Gamespot: Arkham Knight Review: 7/10

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#251 NothingForMoney
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So 7 is a new meh, apparently

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#252  Edited By KHAndAnime
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Kevin Vanord with a questionable review score? You don't say.

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#253  Edited By R10nu
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Another plebeian who doesn't understand basic Math.

They choose a random number of reviews from various websites and assign each review a numerical value based on unethical procedures. For example, if Metacritic wanted to spike a review to satisfy business partners (which they have been caught doing before) they will make lets say Gamespot review score worth 20% of the total score while IGN could be worth 70% of the total score. Additionally, if a review from well-known website is bad, they could bolster the amount of positive reviews from uncredible sources to include in the aggregate score thus, presenting a misleading number. What's even more jarring is that they do not assign their values based on pedigree or web traffic which means they consciously assign valuation based on bias. The fact that they didn't fully publicly disclose their use of weights until 2013 shows their shadiness. Do you still not see the problem and why much of the gaming community claim it to be a joke? Need another example lets use Batman Arkham Knight:

In a fair and perfect world each score would have equal value. However Metacrtic once again boosted the score to give a misleading representation about the quality of the game. Out of the 16 scores given, 4 scores are lower than 81. That means as of now the game should be nowhere near 91 which according to Metactitc means Universal Critical Acclaim. In their current pool, 25% believe the game was average at best or good. Yet, Metacritic, with a score of 91 gives the misleading impression that everyone likes the game and it is AAA. What they did is assign lower values to people who ranked the game low and higher values to people who ranked the game high. Moreover, you can guarantee they will omit reviews since not every website meets Metacritic's criteria or they will omit just because they can.

Its an inappropriate way to review games especially when the numerical values for many websites do not have a the same meaning. To be honest, nowadays they kinda do, but in previous years absolutely not. Also, it is ethically wrong to omit scores simply because it may lower the rating or they deem a particular website's review to be worthless.

You claim to understand math, yet you don't seem to understand how averages work.

(100+100+100+100+95+95+95+93+92+90+90+90+85+80+80+70)/16 = 90.9375

Rounding up to whole we get 91.

You can keep your tinfoil hat.

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#254 DeathLordCrime
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No hype for this game?

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thank god this annualized piece of shit garbage franchised finally flopped. Now the devs can finally move on :)

green arrrow game anyone?

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@KHAndAnime said:

Kevin Vanord with a questionable review score? You don't say.

it's like being surprised Carolyn Petit being bias in her reviews and McShea rating violent games low

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#257 PikachuDude860
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Pretty much sum ups a lot of people's opinions.

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@R10nu said:
@notorious1234na said:

Another plebeian who doesn't understand basic Math.

They choose a random number of reviews from various websites and assign each review a numerical value based on unethical procedures. For example, if Metacritic wanted to spike a review to satisfy business partners (which they have been caught doing before) they will make lets say Gamespot review score worth 20% of the total score while IGN could be worth 70% of the total score. Additionally, if a review from well-known website is bad, they could bolster the amount of positive reviews from uncredible sources to include in the aggregate score thus, presenting a misleading number. What's even more jarring is that they do not assign their values based on pedigree or web traffic which means they consciously assign valuation based on bias. The fact that they didn't fully publicly disclose their use of weights until 2013 shows their shadiness. Do you still not see the problem and why much of the gaming community claim it to be a joke? Need another example lets use Batman Arkham Knight:

In a fair and perfect world each score would have equal value. However Metacrtic once again boosted the score to give a misleading representation about the quality of the game. Out of the 16 scores given, 4 scores are lower than 81. That means as of now the game should be nowhere near 91 which according to Metactitc means Universal Critical Acclaim. In their current pool, 25% believe the game was average at best or good. Yet, Metacritic, with a score of 91 gives the misleading impression that everyone likes the game and it is AAA. What they did is assign lower values to people who ranked the game low and higher values to people who ranked the game high. Moreover, you can guarantee they will omit reviews since not every website meets Metacritic's criteria or they will omit just because they can.

Its an inappropriate way to review games especially when the numerical values for many websites do not have a the same meaning. To be honest, nowadays they kinda do, but in previous years absolutely not. Also, it is ethically wrong to omit scores simply because it may lower the rating or they deem a particular website's review to be worthless.

You claim to understand math, yet you don't seem to understand how averages work.

(100+100+100+100+95+95+95+93+92+90+90+90+85+80+80+70)/16 = 90.9375

Rounding up to whole we get 91.

You can keep your tinfoil hat.

Metacritic weights sources differently.

They even say so if you just read the "About Metascores" section

"We carefully curate a large group of the world’s most respected critics, assign scores to their reviews, and apply a weighted average to summarize the range of their opinions."

"Metascore is a weighted average in that we assign more importance, or weight, to some critics and publications than others, based on their quality and overall stature"

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@lostrib said:

Metacritic weights sources differently.

They even say so if you just read the "About Metascores" section

"We carefully curate a large group of the world’s most respected critics, assign scores to their reviews, and apply a weighted average to summarize the range of their opinions."

"Metascore is a weighted average in that we assign more importance, or weight, to some critics and publications than others, based on their quality and overall stature"

Be as it may, you can't make that argument against AK metacritic score, since it's pretty much equal to actual arithmetic mean of all the scores presented.

No score was downplayed as notorious claims.

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#260  Edited By lostrib
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@R10nu: could be, depends how the scores are weighted

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#261 NoirLamia777
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Already got it payed off it full, picking it up at the midnight release. I love Kevin and his reviews, gotta say though if it's more of the same I'm fine with it.

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@pikachudude860 said:

Pretty much sum ups a lot of people's opinions.

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#263  Edited By GunSmith1_basic
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@lglz1337:

I don't see much wrong with McShea's reviews. They are just more proof that Metacritic is garbage. Do we really all believe that Skyward Sword is a great game? Is Infamous 2 worthy of AAA? C'mon now. I also have a hard time believing that people could love Bioshock Infinite so much. I know people we disagree with me on BI but I hated the game so I sympathized with Tom. Bioshock Infinite is bar none the most overrated game of last gen by a mile. I think people got wrapped up in the hype and visuals too easily

Are are there any reviews that are just obviously wrong that McShea did? I have a feeling that just like with McShea, Van Ord will be spot on with his dampened enthusiasm. It's the 4th game in the Arkham series, and it seems pretty obvious that Rocksteady doesn't know how to expand on their ideas all that well.