Gabe Newell: PS3 "a waste of everybody's time"

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

The_Crucible

Dur dee dee. He completed Orange Box. He didn't have a good experience. Being a dev who actually developed for the PS3, his opinion counts. Yours does not because you don't have the first clue how the cell processor runs because you didn't develop for it. Gabe has better things to do than spreading propaganda just because he worked for MS a long time ago.

i still don't understand why system wars doesn't have a "PS3 Lost" sub forum

JB730

they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Ragashahs

epic likes the ps3 because they get to license their engine for it. that's were they are going to make a lot of money.

what is the point of the game comming out 2 months after rest of the people have played it? pass the holiday season?

if I was a PS3 owner I would be utterly dissapointed and disgusted at Sony. People who continue to back Sony is making it worse for everyone.

[QUOTE="v-vega75"]wasn't really trying to get into it about every companies faults. the guy i commented to did. i just get tired of hearing people use the RROD as a insult to other player. just because the ps3 sucks ATM. all sonyfans say you have to wait for your system to come back from MS because of RROD. i've had the 360 going on 2 years now and never broke down on me and i'm sure other people never went thru the problem. sony fans are quick to dismis sony problems. so i just showing that sony is not perfect at hardware either. PelekotansDream

Thats because the DRE were usually affecting the early launch consoles and have been sorted out. I remember a large amount of launch units would break after a few days, it happened to me infact but these problems got sorted out quickly.

With the 360, even some of the new Elites are getting RROD despite the 360 being out for how long now?

i know how hard you're trying but as much as you want it to this will not become a thread about the 360s hardware failure.

this is about sony chucking a console to together and expecting devs to cope with it.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

The_Crucible

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

And im sure he wants a big fat EA paycheck.

/\ Thats why im saying there is more bias comming from you than him. Because the facts dont match with your comment.

What?!? he farmed out the 360 version to EA??? Are you sure, homey? I'm pretty sure 360 and PC were dev'd in house while the PS3 wasfarmed out. That's why the PC and 360 are both reviewed and out while the PS3 version is still getting crapped on by EA devs.

Got a link?

I cant find a link - so I cant confirm it though.

And as for the delay its no surpise. THe PS3 is much more difficult to code for - with its very complex cpu architecture (like the PS2), and the install base isnt big enough to warrant a fast port

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Pablo_Aimar

He doesnt seem to have a problem with the 360, hesays the PS3 version ofOrange Box will never run as well as PC or 360.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

GodLovesDead

Dur dee dee. He completed Orange Box. He didn't have a good experience. Being a dev who actually developed for the PS3, his opinion counts. Yours does not because you don't have the first clue how the cell processor runs because you didn't develop for it. Gabe has better things to do than spreading propaganda just because he worked for MS a long time ago.

HE didn't develope for the PS3!!!! EA did! Read, homey, read. And, shoot, I didn't even know he used to work for MS. Makes more sense now.

Besides, as an earlier poster pointed out, he not even saying that the PS3 is impossible or bad to develope for. He just whining because what you learn to work on the PS3 isn't transferred to PC. Awe, poor him. I mean.... poor EA.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

The_Crucible

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

i think he was saying the probability of you being biased was greater than gabe's...;)

one check of your post history kinda underscores this fact...

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

[QUOTE="v-vega75"]wasn't really trying to get into it about every companies faults. the guy i commented to did. i just get tired of hearing people use the RROD as a insult to other player. just because the ps3 sucks ATM. all sonyfans say you have to wait for your system to come back from MS because of RROD. i've had the 360 going on 2 years now and never broke down on me and i'm sure other people never went thru the problem. sony fans are quick to dismis sony problems. so i just showing that sony is not perfect at hardware either. marklarmer

Thats because the DRE were usually affecting the early launch consoles and have been sorted out. I remember a large amount of launch units would break after a few days, it happened to me infact but these problems got sorted out quickly.

With the 360, even some of the new Elites are getting RROD despite the 360 being out for how long now?

i know how hard you're trying but as much as you want it to this will not become a thread about the 360s hardware failure.

this is about sony chucking a console to together and expecting devs to cope with it.

I think this will be a big downfall for Sony, they have all this great potential and power in the console but if it is going to take to much time and money to make a game for the PS3 because of the difficulties then we might rarely see that potential.

But what about teh cells and teh manta rays and teh extra dimensions?

Meh, I'd still love to have one right now but I can wait a little.

Although I don't condone him bashing the PS3, There is some meaning to it some of his comments. Let me put thisinto another perspective.

Hideo Kojima and his team's blood and sweat went into developing a great looking engine for MGS on PS2. What have they learned? Nothing, because the PS3 has a radically different design than its predecessor, and the team had to basically start from scratch. From a development point of view they "wasted" their time with the PS2.

What if the PS4 doesn't have a Cell? Or what if the future Cell has a different design from the previous ones? Would developers have to start from scratch with each Playstation?

Multi-core CPUs are here to stay, and I can't imagine the future Xboxes being anything but the same CPU with higher numbers.

I know you are all thinking, "well if devs are making tons of money of the PS, does it matter?" Like I said its from a development point of view.

I don't think this changes the pink outlook PS3 fans have towards the PS3 right now. They still believe what sony claims is the truth.

why havea 360 when u can have a pc then?

consoles should be used for console games and pc's should be used for pc games

they guy loves PC's and hates consolesRagashahs

Not necessarily, if I remember correctly he was the one who praised the Wiia few months back? Or maybe it was someone elsefrom Valve; in any case he is only showing negativity towards the PS3 and quite alot of it...

This is definitely bad news to PS3,but developers have been doingthis a lot this generation. They bash a few consoles for one month, then praisethem in the next. It gets to a point where I really don't care anymore, since most of them feel that their voices need to be heard only toswitchcamps a month later.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

Dude hates on Sony so much he pusses out and can't even develope for it. So, he farms out the dev'ing on the PS3. And then he complains about it.

How quickly do you think he cashes that MS check?

tango90101

Well I see there is much more bias comming from you than him.

Doesn't make his statement any more true now, does it?!?

That's like me saying, "I don't see that you own a PS3 in your signature, so you can't even comment in this thread."

i think he was saying the probability of you being biased was greater than gabe's...;)

one check of your post history kinda underscores this fact...

And Gabe is partial to either console - as he is a PC fanboy.

He is simply stating his grievances with the PS3. Its not the first time he has done so, he genuinely thinks Sony stuffed up many aspects of it on multiple levels, and isnt afraid to say so.

Knowing the relative ease of the 360 port, compared to the PS3 - in these circumstances, its not surprising.

If there is any band wagon he is on its the PC one. Even in Kotaku's 'Justify your platform', Gabe did so about the PC damn quickly.

Geez, this guy must really hate the PS3. First it was "The PS3 is a total disaster" and now this. :?

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.Ontain

epic likes the ps3 because they get to license their engine for it. that's were they are going to make a lot of money.

aren't they in court because epics engine doesn't work properly on the PS3? or is it another engine? all I know is there is a problem with some engine, which could explain delays for some games. someone help me here!

[QUOTE="PelekotansDream"]

[QUOTE="v-vega75"]wasn't really trying to get into it about every companies faults. the guy i commented to did. i just get tired of hearing people use the RROD as a insult to other player. just because the ps3 sucks ATM. all sonyfans say you have to wait for your system to come back from MS because of RROD. i've had the 360 going on 2 years now and never broke down on me and i'm sure other people never went thru the problem. sony fans are quick to dismis sony problems. so i just showing that sony is not perfect at hardware either. marklarmer

Thats because the DRE were usually affecting the early launch consoles and have been sorted out. I remember a large amount of launch units would break after a few days, it happened to me infact but these problems got sorted out quickly.

With the 360, even some of the new Elites are getting RROD despite the 360 being out for how long now?

i know how hard you're trying but as much as you want it to this will not become a thread about the 360s hardware failure.

this is about sony chucking a console to together and expecting devs to cope with it.

My system died on me and I got it repaired, now I'm having a problem with the disk drive, damn thing won't eject or close without me lightly touching it, lol. and even with those problems, I would not give up my 360 except maybe for a new one. as long as all these great games keep coming out, I don't care if my 360 spits in my eye every time I go near it! I love the damn thing!

might even buy a new 40+ inch hdtv for my 360 as a christman gift, time for my 30inch hdtv to retire to the bedroom. :D

now I don't remember what the hell my point was, oh well!

I've been gaming a long time, and I'm even a PS3 owner (and 360, and Wii)... but I can't remember the last time a mainstream console got trashed so bad, publicly, by people in the business. I am beginning to think things ARE that bad for Sony.remaGloohcSdlO

They are. I PROMISE you that a super majority of developers are tired of Sony's crap. I am sure that they wished they could go back and change their minds about commiting their resources to PS3 games. It is such a POS that literally the only thing it does well is Folding.

While I can understand the guys frustrations, I think he's being the biggest crybaby ever. He is this generations Oddworld.

He's right, that the PS3 is extremely difficult to develop for. That's not news to anybody. But what I find extremely ignorant and arrogant is how he says there is no long-term benefit to even learning the hardware. Just no point. THat's just bloody stupid. At the very least, the long-term benefit would be actually learning the hardware and being able to make your games better, at a faster and cheaper rate thatn if you didn't know the hardware.

Plus, maybe if he actually took the time to learn how the hardware works, he might find out that it offers other benefits like power or efficiency that other consoles lack.

Instead he is just giving in to his frustration and ego and is pissed because the PS3 isn't programmed for like a PC.

f gabe newel he has never made any ps brand games in his life. he makes games for geeky nerds you have pc and 360. stop crying about how hard somthing is to make, jus make it. his a whimp a slob, a failure at life.

i bet any money i make more money then he does.

Lol, wait till Haze comes out.DaysAirlines

What is going to happen when that comes out? Nothing except for a floppy pancake of a game. Haze looks like a cold pile of crap.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]they guy loves PC's and hates consoles not surprsing. epic seems to like PS3.LEGEND_C4A

epic likes the ps3 because they get to license their engine for it. that's were they are going to make a lot of money.

aren't they in court because epics engine doesn't work properly on the PS3? or is it another engine? all I know is there is a problem with some engine, which could explain delays for some games. someone help me here!

yes. allegedly they took the money from the license to make there own games without providing the service and updates that were required.

[QUOTE="remaGloohcSdlO"]I've been gaming a long time, and I'm even a PS3 owner (and 360, and Wii)... but I can't remember the last time a mainstream console got trashed so bad, publicly, by people in the business. I am beginning to think things ARE that bad for Sony.MadExponent

They are. I PROMISE you that a super majority of developers are tired of Sony's crap. I am sure that they wished they could go back and change their minds about commiting their resources to PS3 games. It is such a POS that literally the only thing it does well is Folding.

Uhmmm...you do realize that developers don't HAVE to do anything for the PS3 right? Unless Sony paid them money for a product or forced them to sign a guaranteed development contract (which they haven't)...developers don't have to do a damn thing.

This is why when new consoles launch, we typically see them bragging about the massively long list of developers who plan on making games. Then hardly any of them actually do when the console doesn't sell well. This is also why the GC didn't get much support beyond the couple devs that nintendo signed deals with (ie. Capcom).

In short, developers aren't committed to anything they don't want to do. If people complain about the PS3 and still continue making games for it then they are doing it for business reasons and not because they are too committed to it.

While I can understand the guys frustrations, I think he's being the biggest crybaby ever. He is this generations Oddworld.

He's right, that the PS3 is extremely difficult to develop for. That's not news to anybody. But what I find extremely ignorant and arrogant is how he says there is no long-term benefit to even learning the hardware. Just no point. THat's just bloody stupid. At the very least, the long-term benefit would be actually learning the hardware and being able to make your games better, at a faster and cheaper rate thatn if you didn't know the hardware.

Plus, maybe if he actually took the time to learn how the hardware works, he might find out that it offers other benefits like power or efficiency that other consoles lack.

Instead he is just giving in to his frustration and ego and is pissed because the PS3 isn't programmed for like a PC.

ZIMdoom

i think the ps3 has proven to lack efficiency therfore proving the theoritical numbers sony is spouting about 'teh cell' will never be achieved...

the time it takes them to learn the architecture is time they could/should be using to make the game...

if "longterm benefits" outweighed the current direction cpu are going to, don't you think the industry would be all over the cell?

but they're not... instead, the industry is moving to multicore processors....

either way, i'd take a professionals opinion over a sony fan's anyday....

f gabe newel he has never made any ps brand games in his life. he makes games for geeky nerds you have pc and 360. stop crying about how hard somthing is to make, jus make it. his a whimp a slob, a failure at life.

i bet any money i make more money then he does.

G10mgs4

a legend in the industry is a "failure at life"...?

just. wow... :roll:

pardon me, sir...your fanboy is showing....

Gabe Newell was the mani criticizer of the ps3, before launch. I don't understand why pc devs, are taking sides with ps3, and xbox 360. It is messed up.numba1234

carmack didn't like the ps3 either.

the guys is a loser, he cant even make a game on a system wit his team, he shifts the ps3 version to easports. how can a dev be a good dev, if they cant even make games for all systems. if he was so hatred of the ps3, why not make ob for the wii.

he has never mad a game for the ps1, ps2,psp,nor ps3.he used to deving for pc,and the 360.

how would it be so hard to dev fordevelop for, why the heck is konami, insomniac,naughty dog, and others devs, having such a good time on it.

f this loser

the guys is a loser, he cant even make a game on a system wit his team, he shifts the ps3 version to easports. how can a dev be a good dev, if they cant even make games for all systems. if he was so hatred of the ps3, why not make ob for the wii.

he has never mad a game for the ps1, ps2,psp,nor ps3.he used to deving for pc,and the 360.

how would it be so hard to dev fordevelop for, why the heck is konami, insomniac,naughty dog, and others devs, having such a good time on it.

f this loser

G10mgs4

i defy you to show me ANY quote from ANY of those developers saying they're having a "good time" with the ps3's architecture..

the BEST anyone's said was "it's not too hard"....

but STILL hard...

[QUOTE="G10mgs4"]

f gabe newel he has never made any ps brand games in his life. he makes games for geeky nerds you have pc and 360. stop crying about how hard somthing is to make, jus make it. his a whimp a slob, a failure at life.

i bet any money i make more money then he does.

tango90101

a legend in the industry is a "failure at life"...?

just. wow... :roll:

pardon me, sir...your fanboy is showing....

a legend at what...this guy is no kojima, no miyamoto

he is a guy who delayed a first person shooter game, the easiest gener of games to make, for 3 f'n years. he is a fat ahole. how the heck can you come out and say stuff about a system you havent even devd one game on, yet people like naughty dog, have done a waaaaaaay more superior game on the ps3. all his team did was go back and port a ghold reharshed game from the ps2 era, and put on the next gen system. f him hes no legend hes a loser

[QUOTE="G10mgs4"]

the guys is a loser, he cant even make a game on a system wit his team, he shifts the ps3 version to easports. how can a dev be a good dev, if they cant even make games for all systems. if he was so hatred of the ps3, why not make ob for the wii.

he has never mad a game for the ps1, ps2,psp,nor ps3.he used to deving for pc,and the 360.

how would it be so hard to dev fordevelop for, why the heck is konami, insomniac,naughty dog, and others devs, having such a good time on it.

f this loser

tango90101

i defy you to show me ANY quote from ANY of those developers saying they're having a "good time" with the ps3's architecture..

the BEST anyone's said was "it's not too hard"....

but STILL hard...

buy good time i mean making quility games that look really nextgen, then some 4 year old port of a game. new ip's and there not sitting crying about anything. the fool sits there and make pc games, and ounce a real system is put in his face, he cant even make a game on it, he hads it to ea....if that was the case dont even bring the game to the ps3.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="G10mgs4"]

f gabe newel he has never made any ps brand games in his life. he makes games for geeky nerds you have pc and 360. stop crying about how hard somthing is to make, jus make it. his a whimp a slob, a failure at life.

i bet any money i make more money then he does.

G10mgs4

a legend in the industry is a "failure at life"...?

just. wow... :roll:

pardon me, sir...your fanboy is showing....

a legend at what...this guy is no kojima, no miyamoto

he is a guy who delayed a first person shooter game, the easiest gener of games to make, for 3 f'n years. he is a fat ahole. how the heck can you come out and say stuff about a system you havent even devd one game on, yet people like naughty dog, have done a waaaaaaay more superior game on the ps3. all his team did was go back and port a ghold reharshed game from the ps2 era, and put on the next gen system. f him hes no legend hes a loser

and how many games have you made?

D'OH!!! :lol:

Gabe Newell is an obese d**k. To the best of my knowledge, he has never developed for any playstation brand, and has no intention of doing so either, so he should just keep his fanboy comments to himself and f*** **f.

PS3 version of orange box will inevitably be messed up, probably more than usual. Hopefully, now that most developers have some experience with the ps3, future multiplats will look the same on both platforms. Hell, if the darkness was able to manage it months ago, it shouldn't be much of a problem next year.

I was probably going to get orange box on 360, but gabe being such a d**k has put me off. Nevertheless i realize missing out on a great game because the developer is a d**k is a bit stupid, so i probably will get it someday, but i really dont want any of my money ending up in his already fat pockets

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="G10mgs4"]

the guys is a loser, he cant even make a game on a system wit his team, he shifts the ps3 version to easports. how can a dev be a good dev, if they cant even make games for all systems. if he was so hatred of the ps3, why not make ob for the wii.

he has never mad a game for the ps1, ps2,psp,nor ps3.he used to deving for pc,and the 360.

how would it be so hard to dev fordevelop for, why the heck is konami, insomniac,naughty dog, and others devs, having such a good time on it.

f this loser

G10mgs4

i defy you to show me ANY quote from ANY of those developers saying they're having a "good time" with the ps3's architecture..

the BEST anyone's said was "it's not too hard"....

but STILL hard...

buy good time i mean making quility games that look really nextgen, then some 4 year old port of a game. new ip's and there not sitting crying about anything. the fool sits there and make pc games, and ounce a real system is put in his face, he cant even make a game on it, he hads it to ea....if that was the case dont even bring the game to the ps3.

you do realize the ps3 is a bluray player FIRST.... right? that's the problem...

even sony said this....

"We've never once called it a game machine" - Ken Kuturagi/Sony...

Someone edited his wikipedia page :lol:

During production on Half-Life 2, he spent several months focusing on the Steam project. Before his now famous Ps3 bashing,the Pig used his millions to purchase a wife and had disgusting pigletts.

f gabe newel he has never made any ps brand games in his life. he makes games for geeky nerds you have pc and 360. stop crying about how hard somthing is to make, jus make it. his a whimp a slob, a failure at life.

i bet any money i make more money then he does.

G10mgs4

Are you a multi-millionaire cause Gabe Newell is.

Seems the guys in Insomniac or Guerilla have more talent than him.

Hes just worthless,he doesnt even have the level to have a conversation with Ken Kutaragi.

Someone edited his wikipedia page :lol:

During production on Half-Life 2, he spent several months focusing on the Steam project. Before his now famous Ps3 bashing,the Pig used his millions to purchase a wife and had disgusting pigletts.

Jandurin

so dumb stupid fanboy.