Games today are pure trash Nolan bushnell was right

almost all these games today are either rehashes or bad ideas... or most often both. When Nolan bushnell said that games were a race to the bottom a week or so ago he got flamed but the reality is that he is right. Games have become a shadow of what they used to beand it is sad to watch as each year gets less interesting. Developers have forgotten innovation for the most part and people just keep buying this same stuff over and over... 98% of the developers doing ANYTHING are indie and their games will never be seen by the masses. It is sad but true... almost all of the original stuff is hidden and people don't feel like digging. they call stuff like "bioshock" and "grand theft auto innovative when those concepts were stolen directly from games made in 1994 and 1984 respectively (system shock and Elite). these have just been stolen by bigger companies and resold and they sell. If someone wants an innovative idea just browse the Indepednet games festival nominees and see how much of the stuff there shows off neat new concepts... its a shame they will never be successful. the games industry today is sad and hollow and I pity the people who think things are better than they used to be... thats all.

Who the **** is Nolan Bushnell?ImaPirate0202

ahaha man... this kind ofadditude is just making things worse...

*goes to get Zack and Wiki*SmashBrosLegend

Zack and wiki is horribly unoriginal it is nothing but a rehash of adventure games... and guess what... those have barely changed since King's Quest 1 in the 80s...

Who the **** is Nolan Bushnell?ImaPirate0202

He's bitter he sold Atari and they went on to make billions. Now he has 1 restaurant that has games in its tables. He's a washed up bitter old man.Heil68

Dude he sold atari and they went bankrupt a few years later... this new atari has nothingto do with that one it just uses the same name...then he went off and founded Chuck E. Cheese... learn your gaming history..

He's bitter he sold Atari and they went on to make billions. Now he has 1 restaurant that has games in its tables. He's a washed up bitter old man.Heil68

He also made the Chuck E Cheese restaurants for whatever that's worth.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]He's bitter he sold Atari and they went on to make billions. Now he has 1 restaurant that has games in its tables. He's a washed up bitter old man.iunderstand

He also made the Chuck E Cheese restaurants for whatever that's worth.

very popular

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"]He's bitter he sold Atari and they went on to make billions. Now he has 1 restaurant that has games in its tables. He's a washed up bitter old man.LinKuei_warrior

He also made the Chuck E Cheese restaurants for whatever that's worth.

very popular

http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=21610

system shock and elite were nothing like GTA...Why mention GTA in this?DeathIsARight

i said System shock was ripped off by Bioshock read it again... also Gta is an elite rip off dude... the concept of a freeroam world where you decide what to do was directly taken from that...

Okay. YOU come up with an original idea when almost any conceivable concept that'd work as a game (let alone flourish commercially) has already been done. Bioshock, Zack & Wiki and similar games you're going to throw mud on may not be original, but they're still enjoyable and allow a newer audience to experience things they may not have previously. A game doesn't have to be revolutionary to be fun.Jagazaar

revolution and innovation are completely different... also everything has been done? lol man you can't seriously be saying that. like I said go over to igf and check out the entries for 2008... some of them are pretty brilliant... http://www.igf.com/php-bin/entries2008.php

[QUOTE="Heil68"]He's bitter he sold Atari and they went on to make billions. Now he has 1 restaurant that has games in its tables. He's a washed up bitter old man.FlockofSpagheti

Dude he sold atari and they went bankrupt a few years later... this new atari has nothingto do with that one it just uses the same name...then he went off and founded Chuck E. Cheese... learn your gaming history..

Isn't Nolan Bushnell the same guy who claimed that Harry Potter and The Lord of the Rings were the same thing and that Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was never released in Japan on that Gametrailers video? :|Gunraidan

I dont know about that but if he did he would be 100% deadon about that first thing...

PortalRob_101

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Tell us how Elite is better than GTA.

Look, it's simple. The games are better done in big studios, that's where quality comes in. Hated EA will always have better games than some little "innovative" company with little to no budget.

What you said is just simply not true. What if Bioshock took some ideas from System Shock? How does that make it worse? How can Elite compete with today's GTA? Why isn't there an "Elite: San Andreas" or "Elite 4"?

Look, you can think of it shallowly and go "hey it's been done so it sucks", but it's done better and it doesn't suck, so saying games are getting worse is just stupid. Well, as an opinion you can say it, but not as a "fact" when you try to prove it using old games.

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalFlockofSpagheti

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Wrong. Portal is Narbacular Drop:

Tell us how Elite is better than GTA.

Look, it's simple. The games are better done in big studios, that's where quality comes in. Hated EA will always have better games than some little "innovative" company with little to no budget.

What you said is just simply not true. What if Bioshock took some ideas from System Shock? How does that make it worse? How can Elite compete with today's GTA? Why isn't there an "Elite: San Andreas" or "Elite 4"?

Look, you can think of it shallowly and go "hey it's been done so it sucks", but it's done better and it doesn't suck, so saying games are getting worse is just stupid. Well, as an opinion you can say it, but not as a "fact" when you try to prove it using old games.

Xolver

its better? how is it better? give me some facts oh wait you can't because ITS JUST YOUR OPINION. you are fine consuming rehashes of games that existed 2 decades ago because they are "better"?? anyway it isnt true... games from big studios are almost universally soulless and bland... they go for pretty graphics on ideas that weve seen millions of tmes before.

Also:

Guitar Hero

Rock Band

Spore

like 90% of DS games

and some Wii games.

[QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"]

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalRob_101

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Wrong. Portal is Narbacular Drop:

Dude... its a rip off because Valve thought it was cool and hired the team to rehash it... thus the big company rips off the indie dev (even though they at least got money for it) and gets all the recognition. try reading up on it a little better than an ambiguous Gs article...

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

Also:

Guitar Hero

Rock Band

Spore

like 90% of DS games

and some Wii games.

Rob_101

Guitar Hero is a direct rip off of a Japanese game called Guitar freaks... which was in turn just DDr on a guitar basically... rock band is an extension of Guitar hero so it suffers the same fate... spore iscloser but dude... it will probably never be released at this rate and even if it was its just another Sim game.

[QUOTE="Xolver"]

Tell us how Elite is better than GTA.

Look, it's simple. The games are better done in big studios, that's where quality comes in. Hated EA will always have better games than some little "innovative" company with little to no budget.

What you said is just simply not true. What if Bioshock took some ideas from System Shock? How does that make it worse? How can Elite compete with today's GTA? Why isn't there an "Elite: San Andreas" or "Elite 4"?

Look, you can think of it shallowly and go "hey it's been done so it sucks", but it's done better and it doesn't suck, so saying games are getting worse is just stupid. Well, as an opinion you can say it, but not as a "fact" when you try to prove it using old games.

FlockofSpagheti

its better? how is it better? give me some facts oh wait you can't because ITS JUST YOUR OPINION. you are fine consuming rehashes of games that existed 2 decades ago because they are "better"?? anyway it isnt true... games from big studios are almost universally soulless and bland... they go for pretty graphics on ideas that weve seen millions of tmes before.

Yeah, I thought there's some good discussion going on in this thread, but you just waved my reply and changed attitude.

Before I leave this thread, watch the word I bolded and look how many times it's applied to your very response to me.

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

-RPGamer-

so you would rather have someone like David jaffe (who is a lousy sellout of a designer) tell you what is what?? dude Nolan bushnell may not make games but he can still call them form a mile away... he predicted 6 months before they came out that the Wii would be a huge success and the Ps3 would fail... now look how that turned out...

[QUOTE="Rob_101"][QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"]

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalFlockofSpagheti

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Wrong. Portal is Narbacular Drop:

Dude... its a rip off because Valve thought it was cool and hired the team to rehash it... thus the big company rips off the indie dev (even though they at least got money for it) and gets all the recognition. try reading up on it a little better than an ambiguous Gs article...

Your point was:

"Developers have forgotten innovation for the most part and people just keep buying this same stuff over and over... 98% of the developers doing ANYTHING are indie and their games will never be seen by the masses. It is sad but true... almost all of the original stuff is hidden and people don't feel like digging."

You are wrong, Portal is one example.

Edit: I would also like to hear your opinion on my previous post as well.

[QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"][QUOTE="Xolver"]

Tell us how Elite is better than GTA.

Look, it's simple. The games are better done in big studios, that's where quality comes in. Hated EA will always have better games than some little "innovative" company with little to no budget.

What you said is just simply not true. What if Bioshock took some ideas from System Shock? How does that make it worse? How can Elite compete with today's GTA? Why isn't there an "Elite: San Andreas" or "Elite 4"?

Look, you can think of it shallowly and go "hey it's been done so it sucks", but it's done better and it doesn't suck, so saying games are getting worse is just stupid. Well, as an opinion you can say it, but not as a "fact" when you try to prove it using old games.

Xolver

its better? how is it better? give me some facts oh wait you can't because ITS JUST YOUR OPINION. you are fine consuming rehashes of games that existed 2 decades ago because they are "better"?? anyway it isnt true... games from big studios are almost universally soulless and bland... they go for pretty graphics on ideas that weve seen millions of tmes before.

Yeah, I thought there's some good discussion going on in this thread, but you just waved my reply and changed attitude.

Before I leave this thread, watch the word I bolded and look how many times it's applied to your very response to me.

I counted 0..

[QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"][QUOTE="Rob_101"][QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"]

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalRob_101

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Wrong. Portal is Narbacular Drop:

Dude... its a rip off because Valve thought it was cool and hired the team to rehash it... thus the big company rips off the indie dev (even though they at least got money for it) and gets all the recognition. try reading up on it a little better than an ambiguous Gs article...

Your point was:

"Developers have forgotten innovation for the most part and people just keep buying this same stuff over and over... 98% of the developers doing ANYTHING are indie and their games will never be seen by the masses. It is sad but true... almost all of the original stuff is hidden and people don't feel like digging."

You are wrong, Portal is one example.

I said the people doing things are indie... Narbacular drop was indie... but in that vast ocean of brilliant ideas it got lucky and was picked up by valve... no one knew about it before Portal was announced and most still dont know. also the only reason portal is selling right now... wait for it... is because it is packaged with Half Life...

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

FlockofSpagheti

so you would rather have someone like David jaffe (who is a lousy sellout of a designer) tell you what is what?? dude Nolan bushnell may not make games but he can still call them form a mile away... he predicted 6 months before they came out that the Wii would be a huge success and the Ps3 would fail... now look how that turned out...

I don't care for that David Jaffe either, what a poor and completely random choice of an (well at least current) member of the industry.

Many people predicted the Wii would do well, and it's too early yet to call the PS3 a "failure". Is it failing? Sure, but there is plenty of time to play their cards right.

Again nothing special from a has been of a version of the industry long past...

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalFlockofSpagheti

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

The team that made portal (some sort of school thing or contest or some such) got brought in to make portal what you see now.

More on topic though, you are right sir! I for one demand the return of such classics as pong and the one game where you jump over pits with alligators! Oh oh! and text dungeons! Ah yes those were the days I... er and while we are at it why isn't the Model T made anymore? I swear Ford has lost sight of what it is to be a automobile manufacturer! It seems all of this excitement has brought on a bit of a headache. Off to drill a hole in my head to release all of the demons!

Oh yeah, the Earth is also flat and fire is Godmagic....

Okay maybe I got a little carried away there but still. If you can't see the advances that have been made and the awesome places this medium is taking story telling and entertainment than by all means go see a movie or turn the tivo on.

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

-RPGamer-

He didn't really invent the industry this man did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_H._Baer

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]Okay. YOU come up with an original idea when almost any conceivable concept that'd work as a game (let alone flourish commercially) has already been done. Bioshock, Zack & Wiki and similar games you're going to throw mud on may not be original, but they're still enjoyable and allow a newer audience to experience things they may not have previously. A game doesn't have to be revolutionary to be fun.FlockofSpagheti

revolution and innovation are completely different... also everything has been done? lol man you can't seriously be saying that. like I said go over to igf and check out the entries for 2008... some of them are pretty brilliant... http://www.igf.com/php-bin/entries2008.php

Ok, I'll confess to exaggerating a bit, fair enough. But my point is, what do you want, a new genre or something? As media forms evolve and grow, more and more styles, themes, concepts and genres are explored. Video games have made the leap from Pong to FPS, driving games, puzzlers, RPGs of all sorts, 3D platformers, adventure games, etc, all with varying sub-genres, and sub-sub genres. Tell me, do you think many people starting gaming this generation or the last have played System Shock 1 or 2, looked at Bioshock, thought along the lines of 'oh, this game is very similar, it's trash'? I'd say it's more likely to be 'nice, I haven't seen an FPS with this sort of depth before, this is great!'. Then of course there's those who HAVE played the former two games, played Bioshock, and thought 'eh, it's a lot like System Shock 2, but what the hell, it's still fun and has enough of a different setting to be interesting'? I consider myself to be in the last group.

On a side note, I looked at the site. Sure, there looks to be some good stuff there and I'd certainly consider buying some, but I really don't see how you can consider certain mainstream games 'pure trash' or 'unoriginal' by comparison. I think you're just being elitist for the sake of personal satisfaction or trolling, personally.

[QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

-RPGamer-

so you would rather have someone like David jaffe (who is a lousy sellout of a designer) tell you what is what?? dude Nolan bushnell may not make games but he can still call them form a mile away... he predicted 6 months before they came out that the Wii would be a huge success and the Ps3 would fail... now look how that turned out...

I don't care for that David Jaffe either, what a poor and completely random choice of an (well at least current) member of the industry.

Many people predicted the Wii would do well, and it's too early yet to call the PS3 a "failure". Is it failing? Sure, but there is plenty of time to play their cards right.

Again nothing special from a has been of a version of the industry long past...

actually the Ps3 has no chance of success... there is no way to revive it now. as for the Wii no one saw it being successful besides Nitnedo... it was the same way with the DS. anyway I said Jaffe because he is popular right now... if you wanted someone else I could have said that but as it stands Nolan bushnell has more proven right to talk about this than almost anyonein the industry...

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

DXGreat1_HGL

He didn't really invent the industry this man did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_H._Baer

Ummm, did I say he did? :?

[QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"]

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]Okay. YOU come up with an original idea when almost any conceivable concept that'd work as a game (let alone flourish commercially) has already been done. Bioshock, Zack & Wiki and similar games you're going to throw mud on may not be original, but they're still enjoyable and allow a newer audience to experience things they may not have previously. A game doesn't have to be revolutionary to be fun.Jagazaar

revolution and innovation are completely different... also everything has been done? lol man you can't seriously be saying that. like I said go over to igf and check out the entries for 2008... some of them are pretty brilliant... http://www.igf.com/php-bin/entries2008.php

Ok, I'll confess to exaggerating a bit, fair enough. But my point is, what do you want, a new genre or something? As media forms evolve and grow, more and more styles, themes, concepts and genres are explored. Video games have made the leap from Pong to FPS, driving games, puzzlers, RPGs of all sorts, 3D platformers, adventure games, etc, all with varying sub-genres, and sub-sub genres. Tell me, do you think many people starting gaming this generation or the last have played System Shock 1 or 2, looked at Bioshock, thought along the lines of 'oh, this game is very similar, it's trash'? I'd say it's more likely to be 'nice, I haven't seen an FPS with this sort of depth before, this is great!'. Then of course there's those who HAVE played the former two games, played Bioshock, and thought 'eh, it's a lot like System Shock 2, but what the hell, it's still fun and has enough of a different setting to be interesting'? I consider myself to be in the last group.

On a side note, I looked at the site. Sure, there looks to be some good stuff there and I'd certainly consider buying some, but I really don't see how you can consider certain mainstream games 'pure trash' or 'unoriginal' by comparison. I think you're just being elitist for the sake of personal satisfaction or trolling, personally.

Name me an original retail game from the past year if you call me a troll... one game that did something totally new...

Honestly.

No body wants to play the damned atari. Don't care how much you BAWWW about it being a "classic" Looking at small lil blobs of pixels just doesn't seem fun, hell it didn't even seem fun to me before. Yes I know how you'll say "but thats jus your opinion"

If you're gonna keep pulling that card, then perhaps you should stop arguing about this because you keep stating YOU'RE opinion.

Silly little man.

[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

-RPGamer-

He didn't really invent the industry this man did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_H._Baer

Ummm, did I say he did? :?

I just enhanced your point by illistrating that the mans importance wasn't that big back then either. He copied Pong from Baer and was deemed the an industry stlwart for it...

Nolan bushnell has more proven right to talk about this than almost anyonein the industry...
FlockofSpagheti

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I consider Nolan Bushnell's relevance in gaming nowadays null. It's been far too long ago for me to really givea damn what he says anymore, he's out of the game so to say.

DXGreat1_HGL

He didn't really invent the industry this man did

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_H._Baer

you are both wrong... a group of MIT students did... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacewar%21

[QUOTE="Rob_101"][QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"][QUOTE="Rob_101"][QUOTE="FlockofSpagheti"]

[QUOTE="Rob_101"]PortalFlockofSpagheti

is a ripoff of an indie game called Narbacular drop that no one has ever heard of...

Wrong. Portal is Narbacular Drop:

Dude... its a rip off because Valve thought it was cool and hired the team to rehash it... thus the big company rips off the indie dev (even though they at least got money for it) and gets all the recognition. try reading up on it a little better than an ambiguous Gs article...

Your point was:

"Developers have forgotten innovation for the most part and people just keep buying this same stuff over and over... 98% of the developers doing ANYTHING are indie and their games will never be seen by the masses. It is sad but true... almost all of the original stuff is hidden and people don't feel like digging."

You are wrong, Portal is one example.

I said the people doing things are indie... Narbacular drop was indie... but in that vast ocean of brilliant ideas it got lucky and was picked up by valve... no one knew about it before Portal was announced and most still dont know. also the only reason portal is selling right now... wait for it... is because it is packaged with Half Life...

Ya because we all know no one wanted to play portal :roll: Whatever, you said developers have forgotten innovation and I pointed out Portal to prove that they haven't. Same with games like Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Spore and so many DS games and a bunch of Wii games.

actually the Ps3 has no chance of success... there is no way to revive it now. as for the Wii no one saw it being successful besides Nitnedo... it was the same way with the DS. anyway I said Jaffe because he is popular right now... if you wanted someone else I could have said that but as it stands Nolan bushnell has more proven right to talk about this than almost anyonein the industry...

FlockofSpagheti

No one? I disagree, many we're hyping it to do well. The degree of "well" is what's debatable.

No way? Must have been some sale on crystal balls I missed, and further more, you need to be on top for a piece of hardware to be a success (that really only makes sense here on SW).

Sure the guy who barely has anything to do with industry has some of the most "right" to talk about it... couldn't disagree more (or should I say anymore, b/c I tire of this redundancy).