Gaming is degrading fast, who is to blame? Nintendo?

Humanity is to blame for the decline in the games industry. Nintendo are simply catering to the lazy lesser beings of this world(the majority). Therefore games with any depth crumble into dust.Dahaka-UK

Did you just call the majority of the world, lesser beings compared to yourself? You are joking right?

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"] why is it all the console devs have so much trouble now that they are making HD games? its been like that for a long time on the PC and the PC devs are doing just fineshadow_hosi

Humanity is to blame for the decline in the games industry. Nintendo are simply catering to the lazy lesser beings of this world(the majority). Therefore games with any depth crumble into dust.Dahaka-UK

Nintendo creates a console that has a controller that uses movement and introduces the Wii fit, and you believe they are catering to "lazy lesser beings"?

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Humanity is to blame for the decline in the games industry. Nintendo are simply catering to the lazy lesser beings of this world(the majority). Therefore games with any depth crumble into dust.jimkabrhel

Nintendo creates a console that has a controller that uses movement and introduces the Wii fit, and you believe they are catering to "lazy lesser beings"?

forget about the nintendo reference. Did he just say that he considers himself a higher being than the majority of the world?

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[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Humanity is to blame for the decline in the games industry. Nintendo are simply catering to the lazy lesser beings of this world(the majority). Therefore games with any depth crumble into dust.ActicEdge

Nintendo creates a console that has a controller that uses movement and introduces the Wii fit, and you believe they are catering to "lazy lesser beings"?

forget about the nintendo reference. Did he just say that he considers himself a higher being than the majority of the world?

"Apple products are an insult to human intelligence - just like Nintendo".

This quote made my day

We need to act before it's too late! We need to stop this casual Crap! Only way to this is to slice the head off Nintendo!

Viva la Hardcore gamer Revolution!

zaku101

Gamers of course, for wanting shooter after shooter followed by the annual Madden game.Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Gamers of course, for wanting shooter after shooter followed by the annual Madden game.Vanadium2k8

totally disagree, there's a lack of actual good first person shooters, that have had alot of attention to detail put into them.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Gamers of course, for wanting shooter after shooter followed by the annual Madden game.Vanadium2k8

Maybe everyone on this board feels like gaming is going downhill because they're growing tired of it? >.> Just a hunch.killab2oo5

no the games just suck now.

If anyone is too blame for the degradation of gaming, it would have to be the consumers.... companies wouldnt make it, if they didnt think they could sell it. Can't blame a company for wanting to make a buck. Too many moms and dads, grandma's and grandpa's going to gaming stores and picking up crappy titles for their poor son, daughters and/or grandchildren.

"ANUBIS II.... ahh Geee, grandpa, thx alot...."

Nintendo does nothing but support gaming and help innovate it, of course they make mistakes (ie: Virtua Boy & Wii Music), but they've provided so many great gaming experiences that i can forgive some crap.

it's a shame nintendo has turned so casual, they used to make some pretty damn hard games.

nintendo entertainment system, nes was my second console ever, atari2600 was my first.

i think nintendo started losing themselves gamecube era, the gamecube was actually alright, but they should of took online seriously that gen.

it seems nintendo doesnt care about making powerful consoles anymore, n64 was made to own all consoles back in the day.

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Gamers of course, for wanting shooter after shooter followed by the annual Madden game.Great_Ragnarok

in 1994 nintendo of america sent me a vhs/video tape it was the making of donkey kong country for super nintendo, i was blown away by the graphics on that, but at the end of the video the camera guy went into a room where they were playing nintendo 64 it's original name was ultra64 they were playing killer instinct, but after seeing that i knew the console was gonna be special.

ultra64/n64 didnt release untill 1996, but nintendo used to care about making powerful hardware/good graphics games.

Here's an idea, how about consoles produce console games?

The biggest achievement they are aiming for this gen seems to be getting the RTS genre to work with consoles so they can milk it to death. Added with the sheer number of FPS games consoles seem too busy imitating PC to focus on actual console genres. Platformers, beatem-ups and JRPGs are at a all time low this gen.

What have consoles actually introduced this gen? The only thing I can think of is motion control, everything else is copying PC gaming in some way. PC is evolving down its own path and consoles seem to want to tag along, they should be advancing along their own rout; one that makes more sense for consoles and their audience.

At this rate consoles will just end up closed platform, none upgradable PCs with games that make more sense on PC. These were supposed to be dedicated gaming machines, they are too expensive for the console market and their business models have become bloated.

Blame gamers. You self proclaimed hardcore guys are out there refusing to buy anything thats not a shooter, then you sit around and say, "where's all the good games??? It must be Nintendo. Anyways, let me go preorder Guns of Duty 58, Gunzone 2, Guns of War 2." There are plenty of great shooters out there. You guys buy them so they make them. You guys don't buy anything else, so nobody bothers making it. This is a 100% consumer driven process. Its gotten so bad that now horror games like Silent Hill have to have gunplay in order to even be considered a game. Mirror's Edge throws in guns solely because if it didn't have it, you guys would call it kiddy and say that it's ruining gaming. The Wii and DS are one of the only places where you can have a game with zero guns and it can still sell millions.Senor_Kami

People use the excuse and blame it on 'shooters'.
If it wasnt for shooters, the games you see out today, wouldnt be around.
Its quite easy to pick up a decent game other than a shooter.

But nintendo has gained the casual market like nothing else, including audiences like soccer moms, kids, with things like wii fit.

Great marketting or great software? You decide.

This isnt gonna stop developers making new and original games for this gen anyhow.

Nintendo's success this gen, has lowered the bar considerably for next gen. I really think MS & Sony will reserve going for all out power next gen, and will focus more on this paddle waving, loony bin, casual phenominon the Wii has managed to create.

It's sad to think I may get caught playing GeOW, waggling my loony bin stick around my living room, wearing nothing but crotch stained white under pants and a omnius 5 oclock shadow (from my chin going down to my lower extremities) through the uncurtained window.

The Wii and casual dominated install base could potentially be the downfall of gaming evolving beyond gimmicky, drunken party shenanigens. People bashed Sony for appealing to the casual market last gen. But the PS2 had games for everyone. For every 50 cent:Bulletproof, there was a Ico, Shadow, GOW, GT, and the list goes on.

Nintendo is most certainly NOT to blame for the current state of the gaming industry...67gt500

Nintendo's success this gen, has lowered the bar considerably for next gen. I really think MS & Sony will reserve going for all out power next gen, and will focus more on this paddle waving, loony bin, casual phenominon the Wii has managed to create.

It's sad to think I may get caught playing GeOW, waggling my loony bin stick around my living room, wearing nothing but crotch stained white under pants and a omnius 5 oclock shadow (from my chin going down to my lower extremities) through the uncurtained window.

The Wii and casual dominated install base could potentially be the downfall of gaming evolving beyond gimmicky, drunken party shenanigens. People bashed Sony for appealing to the casual market last gen. But the PS2 had games for everyone. For every 50 cent:Bulletproof, there was a Ico, Shadow, GOW, GT, and the list goes on.

Harry_Balzac

[QUOTE="Zaistev_basic"][QUOTE="habkeinbock"]get a wii and save the industry :Dshadow_hosi

PC's are in just about every house. HD consoles + HDTV's are not. When aiming at a giant market ... even mediocre games can sell more than something aimed at a limited market.

[QUOTE="67gt500"]Nintendo is most certainly NOT to blame for the current state of the gaming industry...fabz_95

Couldn't agree more. IMO, it seems like the last decade has had an ever-increasing focus on shooters. Other than sports games, the FPS [or survival,etc] genre has dominated and in my opinion the PS3/360 are aimed for those games.

As someone, who after 5 years of FPS, got sick of them in the 90's ... the HD consoles offer little excitement personally.

Add to all this the fact that HDTV's are not in every house, and that for many homes - the biggest/best TV is used every evening for watching TV itself. With a family, the thought of gaming on our main TV for a couple hours nightly is selfish ... so beyond the odd night I'm the only one home, I play on our non-HDTV.

Graphics don't matter as much, if you're rarely playing on the big HD.

[QUOTE="67gt500"]Nintendo is most certainly NOT to blame for the current state of the gaming industry...fabz_95

*Sigh*

all i hear in this thread is Sheep going "I blame HD/ Shooters" (kind of a coincidence since they lack both)

And the other fanboys going "I blame the Wii" (kind of odd again since it has sold more than any other of the consoles)

People need to take their fanboy glasses off and take a reality check, Gaming is fine.

[QUOTE="fabz_95"][QUOTE="67gt500"]Nintendo is most certainly NOT to blame for the current state of the gaming industry...BoloTheGreat

*Sigh*

all i hear in this thread is Sheep going "I blame HD/ Shooters" (kind of a coincidence since they lack both)

And the other fanboys going "I blame the Wii" (kind of odd again since it has sold more than any other of the consoles)

People need to take their fanboy glasses off and take a reality check, Gaming is fine.

Gaming is fine. It's actually become a MUCH larger market ... and thus the diversity we see.

There isn't one kind of rock music - once the genre matured it spawned whole new sub-genres and a giant audience. Like music, gaming has gone through a big change in the last decade and now appeals to a vast number more people.

Thus, the genre of hardcore-type games is a much smaller segment of what's now a much bigger pie.

Gaming is doing great, actually.

[QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"]

Nintendo's success this gen, has lowered the bar considerably for next gen. I really think MS & Sony will reserve going for all out power next gen, and will focus more on this paddle waving, loony bin, casual phenominon the Wii has managed to create.

It's sad to think I may get caught playing GeOW, waggling my loony bin stick around my living room, wearing nothing but crotch stained white under pants and a omnius 5 oclock shadow (from my chin going down to my lower extremities) through the uncurtained window.

The Wii and casual dominated install base could potentially be the downfall of gaming evolving beyond gimmicky, drunken party shenanigens. People bashed Sony for appealing to the casual market last gen. But the PS2 had games for everyone. For every 50 cent:Bulletproof, there was a Ico, Shadow, GOW, GT, and the list goes on.

thesmiter

No, I just did say that.

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

[QUOTE="fabz_95"] Definitely not, I'd say it's more all the generic shooters being made thats to blame.CoralMark

*Sigh*

all i hear in this thread is Sheep going "I blame HD/ Shooters" (kind of a coincidence since they lack both)

And the other fanboys going "I blame the Wii" (kind of odd again since it has sold more than any other of the consoles)

People need to take their fanboy glasses off and take a reality check, Gaming is fine.

Gaming is fine. It's actually become a MUCH larger market ... and thus the diversity we see.

There isn't one kind of rock music - once the genre matured it spawned whole new sub-genres and a giant audience. Like music, gaming has gone through a big change in the last decade and now appeals to a vast number more people.

Thus, the genre of hardcore-type games is a much smaller segment of what's now a much bigger pie.

Gaming is doing great, actually.

Finally a good analogy to this thread topic.

[QUOTE="thesmiter"][QUOTE="Harry_Balzac"]

Nintendo's success this gen, has lowered the bar considerably for next gen. I really think MS & Sony will reserve going for all out power next gen, and will focus more on this paddle waving, loony bin, casual phenominon the Wii has managed to create.

It's sad to think I may get caught playing GeOW, waggling my loony bin stick around my living room, wearing nothing but crotch stained white under pants and a omnius 5 oclock shadow (from my chin going down to my lower extremities) through the uncurtained window.

The Wii and casual dominated install base could potentially be the downfall of gaming evolving beyond gimmicky, drunken party shenanigens. People bashed Sony for appealing to the casual market last gen. But the PS2 had games for everyone. For every 50 cent:Bulletproof, there was a Ico, Shadow, GOW, GT, and the list goes on.

Harry_Balzac

No, I just did say that.

I don't think gaming is on the decline, but more of that unique ideas are going down.Legendaryscmt

[QUOTE="CoralMark"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

*Sigh*

all i hear in this thread is Sheep going "I blame HD/ Shooters" (kind of a coincidence since they lack both)

And the other fanboys going "I blame the Wii" (kind of odd again since it has sold more than any other of the consoles)

People need to take their fanboy glasses off and take a reality check, Gaming is fine.

jimkabrhel

Gaming is fine. It's actually become a MUCH larger market ... and thus the diversity we see.

There isn't one kind of rock music - once the genre matured it spawned whole new sub-genres and a giant audience. Like music, gaming has gone through a big change in the last decade and now appeals to a vast number more people.

Thus, the genre of hardcore-type games is a much smaller segment of what's now a much bigger pie.

Gaming is doing great, actually.

Finally a good analogy to this thread topic.

Argh yes. It is good to be positive and glass half fullish. But it would be half foolish to not think that MS & Sony have now seen that powerhouse machines do not pay like last gen technology, with overpriced new gimmicky controllers. I'm not sure you'd be saying the same if we have three Wii-esque machines next gen, and the only place to get great graphics will be on pc.

In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.JabbaDaHutt30

Childish name calling. Lovely.

Nintendo has been making games like that since the early 80s. How could that be changing the gaming landscape now?

In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.JabbaDaHutt30

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.jimkabrhel

Childish name calling. Lovely.

Nintendo has been making games like that since the early 80s. How could that be changing the gaming landscape now?

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.HarlockJC

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.JabbaDaHutt30

Ever thought that maybe videogames could be an evolving media with phases and styles?


It happens in music and in movies, in which certain genres dominate and define years or decades. When videogames started it was all about platformers. Later on it was all about RPGs. Now it's all about shooters. Think of how many bad platforming games came out in the 80s and early 90s. All the mediocre RPGs that came out during the PS1/PS2 days.

People will eventually get tired of shooters and something else will be popular later on. It's already starting anyways.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"]In my opinion, it's all Nintendork's fault for casualizing video games. Keep your Carnival Games and Mario Tennis please.JabbaDaHutt30

[QUOTE="JabbaDaHutt30"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"] There are games like Mario Tennis on every game system. Some people like myself rather play an arcade sports game over a sim sports game.HarlockJC