Gabe Newell: PS3 "a waste of everybody's time"

judging from the poor sales, i'd say he was right....

the cell and bluray have shown no benefit to gaming and in fact, given the huge amount of delays, appears to be a hindrance..

oh well...it's not a total suprise...

i'm just glad someone (a legend no less) had the cajones to say what really needed to be said...

I dev hating on something thats hard to dev for?

Is there any wonder? Game development is already hard, sony just decided to continue its tradition of hard to develop for consoles, took awhile to get use to the psone and the ps2 but hey eventually they figure it out. Valve like many companies want friendly environments to work with that don't take them the whole game development cycle to figure out and get working smoothly, the console already been stated from many sources to be a pain in the butt, complaining won't change it, only dev tools will.

they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Ragashahs

Epic is getting paid by sony to make the UT3 engine work better for the PS3 and make it easier to make games with it ;) It isn't a matter of epic seems to like it, more they don't want to lose the money they are getting to make it developer friendly to PS3.

they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Ragashahs

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

judging from the poor sales, i'd say he was right....

the cell and bluray have shown no benefit to gaming and in fact, given the huge amount of delays, appears to be a hindrance..

oh well...it's not a total suprise...

i'm just glad someone (a legend no less) had the cajones to say what really needed to be said...

tango90101

Yes, who would ever want uncompressed games!

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Pablo_Aimar

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

the guy is a m$ fanboy, just google his past. Orange boxis mostly last-gen games and Resistance a launch game looksas good as portal. the guy talks trash and cant even get a last gen engine working lol.

LOL..this is Gabe Newell the guy who worked for Microsoft for 13 years before he finally broke off and funded his own company with another MS employee.

Also if I recall, he was not a fan of the PS2 as well and we all know how "horrible" the PS2 was. Lets just except the fact this guy loves making PC games and the 360 deving system is like making games for a PC so its perfect for him. His opinion means squat. And of course he will say that the Orange Box on the PS3 wont run as well as the PC and 360, could that be because EA are the ones doing it and not him. SO basically he is saying, nobody can port HL like I can.

[QUOTE="Pablo_Aimar"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.killzowned24

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

the guy is a m$ fanboy, just google his past. Orange boxis mostly last-gen games and Resistance a launch game looksas good as portal. the guy talks trash and cant even get a last gen engine working lol.

While you were googling his past, did you notice he bashes VISTA every single chance he gets? He hates Vista and DX10 even more than the PS3. Microsoft definitely is not thrilled to hear one of the biggest pc game developers telling everyone to avoid DX10 and Vista.

Oh and by the way, Resistance is *a joke* compared to Orange Box. Even the gimped PS3 Orange Box will put Resistance to shame.

Also if I recall, he was not a fan of the PS2 as well and we all know how "horrible" the PS2 was. Javy03

To develop for? Yeah, it was. The reasons it did so well was it had an extremely competitive price, an early launch and a massive userbase which led to developer support in spite of its flaws. The PS3 has none of these advantages.

Lets just except the fact this guy loves making PC games and the 360 deving system is like making games for a PC so its perfect for him. His opinion means squat. And of course he will say that the Orange Box on the PS3 wont run as well as the PC and 360, could that be because EA are the ones doing it and not him. SO basically he is saying, nobody can port HL like I can.

Javy03

So why isn't he criticising the 360 port if he's so concerned about maintaing his image as the only one who can port his games? And why is your opinion (that his opinion means squat) more valuable than his?

I understand what he means, although unsure whether I agree or not. He's basically saying that "experience" gained from learning the PS3 architecture only benefits the PS3, where as a PC dev making a 360 game could take that multi-core experience with them to a PC platform.

Wasn't John Carmack that said the same thing? He chose 360 as Id's primary console platform because it was a head start on Multi-Core processors and a close representation of what future PC platforms would be like.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Pablo_Aimar

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

No, he said it'd be harder to get the version up to the standard of the PC and 360 versions. He doesn't want anything to do with the PS3, that's why EA developed the port, and not Valve. I say more power to him. He's right, in that the Cell and all that crap have no business being inside of a games system.

He is saying it's a waste because it's a little harder to develop for? That is pretty silly. Just make the games and let the consumers decide what is or isn't a waste.

I understand what he means, although unsure whether I agree or not. He's basically saying that "experience" gained from learning the PS3 architecture only benefits the PS3, where as a PC dev making a 360 game could take that multi-core experience with them to a PC platform.

Wasn't John Carmack that said the same thing? He chose 360 as Id's primary console platform because it was a head start on Multi-Core processors and a close representation of what future PC platforms would be like.

Blue-Sky

Basically CPU are going the whole multi-core route so gaining experience in using and developing for them is more useful then the PS3 cell which is basically useless cause its design is unique to it and not used in other CPU designs. Basically there saying you should work with the hardware thats going to be used in the future instead of something thats going to be useless in 10years.

He is saying it's a waste because it's a little harder to develop for? That is pretty silly. Just make the games and let the consumers decide what is or isn't a waste.

Chutebox

I don't think you realize the radical difference between the CPU designs of the cell compared to the multi-core standard, cell is completely unique in CPU design it has no counter part (that I know of).

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Pablo_Aimar"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.SecretNuAccount

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

the guy is a m$ fanboy, just google his past. Orange boxis mostly last-gen games and Resistance a launch game looksas good as portal. the guy talks trash and cant even get a last gen engine working lol.

While you were googling his past, did you notice he bashes VISTA every single chance he gets? He hates Vista and DX10 even more than the PS3. Microsoft definitely is not thrilled to hear one of the biggest pc game developers telling everyone to avoid DX10 and Vista.

Oh and by the way, Resistance is *a joke* compared to Orange Box. Even the gimped PS3 Orange Box will put Resistance to shame.

the guy worked for them clearly he is bias to m$.

meh, portal is the best they can do.

sony deserve more of these kind of comments.;)marklarmer

Based on what? I like it. You dont have a PS3. You should do something productive with your time, perhaps call MS support and see when your refurbished 360 is coming back so you can play halo.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I understand what he means, although unsure whether I agree or not. He's basically saying that "experience" gained from learning the PS3 architecture only benefits the PS3, where as a PC dev making a 360 game could take that multi-core experience with them to a PC platform.

Wasn't John Carmack that said the same thing? He chose 360 as Id's primary console platform because it was a head start on Multi-Core processors and a close representation of what future PC platforms would be like.

Zenkuso

Basically CPU are going the whole multi-core route so gaining experience in using and developing for them is more useful then the PS3 cell which is basically useless cause its design is unique to it and not used in other CPU designs. Basically there saying you should work with the hardware thats going to be used in the future instead of something thats going to be useless in 10years.

He is saying it's a waste because it's a little harder to develop for? That is pretty silly. Just make the games and let the consumers decide what is or isn't a waste.

Chutebox

I don't think you realize the radical difference between the CPU designs of the cell compared to the multi-core standard, cell is completely unique in CPU design it has no counter part (that I know of).

That's fine. Not everything in life is gonna be simple or easy. Other devs seem to be handling it quite well. I don't see why we should care what this guy says anyways.

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]sony deserve more of these kind of comments.;)blitzinger123

Based on what? I like it. You dont have a PS3. You should do something productive with your time, perhaps call MS support and see when your refurbished 360 is coming back so you can play halo.

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I understand what he means, although unsure whether I agree or not. He's basically saying that "experience" gained from learning the PS3 architecture only benefits the PS3, where as a PC dev making a 360 game could take that multi-core experience with them to a PC platform.

Wasn't John Carmack that said the same thing? He chose 360 as Id's primary console platform because it was a head start on Multi-Core processors and a close representation of what future PC platforms would be like.

Chutebox

Basically CPU are going the whole multi-core route so gaining experience in using and developing for them is more useful then the PS3 cell which is basically useless cause its design is unique to it and not used in other CPU designs. Basically there saying you should work with the hardware thats going to be used in the future instead of something thats going to be useless in 10years.

He is saying it's a waste because it's a little harder to develop for? That is pretty silly. Just make the games and let the consumers decide what is or isn't a waste.

Chutebox

I don't think you realize the radical difference between the CPU designs of the cell compared to the multi-core standard, cell is completely unique in CPU design it has no counter part (that I know of).

That's fine. Not everything in life is gonna be simple or easy. Other devs seem to be handling it quite well. I don't see why we should care what this guy says anyways.

given the amount of delays, i'd say many devs aren't handling it so well...

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

[QUOTE="Zenkuso"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I understand what he means, although unsure whether I agree or not. He's basically saying that "experience" gained from learning the PS3 architecture only benefits the PS3, where as a PC dev making a 360 game could take that multi-core experience with them to a PC platform.

Wasn't John Carmack that said the same thing? He chose 360 as Id's primary console platform because it was a head start on Multi-Core processors and a close representation of what future PC platforms would be like.

Chutebox

Basically CPU are going the whole multi-core route so gaining experience in using and developing for them is more useful then the PS3 cell which is basically useless cause its design is unique to it and not used in other CPU designs. Basically there saying you should work with the hardware thats going to be used in the future instead of something thats going to be useless in 10years.

He is saying it's a waste because it's a little harder to develop for? That is pretty silly. Just make the games and let the consumers decide what is or isn't a waste.

Chutebox

I don't think you realize the radical difference between the CPU designs of the cell compared to the multi-core standard, cell is completely unique in CPU design it has no counter part (that I know of).

That's fine. Not everything in life is gonna be simple or easy. Other devs seem to be handling it quite well. I don't see why we should care what this guy says anyways.

Whilst its opinion in the end there are valid points to be made from it. I know people don't like to admit it but these guys know what they are talking about, most them are industry veterans and while there comments may seem stupid they actually have meaning.

In industry easy money is better then hard money, these are companies after all and lower development costs and higher profit reign supreme in the end, even if the profit is only in the immediate future they'll cash in and make profit then shift focus later, they in the end care about ease of development which keeps costs down and profit gained from there efforts.

[QUOTE="blitzinger123"]

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]sony deserve more of these kind of comments.;)v-vega75

Based on what? I like it. You dont have a PS3. You should do something productive with your time, perhaps call MS support and see when your refurbished 360 is coming back so you can play halo.

that was dell wasnt it? oh yeah i really didnt like halo 3 blitzinger and my 360s just fine thanks.

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

The_Crucible

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Then if it is such a waste why bother releasing games for it? @_@PelekotansDream

[QUOTE="v-vega75"][QUOTE="blitzinger123"]

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]sony deserve more of these kind of comments.;)marklarmer

Based on what? I like it. You dont have a PS3. You should do something productive with your time, perhaps call MS support and see when your refurbished 360 is coming back so you can play halo.

that was dell wasnt it? oh yeah i really didnt like halo 3 blitzinger and my 360s just fine thanks.

But thats all been resolved, 360 still has hardware problems 2 years on from launch.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

skrat_01

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="v-vega75"]

thats funny. but didn't sony make fauty batteries for laptops. didn't they blow up peoples notebook. i guess sony is unreliable when it comes to hardware too.PelekotansDream

that was dell wasnt it? oh yeah i really didnt like halo 3 blitzinger and my 360s just fine thanks.

But thats all been resolved, 360 still has hardware problems 2 years on from launch.

Wow, so we're going to get into ALL of each company's faults? Okay. How's the Zune doing? Man, Windows is so reliable. Vista is sure taking off, isn't it. I think I saw someone posting somewhere that they actually bought Vista. Good for them.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

The_Crucible

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

And im sure he wants a big fat EA paycheck.

/\ Thats why im saying there is more bias comming from you than him. Because the facts dont match with your comment.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

skrat_01

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

And im sure he wants a big fat EA paycheck.

/\ Thats why im saying there is more bias comming from you than him. Because the facts dont match with your comment.

What?!? he farmed out the 360 version to EA??? Are you sure, homey? I'm pretty sure 360 and PC were dev'd in house while the PS3 wasfarmed out. That's why the PC and 360 are both reviewed and out while the PS3 version is still getting crapped on by EA devs.

Got a link?

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="v-vega75"]

thats funny. but didn't sony make fauty batteries for laptops. didn't they blow up peoples notebook. i guess sony is unreliable when it comes to hardware too.The_Crucible

that was dell wasnt it? oh yeah i really didnt like halo 3 blitzinger and my 360s just fine thanks.

But thats all been resolved, 360 still has hardware problems 2 years on from launch.

Wow, so we're going to get into ALL of each company's faults? Okay. How's the Zune doing? Man, Windows is so reliable. Vista is sure taking off, isn't it. I think I saw someone posting somewhere that they actually bought Vista. Good for them.

I almost wish PC gaming was dying, so that Gabe "One Trick Pony" Newell would go broke and starve to death. I hate that guy.

anyways, back to The Orange Box.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]If you knew he was farming out the 360 AND PS3 dev'ing to EA..................

And im sure he wants a big fat EA paycheck.

/\ Thats why im saying there is more bias comming from you than him. Because the facts dont match with your comment.

The_Crucible

What?!? he farmed out the 360 version to EA??? Are you sure, homey? I'm pretty sure 360 and PC were dev'd in house while the PS3 wasfarmed out. That's why the PC and 360 are both reviewed and out while the PS3 version is still getting crapped on by EA devs.

Got a link?

Lombardi did not identify a particular reason for the delay of the PS3 Orange Box, which is being ported by EA

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/halflife2episode2/news.html?sid=6178220

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"][QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="v-vega75"]

thats funny. but didn't sony make fauty batteries for laptops. didn't they blow up peoples notebook. i guess sony is unreliable when it comes to hardware too.The_Crucible

that was dell wasnt it? oh yeah i really didnt like halo 3 blitzinger and my 360s just fine thanks.

But thats all been resolved, 360 still has hardware problems 2 years on from launch.

Wow, so we're going to get into ALL of each company's faults? Okay. How's the Zune doing? Man, Windows is so reliable. Vista is sure taking off, isn't it. I think I saw someone posting somewhere that they actually bought Vista. Good for them.

i still don't understand why system wars doesn't have a "PS3 Lost" sub forum

wasn't really trying to get into it about every companies faults. the guy i commented to did. i just get tired of hearing people use the RROD as a insult to other player. just because the ps3 sucks ATM. all sonyfans say you have to wait for your system to come back from MS because of RROD. i've had the 360 going on 2 years now and never broke down on me and i'm sure other people never went thru the problem. sony fans are quick to dismis sony problems. so i just showing that sony is not perfect at hardware either. v-vega75

Thats because the DRE were usually affecting the early launch consoles and have been sorted out. I remember a large amount of launch units would break after a few days, it happened to me infact but these problems got sorted out quickly.

With the 360, even some of the new Elites are getting RROD despite the 360 being out for how long now?