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#51 Krelian-co
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@Chutebox said:

@k2theswiss said:

that sad when you can make whole list of a series

Why? They are all pretty different and quality titles. As long as it doesn't suck (XIII series) I'm all for it!

contrary to what haters say, every ff until ff xii was great, or at least very good, then xiii series came.

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#52 texasgoldrush
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Yet another publication that lists VI on the top......

Square Enix should learn from this.

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#53 Capitan_Kid
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FF 1,2, and 3 shouldbt be above any of the others imo. Especially 2 with its balls to the walls stupid level system.

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#54  Edited By bbkkristian
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@Gue1: when FFV has perfected the job system introduced in FFIII, I don't see any reason not to place it on the list. The Final Fantasy job system is a masterpiece (FFIII, FFV, FFT, FFD, BD), each game that utilizes it I can easily recommend someone who enjoys a creative battle system.

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#55 Lucianu
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Perfect list.

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#56  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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VI oh shit, it's hipster time.

VII's the best final fantasy, it's got huge tits, it's got a foul mouthed but generally misunderstood giant black man with a gatling gun for a hand, he must have one interesting time wiping his ass maybe that's why he's so mad. Terrorism, that's right guys AVALANCHE are terrorists, it's got Ninja's and evil corporations, and it's got a giant box cutter. Deal with it.

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@ReadingRainbow4:

FFX is teh best ff and i'll stab you if you DISAGREE with internet opinionz *hipster*

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#58  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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@Netret0120 said:

@ReadingRainbow4:

FFX is teh best ff and i'll stab you if you DISAGREE with internet opinionz *hipster*

And I'll poor gasoline down your throat and stick a zippo up your ass creating my own version of Firaga. VII shits on FFX and it's terrible art style.

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#59  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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@texasgoldrush said:

Yet another publication that lists VI on the top......

Square Enix should learn from this.

Squenix logic:

THEY SEEM TO REALLY LIKE 13x3 guys, Let's give them some more Lightning!

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#60  Edited By mystic_knight
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I know FF VIII had the flawed Junction system and the main protagonist was overly Emo, but the cast of FF VIII and the story of FF VIII was probably some of the best ever written.

FF VIII is my personal favourite despite those issues and it not being on the list proves to me that they either didn't play the game or have no idea what they are talking about. Seifer as Squall's Rival and an emotionally disturbed child who wished to feel embraced from a troubled youth made such a great villain. Quistis who felt love for Squall primarily because she grew up with him but knew it was probably feelings of a carer made another interesting side love story. Laguna was potentially one of the nicest heroes ever made in a final fantasy game, that guy was always my role model, sadly i played a little more like Irvine, the perve who loved every woman he saw. Synthesising materials to create greater weapons was a great introduction. Triple triad is still one of the best card games ever and is easily more enjoyable than tetra elemental. Limit breaks in FFVIII had more attention to detail than the lame over drive limit in FF IX which if not used in battle was wasted.

The OST of FF VIII was also brilliant. From great tracks such as Man with a machine gun to the Synth driven Esthar city sound track and one of the best main themes ever made Eyes on Me. As much as I love songs like melodies of life and Suteki Da Ne, Eyes on me will always be ranked as my favourite track in Final Fantasy history.

FF VIII is and forever will be my favourite game of all time.

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Why is VI the best?

Because instead of telling a convoluted plot based on messy lore, which the rest of the series VII and after is guilty of, FFVI focused on its characters and its themes with the lore complimenting the narrative not confusing it.

XIII on the other hand....yuck.

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#62 Krelian-co
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@ReadingRainbow4 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

Yet another publication that lists VI on the top......

Square Enix should learn from this.

Squenix logic:

THEY SEEM TO REALLY LIKE 13x3 guys, Let's give them some more Lightning!

i seriously think square enix at this point in run by people 100% disconnected from gaming

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not a bad list and grade to see they put XI in it. XI stories and missions were (are) really epic and awesome!

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@texasgoldrush said:

Why is VI the best?

Because instead of telling a convoluted plot based on messy lore, which the rest of the series VII and after is guilty of, FFVI focused on its characters and its themes with the lore complimenting the narrative not confusing it.

XIII on the other hand....yuck.

I'm pretty sure IX was an exception, the character arcs compliment the theme quite well.

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I'd put FFV up higher and FFIII lower. FFV is great due to its job system. Without it, the game would be mediocre at best. But with it, the game is incredibly simple but deep and allows for tons of different combinations. Plus, it heavily inspired Bravely Default, which is nice. FFIII is just bad. There's never any incentive to change jobs; in fact the game penalizes you. I'm not averse to old school, but the game's old school to a fault.

Also, not sure I'd put FFIV so high. Granted, it's a great game and was important for RPGs but it's somewhat simple by today's standards. There's not much in the way of customization compared to other JRPGs and not much to do once the game is beaten. Like I said, it's still a great and important game, but some aspects haven't aged terribly well.

But I agree with FFVI at the top. Of the ones I've played, it has the coolest story and best cast, as well as a fun (if insanely exploitable) battle system. Plus, dat Kefka.

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@mystic_knight said:

I know FF VIII had the flawed Junction system and the main protagonist was overly Emo, but the cast of FF VIII and the story of FF VIII was probably some of the best ever written.

FF VIII is my personal favourite despite those issues and it not being on the list proves to me that they either didn't play the game or have no idea what they are talking about. Seifer as Squall's Rival and an emotionally disturbed child who wished to feel embraced from a troubled youth made such a great villain. Quistis who felt love for Squall primarily because she grew up with him but knew it was probably feelings of a carer made another interesting side love story. Laguna was potentially one of the nicest heroes ever made in a final fantasy game, that guy was always my role model, sadly i played a little more like Irvine, the perve who loved every woman he saw. Synthesising materials to create greater weapons was a great introduction. Triple triad is still one of the best card games ever and is easily more enjoyable than tetra elemental. Limit breaks in FFVIII had more attention to detail than the lame over drive limit in FF IX which if not used in battle was wasted.

The OST of FF VIII was also brilliant. From great tracks such as Man with a machine gun to the Synth driven Esthar city sound track and one of the best main themes ever made Eyes on Me. As much as I love songs like melodies of life and Suteki Da Ne, Eyes on me will always be ranked as my favourite track in Final Fantasy history.

FF VIII is and forever will be my favourite game of all time.

Agree, it's one of the best FF's.

But OMG, that GT list is horrible. But what can you expect from, they were so easily bribed by some doritos and mountain dew.

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#67 turtlethetaffer
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@Suppaman100 said:

@mystic_knight said:

I know FF VIII had the flawed Junction system and the main protagonist was overly Emo, but the cast of FF VIII and the story of FF VIII was probably some of the best ever written.

FF VIII is my personal favourite despite those issues and it not being on the list proves to me that they either didn't play the game or have no idea what they are talking about. Seifer as Squall's Rival and an emotionally disturbed child who wished to feel embraced from a troubled youth made such a great villain. Quistis who felt love for Squall primarily because she grew up with him but knew it was probably feelings of a carer made another interesting side love story. Laguna was potentially one of the nicest heroes ever made in a final fantasy game, that guy was always my role model, sadly i played a little more like Irvine, the perve who loved every woman he saw. Synthesising materials to create greater weapons was a great introduction. Triple triad is still one of the best card games ever and is easily more enjoyable than tetra elemental. Limit breaks in FFVIII had more attention to detail than the lame over drive limit in FF IX which if not used in battle was wasted.

The OST of FF VIII was also brilliant. From great tracks such as Man with a machine gun to the Synth driven Esthar city sound track and one of the best main themes ever made Eyes on Me. As much as I love songs like melodies of life and Suteki Da Ne, Eyes on me will always be ranked as my favourite track in Final Fantasy history.

FF VIII is and forever will be my favourite game of all time.

Agree, it's one of the best FF's.

But OMG, that GT list is horrible. But what can you expect from, they were so easily bribed by some doritos and mountain dew.

If they were bribed by Doritos and Mt. dew wouldn't you expect the most modern games to be near the top of their list? FFVI is really old. So's FFIV, and FFIX. The top three games they chose.

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@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush said:

Why is VI the best?

Because instead of telling a convoluted plot based on messy lore, which the rest of the series VII and after is guilty of, FFVI focused on its characters and its themes with the lore complimenting the narrative not confusing it.

XIII on the other hand....yuck.

I'm pretty sure IX was an exception, the character arcs compliment the theme quite well.

yeah it is....the plot isn't very good, the characters really make up for it.

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#69  Edited By hiphops_savior
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@texasgoldrush: What made the plot not very good? The ending was one of the best in the series. I agree that some of the characters were underdeveloped, though.

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#70 ratchet_usa
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@Krelian-co: I think Final Fantasy 9 is way to high in that list. The top three Final Fantasy games will always be

1.Fina Fantasy 12

2.Final Fantasy 7

3. Final Fantasy 13...................................LMAO I kid I kid.... I meant Final Fantasy 10

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#71 good_sk8er7
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@I respect this list. Although not quite the same as my own list.

1.) FFX

2.) FFVIII

3.) FFIX

4.) FFVII

5.) FFXIII

Of course I haven't gotten around to playing 2-6 yet. So the list could change after that. I wouldn't put FF or FFXII on any list.

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#72 Krelian-co
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@ratchet_usa said:

@Krelian-co: I think Final Fantasy 9 is way to high in that list. The top three Final Fantasy games will always be

1.Fina Fantasy 12

2.Final Fantasy 7

3. Final Fantasy 13...................................LMAO I kid I kid.... I meant Final Fantasy 10

well there never will be a consensus on this, i personally think ff ix is the second best followed by vi, but it's all matter of opinions, the one thing that is clear is that most people seem to agree vi is the best one.

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I pretty much agree with that. Especially the top 4.

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@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: What made the plot not very good? The ending was one of the best in the series. I agree that some of the characters were underdeveloped, though.

For IX: It was another convoluted fantasy plot, and it takes and repeats some of VI's ideas.

The cast however was the best since VI.

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Does anyone have the XIII franchise as their favourite ff?

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@texasgoldrush said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: What made the plot not very good? The ending was one of the best in the series. I agree that some of the characters were underdeveloped, though.

For IX: It was another convoluted fantasy plot, and it takes and repeats some of VI's ideas.

The cast however was the best since VI.

Yet, you considered IX to be an exception. How do you define convoluted?

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#77  Edited By Wiimotefan
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That's a surprisingly good list. O_O

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#78  Edited By inggrish
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When you are able to have a 'top 10' within a single series, and still have many left over, you know that series has gone on for too long.

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@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: What made the plot not very good? The ending was one of the best in the series. I agree that some of the characters were underdeveloped, though.

For IX: It was another convoluted fantasy plot, and it takes and repeats some of VI's ideas.

The cast however was the best since VI.

Yet, you considered IX to be an exception. How do you define convoluted?

because while the plot is convoluted, a lot of focus was given on its characters, more so than I feel with VII, VIII, X, and XIII

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#80  Edited By Legend500
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VII is the best

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@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

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@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

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@Krelian-co said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

Thanks mod.

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FFVIII was my favorite FF game.. boooooo!!!!!

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#85 Lionheart08
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To be honest, I find IV to be the most overrated Final Fantasy.

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FF9 with a FLAWED power move (you can't save it for boss battles), doesn't deserve a 2nd place. 8-\

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@Krelian-co said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

and arguing with Krelian is like arguing with an amoeba...arguing time and time with someone who really doesn't get it.

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#88  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@hiphops_savior said:

@Krelian-co said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

Thanks mod.

No, he is an idiot.

For FFIX, its convoluted because the plot is simply more complex than in needs to be, in a way where it actually hurts the story. And how it hurts FFIX is the pacing as well as taking the spotlight off FFIX's strength's...its characters.

FFVI does not have these issues, and in the end, its the better storyline.

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The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

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#90  Edited By texasgoldrush
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@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

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#91  Edited By DarkLink77
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@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

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#92 Krelian-co
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@texasgoldrush said:

@Krelian-co said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

and arguing with Krelian is like arguing with an amoeba...arguing time and time with someone who really doesn't get it.

lol the butthurt is tangible, you seem to fail to understand the difference between not agreeing and not understanding but i guess in your basement your imaginary friends share your same opinion. oh well you got the arguing time and time again right, is all you do after all, say something, someone disagree and then spam the thread with a hundred posts even when everyone says to you how much of an idiot you are.

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#93 texasgoldrush
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@Krelian-co said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@Krelian-co said:

@hiphops_savior said:

@texasgoldrush: Specifically, where you do think IX is convoluted? You didn't understand answer my question of how you define convoluted/

arguing with texas is like arguing with a wall, just do what most people do and ignore him, you have been warned.

and arguing with Krelian is like arguing with an amoeba...arguing time and time with someone who really doesn't get it.

lol the butthurt is tangible, you seem to fail to understand the difference between not agreeing and not understanding but i guess in your basement your imaginary friends share your same opinion. oh well you got the arguing time and time again right, is all you do after all, say something, someone disagree and then spam the thread with a hundred posts even when everyone says to you how much of an idiot you are.

Ever thought in that little brain of yours that I am not arguing with people because they disagree with me, but because they are factually wrong, and they insist that they are right?

You do not understand the differences between facts and opinions.

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#94 texasgoldrush
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@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

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The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

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@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

The story in the actual game (Lost Odyssey) is great as well, minus the villain.

Suikoden II, despite its poor translation, its probably the best overall story for a JRPG. It breaks so many JRPG clichés, and it takes skill to pull off a story that ends up being good vs good.

And really, XII's gameplay is far from bad.....Nevermind the fact that Bioware actually copied it for Dragon Age Origins. And really FFXII is better than DAO, both story and gameplaywise.

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@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

The story in the actual game (Lost Odyssey) is great as well, minus the villain.

Suikoden II, despite its poor translation, its probably the best overall story for a JRPG. It breaks so many JRPG clichés, and it takes skill to pull off a story that ends up being good vs good.

And really, XII's gameplay is far from bad.....Nevermind the fact that Bioware actually copied it for Dragon Age Origins. And really FFXII is better than DAO, both story and gameplaywise.

It's okay. I dunno if I'd call it "great." Good maybe, but I wouldn't go further.

Never played it. Maybe I'll look into it once I get some free time.

It was pretty bad.

I think they were drawing more from Baldur's Gate than FFXII, but w/e. I'm not really interested in talking about BioWare games at the moment.

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#98 texasgoldrush
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@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

The story in the actual game (Lost Odyssey) is great as well, minus the villain.

Suikoden II, despite its poor translation, its probably the best overall story for a JRPG. It breaks so many JRPG clichés, and it takes skill to pull off a story that ends up being good vs good.

And really, XII's gameplay is far from bad.....Nevermind the fact that Bioware actually copied it for Dragon Age Origins. And really FFXII is better than DAO, both story and gameplaywise.

It's okay. I dunno if I'd call it "great." Good maybe, but I wouldn't go further.

Never played it. Maybe I'll look into it once I get some free time.

It was pretty bad.

I think they were drawing more from Baldur's Gate than FFXII, but w/e. I'm not really interested in talking about BioWare games at the moment.

No, Bioware basically ripped off the system of FFXII where you can customize what the AI companions would do in a give situation. It took FFXII's Gambit system to the letter.

I am surprised Square Enix did not sue them.

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@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

The story in the actual game (Lost Odyssey) is great as well, minus the villain.

Suikoden II, despite its poor translation, its probably the best overall story for a JRPG. It breaks so many JRPG clichés, and it takes skill to pull off a story that ends up being good vs good.

And really, XII's gameplay is far from bad.....Nevermind the fact that Bioware actually copied it for Dragon Age Origins. And really FFXII is better than DAO, both story and gameplaywise.

It's okay. I dunno if I'd call it "great." Good maybe, but I wouldn't go further.

Never played it. Maybe I'll look into it once I get some free time.

It was pretty bad.

I think they were drawing more from Baldur's Gate than FFXII, but w/e. I'm not really interested in talking about BioWare games at the moment.

No, Bioware basically ripped off the system of FFXII where you can customize what the AI companions would do in a give situation. It took FFXII's Gambit system to the letter.

I am surprised Square Enix did not sue them.

Good for them?

They didn't because they didn't care. Every studio in the industry rips ideas from one another.

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#100 texasgoldrush
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@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

@texasgoldrush said:

@DarkLink77 said:

The fact that XII is on the list at all, nevermind in the top 4, is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen.

It really is the 4th best FF title. Its better than VII and X, that's for sure.

Nevermind Matsuno's influence made the title better written than the "Team 1" Final Fantasies.

The License System is atrocious, the main characters are a joke, and the battles are boring because the game plays itself. Sure the story was interesting, but the actual game? Not so much. Would rather play literally any other Final Fantasy besides VIII, because that game is garbage.

At least X and VII had the decency to have good leveling and combat systems.

I mean, shit, if all I wanted was a well-written JRPG with a good story, I'd just go play Xenogears.

Xenogears is an unfinished pretentious game that tries to do too much...I would not rank it over something like Final Fantasy Tactics, Suikoden II, Mother 3, and even parts of Lost Odyssey, which its short stories for Kaim's backstory are the king of JRPG writing. At least Xenogears is better than Xenosaga.

And really, VI did not have the best gameplay, but still, its the best overall game. And the International version of FFXII is better than the regular version.

I don't think I'd call that game pretentious (I think it's too smart to be pretentious. It doesn't always execute perfectly, but it is dealing with some pretty heavy ideas), but unfinished? Yeah, it was. I'd still rather play it than FFXII. Of those games, the only one I've played is Lost Odyssey, which was pretty cool, especially the short stories. Now, if only they could move that level of quality into the actual game...

So? XII's gameplay is boring and badly designed. The worst thing you can throw at VI's gameplay is that it's mediocre. XII's is actually bad.

The International version is a crutch used by people to defend the fact that the gameplay in the original is horrendous, especially since it was never released in the U.S. If you have to have a re-release to fix your game, your game was badly designed. End of story.

The story in the actual game (Lost Odyssey) is great as well, minus the villain.

Suikoden II, despite its poor translation, its probably the best overall story for a JRPG. It breaks so many JRPG clichés, and it takes skill to pull off a story that ends up being good vs good.

And really, XII's gameplay is far from bad.....Nevermind the fact that Bioware actually copied it for Dragon Age Origins. And really FFXII is better than DAO, both story and gameplaywise.

It's okay. I dunno if I'd call it "great." Good maybe, but I wouldn't go further.

Never played it. Maybe I'll look into it once I get some free time.

It was pretty bad.

I think they were drawing more from Baldur's Gate than FFXII, but w/e. I'm not really interested in talking about BioWare games at the moment.

No, Bioware basically ripped off the system of FFXII where you can customize what the AI companions would do in a give situation. It took FFXII's Gambit system to the letter.

I am surprised Square Enix did not sue them.

Good for them?

They didn't because they didn't care. Every studio in the industry rips ideas from one another.

But it goes to show that FFXII's combat system was indeed influential and successful.