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#101  Edited By iandizion713
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@storm_of_swords: Which is exactly what labeling does. People and parents look at that labeling and think...hmm, not for boys. You turn 8 people away from the game...thats 8 people you have dictated their destiny. Its a moral crime.

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The only problem I see here is recommending Life is Strange. What a piece of garb.

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You know what my GF said about Doom? "I can't believe you're playing this kind of crap.* She couldn't see what is so awesome about the game, the framerate, the graphics, the fact that its DOOM, the fact that it's FUN to play, none of that. She does like TW3 (which is pretty cool IMO), Spyro, Mario and some of those stupid Facebook games. I wonder if she'd like Farming Simulator... 17!

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#104  Edited By KOD
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@iandizion713 said:

@storm_of_swords: Which is exactly what labeling does. People and parents look at that labeling and think...hmm, not for boys. You turn 8 people away from the game...thats 8 people you have dictated their destiny. Its a moral crime.

They also know their children or grandchildren and are not so stupid that they cannot apply this. If they have a daughter that loves the NBA, and the NBA game is labeled as boys game, they are not going to say "oh shit, i cant buy that for her", no one is going to say that. No one going to a game store to buy something for themselves, is going to be hindered in that act because of an advertisement or a banner above the game section they are in. What world do you live in where this is how things happen?

I find this such an unreasonable and absurd points made by yourself and some of the other people here. You're attempting to suggest that youre addressing equality and choice and blah blah blah. When the reality is, you cannot even grant people the smallest bit of intelligence or understanding and that maybe, just maybe, they know what theyre doing. That people are so stupid and programmed that this advertisement is going to dictate their lives on this subject. But with you and those who think like you, well you've gotten it figured out right? You have to try to protect the dumb people of the world..... you want to talk about dictating and moral crimes, yet in order to apply what you're attempting to suggest, you have to treat people like they are either toddlers or so mentally handicap that they dont even know what they enjoy... and then btw, demand they follow your view (no matter how absurd it is and how easily we can counter it with facts).... im not sure if you understand what dictating is, but that defines it.

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#105 dynamitecop
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SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

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@kod: NBA would never be labeled a boys game. They arent dictative arseholes. No company advertises their game as a girl or boy game. That would be an idiotic primitive way of thinking.

Your supporting of the Labeling and dictatorship is the real shocker. Why cant you let people decide for themselves? Why must you label and try to dictate their content consumption? Trying to protect your safe space and primitive ego?

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@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

A new president isn't going to stop the easily offended politically correct shit show man. It's here to stay and will only get worse. Ideology doesn't just flip around with a new figure head.

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#108 LJS9502_basic
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It's games. They are gender-less and shouldn't be advertised as though they are.

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#109  Edited By dynamitecop
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@ConanTheStoner said:
@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

A new president isn't going to stop the easily offended politically correct shit show man. It's here to stay and will only get worse. Ideology doesn't just flip around with a new figure head.

I don't actually agree with that, it first really took hold around the time Obama came into office and these people were granted a voice that administrations, businesses, government powers and people at large accepted and had to accept. With a completely different political system in place and conservative ideology being at the forefront again from most people I think it's going to be much more subdued if not entirely reverse itself.

When liberals ran things they accepted and perpetuated this nonsense, people like us don't tolerate it and we hold all the cards now. We have gotten our voice back and I don't see things going favorably for this group of social rejects. All these protests taking place, the incessant whining, the trying to get the election reversed etc, it's all a defense mechanism because they know their show is coming to a close and they're fighting back as liberals do, accomplishing nothing.

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#110  Edited By iandizion713
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@dynamitecop: Liberals lost, youll have to hear Progressives now. Liberals wont help yall either this time. These are some dark times we live in today. Its all out war. You thought 2014-15 was bad...just wait. Liberals have lost control, they passed the torch to Progressives now. Progressives will rain down fury.

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#111  Edited By deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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@storm_of_swords: Which is exactly what labeling does. People and parents look at that labeling and think...hmm, not for boys. You turn 8 people away from the game...thats 8 people you have dictated their destiny. Its a moral crime.

People are not so stupid that they will think that they can't get a product that is marketed towards the other gender. As a man, there are some things that are marketed towards women that I enjoy. For example, The Notebook is pushed as the ultimate chick flick movie, but I still bought the DVD and will admit that I enjoy that movie. I do understand, however, why the movie is pushed more as a chick flick than as a movie for guys and I don't get upset over that because I think it's silly to make a big deal out of an innocent gender generalization like this.

I'm pretty sure that the owners of this site are not trying to turn men away from the games that they are suggesting for women or turn women away from the games that they are suggesting for men. The customer is free to buy whatever game that they want and the owners of the site will gladly take any sale that they can get; they are not trying to "dictate their destiny".

The labels are only intended to be helpful suggestions based on who the product is most likely to appeal to. I know SJWs hate hearing this for some reason, but it is a reality that men and women do have differences and some things are more likely to appeal to one gender more than the other. There are of course always going to be exceptions, but to try to deny that men and women don't have some general differences in interests is absurd.

It's even more absurd to call this a "moral crime". Let's not place an innocent generalization like this in the same category with real moral crimes like murder.

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@storm_of_swords: Yet you think people are so stupid they need a gender label? The Notebook is not advertised as a, this movie is for girls. Its marketed for everyone. You dont go to Target and see a big sign saying, movies for women! Thats primitive thinking. People dont need to be dictated based on gender.

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#113  Edited By deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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@storm_of_swords: Yet you think people are so stupid they need a gender label? The Notebook is not advertised as a, this movie is for girls. Its marketed for everyone. You dont go to Target and see a big sign saying, movies for women! Thats primitive thinking. People dont need to be dictated based on gender.

Have you never seen anybody publish a list of "top movies for guys" or "top movies for women"? I can guarantee that "The Notebook" will always be in the "top movies for women" list and will never appear in the "top movies for guys" list. That doesn't mean that guys can't enjoy it, like I said I'm a guy that enjoys it, but I can admit that the target audience is unquestionably women and I won't get upset over it being classified as a "chick flick". And you would usually find a movie like "Die Hard" in a "top movies for guys" list and never in a "top movies for women" list, but I know women that love "Die Hard" as well, but since they are not SJWs, they can admit that the target audience is men and they won't get upset over it being classified as a "guy movie".

And you are unlikely to see a sign like that in retail stores anymore because of SJWs that would get all offended over it and cause drama over something so completely harmless, but I remember seeing things like "for him" and "for her" sections in stores before PC culture ran amok in our society.

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@kod: NBA would never be labeled a boys game. They arent dictative arseholes. No company advertises their game as a girl or boy game. That would be an idiotic primitive way of thinking.

What?

You're sitting here complaining about an advertisement that does just this and your response to my hypothetical example is to address it as a real example to deny that its happening?

There are plenty of companies that advertise products for boys, girls, men, women, children, adults. Its why you are complaining, is something regularly practiced worldwide and is based on factual consumer demographics that no matter how hard you wish they didnt exist, do exist. You want to suggest its "primitive" but there are facts you simply cannot get around. And the reality is what youre doing is as absurd as libertarians and what they attempt to do (which will be further explained below).

@iandizion713 said:

Your supporting of the Labeling and dictatorship is the real shocker. Why cant you let people decide for themselves? Why must you label and try to dictate their content consumption? Trying to protect your safe space and primitive ego?

Im not supporting anything. Im saying this topic is not a real topic, its not a real thing.

You should probably take one step back and actually look at how far you've had to take your claims in order to pretend its an issue.

If i ask you to factually demonstrate with peer review and proper academic papers the claims you've made, you wont do it because you cannot. That is because this whole topic comes from post-modernist bullshit, which is nothing but nonsense dot connecting that does not exist and avoids academia and scientific peer review as much as it can. Its why those of us in hard sciences tend to laugh at it and make fun when it attempts to hold itself in the same regard as hard sciences.

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Why cant you let people decide for themselves? Why must you label and try to dictate their content consumption?

Again, can you demonstrate either of your suggested claims?

Can you demonstrate that an advertisement saying Game A is a boys game and Game B is a girls game, is preventing the consumer from making a decision to purchase that game? Can you demonstrate someone dictating that they cannot buy the game unless a boy or girl? Can you demonstrate that this ad or related categorizing dictates their consumption at all? Have you even attempted to do this or do you just want to say other people are primitive and you know better than they do? That you are smart enough to have this all figured out but they are so stupid that they will fall for a trap thats not even a trap.

The problem you face is that not only have you not demonstrated anything, you have not even attempted to demonstrate anything and a bigger problem is that you cannot demonstrate anything youve said. What youve said about topic is fully reliant on what amounts to a subjective coffee table conversation, when we can do better than that.

There are even fields in academia dedicated to actually studying and collecting data on this topic and they say the opposite of what you're saying........ so if you're not going to cite qualified people and studies, and you're not even going to make an argument you fully outline what is happening and why... why do you expect people to buy it?

EDIT:

Oh shit, the libertarian thing. I totally forgot to add that. Okay, lets clarify what i meant really quick. Libertarians tend to take this basic ideology of ultimate freedom and stretch it to the branches of government and business and places that it really does not fit. It may be reasonable and have merit when it comes to an individual and their own house (with reasonable and expected limitations) and maybe a little bit beyond that. But you cant really take it further as it becomes very ridiculous and silly when its attempted.

What youre doing is no different. Youre taking a general idea and concept and attempting to expand it and apply it in ways that not only dont make sense but cannot be demonstrated. And even without this, the only way you can get there is through extremely hyperbolic means that i personally would be embarrassed by if i made a claim in said manner.

The worst part of and most insulting aspect of what you are saying (and libertarians as well) is its fully reliant on this idea you have that everyone else is just stupid, that they are primitive cavemen. You dumb people down as much as you can, and then make your argument and in doing so this covers the people who would fall for the labeling and the people who are saying youre full of shit. When the reality is you're opposing academia and everything we know on these subjects and instead of opposing it with information and data of your own, you are opposing it with "because i say so". So if you want to label someone (funny how you dont take issues with labels when its you doing it) being primitive and not too bright on a subject.... look in the mirror.

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#115  Edited By KOD
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@iandizion713 said:

@storm_of_swords: Yet you think people are so stupid they need a gender label? The Notebook is not advertised as a, this movie is for girls. Its marketed for everyone. You dont go to Target and see a big sign saying, movies for women! Thats primitive thinking. People dont need to be dictated based on gender.

So once again youve failed to understand why the ad exists.

Its for people shopping for boys, girls, men, women, who may want a game, but may not know exactly what they want. So the ad attempts to make it a bit easier and they do so through very proven and studied consumer demographics. This is not that hard for you to grasp and is definitely not the hyperbolic bullshit youre coming with. No one, in the history of the world, knew what they were buying but saw that in an ad it was suggested as a boys gift and then decided, based on that, to not buy it.

Anyway, i was going to leave it at that until you edited your post and added that Target comment.

I could literally (and i mean, literally) post these ads all night long and from nearly every single retailer you can think of. What really amazes me is how you claim to be, what? 34, yet this is foreign to you when most of us, cannot escape these ads if we wanted to. Ads designed for every single possible demographic in America, its simply called targeted advertising and is nothing but an advertisement. Its not an alien coming down and forcing you to buy or not buy these products based on being a girl, boy, mom, dad, male, female, lesbian, homosexual, dog, cat, piece of wood, animated corpse.......

And of course if youve ever worked in business or advertising you will understand why they exist and well... quite frankly you would not be making the arguments you are currently making. Then again maybe you would because you have to be a pretty ridiculous person to take these claims to the level you have. Honestly i really feel like giving you a standing ovation as its pretty hard to find people as disconnected with reality as you have demonstrated.

P.S. The "destination dad" in store ad. is taken inside a SEARS. Im willing to bet if you wanted to do some searching you would find plenty of things like that, in Targets. And not to treat your hypothetical as anything other than, the point is that we see these in probably every single store you can go to in America and they exist because of a targeted advertising, attempting to advertise products to the largest group of people who will be most likely to purchase them. I really feel like we are simply repeating page one of business and adverting 101 over and over and over.

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#116  Edited By iandizion713
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@kod: The ad helps dictate what they want. Its a primitive form of thinking. The games are not made for men nor advertised for men. The games are meant for everyone. Companies either get with the times, or get left behind.

People shouldnt get butthurt others want change and to progress into a more gender-less society. We will tear down these walls, deal with it.

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@iandizion713 said:

@kod: The ad helps dictate what they want. Its a primitive form of thinking.

See the last paragraph of the first response above. Or since i suspect you didnt even pay attention.. here..

The worst part of and most insulting aspect of what you are saying (and libertarians as well) is its fully reliant on this idea you have that everyone else is just stupid, that they are primitive cavemen. You dumb people down as much as you can, and then make your argument and in doing so this covers the people who would fall for the labeling and the people who are saying youre full of shit. When the reality is you're opposing academia and everything we know on these subjects and instead of opposing it with information and data of your own, you are opposing it with "because i say so". So if you want to label someone (funny how you dont take issues with labels when its you doing it) being primitive and not too bright on a subject.... look in the mirror.

Why do you keep doing this? Why are you so reliant on this?

@iandizion713 said:

Companies either get with the times, or get left behind.

And as established there is no moving forward here... there is no being "left behind", this is a practice every single retailer does regularly and we see zero signs of it slowing down. The reason being is its the best form of advertising. But once again, repeating myself over and over and over on these responses because you just cant seem to get it. The issue seems to be that you're attempting to apply something to a subject it does not apply to... you're trying to put the square in the circle. You keep bashing it hoping that it will fit and telling everyone it fits, but we are not blind and not as stupid as you want to think we are, and we can clearly see it does not fit.

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People shouldnt get butthurt others want change and to progress into a more gender-less society. We will tear down these walls, deal with it.

Classic. The final lines of someone with a failed argument. See paragraph 2.

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@kod: I did read it, its more mumbo jumbo trying to make excuses. Reread my post above and get with the times sunshine. We fight for a gender-less society, not some old primitive caveman society. You dont like progress? Go cry us a river in your safe space, progress could care less.

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@Epak_ said:

You know what my GF said about Doom? "I can't believe you're playing this kind of crap.* She couldn't see what is so awesome about the game, the framerate, the graphics, the fact that its DOOM, the fact that it's FUN to play, none of that. She does like TW3 (which is pretty cool IMO), Spyro, Mario and some of those stupid Facebook games. I wonder if she'd like Farming Simulator... 17!

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@clone01 said:

Why aren't you banned yet?

I am 100% convinced by the theory that this site is keeping around it's hardcore shitposters because their redesign dropped the forum traffic hard. So short of specific personal attacks or porn, they'll pretty much let any old shitposting fly. Which is why we'll have to endure the likes of Sniper, zeeshan, pray to me, casharmy, and TGR for as long as this forum exists, no matter how terrible and cancerous every single one of their posts is.

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@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

Again, who says you have to be political SJW PC liberal in order to dislike this shit, I am no lowlife Social Justice warrior, but that doesn't mean I support this crap. I know plenty of females who like to play violent games, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to waste her time with playing barbie or playing some kitchen cleaning simulator because someone says so. I would want her to play the games that are most fun to play for her.

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#122 mjorh
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This is great marketing tho :D i mean it brings up discussions related to sexism and stuff and boom! more ppl know about you

@ConanTheStoner said:

Ghosts, I pray that you're actually this stupid in real life. Would be a shame if you were just trolling.

With the deepest respect of course, my friend.

Lmao, *chuckles*

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@kod: I did read it, its more mumbo jumbo trying to make excuses. Reread my post above and get with the times sunshine. We fight for a gender-less society, not some old primitive caveman society. You dont like progress? Go cry us a river in your safe space, progress could care less.

You might be fighting for this, and the people who surround you might be, but most of the world is not. At least not in the way you seem to want to. The rest of us are smart enough to know the difference between gender discrimination at a job and this topic that you have yet to demonstrate is anything more than a work of fiction in your head. Although that is granting you a bit too much credit as i know you did not come up with this nonsense, you're simply repeating it. Its why you cannot answer the questions i ask, cannot draw conclusions on your own, cannot respond to peer review and well.... you seem to be completely unknowing on the topic in general. You can recite the basics and that is about it.

And btw, stop trying to suggest other people are using "safe spaces" when you cannot handle something like this. Also, what youre suggesting is not progressive at all. Lets stop pretending you're a guru of progressive ideas, you only decided to latch on to it once your ideas failed in the election less than a month ago and so far youve been extremely misdirected in what you think is progressive ideas. Sadly i see the future and the future of progressives looks like it will continue to be hurt by people like you.

See Ian, ive noticed that in every conversation we have where you attempt to argue with myself and a few other people. You are confronted with telling us how you feel and as a response you are given demonstrations, scholarly citations and sources, information and data, things that actually prove my point or our point and disprove yours. But for some reason you continue to say things like "i read your mumbo jumbo". when that mumbo jumbo is actual factual information and not us telling you how we feel. Part of being a progressive, a big part of being progressive, is recognizing reality and understanding that and why scholarly work holds value to us. Its a pretty big part of being a progressive, its why we are able to call BS on the democrats and your candidate, and on the republicans and their candidate and why we can easily dismantle most political parties and people and address social ideas with things based in fact. We value these most of all because progressivism in America was born on Campus because people started noticing that political and social ideas did not match the studies and the reality. So we valued reality over narrative, something you really need to learn how to do if you want to continue to consider yourself a progressive. Because right now, youre not. You're what was wonderfully termed but now overused and improperly used, a regressive. Someone posing as a progressive but presenting disproved ideas and taking a narrative over facts.

So to continue my onslaught of your nonsense that you decide to defend with "because this is what i think", something as laughably stupid as anything libertarians or neocon's can come up with, i will now start posting scholarly work and peer reviews on this subject. Something that if your argument had an ounce of credibility, you yourself would be able to do....but you wont because you cant.

https://research.aalto.fi/en/publications/gender-and-green-consumerism(71e680e5-1bc7-49e5-9b95-f59e27c4788e).html

https://www.ericsson.com/assets/local/networked-society/commerce-reports/infograph-ericsson-consumer-evolution.pdf

https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/evolution-of-buying-infographic#sm.00011df6x814zhd6jwrvyp2pd3e1h

https://books.google.com/books/about/Spent.html?id=j4x5P0-ufwMC

And as a bonus read that you will never actually read. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160715112715.htm

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@Vaasman said:
@clone01 said:

Why aren't you banned yet?

I am 100% convinced by the theory that this site is keeping around it's hardcore shitposters because their redesign dropped the forum traffic hard. So short of specific personal attacks or porn, they'll pretty much let any old shitposting fly. Which is why we'll have to endure the likes of Sniper, zeeshan, pray to me, casharmy, and TGR for as long as this forum exists, no matter how terrible and cancerous every single one of their posts is.

Haha. Yeah, you might be right. Also, don't forget eltormo and texasgoldrush in that list of shitstains.

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@DragonfireXZ95 said:
@thehig1 said:

@DragonfireXZ95: there always been things that appeal predominantly to men and things that appeal predominantly to women.

It's just a stereotype that on average the content in sims is more likely to appeal to women rather than men.

I guess I don't know where that stereotype came from. Do you know the origins?

Sales and retailers/publishers noticing who's buying what.

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@thepclovingguy said:
@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

Again, who says you have to be political SJW PC liberal in order to dislike this shit, I am no lowlife Social Justice warrior, but that doesn't mean I support this crap. I know plenty of females who like to play violent games, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to waste her time with playing barbie or playing some kitchen cleaning simulator because someone says so. I would want her to play the games that are most fun to play for her.

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

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#127  Edited By KOD
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@SolidTy said:
@DragonfireXZ95 said:
@thehig1 said:

@DragonfireXZ95: there always been things that appeal predominantly to men and things that appeal predominantly to women.

It's just a stereotype that on average the content in sims is more likely to appeal to women rather than men.

I guess I don't know where that stereotype came from. Do you know the origins?

Sales and retailers/publishers noticing who's buying what.

More specifically its actually evolutionary consumerism. Male and female biology tells them to be attracted to certain types of things. Its nothing more than another form of attraction and a similar process we use when choosing mates or friends. I posted some peer review on the subject in a post above if youre interested.

Here is a solid video that quickly sums a lot of it up.

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And here is a more in depth talk.

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#128  Edited By iandizion713
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@SolidTy said:
@DragonfireXZ95 said:
@thehig1 said:

@DragonfireXZ95: there always been things that appeal predominantly to men and things that appeal predominantly to women.

It's just a stereotype that on average the content in sims is more likely to appeal to women rather than men.

I guess I don't know where that stereotype came from. Do you know the origins?

Sales and retailers/publishers noticing who's buying what.

They dont really know whos buying, theyre trying to dictate who buys it with primitive marketing. Its hey, your a guy, buy this shat. Be manly!

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#129  Edited By KOD
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@sSubZerOo said:

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

Its crazy how far from reality people have to go in order to find issues with this.

As i tried to explain to Ian, its merely an ad designed to help people make gift decisions when they may not know exactly what their child or grandchild may want. It in no way hinders anyone from buying anything, it in no way attempts to change a consumers mind on something, its nothing but suggestive sales for confused people who is shopping for someone else.

They are doing exactly what Jon Stewart tried to warn people about, bullshit mountain. And you can always smell bullshit with how people use language. When they start using words like "dictating" or phrases like "because someone says so". When you start seeing things like this its really time to start evaluating what is said, because in many cases these sentences and phrases will be hyperbolic or misused. The examples in this thread are both. And relying on hyperbole is a classic sign of unknowing, immaturity and irrational behavior and arguments.

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Congratulations Ian, you're on par with Fox News.

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#130  Edited By KOD
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@iandizion713 said:

They dont really know whos buying, theyre trying to dictate who buys it with primitive marketing. Its hey, your a guy, buy this shat. Be manly!

There's that wall you are constantly running in to.

That wall where you get confused on the difference between something not existing and you not knowing or in the case of this topic, not caring to know. Where even when the information is spoon fed to you, you cant seem to comprehend or grasp its reality. You'd rather keep the narrative that its "primitive" than understand how complex, specific, advanced and effective targeted consumerism is and the simple fact that every retailer takes advantage of these facts and practices these things. Whats even funnier is you dont quite grasp that even if gender vanished on this topic, it would simply be replaced with another demographic type in an attempt to target as many potential consumers as possible.

I know you dont care about data and facts and the reality is i could post the Art of War and you would not know that i did because the only thing youve demonstrated is a willingness to never acknowledge that you could be wrong, but i will continue to post scholarly work and peer review on this subject and you will continue to be unable to address any of it and simply tell us how you feel on a subject that you're actively being proven wrong in.

Citations and Sources:

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1409494373

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=026269364X

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0816666105

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0719056764

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0874136121

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0814781314

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=1134595174

-Essential Facts About the Canadian Computer and Video Game Industry. Entertainment Software Association of Canada, 2011.

-Williams, Dmitri et al. The virtual census: representations of gender, race and age in video games. New Media & Society, August 2009.

-Chorost, Michael. “How I kicked my addiction to the iPhone game Angry Birds.” Psychology Today, January 4 2011.

-Olson, Cheryl K. and Lawrence A. Kutner. Factors Correlated with Violent Video Game Use by Adolescent Boys and Girls. Journal of Adolescent Health 4(1), July 2007.

Of course all of this information is available to you with a quick five second search and then 2 minutes of reading, but you choose not to do this because you like the narrative you have created over the reality of the subject. Hey Ian, you know what progressives dont do? They dont intentionally spread lies and knowingly incorrect information. So either recognize that your ideas are wrong and dont match with reality... humble yourself for one goddamn second. Or stop considering yourself a progressive and take on the label of neo-democrat because that is what you really seem to be. What you are doing, the thought process you're using of determining a position and then never adjusting it according to the data, combating this is why progressives exist. Having a progressive mindset means you challenge thought processes as much as individual ideas. which is this massive and very important part of the equation that you have demonstrated is completely missing from your comprehension tools. And us progressives tend to distance ourselves from people like you, because of this lack of cohesion and comprehension.

The very first sentence you said, you really need to take a look at and think about for longer than a second and ask yourself if you actually think that in a country based on consumerism and the most effective form of consumerism the world has ever seen, that people are unknowing and simply confused, yet some how all the factual data says the exact opposite of what youre touting. Actually i have a question... How do you do this? How do you knowingly dismiss the overwhelming information and evidence against this narrative that you take, where you respond to cited scholarly facts and peer review with two or three sentences where you dont actually say anything aside from suggesting everyone else but you is stupid? How do you manage to do this and how does it not bother you? How are you not interested in correcting yourself? In ensuring you are touting accurate and factual information? Ive asked conservatives and the religious right this and they are never able to respond.... well..... Can you respond? Can you justify doing this in some rational way that i might not be thinking of?

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They dont really know whos buying,

This is the dumbest thing you could have said. Companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars for this information and to research it. As a result, we've again, seen the most effective and accurate form of advertising and consumerism the world has ever seen. My real question here is.... where have you been? How are you online and unaware of this? Better yet, how are you above the age of six and unaware of this? Did you never take any economics classes? Business? Ethics? Advertising? One of these classes that's a requirement for anyone graduating grade school? Have you never worked for a company that advertises? Do you have any real world experience at all? For anything... school, work, walking down the sidewalk, searching the internet, social media, do you have experience in the real world at all? I ask because the comments you make and the arguments you continue, really seem like you are entirely void of it.

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@kod: They still don't really know, theyre just guessing. They target advertising to try and dictate your purchases.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@thepclovingguy said:
@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

Again, who says you have to be political SJW PC liberal in order to dislike this shit, I am no lowlife Social Justice warrior, but that doesn't mean I support this crap. I know plenty of females who like to play violent games, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to waste her time with playing barbie or playing some kitchen cleaning simulator because someone says so. I would want her to play the games that are most fun to play for her.

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

So you have to be a hardcore racist national conservative in order not to be an sjws. You are guys are no better than the extreme liberal left. I am not a feminist nor a self righteous social justice warrior, just a person with common sense who believe that female gamers can enjoy violent games as much as male gamers. Stereotyping women is wrong, just as it is wrong to pretend as if every white hetero sexual male is inherently evil. At the end of the day you are no better than those sjws you love to talk so much about. Both of you believe in fantasy stereotypes.

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@iandizion713 said:

@kod: They still don't really know, theyre just guessing. They target advertising to try and dictate your purchases.

Actually, they do know. There's scientific research on this kind of stuff:

http://usabilitynews.org/video-games-males-prefer-violence-while-females-prefer-social/

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#134  Edited By iandizion713
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@pyratrum: That's a silly survey that polls a small amount of people. Don't fall for that weak shat.

And no, companies don't really know. People buy stuff for other people all the time.

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@thepclovingguy said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@thepclovingguy said:
@dynamitecop said:

SJW PC liberals can't just let harmless things be, you people are the scourge of human existence and your 8 years of terror is coming to an end.

Again, who says you have to be political SJW PC liberal in order to dislike this shit, I am no lowlife Social Justice warrior, but that doesn't mean I support this crap. I know plenty of females who like to play violent games, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to waste her time with playing barbie or playing some kitchen cleaning simulator because someone says so. I would want her to play the games that are most fun to play for her.

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

So you have to be a hardcore racist national conservative in order not to be an sjws. You are guys are no better than the extreme liberal left. I am not a feminist nor a self righteous social justice warrior, just a person with common sense who believe that female gamers can enjoy violent games as much as male gamers. Stereotyping women is wrong, just as it is wrong to pretend as if every white hetero sexual male is inherently evil. At the end of the day you are no better than those sjws you love to talk so much about. Both of you believe in fantasy stereotypes.

I'm not a conservative buddy, I am a liberal... Oh I see stereotyping the women in this ad is bad, but it is completely fine for the men? Its a freaking AD.. You must loose your shit when ever you see a kids commercials in which a bunch of boys are firing nerf guns or a bunch of girls are playing Barbie. This is a SUGGESTIVE ad, fantasy stereotypes? Neither of us were even suggesting that women can't enjoy a certain type a game or vice versa.. Merely pointing out that it's a trivial matter.. Do you flip your shit when all make up commercials have only women in them? Could it be because their biggest customer base is in fact women? Even then no where do these ads suggest the opposite sex can not use them or should not use them.

So yes you sound like a SJW.. Making ridiculous conclusions based around a trivial suggestive ad that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.. No where does this ad say that men or women can't enjoy or want the other category..

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@iandizion713 said:

@pyratrum: That's a silly survey that polls a small amount of people. Don't fall for that weak shat.

And no, companies don't really know. People buy stuff for other people all the time.

A peer reviewed study in a scientific journal, “Examining the Role of Gender in Video Game Usage, Preference, and Behavior” in the Proceedings of the Human Factors and Ergonomic Society, Boston, MA 2012., is not a "silly poll."

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@pyratrum said:
@iandizion713 said:

@kod: They still don't really know, theyre just guessing. They target advertising to try and dictate your purchases.

Actually, they do know. There's scientific research on this kind of stuff:

http://usabilitynews.org/video-games-males-prefer-violence-while-females-prefer-social/

Actually, what I gather from that poll is that women who game split their interests fairly evenly between violent and non-violent games, whereas men overwhelming prefer violent games. Why so angry, gents? :P

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#138  Edited By iandizion713
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@pyratrum: It's still a silly survey from a small pool of people.

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Comforting to know this thread was every bit a shitshow that I expected it to be.

We have enough trouble trying to talk about video games in a way that's civil and knowledgable. Anything outside this spectrum goes nuclear fast.

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@pyratrum said:
@iandizion713 said:

@pyratrum: That's a silly survey that polls a small amount of people. Don't fall for that weak shat.

And no, companies don't really know. People buy stuff for other people all the time.

A peer reviewed study in a scientific journal, “Examining the Role of Gender in Video Game Usage, Preference, and Behavior” in the Proceedings of the Human Factors and Ergonomic Society, Boston, MA 2012., is not a "silly poll."

No clearly these companies with large marketing teams pull this crap out of their ass.... I mean why are mascara commercials always involve women and never men? I mean they act like their largest customer base for beauty make up are women, can you believe it?

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@sSubZerOo: They still don't fully know who buys there products. Could be different genders or different ages, theyre just guessing and trying to dictate who buys it. Men are already starting to put oils on their face and hair parts. Time are changing.

Soon even makeup will become genderless. Even men are starting to put oil on their body and hair. Times are changing and society will continue to evolve and progress.

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@sSubZerOo: They still don't fully know who buys there products. Could be different genders or different ages, theyre just guessing and trying to dictate who buys it.

Soon even makeup will become genderless.

Ok.. Since we have now come to the conclusion that writing in a ad is in fact dictating the actions of people.. Can you please make a fist with your right hand and punch your self in the face as hard as you can... That wasn't a suggestion I am dictating your very actions, forcing you to do it. Make up is already genderless you fool.. BUT WOMEN happen to be the biggest consumer of them, hence why the ads are targeted towards WOMEN... You think the sales person is going to refuse you buying mascara because it has the picture of a woman on the package?

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@sSubZerOo: Again, read my post above, your boring me.

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@sSubZerOo: Again, read my post above, your boring me.

Man you still haven't punched your self in the face yet? Weird its like it was a suggestion that has absolutely NO power over how you decide your actions.. Much like this ad. And btw it's you're.

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@sSubZerOo: In your opinion. But that's cool.

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@sSubZerOo: In your opinion. But that's cool.

So are you saying that you punched your self in the face because I told you to?

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@sSubZerOo said:
@thepclovingguy said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@thepclovingguy said:

Again, who says you have to be political SJW PC liberal in order to dislike this shit, I am no lowlife Social Justice warrior, but that doesn't mean I support this crap. I know plenty of females who like to play violent games, if I had a daughter I wouldn't want her to waste her time with playing barbie or playing some kitchen cleaning simulator because someone says so. I would want her to play the games that are most fun to play for her.

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

So you have to be a hardcore racist national conservative in order not to be an sjws. You are guys are no better than the extreme liberal left. I am not a feminist nor a self righteous social justice warrior, just a person with common sense who believe that female gamers can enjoy violent games as much as male gamers. Stereotyping women is wrong, just as it is wrong to pretend as if every white hetero sexual male is inherently evil. At the end of the day you are no better than those sjws you love to talk so much about. Both of you believe in fantasy stereotypes.

I'm not a conservative buddy, I am a liberal... Oh I see stereotyping the women in this ad is bad, but it is completely fine for the men? Its a freaking AD.. You must loose your shit when ever you see a kids commercials in which a bunch of boys are firing nerf guns or a bunch of girls are playing Barbie. This is a SUGGESTIVE ad, fantasy stereotypes? Neither of us were even suggesting that women can't enjoy a certain type a game or vice versa.. Merely pointing out that it's a trivial matter.. Do you flip your shit when all make up commercials have only women in them? Could it be because their biggest customer base is in fact women? Even then no where do these ads suggest the opposite sex can not use them or should not use them.

So yes you sound like a SJW.. Making ridiculous conclusions based around a trivial suggestive ad that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.. No where does this ad say that men or women can't enjoy or want the other category..

You are an idiot if you believe that I find sexism against men acceptable, men in general have to serve far longer and harder prison sentences than women as well as the fact a man's life isn't valued as much as a woman's life in modern society, sexism exist as well and I think its wrong just as I think its wrong to create a false image about female gamers. Even if its a suggestive ad its still damaging, kids are easy to manipulate and a commercial can be just as dangerous to a child like religion. Both are supposed to convince the child in believing something that generally based on misconceptions.

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So you wanna base things on presumption and stereotypes. So do you want men who are falsely accused of rape to be declared guilty without a fair trial since the majority of rape claims turn out to be true. Sorry, but your logic is flawed.

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@pyratrum said:
@iandizion713 said:

@kod: They still don't really know, theyre just guessing. They target advertising to try and dictate your purchases.

Actually, they do know. There's scientific research on this kind of stuff:

http://usabilitynews.org/video-games-males-prefer-violence-while-females-prefer-social/

Actually, what I gather from that poll is that women who game split their interests fairly evenly between violent and non-violent games, whereas men overwhelming prefer violent games. Why so angry, gents? :P

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@thepclovingguy said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@thepclovingguy said:
@sSubZerOo said:

... Claims he isn't a SJW, acts exactly like one.,. This is a random suggestive ad, in no way does it make any one say they can't play one or the other.. Can't believe people are this freaking bothered by this..

So you have to be a hardcore racist national conservative in order not to be an sjws. You are guys are no better than the extreme liberal left. I am not a feminist nor a self righteous social justice warrior, just a person with common sense who believe that female gamers can enjoy violent games as much as male gamers. Stereotyping women is wrong, just as it is wrong to pretend as if every white hetero sexual male is inherently evil. At the end of the day you are no better than those sjws you love to talk so much about. Both of you believe in fantasy stereotypes.

I'm not a conservative buddy, I am a liberal... Oh I see stereotyping the women in this ad is bad, but it is completely fine for the men? Its a freaking AD.. You must loose your shit when ever you see a kids commercials in which a bunch of boys are firing nerf guns or a bunch of girls are playing Barbie. This is a SUGGESTIVE ad, fantasy stereotypes? Neither of us were even suggesting that women can't enjoy a certain type a game or vice versa.. Merely pointing out that it's a trivial matter.. Do you flip your shit when all make up commercials have only women in them? Could it be because their biggest customer base is in fact women? Even then no where do these ads suggest the opposite sex can not use them or should not use them.

So yes you sound like a SJW.. Making ridiculous conclusions based around a trivial suggestive ad that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.. No where does this ad say that men or women can't enjoy or want the other category..

You are an idiot if you believe that I find sexism against men acceptable, men in general have to serve far longer and harder prison sentences than women as well as the fact a man's life isn't valued as much as a woman's life in modern society, sexism exist as well and I think its wrong just as I think its wrong to create a false image about female gamers. Even if its a suggestive ad its still damaging, kids are easy to manipulate and a commercial can be just as dangerous to a child like religion. Both are supposed to convince the child in believing something that generally based on misconceptions.

... We aren't talking about real concerns like that we are talking about freaking ads.. Specifically a G2A ad in which by and large ADULTS are going to be looking at it.. So adults are children now? Furthermore parents can allow their children to watch the ads or not.. Its their choice.. Stop treating people like children.. No one is forcing you to watch these ads, and parents can decide what their children view or not.. You are getting hung up on so much nothing it's painful, you than bring up real issues and some how act like they are equivalent.. THEY ARE NOT.