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#151 remiks00
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http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814&tag=Topslot;Slot2

Xbox is losing and is for softcore

Nintendo is for casuals 

Sony is Teh hardcore. 

Straight from gamespot. 

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Good Vid, I agree with most of his points.
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#153 Antwan3K
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The vast majority of consumers that buy X1 or PS4 won't have a clue to the issues either console had prior to release.getyeryayasout

exactly..

if Microsoft is going to pull 180s on bad decisions, lets do it before launch.. let's not do it like Sony and launch a console without rumble only to add rumble controllers back into the mix years after release, forcing people to buy new controllers if they want that feature.. or worse yet, realize that you designed your console in a way that cross-game voice chat isnt possibe but you spend years telling your consumers that "cross game voice chat is still coming" when it isnt..

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#154 dream431ca
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I'm loving all the comments in the thread how the Move failed. I'm so glad it did. The last thing I need on the Playstation is Move to get forced onto gamers, like the Kinect was, and the Kinect wasn't even that big of a success.

I pretty much agree with the video. The X1 basically has turned into a PS4 at this point (a weaker and more expensive PS4).

What else can Microsoft flip flop on?

LOLXbone

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#155 StrongBlackVine
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Sony already won. Lemmings have been owned. Microsoft won't be Sony in gaming and won't be Apple/Google in anything. May as well stick to Windows and other boring software. Microsoft will never be hip or cool.

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#156 gamecubepad
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MS is gonna have a hard time at the $500 pricepoint. You can get a PS4 with PSEye for around that or less, so what makes it more appealing to your average consumer? Seems like a lot is riding on TitanFall and whatever Kinect pack-in they might have in the works.

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#157 Krelian-co
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i wish id find in myself some form of respect and credibility for gamespot to watch it, but i can't.

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#158 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]As ususal they are right except when Tom McShea is involved.super600

What does Mcshea have to do with thos article. Can you prove Mcshea's xbox bias?

Yes
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#159 StrongBlackVine
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i wish id find in myself some form of respect and credibility for gamespot to watch it, but i can't.

Krelian-co

Yeah sadly this forum is the only reason I use Gamespot.

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#160 Eminence_Front
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http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814&tag=Topslot;Slot2

Xbox is losing and is for softcore

Nintendo is for casuals 

Sony is Teh hardcore. 

Straight from gamespot. 

Jonwh18
This is news? I thought this has been common knowledge for some time now.
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#161 II_Seraphim_II
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I love The Point and Feedbackula. Both great lil shows :)
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#162 remiks00
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and I'm sorry to say, since I know a lot of you fangirls will get your knickers in a bunch when I say this.  But it's about time it got said.

 

Sony bet on YOU.  You, the person reading this right now.  You, the core gamer.  The one that built this industry.  Nintendo cultivated a new audience and MS ran so hard towards it that you've been standing in a cloud of dust since 2009 if you are still defending MSes XBox brand.  If MS had just kept to their mantra when they launched the 360, I'd be a supporter of it.  It's not the same MS, though.  J Allard is long gone.  Seamus Blackley is outtie.

 

Whatever paint chips and glue you have been eating, just stop.  Think about who you are and what it is you actually like to do.  The brand doesn't matter.  The brand comes and goes, just like Atari, Sega, TurboGrafx, 3DO, CD-i etc etc.  Start to think like a gamer and support who actually holds your best interests.  After all, that's what this video is really all about.  Sony got it right from Day 1 with the PS4 and ALL MS can possibly do at this point is apologize to you and try all they can to change the course they are on.  MTV and PizzaHut app say "hi."

 

I'm done here.

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and I'm sorry to say, since I know a lot of you fangirls will get your knickers in a bunch when I say this.  But it's about time it got said.

 

Sony bet on YOU.  You, the person reading this right now.  You, the core gamer.  The one that built this industry.  Nintendo cultivated a new audience and MS ran so hard towards it that you've been standing in a cloud of dust since 2009 if you are still defending MSes XBox brand.  If MS had just kept to their mantra when they launched the 360, I'd be a supporter of it.  It's not the same MS, though.  J Allard is long gone.  Seamus Blackley is outtie.

 

Whatever paint chips and glue you have been eating, just stop.  Think about who you are and what it is you actually like to do.  The brand doesn't matter.  The brand comes and goes, just like Atari, Sega, TurboGrafx, 3DO, CD-i etc etc.  Start to think like a gamer and support who actually holds your best interests.  After all, that's what this video is really all about.  Sony got it right from Day 1 with the PS4 and ALL MS can possibly do at this point is apologize to you and try all they can to change the course they are on.  MTV and PizzaHut app say "hi."

 

I'm done here.

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#164 gago-gago
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Asia Gamespot? The XO isn't even releasing there right, so yeah no surprises here about the news article from Asia Gamespot.
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#165 millerlight89
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Asia Gamespot? The XO isn't even releasing there right, so yeah no surprises here about the news article from Asia Gamespot.gago-gago
All the Gamespots have this video, dumbass.
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[QUOTE="gago-gago"]Asia Gamespot? The XO isn't even releasing there right, so yeah no surprises here about the news article from Asia Gamespot.millerlight89
All the Gamespots have this video, dumbass.

Hey man, I was curious on your thoughs on Jack"Markiplier Rip Off"SepticEye's youtube videos? I personally think he plays too much indie crap and needs to start playing some AAA shooters to expand his audience.
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#167 makoreactors
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Well what you posted is all true. 

Look at it. Every website i go to its the same thing. Everyone complaining about the xbox one, Saying nintendo is for kids and lame, Ps3 is going to do the best.

And i agree with all of it. 

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#168 II_Seraphim_II
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Asia Gamespot? The XO isn't even releasing there right, so yeah no surprises here about the news article from Asia Gamespot.gago-gago
:lol:
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#169 dercoo
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It's rather obvious "as of now", Microsoft is losing and playing catch-up in pre-sales & PR.

The only people that won't state it are either 

A:Being politically correrct("The WiiU could still come back & win the gen")

B:Lems

Things can change, but Sony has a better price, specs, and PR going into launch.

Microsoft had potentially, the most desasterious E3 in it's history with radioactive fallout that was even known by the casual consumers.

Can they fix it, yes. But it's an uphill fight.

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#170 musalala
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the fact that they have reversed every single original policy they had in place speaks volumes about how confident they are in their product, so yes they are losing.

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#171 II_Seraphim_II
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Well what you posted is all true. 

Look at it. Every website i go to its the same thing. Everyone complaining about the xbox one, Saying nintendo is for kids and lame, Ps3 is going to do the best.

And i agree with all of it. 

makoreactors
I think what killed Nintendo was it's utter disregard for the core gamers during the Wii phase. Its not like they even tried, they just flat out stuck a big middle finger to the core and rolled in all that casual money. Too bad casuals don't upgrade their systems, only the core do. So when the Wii U was announced casuals thought "Nah, Wii is good enough for me" and the core just laughed. MS, this gen, was trying to go for the Bro gamer, but as was so perfectly stated on this episode of "The Point", the core leads the pack, and the Bros follow.
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#172 icyseanfitz
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814&tag=Topslot;Slot2

Xbox is losing and is for softcore

Nintendo is for casuals 

Sony is Teh hardcore. 

Straight from gamespot. 

blackace

PS4 is hardcore. X1 is hardcore, casual and tech geeks. This thing is from asia.gamespot and being told by another European Brit. lol!! They hate everything M$, so who cares what they have to say? I'll watch it anyways for laughs and giggles.

 

a european brit......... as an irishman i think you might be slightly wrong on that one ;) 

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#173 delta3074
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Never in my life I was so bored that I wanted to watch TV while playing a videogame..

it's about being able to switch from Playing games to watching TV with virtually no hassle, if i am feeling in the grind in a game like skyrim or getting frustrated it's best to leave it alone for 10-30 minutes

That's just bad game design, it has nothing to do with needing a hardware feature. You need additional entertainment to...alleviate frustrating "entertainment"? :?

NO, i don't think you get it at all, if you are getting frustrated with a game no matter how hard you try you carry on making mistakes in that game, i remember trying all night to get through a specific level in Alan wake, the more i tried, the more frustrated i got and the more mistakes i made, i left it alone and went to bed, got up in the morning and blazed through the level in less than ten minutes in the morning, sometimes you have to know when to take a break and do something else, i usually take a break and watch a documentory, it's about taking a break from what is actually frustrating you not Alleviating frustration with something else. And it has nothing to do with bad game design, unless you are saying Hard games like demon souls are badly designed games, sometimes i wonder if you people actually THINK about what other people are actually saying. you can get frustrated with ANY game. It's also because i actually Embrace technology and i want to move foreward, i think controlling your TV and Xbox through Voice commands, biometric recognition and controlling things through hand gestures is pretty cool and the way of the future, if you people want to stay stuck in the past and get left behind thats your problem. I have been gaming for 28 years now, i watched gaming go From playing with a keyboard to mouse and keyboard to controller, things change and the way we play changes, move on or get left behind, i choose to move on, you lot are all going to be very miserable old men when gaming eventually moves completely over to motion controls:)
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#174 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="delta3074"]it's about being able to switch from Playing games to watching TV with virtually no hassle, if i am feeling in the grind in a game like skyrim or getting frustrated it's best to leave it alone for 10-30 minutesdelta3074
That's just bad game design, it has nothing to do with needing a hardware feature. You need additional entertainment to...alleviate frustrating "entertainment"? :?

NO, i don't think you get it at all, if you are getting frustrated with a game no matter how hard you try you carry on making mistakes in that game, i remember trying all night to get through a specific level in Alan wake, the more i tried, the more frustrated i got and the more mistakes i made, i left it alone and went to bed, got up in the morning and blazed through the level in less than ten minutes in the morning, sometimes you have to know when to take a break and do something else, i usually take a break and watch a documentory, it's about taking a break from what is actually frustrating you not Alleviating frustration with something else. And it has nothing to do with bad game design, unless you are saying Hard games like demon souls are badly designed games, sometimes i wonder if you people actually THINK about what other people are actually saying. you can get frustrated with ANY game. It's also because i actually Embrace technology and i want to move foreward, i think controlling your TV and Xbox through Voice commands, biometric recognition and controlling things through hand gestures is pretty cool and the way of the future, if you people want to stay stuck in the past and get left behind thats your problem. I have been gaming for 28 years now, i watched gaming go From playing with a keyboard to mouse and keyboard to controller, things change and the way we play changes, move on or get left behind, i choose to move on, you lot are all going to be very miserable old men when gaming eventually moves completely over to motion controls:)

Likely a bunch of wasted breath ( key strokes ) on most here that just live to biatch but I for one mostly agree and happy you took the time to say it. :) On topic, gotta love how a consumer product is said to be losing months before it even hits store shelves - Redokulous I tell ya. :lol:

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#175 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

If they were "listening to their fans" the original X1 idea wouldn't have been drawn up. So cut that bull crap Damage control line

GravityX

You do know that Sony was not the target of their plan right? It was Amazon, Google, Apple and and to a lesser extent Steam. Xbox One was built to battle these companies for the living room and not Sony. MS is thinking about the future and the battles ahead, Sony isn't really a concern for MS.

 

This is one of the most stupid post ever.

How many gaming consoles Goggle and Amazom have.? Aha...

The simple fact that MS did a 180 on all the horrible policies it has and that is now basically trying to mimic the PS4 kill your argument,if it wasn't for sony MS now would still carry all those policies,in fact if sony on E3 confirmed policies that were inline with MS ones,now on this very moment the xbox one would still carry those policies.

Pre-orders are speaking and MS is hearing how the xbox one is greatly been out done by the PS4 they know it,i would not be surprise to see a Kinect less xbox one on launch or soon after for $399,that last confirmation that Kinect doesn't need to be plug in is the sures bet any one can have.

That price gap + power gap + Sony more friendly aproach and less restrictive console is damaging the xbox brand badly,to the point where i think they may never get the xbox one off the ground.

Many people dismissed the Core 360 but it was actually one of the biggest weapons against the PS3,on launch alone it was from $200 to $300 cheaper,now there is non and the xbox one is more expensive that will hurt.

Oh and if MS wanted to compete with google and amazon they could release a separate product to compete,they don't have to risk the xbox brand doing so.

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#176 tormentos
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 Likely a bunch of wasted breath ( key strokes ) on most here that just live to biatch but I for one mostly agree and happy you took the time to say it. :) On topic, gotta love how a consumer product is said to be losing months before it even hits store shelves - Redokulous I tell ya. :lol:

SecretPolice

 

Because unlike you people are listening how sad MS is doing pre-orders wise,oh and MS knows it to,and to agravate even more they have few units for launch,face it MS most pull a miracle to beat the PS4 even on US  and UK the pre-sales are in favor of the PS4.

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#177 delta3074
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

 Likely a bunch of wasted breath ( key strokes ) on most here that just live to biatch but I for one mostly agree and happy you took the time to say it. :) On topic, gotta love how a consumer product is said to be losing months before it even hits store shelves - Redokulous I tell ya. :lol:

tormentos

 

Because unlike you people are listening how sad MS is doing pre-orders wise,oh and MS knows it to,and to agravate even more they have few units for launch,face it MS most pull a miracle to beat the PS4 even on US  and UK the pre-sales are in favor of the PS4.

The absense of one thing does not preclude the existence of another, the absence of preorders in no way means that the console will sell badly at launch, most people don't actually bother pre-ordering things, they wait until they are released to see whats what so they can make an informed purchase and trends show that most pre-orders take place within a month of Games/Hardware releasing. Using Pre-orders as a basis for future sales prediction is just LAME there is no other way to put it, Then Again , COWS used a FORCAST to claim that the Ps3 had outsold the 360 so i suppose i shouldn't expect anything better. I expect the Ps4 will intitially outsell the 360 but i am not going to bet money on it because NOBODY can accurately predict the future to any degree.
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#178 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Likely a bunch of wasted breath ( key strokes ) on most here that just live to biatch but I for one mostly agree and happy you took the time to say it. :) On topic, gotta love how a consumer product is said to be losing months before it even hits store shelves - Redokulous I tell ya. :lol:

tormentos

Because unlike you people are listening how sad MS is doing pre-orders wise,oh and MS knows it to,and to agravate even more they have few units for launch,face it MS most pull a miracle to beat the PS4 even on US and UK the pre-sales are in favor of the PS4.

Again...

gotta love how a consumer product is said to be losing months before it even hits store shelves - Redokulous I tell ya. lol.gif

Yeah, yeah, yeah you people will just never learn even if it's as resent as this gen 2005/2006 how PS3 would trounce 360 both in performance & sales - who'd that work out? :P

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#179 delta3074
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Yeah, yeah, yeah you people will just never learn even if it's as resent as this gen 2005/2006 how PS3 would trounce 360 both in performance & sales - who'd that work out? :P

SecretPolice
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#180 StormyJoe
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Did the 360 "win" asia?

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#181 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yeah, yeah, yeah you people will just never learn even if it's as resent as this gen 2005/2006 how PS3 would trounce 360 both in performance & sales - who'd that work out? :P

 

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Keep up the good fight, xbros. Never surrender!

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#182 Bigboi500
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Also.

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#183 StormyJoe
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Also.

Bigboi500

Except that MS said the other day that you could unplug and disconnect the Kinect sensor and XB1 will work just fine.

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Sony is teh awesome.
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#185 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Yeah, yeah, yeah you people will just never learn even if it's as resent as this gen 2005/2006 how PS3 would trounce 360 both in performance & sales - who'd that work out? :P

Bigboi500

*high five*

Keep up the good fight, xbros. Never surrender!

The starting bell to the first round of this so called fight has yet to be rung but g'head and act as though it's already over since it's just mooaar sauce for the goose " mmm licks chops :P " and also...

Stating nuttin but da fax mam. tehe

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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="delta3074"]it's about being able to switch from Playing games to watching TV with virtually no hassle, if i am feeling in the grind in a game like skyrim or getting frustrated it's best to leave it alone for 10-30 minutesdelta3074
That's just bad game design, it has nothing to do with needing a hardware feature. You need additional entertainment to...alleviate frustrating "entertainment"? :?

NO, i don't think you get it at all, if you are getting frustrated with a game no matter how hard you try you carry on making mistakes in that game, i remember trying all night to get through a specific level in Alan wake, the more i tried, the more frustrated i got and the more mistakes i made, i left it alone and went to bed, got up in the morning and blazed through the level in less than ten minutes in the morning, sometimes you have to know when to take a break and do something else, i usually take a break and watch a documentory, it's about taking a break from what is actually frustrating you not Alleviating frustration with something else. And it has nothing to do with bad game design, unless you are saying Hard games like demon souls are badly designed games, sometimes i wonder if you people actually THINK about what other people are actually saying. you can get frustrated with ANY game. It's also because i actually Embrace technology and i want to move foreward, i think controlling your TV and Xbox through Voice commands, biometric recognition and controlling things through hand gestures is pretty cool and the way of the future, if you people want to stay stuck in the past and get left behind thats your problem. I have been gaming for 28 years now, i watched gaming go From playing with a keyboard to mouse and keyboard to controller, things change and the way we play changes, move on or get left behind, i choose to move on, you lot are all going to be very miserable old men when gaming eventually moves completely over to motion controls:)

ROFFL @ teh futurez!

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#187 Riverwolf007
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they can lose what dif does it make?

does sony being in last make the ps3 any less of the system that it is?

no of course it does not.

all it means is that the ps3 joins the ranks of the many many systems that were last in their gen that i enjoyed.

if the x1 ends up the same way so what?

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#188 poptart
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This level of pre-launch negativity almost matches that of the wii.
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#189 Ricardomz
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No shit sherlock.

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#190 donalbane
Member since 2003 • 16383 Posts
What a shocking revelation!
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#191 AD216
Member since 2008 • 1719 Posts

there is no such thing as a hardcore or softcore gamer. last time i checked, that was porn :lol: with that said, i've never seen this type of fanboyism in my life. this is worse than nintendo v sega ever was

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#192 Benny_Blakk
Member since 2007 • 910 Posts

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

http://asia.gamespot.com/shows/the-point/?event=why-the-xbox-is-losing-20130814&tag=Topslot;Slot2

Xbox is losing and is for softcore

Nintendo is for casuals 

Sony is Teh hardcore. 

Straight from gamespot. 

blackace

PS4 is hardcore. X1 is hardcore, casual and tech geeks. This thing is from asia.gamespot and being told by another European Brit. lol!! They hate everything M$, so who cares what they have to say? I'll watch it anyways for laughs and giggles.

PS4 is better suited for casuals and "softcore". You can buy just a few games ever, and still use it for services (Netflix, Youtube) without having to commit to an unnecessary annual fee to access them. And as it currently stands in price, it's less expensive to purchase.

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#193 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Also.

StormyJoe

Except that MS said the other day that you could unplug and disconnect the Kinect sensor and XB1 will work just fine.

The real stupid thing about MS is that they are making almost no efforts to make all these changes public. Oh sure, you and I know about it, cause we scour the internet and GS looking for this sort of info, but how about average bro gamer, who MS appeals to? Do they know about all these changes? Last I heard about MS was on CNN and BBC both bashing it for the always online Kinect. MS needs to fire whoever is their PR department guy/gal and get someone new cause he/she is seriously failing.
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#194 Murderstyle75
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="GravityX"]

It's early in the next generation. MS did not want to give Sony too large of a lead. And of course any company would tailor their product to make it more appealing. Xbox One is a game console, includes voice and gesture control camera, allows you to Skype to any device, includes a decent headset, an update to one of the best controllers ever and for those who care, an HDMI pass through and OS that if works as intended, will allow for some cool functionality with your media. Xbox One is really a great value.

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Yet remember when Sony was spinning the PS3 as being "Great Value"? But they are either competing against Sony or they are not competing against Sony. To try and compete against Apple, an Xbox One is not the way to do it. The customers Apple has dont give a rats ass about 1080p, 60fps, 100 million dollar gaming controllers, COD, etc, etc, etc. Apples userbase is happy enough playing Candy Crush. This consumer doesn't want a $500 gaming top box that does other things. And they need to get their mobile platform off the ground before they can do anything.

if Apple makes a $500 high-end conosle that plays all the latest games (Battlefield, CoD, Madden, etc), which console do you think your average iNerd is going to buy to compliment his iPhone, iPad, and iMac?.. you think he's going to buy a PS4 or an Xbox One??.. absolutely not.. he's going to buy the Apple iConsole (or whatever it's going to be called) simply because he has already bought into and loves the Apple ecosystem.. if and probably when Apple finally joins the console wars, everybody else is going to be in trouble.. the only difference is that Microsoft is going to be in a much better position to do battle with the Apple ecosystem with their own ecosystem of cross-platform devices (Windows 8 PC, Windows RT tablet, Windows Phone 8, and Xbox One running Windows 8 architecture) while Sony or Nintendo won't.. basically, if and when Apple and Google join the "console wars" its going to change to the "ecosystem wars".. Microsoft is positioning the Xbox One as the centerpiece to their ecosystem in order to combat those future threats.. Sony is just a short term problem that they didnt want to get too far out of control with all the bad PR..

Microsoft is more concerned about their future competiton with Apple and/or Google in the living room than they are worried about Sony or Nintendo

EDIT: and yes, the PS3 with a built-in Blu-ray player is a "great value" now that you can go out an pick one up for roughly the same price as an Xbox 360.. the same thing will be the case when you can eventually get an Xbox One packed with a Kinect 2.0 for the same price as a PS4.. people are very short sighted if they think this price difference is going to be a lasting issue.. this price difference is only an issue for early adopters and the hardcore audience.. by the time your casual players are trading in their PS3s or 360s in mass numbers, both these consoles will be in the $299 or $349 range..

Apple won't be making a $500 gaming system though. They will further expand on their phones and tablets with Apple TV which is a far cheaper device. Now these features are available built into our TV's, Blu-Ray players, much cheaper Top Boxes like Roku, etc. Like it or not, an Xbox One is just a specialty item. Just as a PS4 is.