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#201 greenleaflink
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SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

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#202 Guitartod
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SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

greenleaflink

ur right the sales do speak for themselfs soccer moms and their kids love their wiis!!!!

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#203 out0v0rder
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The A.I's are last gen.


Just_in

got any examples for that claim? and any examples of "superior" AI on the other consoles? oh wait you dont. :-) nice try

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#204 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Just_in"]

The A.I's are last gen.

out0v0rder

got any examples for that claim? and any examples of "superior" AI on the other consoles? oh wait you dont. :-) nice try

name a wii game that has the fraction of the AI COD4 has.....

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#205 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="greenleaflink"]

SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

Guitartod

ur right the sales do speak for themselfs soccer moms and their kids love their wiis!!!!

by that logic all 360 owners are 10-19 no life Nerd-score humping guys who think they are "too Masculine" for Mario?

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#206 Guitartod
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and TC. ill dis the wiis graphics all day too!!!! i mean look at it, its really pathetic when u stand back and look at it isnt it???? i mean the best graphical offerings you have for the wii look stupid compaired to even some of the worst 360 and ps3 have to offer....have fun with your mini games dood....
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#208 out0v0rder
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[QUOTE="out0v0rder"][QUOTE="Just_in"]

The A.I's are last gen.

Guitartod

got any examples for that claim? and any examples of "superior" AI on the other consoles? oh wait you dont. :-) nice try

name a wii game that has the fraction of the AI COD4 has.....

COD3

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#209 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="greenleaflink"]

SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

Meu2k7

ur right the sales do speak for themselfs soccer moms and their kids love their wiis!!!!

by that logic all 360 owners are 10-19 no life Nerd-score humping guys who think they are "too Masculine" for Mario?

u fail....xbox360s key demo is 16-35..... and ill play mario when it lloks like its gonna be a good game again but nintendo hasnt made a good mario since super mario world so im not holdin my breath for that one....

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#210 AgentA-Mi6
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For Me its very simple, Third Party support.

Ps60 gets higher quality games, Konami makes MGS4 for the Ps3 and they make...Deweys adventure for the WiiC'mon!, Unfortunately gamers can't play with sales numbers :'(

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#211 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="out0v0rder"][QUOTE="Just_in"]

The A.I's are last gen.

out0v0rder

got any examples for that claim? and any examples of "superior" AI on the other consoles? oh wait you dont. :-) nice try

name a wii game that has the fraction of the AI COD4 has.....

COD3

didnt they say cod3 for wii was a watered down version of the game including its a.i.? im sorry you feel it nessisary to stand up for such a lousy console...i truley pitty you...

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#212 Guitartod
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For Me its very simple, Third Party support.

Ps60 gets higher quality games, Konami makes MGS4 for the Ps3 and they make...Deweys adventure for the WiiC'mon!, Unfortunately gamers can't play with sales numbers :'(

AgentA-Mi6

agreed

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#213 prozack28
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as a wii owner, my complaint is that nintendo is truly no longer for "hardcore" gamers. instead of competing with ps3 and 360, nintendo took a different direction and is selling like crazy. i hope they use the cash to make the wii 2 a great overall system that caters to gamers instead of non-gamers.
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#214 blahzor
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="greenleaflink"]

SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

Guitartod

ur right the sales do speak for themselfs soccer moms and their kids love their wiis!!!!

by that logic all 360 owners are 10-19 no life Nerd-score humping guys who think they are "too Masculine" for Mario?

u fail....xbox360s key demo is 16-35..... and ill play mario when it lloks like its gonna be a good game again but nintendo hasnt made a good mario since super mario world so im not holdin my breath for that one....

Hey, welcome to 2007! Nice to see you're rejoining the gaming world since 1991, you've had a long absence. Shall i point you towards some stellar mario titles that came in the years after the SNES launch?

SUper Mario World 2
SUper Mario RPG
Paper Mario Trilogy
Super Mario Kart
Mario Kart 64
Mario Kart DS
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
...

as you can see, you've missed alot. Well, since it's 07 i'd like to specifically recommend... SUper Mario Galaxy is here! wii would like you to play :)

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#215 Guitartod
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rofl this whole thread makes me laugh....sheep trying to defend their stupid little system....its hystarical.....btw PC360PS3 ftw!!!
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#216 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="greenleaflink"]

SALES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

no contest.

blahzor

ur right the sales do speak for themselfs soccer moms and their kids love their wiis!!!!

by that logic all 360 owners are 10-19 no life Nerd-score humping guys who think they are "too Masculine" for Mario?

u fail....xbox360s key demo is 16-35..... and ill play mario when it lloks like its gonna be a good game again but nintendo hasnt made a good mario since super mario world so im not holdin my breath for that one....

Hey, welcome to 2007! Nice to see you're rejoining the gaming world since 1991, you've had a long absence. Shall i point you towards some stellar mario titles that came in the years after the SNES launch?

SUper Mario World 2
SUper Mario RPG
Paper Mario Trilogy
Super Mario Kart
Mario Kart 64
Mario Kart DS
Super Mario 64
Super Mario Sunshine
...

as you can see, you've missed alot. Well, since it's 07 i'd like to specifically recommend... SUper Mario Galaxy is here! wii would like you to play :)

rofl at your sheep logic... i mention a game from 1991 and all of a sudden its the last game i played.....your logic fails along with ur post...

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#217 O_Lineman17
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It's a gimmick
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#219 out0v0rder
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[QUOTE="out0v0rder"][QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="out0v0rder"][QUOTE="Just_in"]

The A.I's are last gen.

Guitartod

got any examples for that claim? and any examples of "superior" AI on the other consoles? oh wait you dont. :-) nice try

name a wii game that has the fraction of the AI COD4 has.....

COD3

didnt they say cod3 for wii was a watered down version of the game including its a.i.? im sorry you feel it nessisary to stand up for such a lousy console...i truley pitty you...

haha yeah im sure the wii cant handle enemies that spawn out of nowhere like in cod4. Seriously though, what is SOOOO amazing about the ai in cod4 buddy?

They shoot you through walls and kill in 3 hits to make up for their lack of intelligence?
Or how about charging around corners and trying to melee you...? oh wait even cod3 on wii had that!!!

have you even played cod3 or 4? the AI isnt any different than cod1 sir.

"buh buh buh buh the AI is so advanced", just relax dude,at least give an example of your claim. until then my argument stands.

all the ai currently on display on the other systems is possible on wii, you are just fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

ok i shall give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe cod4 is the first videogame youve ever played and thats why you think it's AI is so advanced the wii would melt trying to comprehend whichbuilding it needs to spawn an enemy behind.

EDIT: i just realized you arent even the original dude i was responding to.

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#221 Guitartod
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to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

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#222 --ProtoMan--
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to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

Guitartod

Nice to see another fanboy around here.

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#223 rcignoni
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to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

Guitartod
Relax man, the only thing I commented on was your grammar. You on the other hand, are being extremely offensive to the TC and those in this thread.
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#224 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Guitartod"]

to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

rcignoni

Relax man, the only thing I commented on was your grammar. You on the other hand, are being extremely offensive to the TC and those in this thread.

but i never made a personal attack to anyone so.....if thats your lame attempt at an appology its too late i already reported you:(

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#225 Uncle_Uzi
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It aints got teh bluray.dotWithShoes

It aints even got the DVD playback...

OWNAGE

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#226 Guitartod
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theres no getting around it the wii is teh suck and if i wanted to play a game with such lousy graphics id play my ps2 or xbox.....
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#227 Guitartod
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paying 275$ for last gen graphics is about the dumbest thing i think i ever heard.....
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#229 EPaul
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Since i have permission

The wii misses a majority of excellent multi-platform games like Assasin's Creed, Devil May Cry 4, Soul Calibur IV, UT3 and many more.

Also the Wii's online service is laughable when comapred to Live and PSN and there is not that many online games to begin with

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#230 --ProtoMan--
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[QUOTE="rcignoni"][QUOTE="Guitartod"]

to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

Guitartod

Relax man, the only thing I commented on was your grammar. You on the other hand, are being extremely offensive to the TC and those in this thread.

but i never made a personal attack to anyone so.....if thats your lame attempt at an appology its too late i already reported you:(

Yeah right.

and wiis are only for casual nooblets

wii????? more like wiitarded.

lol i doubt you have a job or are old enough to drive since ur such a wii fan.....lol

Too late... I already reported you. :(

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#231 JPOBS
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the gaming library is currently subpar to both the ps3 and 360 statistically.

/thread.

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#232 BioShockOwnz
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I was going to make the "lack of good games" argument, but SMG is better than any game on 360 and PS3. :(
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#233 Guitartod
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[QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="rcignoni"][QUOTE="Guitartod"]

to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

--ProtoMan--

Relax man, the only thing I commented on was your grammar. You on the other hand, are being extremely offensive to the TC and those in this thread.

but i never made a personal attack to anyone so.....if thats your lame attempt at an appology its too late i already reported you:(

Yeah right.

and wiis are only for casual nooblets

wii????? more like wiitarded.

lol i doubt you have a job or are old enough to drive since ur such a wii fan.....lol

Too late... I already reported you. :(

:( i dont care.......

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#234 --ProtoMan--
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[QUOTE="--ProtoMan--"][QUOTE="Guitartod"][QUOTE="rcignoni"][QUOTE="Guitartod"]

to rcigoni..

when ur opinon fails and u cant think of anything to say do u always resort to personal attacks???? ill make sure the mods hear about this

Guitartod

Relax man, the only thing I commented on was your grammar. You on the other hand, are being extremely offensive to the TC and those in this thread.

but i never made a personal attack to anyone so.....if thats your lame attempt at an appology its too late i already reported you:(

Yeah right.

and wiis are only for casual nooblets

wii????? more like wiitarded.

lol i doubt you have a job or are old enough to drive since ur such a wii fan.....lol

Too late... I already reported you. :(

:( i dont care.......

Your debate skills blow my mind.

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#235 darklord888
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Sheep say graphics aren't important it's the gameplay that countsyet the gameplay is still better on other systems. Mass Effect, Halo 3, Bioshock, Forza 2, The Witcher, Crysis, WiC, The Orange ect all have better gameplay(Oh or will galaxy last them the whole gen?).

That's my bash without using graphics or minigames.
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#236 hockeyruler12
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nintendo turned its back on gamers!

i know reggie says...hey look at super mario galaxy and metroid prime. BUT THATS IT. Its been out for over a year and there are 2 games that gamers will enjoy. I dont want to play disney princess adventure, i want GOOD GAMES!

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#237 blahzor
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nintendo turned its back on gamers!

i know reggie says...hey look at super mario galaxy and metroid prime. BUT THATS IT. Its been out for over a year and there are 2 games that gamers will enjoy. I dont want to play disney princess adventure, i want GOOD GAMES!

hockeyruler12

woah now, Nintendo is putting out alot of cool titles themselves, and smash bros and mario kart are just around the corner. Its really the third party devs that need to step up.

There are plenty more good titles though; super paper mario, Battlion Wars 2, Fire Emblem, Zack and Wiki, Medal of Honor Heroes 2, warioware, trauma center.. etc. There's no doubt there is a lack of excellent games compared to the number of good games on the other systems, but the games the wii does have are absolutly excellent and unique(and in the case of the better multiplats, they are also the best versions.. generally).

Anyways, that's my biggest problem with the wii right now. 3rd party devs aren't doing there best to make something unique for the wii(yet, i have high hopes for the titles in 08 and beyond). The wii has some of my fav games this gen, and it's kept me busy for sure.. but, there are more good and great games on my 360. We need more people taking proper advantage of the wii, and we're not getting much of that yet.

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#238 Arjdagr8
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[QUOTE="R-Dot-Yung"]

Its got no online play worth touching

Its got the crappiest game library for a console so far ever

The Waggle controls provide no extra immersion or add any extra fun

Reggie is a pompous ass

Wii Fit is your flagship title...

Erebyssial

Medal of honour Heroes 2 is worth touching. You also won't be saying that when Brawl and Kart come out. And as I've said oh so many times before, Offline multiplayer > Online multiplayer. It's a million times more fun to play with someone you know in the same room as you.

The Wii does not have the worst library for a console ever. That award can go to the PS3 at the moment. Do you honestly think Wii, as a pure gaming system, would sell so rapidly if it didn't have games?

The controls do add more fun. Either you've never touched the controls or haven't played many games that take advantage of it.

cod4 or medal of honour heroes 2? hmmmm...

nah i have way more fun in online multiplayer, theres a lot more funny occassions and most of the time when i play offline multiplayer, the others are complete noobs. Friends who play online with me provide a good challenge as well as the rest of the world.

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#239 Spartan8907
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Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?
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#240 InfinityMugen
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I dont have a problem with the graphics or the controller, but the only thing I would bash about the Wii would be its 3rd party support and lack of RPG's. Both issues I believe would be resolved in the near future.
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#241 BioShockOwnz
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Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?Spartan8907

Only fanboys get tired of such amazing games. Anyways, which was the other big Wii Mario game? Super Paper Mario? That game wasn't very big at all....

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#242 MikeE21286
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Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?Spartan8907

It's not something that's going to change......the best games on Nintendo platforms will always be Nintendo games. Good 3rd party support is (and basically almost always has been) virtually non-existant.

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#243 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Spartan8907"]Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?MikeE21286

It's not something that's going to change......the best games on Nintendo platforms will always be Nintendo games. Good 3rd party support is (and basically almost always has been) virtually non-existant.

looks at re4,etc.

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#244 Truth-slayer
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How about the dumbed down gameplay that is a result of the gimmicky motion controls? Or the fact that the other consoles are enjoying on average way better games? Or you are paying $250 for a system that in reality costs $150 to produce. Or the most of the good games on the Wii are last gen ports but with dumbed down gameplay because of the control.
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#245 Khanezhyray
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Probably been posted before, but I have just one thing that will lead to the Wii's downfall.

Nintendo's massive failure at allowing 3rd parties to come in and develop on their system easily.

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#246 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Spartan8907"]Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?Marth6781

It's not something that's going to change......the best games on Nintendo platforms will always be Nintendo games. Good 3rd party support is (and basically almost always has been) virtually non-existant.

looks at re4,etc.

Re4 was released back in 2005. If you wanna use that as evidence of "Great 3rd party support" then...well....go right ahead

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#247 -Skyfall
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If you want to prove a valid argument, you cannot use graphics or minigames, because that has been done to death already, it's like it's the only thing you can use against the Wii.

Go.

Willy105

IT CAN'T PLAY DVD'S LOL.

Trick thread; there are no valid arguments against the Wii. D:

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#248 Marth6781
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[QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Spartan8907"]Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?MikeE21286

It's not something that's going to change......the best games on Nintendo platforms will always be Nintendo games. Good 3rd party support is (and basically almost always has been) virtually non-existant.

looks at re4,etc.

Re4 was released back in 2005. If you wanna use that as evidence of "Great 3rd party support" then...well....go right ahead

well if you actually read the quote he said, nintendo had never had good 3rd party support, hence why i said re4. I oculd have just as easily put something from 64,NSes,etc, but i wanted to see someone come attack me with out the facts!!!!

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#249 MikeE21286
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Marth6781"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

[QUOTE="Spartan8907"]Anyone else getting tired of the Wii's biggest games being Mario this or Mario that?Marth6781

It's not something that's going to change......the best games on Nintendo platforms will always be Nintendo games. Good 3rd party support is (and basically almost always has been) virtually non-existant.

looks at re4,etc.

Re4 was released back in 2005. If you wanna use that as evidence of "Great 3rd party support" then...well....go right ahead

well if you actually read the quote he said, nintendo had never had good 3rd party support, hence why i said re4. I oculd have just as easily put something from 64,NSes,etc, but i wanted to see someone come attack me with out the facts!!!!

When you say "me" you are referring to actually me. That was my post. And yes, 3rd party support has always been a weakness of Nintendo sine the 64 days. It's basically regarded as fact.

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#250 fabz_95
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Although I am a wii owner one thing I dislike is the lack of online games compared to PS3 and 360