GameSpot Review of The Wonderful 101 - What say you about the 8.0 NathanDrake?

This thread is garbage.  I know that mainstream review sites are pretty bad with their review scale to the point where anything rated lower than a 7 is considered crap (even though a 7 should be well above average) but since when is an 8 a bad score??  It's about what I expected it to get on Gamespot.

Also, I know SW is filled with people whining about exclusives, but the comparisons to TLOU...really?  They're completely different games and I don't think either Sony or Nintendo intended those games to really compete with each other.  Wonderful 101 looks to be decent for what it is.  Honestly, who was expecting it to be GOTY material?

Anyone who tries to use a Tom Mcshea review over the industry standard mc is desperate.

NathanDrakeSwag

If you don't like gamespot reviews then go away.

The rules in SW are simple: Gamespot score is the standard.

Marvelous did not publish the game in other markets.

MFDOOM1983

 I am talking about overall sales of the game

Outside of Japan, sales of the game have fared much better. In the United States, around 200,000 copies were been shipped, with about 100,000 copies selling in the first month, as opposed to just 40,000 copies being sold in Japan in its first three months. 160,000 copies were expected to be shipped for the European release.

Shortly after No More Heroes' European release, publisher Rising Star Games raved about its sales, with manager Martin Defries proclaiming:

We are weeping with delight. Especially as sales should improve further with the TV campaign moving up a gear from tonight. It is a verification of all the posturing and ambitious claims made these past months. I think a 'told you so' would be apt at some point. Thanks to Nintendo and the Wii console. Thanks to Mastertronic for their sales efforts and all our retail partners. Most of all thanks to Grasshopper for the greatest of products.

http://suda51.wikia.com/wiki/No_More_Heroes

About little King Story

As of November 13, 2009, Little King's Story had sold 26,000 units in Japan, 37,000 units in North America, and 67,000 units in Europe. Despite modest initial sales, Rising Star's Product Manager Yen Hau stated that the title "is still selling well to this day, [which is] something [that] doesn't happen often to video games," citing Rising Star's satisfaction with sales. Kimura explained, "We are planning to make a sequel to Little King's Story, like Super Little King's Story, but we're still in the idea phase." However, Cing has declared bankruptcy since then; this does not mean studio closure, but rather that they will be tightening their financial belt. Regardless of Cing's closing, Marvelous Entertainment currently owns the full intellectual property rights to Little King's Story. Both Kimura and Wada left Marvelous and joined Grasshopper Manufacture in 2010

You really don't need the sales that most people think you do to have a successful game. I understand why you would think so, but there are a large number of games out there that have been successful with a lower number of sales. 

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Marvelous did not publish the game in other markets.

HarlockJC

 I am talking about overall sales of the game

Outside of Japan, sales of the game have fared much better. In the United States, around 200,000 copies were been shipped, with about 100,000 copies selling in the first month, as opposed to just 40,000 copies being sold in Japan in its first three months. 160,000 copies were expected to be shipped for the European release.

Shortly after No More Heroes' European release, publisher Rising Star Games raved about its sales, with manager Martin Defries proclaiming:

We are weeping with delight. Especially as sales should improve further with the TV campaign moving up a gear from tonight. It is a verification of all the posturing and ambitious claims made these past months. I think a 'told you so' would be apt at some point. Thanks to Nintendo and the Wii console. Thanks to Mastertronic for their sales efforts and all our retail partners. Most of all thanks to Grasshopper for the greatest of products.

http://suda51.wikia.com/wiki/No_More_Heroes

About little King Story

As of November 13, 2009, Little King's Story had sold 26,000 units in Japan, 37,000 units in North America, and 67,000 units in Europe. Despite modest initial sales, Rising Star's Product Manager Yen Hau stated that the title "is still selling well to this day, [which is] something [that] doesn't happen often to video games," citing Rising Star's satisfaction with sales. Kimura explained, "We are planning to make a sequel to Little King's Story, like Super Little King's Story, but we're still in the idea phase." However, Cing has declared bankruptcy since then; this does not mean studio closure, but rather that they will be tightening their financial belt. Regardless of Cing's closing, Marvelous Entertainment currently owns the full intellectual property rights to Little King's Story. Both Kimura and Wada left Marvelous and joined Grasshopper Manufacture in 2010

You really don't need the sales that most people think you do to have a successful game. I understand why you would think so, but there are a large number of games out there that have been successful with a lower number of sales. 

Rising star games only published the game(NHH) in PAL regions, while it sounds as if Marvelous funded the games in question, as well as, published them in Japan. Little King's Story never got that sequel, so I'd imagine that it didn't end up selling as well as he originally thought it would.

Considering Bayonetta was viewed as a failure selling 1.5 million units, I doubt a game that platinum had to staff up for and had their longest dev cycle in the history of the company would be viewed as a success at 50k-100k units sold.

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That damage control LOLDavekeeh

You continue to reference wii games, as if they're comparable to their wii-u counterparts in terms of budget. Wii games are equivalent to ps2/GC development costs, while wii-u is up their with ps3/360. If you can provide me with some developers/publishers who were happy with selling 50k-100k units on ps3 or 360 then I'll happily concede.

 

Rising star games only published the game(NHH) in PAL regions, while it sounds as if Marvelous funded the games in question, as well as, published them in Japan. Little King's Story never got that sequel, so I'd imagine that it didn't end up selling as well as he originally thought it would.

 

Considering Bayonetta was viewed as a failure selling 1.5 million units, I doubt a game that platinum had to staff up for and had their longest dev cycle in the history of the company would be viewed as a success at 50k-100k units sold.

MFDOOM1983

I am using information that I know first hand from a video game class I took many years ago which was the study of the life cycle of video game sales. I have not kept up with newer games as much. I do not that the budget to make PS3 and 360 games have dropped a lot. But if you want a higher end example are the Disgaea games which have never been a high seller, but they always been able to buget the game enough that they keep making sequals. As I already said your right the 100k mark might be too low, but I don't think I am too far off the mark.

As far Little King's Story goes they did not make a sequal, but Konami ended up porting the game to the Vita. One of the reasons we may not see a sequal is because of the company closing their door. The designers of the game work for Grass Hopprt now. 

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No surprise game looks like shit.

NathanDrakeSwag

95 on meta and 10 on IGN

Buuuut. Those don't mean anything in SW...

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]

You continue to reference wii games, as if they're comparable to their wii-u counterparts in terms of budget. Wii games are equivalent to ps2/GC development costs, while wii-u is up their with ps3/360. If you can provide me with some developers/publishers who were happy with selling 50k-100k units on ps3 or 360 then I'll happily concede.

 

Rising star games only published the game(NHH) in PAL regions, while it sounds as if Marvelous funded the games in question, as well as, published them in Japan. Little King's Story never got that sequel, so I'd imagine that it didn't end up selling as well as he originally thought it would.

 

Considering Bayonetta was viewed as a failure selling 1.5 million units, I doubt a game that platinum had to staff up for and had their longest dev cycle in the history of the company would be viewed as a success at 50k-100k units sold.

HarlockJC

I am using information that I know first hand from a video game class I took many years ago which was the study of the life cycle of video game sales. I have not kept up with newer games as much. I do not that the budget to make PS3 and 360 games have dropped a lot. But if you want a higher end example are the Disgaea games which have never been a high seller, but they always been able to buget the game enough that they keep making sequals. As I already said your right the 100k mark might be too low, but I don't think I am too far off the mark.

As far Little King's Story goes they did not make a sequal, but Konami ended up porting the game to the Vita. One of the reasons we may not see a sequal is because of the company closing their door. The designers of the game work for Grass Hopprt now. 

Games are relatively cheap when you're just iterating instead of spending time prototyping brand new  mechanics and systems. 

Personally I think the rating of 8.0 is great by Gamespots new review process. I mean Last of Us got an 8 so this is an excellent score. 9s and 10 ratings are untouchable scores, we won't likely see a 9.0+ from gamespot for years. I considering it their new 10 based upon prior years..

This a great score and a win for Nintendo.

Personally I think the rating of 8.0 is great by Gamespots new review process. I mean Last of Us got an 8 so this is an excellent score. 9s and 10 ratings are untouchable scores, we won't likely see a 9.0+ from gamespot for years. I considering it their new 10 based upon prior years..

 

 

This a great score and a win for Nintendo.

kickingcarpet

This thread is garbage.  I know that mainstream review sites are pretty bad with their review scale to the point where anything rated lower than a 7 is considered crap (even though a 7 should be well above average) but since when is an 8 a bad score??  It's about what I expected it to get on Gamespot.

Also, I know SW is filled with people whining about exclusives, but the comparisons to TLOU...really?  They're completely different games and I don't think either Sony or Nintendo intended those games to really compete with each other.  Wonderful 101 looks to be decent for what it is.  Honestly, who was expecting it to be GOTY material?

Alpha_S_

Disgea is not higher end game by any strech Looks like a high-res'd ps2 game and I'm sure they're re-using a lot of their art assets from previous games. W101 is a new ip with different art assets from platinum's previous games. Not to mention the amount of time that has to go into designing the game since they aren't pulling from an established franchise and are building just about everything from the ground up. 

 

Games are relatively cheap when you're just iterating instead of spending time prototyping brand new  mechanics and systems. 

 

MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Disgea is not higher end game by any strech Looks like a high-res'd ps2 game and I'm sure they're re-using a lot of their art assets from previous games. W101 is a new ip with different art assets from platinum's previous games. Not to mention the amount of time that has to go into designing the game since they aren't pulling from an established franchise and are building just about everything from the ground up.HarlockJC

Marvelous funded the game and published it in Japan. Rising star(sun) only published it in Pal regions, so they have significantly less risk. Nintendo funded and is publishing W101 worldwide. So, we take a much more expensive game to produce + bigger marketing budget and compare it to a game with smaller expectations(NMH). 40k didn't cut it for Marvelous, so of course 50-100k wont cut it for Nintendo and Platinum. Now, tell again how sales that low will be okay for them.