they were with the PS3/360.

Puckhog04

The difference in power is equivalent to 3.5 xbox 360s. So how are they closer than the PS3 and xbox 360?

Both have 8GB's of Ram and both have 8 core CPU's.

You tell me how that amounts to a "huge differece"...

I'm seriously curious. Because I look up the specs (again...) and that's what I get for both. Only difference is the DDR5 and DDR3 for the most part.

So you're just misinformed. There are big differences in GPU and memory:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

"The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU thats very close to the Radeon HD 7790."

"The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU thats around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU."

"The PS4, with its one, big block of fast RAM, and bigger GPU, probably has the edge."

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] The PS2 had a lack of decent games for about a year. Why didnt anything stop that?Basinboy

Nintendo consoles rely on first party software, unlike Sony consoles.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The difference in power is equivalent to 3.5 xbox 360s. So how are they closer than the PS3 and xbox 360?

SambaLele

Both have 8GB's of Ram and both have 8 core CPU's.

You tell me how that amounts to a "huge differece"...

I'm seriously curious. Because I look up the specs (again...) and that's what I get for both. Only difference is the DDR5 and DDR3 for the most part.

So you're just misinformed. There are big differences in GPU and memory:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

"The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU thats very close to the Radeon HD 7790."

"The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU thats around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU."

"The PS4, with its one, big block of fast RAM, and bigger GPU, probably has the edge."

Using AMD 7790 for xbox ONE GPU comparisons is being insanely generous. The AMD 7790 has a 1.79 TFlop performance. The xbox ONE's GPU is actually weaker than the AMD 7770.

AMD 7770 = 1.28 TF

xbox ONE's GPU = 1.107 TF (1.23 X .9)

So why is the Wii U selling like crap?

There are many factors that influence sales, and power is a big factor along with price point. The Wii had a novel feature that attracted the soccer moms and casuals.

CallOfDutyRulez

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

So why is the Wii U selling like crap?

There are many factors that influence sales, and power is a big factor along with price point. The Wii had a novel feature that attracted the soccer moms and casuals.

2ndWonder

It is the lack of games. The Wii lost out on a lot of 3rd party games and it seems the U is on track to follow its older brother's path.

I doubt having Mario and Zelda is going to make Wii U competitive when it's going to miss out on the next batman, GTA, etc. etc.

For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?ShoTTyMcNaDeS

IF the system sells it stuff will be made.

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?k2theswiss

IF the system sells it stuff will be made.

It's not gonna sell.

The PS4 had more preorders in the first 10 hours than the xbox ONE had in 6 weeks.

I think we might see another PS2 gen on our hands.

comptonst88

Ok big talk lets see who backs it up

Multiplatform games will be the same. 

PS4 first party games will look better, and have more focus on good singleplayer.

Microsoft first party games will be always online because of the cloud focus crap, singleplayer or not.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] The PS2 had a lack of decent games for about a year. Why didnt anything stop that?Basinboy

Nintendo consoles rely on first party software, unlike Sony consoles.

Nintendo's first party titles is the primary selling point for any Nintendo Console. This is fact. Anyone denying this is ignorant. I don't think the PS3 exclusives nor the 360 exclusives have anywhere near as much weight on the Console as the Nintendo exclusives do to Nintendo consoles. That's my opinion...I think the fact that most people here buy a Nintendo Console for Nintendo games is proof enough.

It is the lack of games. The Wii lost out on a lot of 3rd party games and it seems the U is on track to follow its older brother's path.

I doubt having Mario and Zelda is going to make Wii U competitive when it's going to miss out on the next batman, GTA, etc. etc.

CallOfDutyRulez

[QUOTE="Basinboy"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Nintendo consoles rely on first party software, unlike Sony consoles.

Murderstyle75

That was also the first Console to have DVD. That was a HUGE selling point in the beginning. Hell, I know many of my buddies that bought it just for that reason. Not saying that is everyone but, just saying. DVD was a huge selling point. Nintendo is relying on their games. When they come out, sales will increase.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The difference in power is equivalent to 3.5 xbox 360s. So how are they closer than the PS3 and xbox 360?

SambaLele

Both have 8GB's of Ram and both have 8 core CPU's.

You tell me how that amounts to a "huge differece"...

I'm seriously curious. Because I look up the specs (again...) and that's what I get for both. Only difference is the DDR5 and DDR3 for the most part.

So you're just misinformed. There are big differences in GPU and memory:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

"The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU thats very close to the Radeon HD 7790."

"The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU thats around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU."

"The PS4, with its one, big block of fast RAM, and bigger GPU, probably has the edge."

Luckily, I'm buying both. ;)

I was misinformed. I don't really pay attention to specs too much, just what the Console produces. All the games look very good visually IMO so far.

I do still think the question the TC proposed is ridiculous. If developers can put Watch Dogs on the Wii U then there's no reason any other game can't scale up or down.

For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?ShoTTyMcNaDeS

For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?ShoTTyMcNaDeS

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?blackace

No dev is going to bother coding for the cloud except for first party devs.

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Both have 8GB's of Ram and both have 8 core CPU's.

You tell me how that amounts to a "huge differece"...

I'm seriously curious. Because I look up the specs (again...) and that's what I get for both. Only difference is the DDR5 and DDR3 for the most part.

Puckhog04

So you're just misinformed. There are big differences in GPU and memory:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

"The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU thats very close to the Radeon HD 7790."

"The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU thats around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU."

"The PS4, with its one, big block of fast RAM, and bigger GPU, probably has the edge."

Luckily, I'm buying both. ;)

I was misinformed. I don't really pay attention to specs too much, just what the Console produces. All the games look very good visually IMO so far.

I do still think the question the TC proposed is ridiculous. If developers can put Watch Dogs on the Wii U then there's no reason any other game can't scale up or down.

It is completely ridiculous. It's cute to think that devs have that kind of freedom. But it's the publisher who holds the money, and they decide their investments just like any company. They'll consider costs, risks, potencial return, size of the targeted audience, etc.

I'd bet Ensemble Studios would love to be able to make new Age of Empires games for these new, powerful, more-than-next-gen level GPUs that are on the PC market these days, but MS thought it's just not worth their dime and shut them off (this is only an example, as there are plenty from most publishers).

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="SambaLele"]

So you're just misinformed. There are big differences in GPU and memory:

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/156273-xbox-720-vs-ps4-vs-pc-how-the-hardware-specs-compare

"The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU thats very close to the Radeon HD 7790."

"The PS4, in comparison, has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU thats around the same level as the Radeon 7870 (which is significantly more powerful than the 7790). The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU."

"The PS4, with its one, big block of fast RAM, and bigger GPU, probably has the edge."

SambaLele

Luckily, I'm buying both. ;)

I was misinformed. I don't really pay attention to specs too much, just what the Console produces. All the games look very good visually IMO so far.

I do still think the question the TC proposed is ridiculous. If developers can put Watch Dogs on the Wii U then there's no reason any other game can't scale up or down.

It is completely ridiculous. It's cute to think that devs have that kind of freedom. But it's the publisher who holds the money, and they decide their investments just like any company. They'll consider costs, risks, potencial return, size of the targeted audience, etc.

I'd bet Ensemble Studios would love to be able to make new Age of Empires games for these new, powerful, more-than-next-gen level GPUs that are on the PC market these days, but MS thought it's just not worth their dime and shut them off (this is only an example, as there are plenty from most publishers).

True, money powers the world. Publishers decide where games go. I'm guessing all Consoles share a good portion of the games though.

I don't think every developer out there only cares about raw power.

[QUOTE="shinko28"]Must be nice being able to have a conversation with yourself. Microsoft will be known as the biggest flip flopper of the century.ShaineTheNerd

That was weak...like your console.

All I care about is that the Xbox One is so much more powerful than the 360. I doubt the difference in power is enough to make games be exclusive on Ps4.

[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"][QUOTE="shinko28"]Must be nice being able to have a conversation with yourself. Microsoft will be known as the biggest flip flopper of the century.StrongBlackVine

That was weak...like your console.

All I care about is that the Xbox One is so much more powerful than the 360. I doubt the difference in power is enough to make games be exclusive on Ps4.

slipknot0129

shaine do you believe this rumor ???   add 4 gigs to make it 12   and clock uptick?

Lack of Power?  No it's powerful.  Ps4 games and X1 games will look the same.

shaine do you believe this rumor ???   add 4 gigs to make it 12   and clock uptick?

XBOunity

Not really. Since the Xbox One is already in production, I doubt they would be able to go back through and add ram. I heard that the uptick could happen through a patch? Since the Xbox already requires a patch, this could very well happen, I suppose. In wont pretend I know the ins and outs of a GPU, but it seems plausible if it could be done via a patch.

Lack of Power?  No it's powerful.  Ps4 games and X1 games will look the same.

GOGOGOGURT

the cloud offers unparalleled powers that make exclusives like quantum break, titanfall and forza 5 possible. exclusive to the Microsoft Xbox One. 

the cloud offers unparalleled powers that make exclusives like quantum break, titanfall and forza 5 possible. exclusive to the Microsoft Xbox One. 

KarateeeChop

the cloud offers unparalleled powers that make exclusives like quantum break, titanfall and forza 5 possible. exclusive to the Microsoft Xbox One. 

KarateeeChop

[QUOTE="Alucard_Prime"]

Not worried about that in the slightest. Numerous analysts have stated that practically speaking the differences were not big enough to make the differences too noticeable. PS3 is techinically superior to the 360 and that didn't turn out to be a big deal. Also, X1's cloud will be much better than the PS4 one....dedicated servers for all online games is just icing on the cake..while it won't make up for the raw power differences, it may allow a lot of cool things to happen on the X1 that cannot be done on the PS4. 

CallOfDutyRulez

What good are dedicated servers when you can't find anyone else online to play with? :|

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Esfan13"]

I expect there to be at most a 5% difference in performance between the two. The XBox One will only perform slightly better than the PS4. The same situation we had with the 360 and the PS3.

The PS4 will probably have some frame rate issues, but the Sony fans will ignore them.

Esfan13

How can you assume any of that when the systems have similar architecture and the PS4 clearly has the better specs?

Nothing about this is " The same situation we had with the 360 and the PS3."

The PS4 "appears" to have better specs on paper. Real world performance will show that the XBox One design is actually better. Microsoft's PR may suck, but their engineers know what they are doing. This forum is going to be fun when both systems are released.

Real world performance has shown only Killer Instinct running on an actual XBone devkit. Most of what we saw at E3 was running on high end PC's.

OOPS

NEO's architecture > PS4's plus...

:cool:

For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?ShoTTyMcNaDeS

The difference is overblown to the extend of it being a joke.

Am I worried that "down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak"? Absolutely ,unequivocally, not. The PS4 is more powerful than the XB1. The difference is less - far less - than the difference between the PS2 and XBox.

Beyond that - we really don't even know how much more powerful the PS4 is, because there are somethings not answered: how much RAM does the OS use? Does it reserve any cores for OS functions? We know these aswers for XB1. So, the "theoretical" max advantage for the PS4 is unobtainable because no one takes those factors into account. (for instance "teh PS4 has 8 GIGs of RAM!" - it doesn't, because some of that will be resevered for OS functions)

[QUOTE="Esfan13"]

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

How can you assume any of that when the systems have similar architecture and the PS4 clearly has the better specs?

Nothing about this is " The same situation we had with the 360 and the PS3."

Benny_Blakk

The PS4 "appears" to have better specs on paper. Real world performance will show that the XBox One design is actually better. Microsoft's PR may suck, but their engineers know what they are doing. This forum is going to be fun when both systems are released.

Real world performance has shown only Killer Instinct running on an actual XBone devkit. Most of what we saw at E3 was running on high end PC's.

OOPS

I agreed with you until the last part - those "high end PCs" were XB1 dev kits.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

[QUOTE="ShoTTyMcNaDeS"]For those of you who are buying a XBOX ONE at launch or sometime thereafter, I was curious if you are at all afraid that at some point down the road, 3rd party devs may not make games for the X1 because of an apparent lack of "horse power under the hood" so to speak? Or do you think that the the difference in technical specs between the XBOX ONE and PS4 is being way overblown by the Sony fanboys?CallOfDutyRulez

IF the system sells it stuff will be made.

It's not gonna sell.

The PS4 had more preorders in the first 10 hours than the xbox ONE had in 6 weeks.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]

 

IF the system sells it stuff will be made.

 

Alucard_Prime

It's not gonna sell.

The PS4 had more preorders in the first 10 hours than the xbox ONE had in 6 weeks.

1) Right, like scalpers aren't going to target the xbox ONE too... Geez, you're dense.

2) Nobody cares about peripheral gimmicks. I doubt you even care and you're just pretending to like it to justify your bias.

3) The only difference between PSN and xbox LIVE was that LIVE had a few more social features like xgame chat. These features deal with the hardware, not the infrastructure. SONY offered more dedicated servers for their online games than Microsoft has. In fact, you were paying to play on a shitty p2p network. I'll bet my account that ONE gamers will continue to play on laggy servers because Microsoft is too cheap to offer you quality servers. :lol:

4) Do you really think Microsoft is gonna offer you more than Halo and Forza after the first 2 years? Look at this current gen and think about it for a bit.

[QUOTE="Alucard_Prime"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

It's not gonna sell.

The PS4 had more preorders in the first 10 hours than the xbox ONE had in 6 weeks.

CallOfDutyRulez

1) Right, like scalpers aren't going to target the xbox ONE too... Geez, you're dense.

2) Nobody cares about peripheral gimmicks. I doubt you even care and you're just pretending to like it to justify your bias.

3) The only difference between PSN and xbox LIVE was that LIVE had a few more social features like xgame chat. These features deal with the hardware, not the infrastructure. SONY offered more dedicated servers for their online games than Microsoft has. In fact, you were paying to play on a shitty p2p network. I'll bet my account that ONE gamers will continue to play on laggy servers because Microsoft is too cheap to offer you quality servers. :lol:

4) Do you really think Microsoft is gonna offer you more than Halo and Forza after the first 2 years? Look at this current gen and think about it for a bit.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="Alucard_Prime"] That's a meaningless statistic, even if remotely true. I've seen enough Sony fanboys state they pre-ordered several PS4, and some of them in the hopes of re-selling at a profit on auction sites, that's probably why those numbers are higher. Not to mention that in general, Sony fans are more hardcore and eccentric than the other consoles fanboys from what I've seen in the past few months. All they seem to care about is proving their system is superior and will outsell the X1, they are consumed by this, to say the least, and hence I would expect them to be the type of people who pre-order more than X1 buyers. I plan on getting a PS4 at some point, but right now it's a horrible system. There isn't a single exclusive game that looks interesting, and it's just an upgraded PS3, nothing new. They ditched the EYE and barely promote it. The PSN infrastructure will require lots of upgrading until it's barely comparable to that of XBL. I could go on and on, I couldn't care less about the PS4 even if I won it for free in a contest, I would still buy the X1.Alucard_Prime

1) Right, like scalpers aren't going to target the xbox ONE too... Geez, you're dense.

2) Nobody cares about peripheral gimmicks. I doubt you even care and you're just pretending to like it to justify your bias.

3) The only difference between PSN and xbox LIVE was that LIVE had a few more social features like xgame chat. These features deal with the hardware, not the infrastructure. SONY offered more dedicated servers for their online games than Microsoft has. In fact, you were paying to play on a shitty p2p network. I'll bet my account that ONE gamers will continue to play on laggy servers because Microsoft is too cheap to offer you quality servers. :lol:

4) Do you really think Microsoft is gonna offer you more than Halo and Forza after the first 2 years? Look at this current gen and think about it for a bit.

1) Do you have any proof that more scalpers target the PS4 than the xbox ONE or are you just pulling crap out of your ass like most lemmings do?

2) So why is the PS3 outselling the 360? Kinect is garbage and you're the only lemming pathetic enough to defend it.

3)

People hardly talk - The PS4 comes bundled with a mic while the xbox ONE does not.

Online populations drop quickly - Like Halo 4?

The xbox 360 is known for charging to play on a P2P network.

4) Yeah, like the 360 had bioshock and mass effect for the first couple of years. What happened after 2008? That's right. Halo, gears forza year after year.

[QUOTE="Alucard_Prime"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

1) Right, like scalpers aren't going to target the xbox ONE too... Geez, you're dense.

2) Nobody cares about peripheral gimmicks. I doubt you even care and you're just pretending to like it to justify your bias.

3) The only difference between PSN and xbox LIVE was that LIVE had a few more social features like xgame chat. These features deal with the hardware, not the infrastructure. SONY offered more dedicated servers for their online games than Microsoft has. In fact, you were paying to play on a shitty p2p network. I'll bet my account that ONE gamers will continue to play on laggy servers because Microsoft is too cheap to offer you quality servers. :lol:

4) Do you really think Microsoft is gonna offer you more than Halo and Forza after the first 2 years? Look at this current gen and think about it for a bit.

CallOfDutyRulez

1) Do you have any proof that more scalpers target the PS4 than the xbox ONE or are you just pulling crap out of your ass like most lemmings do?

2) So why is the PS3 outselling the 360? Kinect is garbage and you're the only lemming pathetic enough to defend it.

3)

People hardly talk - The PS4 comes bundled with a mic while the xbox ONE does not.

Online populations drop quickly - Like Halo 4?

The xbox 360 is known for charging to play on a P2P network.

4) Yeah, like the 360 had bioshock and mass effect for the first couple of years. What happened after 2008? That's right. Halo, gears forza year after year.

1. The PS3 is outselling the 360 because of Japan. If the 360 was even *remotely* cometitive in Japan, the PS3 would never have come close to catching the 360.
2. The XB1 has a mic - Kinect's mic
3. PS3's online community is spartan compared to XBLive.

Well Xbox One will be the winner if there is any justice in the world, the more I hear about the new Xbox One feature the more excited I get, as well as the best Call Of Duty experience, the most exciting new franchise is coming to Xbox One because it is too powerful for PS4 and after all the PS4 is just a shitty upgraded PS3! PS3 only had one good exclusive which was Uncharted but now Naughty Dog have abandoned Uncharted therefore PS4 will end up having no decent exclusive! Also what if Naughty Dog decided to jump ship to Microsoft? What would Sony have left then!? The future is bright for Xbox One and very dull for PS4!I-AM-N00B

1. The PS3 is outselling the 360 because of Japan. If the 360 was even *remotely* cometitive in Japan, the PS3 would never have come close to catching the 360.
2. The XB1 has a mic - Kinect's mic
3. PS3's online community is spartan compared to XBLive.

StormyJoe

1. You can say the same for the 360? It would have been stomped if it wasn't for the US.

2. Camera mics are not good in both directions. They pick up more background noise and you'll have to buy some headphones as the voice quality dies when you play it through the TV.

3. Spartan?

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="Alucard_Prime"] 1)Of course they will, but probably not as much as they will on the PS4....I remember this also being an issue with the PS3. 2)They do, because otherwise the Kinect wouldn't have sold that much. I have one and I like it, looking forward to Kinect 2.0 ...nothing earth-shattering, but at least MS is trying, Sony is not. 3)That's not what I've hear many dual console owners say about PSN compared to XBL. Not only does PSN lack great features like Cross-game chatting, overall the online experience is sub-par compared to XBL. Apparently people hardly talk, and online populations for games drop very quickly after a games' release. The Playstation is not known for its online prowess, but rather for its single player exclusives like TLOU. 4) They already are, and one of those new games is called TitanFall..... it won nearly every critics choice awards in E3. Anyways, it comes down to a matter of preference in the end....to each his own....I just like to drop my 2 cents here and there when I see comments like the "X1 will not sell. " Maybe the PS4 will outsell it, in the short run, or in the longrun, and good for Sony if they do....I love my PS1 and PS2. StormyJoe

1) Do you have any proof that more scalpers target the PS4 than the xbox ONE or are you just pulling crap out of your ass like most lemmings do?

2) So why is the PS3 outselling the 360? Kinect is garbage and you're the only lemming pathetic enough to defend it.

3)

People hardly talk - The PS4 comes bundled with a mic while the xbox ONE does not.

Online populations drop quickly - Like Halo 4?

The xbox 360 is known for charging to play on a P2P network.

4) Yeah, like the 360 had bioshock and mass effect for the first couple of years. What happened after 2008? That's right. Halo, gears forza year after year.

1. The PS3 is outselling the 360 because of Japan. If the 360 was even *remotely* cometitive in Japan, the PS3 would never have come close to catching the 360.
2. The XB1 has a mic - Kinect's mic
3. PS3's online community is spartan compared to XBLive.

1. The PS3 sells 10,000 weekly in Japan. Take that away and the PS3 would be selling 120,000 weekly worldwide compared to 80,000 for the 360.

2. So 12-year-olds blasting their gangster music on xbox LIVE confirmed.

2. Halo is dead. Forza is dead. Gears of War is dead. CoD will be definitive on the PS4. Time to jump ship.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

1. The PS3 is outselling the 360 because of Japan. If the 360 was even *remotely* cometitive in Japan, the PS3 would never have come close to catching the 360.
2. The XB1 has a mic - Kinect's mic
3. PS3's online community is spartan compared to XBLive.

hoosier7

1. You can say the same for the 360? It would have been stomped if it wasn't for the US.

2. Camera mics are not good in both directions. They pick up more background noise and you'll have to buy some headphones as the voice quality dies when you play it through the TV.

3. Spartan?

1. No, because the PS3 is competitive in the US. The PS3 outsells the 360 9:1 in Japan.
2. Vs the $0.99 headset bundled with the PS4?
3. spartan: marked by self-denial.