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#1 Toriko42
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Cliff Bleszinski is one of the biggest talents in the North American video game industry. He has made the best new IP of the generation, thats a rare thing to see in this generation which seems to be sequel after sequel. He's made two games in two years that have gotten universal AAA ratings and he is a huge talent. He has something many people don't have, he knows what people want in their games and he never lies about his games unlike that Molynator.

What is with all the Dude Huge hate though, why do Cows and Sheep like to pick on him for being outspoken? Kojima is an amazing video game maker but he's also one of the biggest trolls of all time (I love him for that though). There are way more people to pick on, Cliffy B hasn't done anything but say his opinions why do you care. They make sense most of the time anyways. He asks questions normal people have, he's not an elitest gamer, he's a regular guy who likes his chainsaws, guns, and gore. What's wrong with that, as long as he makes the games.

Get off his back, he's done nothing wrong. He's a great developer and he's more successful then most will ever become in the gaming industry. Cliff to the 360 is like what Kojima is to the PS3 or Miyamoto is to the Wii. As far as this generation goes he runs the system. It's unnecessary to just flame Cliff and make a 20 page thread when he says something harmless like, "Mirrors Edge looks awesome but where is the gun play? I'd like to see more of it".

I'll admit, I'm a Gears of War fanboy but seriously give credit where it's due.
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#2 Giancar
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kojima a troll :|
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#3 Toriko42
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kojima a troll :|Giancar
Lol yeah, he's one of my favorite developers but come on the man loves it
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#4 BobHipJames
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The only respect I'm willing to afford him is that he was willing to reciprocate to Ted Price.

This Mirrors Edge criticism is totally ridiculous. He's said dumb stuff in the past, but I'm willing to excuse it and take it totally in good fun. I can be a jerk too.

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#5 cloudff7tm
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I agree man. It seems like people love to diss or hate him for no real reason. He seems like a cool guy.
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#6 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]kojima a troll :|Toriko42
Lol yeah, he's one of my favorite developers but come on the man loves it

loves to do exactly what?

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#7 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"][QUOTE="Giancar"]kojima a troll :|Giancar

Lol yeah, he's one of my favorite developers but come on the man loves it

loves to do exactly what?

Trolling

MGS4 is a good example with all the Sony love. Might have been intentional, might not have been...who knows

And the unlockable cutscene coming in December I think?

All this stuff just to irk reactions and it worked.
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#8 dream431ca
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LEAVE CLIFFY ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It had to be done :P

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#9 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]Lol yeah, he's one of my favorite developers but come on the man loves it
Toriko42

loves to do exactly what?

Trolling

MGS4 is a good example with all the Sony love. Might have been intentional, might not have been...who knows

And the unlockable cutscene coming in December I think?

All this stuff just to irk reactions and it worked.

seems like you and me have a very different concept of "trolling"

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#10 Toriko42
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seems like you and me have a very different concept of "trolling"

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To throw it out there I view trolling as attempting to create discussion or irk a strong reaction in anyway possible, usually targetted at a group of people such as fanboys.
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#11 Squall18
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He's a developer of a game that sold over 2 million in one day and had rave reviews.

Personally, this guy is up there with some of my favs.

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#12 Eltroz
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I never understood the hate for Cliffy B. He is a very good developer. Most developers are the typical nerdy guys and it is nice to have some developers with his talent that does not fall into the same nerdy group.
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#13 anshul89
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I hate the new look of system wars :(
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#14 Zhengi
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"Leave Cliff Bleszinski alone!!!!"

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#15 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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aside from cliffy being on par with the father of modern gaming, i agree with your post.
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#16 Sliverwarrior
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^ I LOL On a more serious note: Its not because the guy happen to have made a game you like a lot that you have to like the guy. You could totally hate the guy and he could be the world's biggest jerk. But his game would still be good.
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#17 organic_machine
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Dear TC, you are mxing Cliffy B and his company up. Cliffy didn't make any IP. He and his company did. I am confident that Cliffy was not a total mastermind.
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#18 Toriko42
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aside from cliffy being on par with the father of modern gaming, i agree with your post.darkspineslayer
No no no, I said that his importance to the Xbox 360 is like Miyamoto's importance to the Wii. Miyamoto is God, even Cliff knows that. He says he is his biggest influence.

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#19 Toriko42
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Dear TC, you are mxing Cliffy B and his company up. Cliffy didn't make any IP. He and his company did. I am confident that Cliffy was not a total mastermind. organic_machine
Cliffy is the lead designer, by your logic that means Kojima didn't make MGS4, his company did.

Sorry, but Gears of War's state is due much to Cliff's work and his team. By saying that you're underesimating the power of every lead designer ever.
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#20 Sliverwarrior
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[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]aside from cliffy being on par with the father of modern gaming, i agree with your post.Toriko42
No no no, I said that his importance to the Xbox 360 is like Miyamoto's importance to the Wii. Miyamoto is God, even Cliff knows that. He says he is his biggest influence.

God? Man people sure like to blow things out of proportion. Yeah they're pretty good, nobody can deny that. but geeze
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#21 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="organic_machine"]Dear TC, you are mxing Cliffy B and his company up. Cliffy didn't make any IP. He and his company did. I am confident that Cliffy was not a total mastermind. Toriko42
Cliffy is the lead designer, by your logic that means Kojima didn't make MGS4, his company did.

Sorry, but Gears of War's state is due much to Cliff's work and his team. By saying that you're underesimating the power of every lead designer ever.

That is what I am saying.

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#22 Zerual
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It's just jealous cows and sheep that bash Cliff B. I agree with you TC, he just states his opinion on most subjects.
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#23 Locke562
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Sorry. Dude Huge lost my respect long ago. The success of Gears of War has gone to his head and he's gone completely bananas.
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#24 darkmoney52
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Well, the mirror's edge comment was a little stupid, but he was just speaking to his own sensibilities. But I think the real reason a lot of people hate him is because he's bashed the PC and the PS3 controller. Obviously, that kind of comment gets a lot of fire in SW.
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"Best" or "most popular" new IP? The only reason Cliffy is acting this way is because his game did well and he let it go to his head.
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#26 Toriko42
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"Best" or "most popular" new IP? The only reason Cliffy is acting this way is because his game did well and he let it go to his head.foxhound_fox
I'd be proud if I made a AAA game that made a lot of people happy and competed with the biggest FPS of all time on XBL (Halo 3)

I really would be...
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#27 phoonbaba098
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Looks like a 15 year old boy. Acts like a 15 year old boy. Wants to sleep with 15 year old boys.

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#28 redmetal86
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id rather be on his back than on his.....im not going to even finish that sentence. you fill in the blank with whatever you want.
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#29 Zerual
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"Best" or "most popular" new IP? The only reason Cliffy is acting this way is because his game did well and he let it go to his head.foxhound_fox

Yes sometimes he gets ahead of himself.

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#30 t3hTwinky
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I'll get off Cliff Bleszinski's back once Cliff Bleszinski drops this unwarranted self-importance garbage and stops acting like a douchebag.

It sounds like a fair trade to me.

 

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#31 Toriko42
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I'll get off Cliff Bleszinski's back once Cliff Bleszinski drops this unwarranted self-importance garbage and stops acting like a douchebag.

It sounds like a fair trade to me.

 

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When has he really acted like a big douchebag
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I'd be proud if I made a AAA game that made a lot of people happy and competed with the biggest FPS of all time on XBL (Halo 3)

I really would be...Toriko42

He isn't proud... he's nuts. He ragged on Mirror's Edge because there was "too much parkour" even though the game is designed to be a parkour simulator.

He let all this go to his head... now he thinks he's the best there is and nothing can compare to his awesomeness. He's like his own mindless fanboy.
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#33 Eltroz
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Looks like a 15 year old boy. Acts like a 15 year old boy. Wants to sleep with 15 year old boys.

phoonbaba098
Not the best pic to use when calling the lead designer for Epic a 15 year old when the pic you use showing Epic winning studio of the year.
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#34 anshul89
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Looks like a 15 year old boy. Acts like a 15 year old boy. Wants to sleep with 15 year old boys.

phoonbaba098
But doesn't he need to do that to become popular with lems ?
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#35 BumFluff122
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He isn't proud... he's nuts. He ragged on Mirror's Edge because there was "too much parkour" even though the game is designed to be a parkour simulator.

He let all this go to his head... now he thinks he's the best there is and nothing can compare to his awesomeness. He's like his own mindless fanboy.foxhound_fox
I've seen time and time again where people in this forum have made dumber comments than anything Cliffy B. has ever said. And they were serious about it. That being said I think cliffy B. needs to take soem classes in public speaking. Sometimes he just says things off the top of his head about his personal opinion about the games he likes and dislikes and people who hear it take it like it's fact when it's actually one mans opinion. So he likes gun, ;et him. I've also seen posts made about him dissing his comments on some video and after watching the video myself I wonder WTF the poster was talking about. It seems that most posters take things far out of proportion concerning him and oftentimes even insinuate their own misunderstandings on what he said. You know you're a good up and coming developer when people start taking your opinion as fact and begin fans of other systems begin dissing you because of your opinion. It's all blown out of proportion but yes, I do agree he needs to learn a bit more about public speaking.
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#36 organic_machine
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[QUOTE="t3hTwinky"]

I'll get off Cliff Bleszinski's back once Cliff Bleszinski drops this unwarranted self-importance garbage and stops acting like a douchebag.

It sounds like a fair trade to me.

 

Toriko42

When has he really acted like a big douchebag

Almost everything he says! Case in point. He comes out and says "PC gaming is dead." Then when he gets ripped a new one he comes out and says that "PC gaming is 'abso-friggin-lutely' back." He spouts off his opinion and makes himself look like a fool time and time again. 

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#37 DucksBrains
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People will get off his back when he stops going out of his way to make a fool of himself.
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#38 phoonbaba098
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[QUOTE="phoonbaba098"]

Looks like a 15 year old boy. Acts like a 15 year old boy. Wants to sleep with 15 year old boys.

Eltroz
Not the best pic to use when calling the lead designer for Epic a 15 year old when the pic you use showing Epic winning studio of the year.

Not questioning the ability of Cliffy B. and his studio to win awards or make good games. The arguement still stands, he's seeking attention. The boys are giving it, and Cliffy B. has even publicised that.
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#39 Blackbond
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Its just like Miz and Morrison say "BE JEALOUS!" 

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#40 glitchgeeman
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Don't get me wrong, Cliffy B is a talented developer worthy of praise for his games, but for his personality? Not a chance. He asks a game that is more creative, unique, and artistically impressive then any game he will ever make to have more guns? That would completely dilute the experience of Mirror's Edge, which is all about NOT KILLING PEOPLE. I swear, some people STILL think Mirror's Edge is primarily a first-person shooter.

And in general, he's an ass. Still, I respect him more than fanboys because unlike most trolling fanboys, Cliff is a troll that can make millions off of a decent video game series.

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#41 Juggernaut140
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He seems like a cool guy, I don't understand peoples problem with him.
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#42 hhttppp
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Kojima a troll? :shock:

Sorry I had to stop reading your post right there TC. Kojima is one of the most modest devs in the industry. He always talks down on his own creations while praising others. Even Cliffy was showing much respect for Kojima up until MGS4 released and poor Cliffy got a lil jealous.

If Kojima is a troll then Cliffy is King of the super trolls. The only dev I would compare Cliffy to is Itagaki. At least Itagaki had the best action title of all time under his belt at one point so that was understandable, but still...these devs need to make good games and mind their own.

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#43 pseudocaesar
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Yeh right, because he is the sole person responsible for creating Gears of War. Hahahahaha yeh right. The guy is a tool, i cant stand him.
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]I'd be proud if I made a AAA game that made a lot of people happy and competed with the biggest FPS of all time on XBL (Halo 3)

I really would be...foxhound_fox

He isn't proud... he's nuts. He ragged on Mirror's Edge because there was "too much parkour" even though the game is designed to be a parkour simulator.

He let all this go to his head... now he thinks he's the best there is and nothing can compare to his awesomeness. He's like his own mindless fanboy.

You're sensationalizing what he said.

Cliffy said that he wanted to see more of the combat, because he thought it was important, mentioning that "even Mario had goombas". From what I've heard, there are actually parts of the game where you're required to eliminate groups of guards (not necessarily with guns, but...). This aspect was not one that the public had seen much of to this point. It makes sense that they'd primarily exhibit the first-person platforming (that's the game's central conceit), but people are drawing what they want to see from Cliffy's comments, instead of actually reading what he said. This sort of thing happens all the time to any remotely outspoken developer. Kojima is a great example of this. 

(And if you don't think Kojima is a troll, consider that Raiden in MGS2 is meant to represent the player, and think about what his opinion of you is). 

CliffyB has always been a brash, somewhat flamboyant developer, and the reasons behind that run much deeper than 'success going to his head' or anything like that (I mean, he made his name with Jazz Jackrabbit). But he's clearly a talent in the industry, and he's no small part of why Epic is one of the most successful independent developers out there. 

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#45 channtheman1
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Leave Cliffy alone!! :cry:

But seriously, Britney Spears is really good at music and doesn't afraid of anything.

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#46 JLF1
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He makes superb games the only problem is that he talks before he thinks. Almost everything he says is blown up so I don't think he really mean too attack stuff all the time it's just his way of talking. He is more open than a lot of other devs and that sadly hurts him, he tries to stay a person and an individual instead of a PR machine like most developers.

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#47 insanejedi
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Cliff is pretty cool. Most of the press just paintbrush him as a giant douche though. This is how Cliff really is.

 

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#48 MojondeVACA
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Its ok hate on CliffB,but is not allowed to bash Kojima fanboyism and we need accept people comparing him to god :roll:
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#49 killerfist
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I must say that gears' succes went to his head, but he (and his team) still managed to make an even better sequel. And that's his job right, to make quality games? I enjoy his games, I don't care about the guy in person
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#50 Shattered007
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I think the reason there is so much hate is becase is not what you think of when you think "Game Developer". I don't know if it's becase he could get laid if he went to a club and the haters can't or if because he's not fat balding or becauses he's not a 40 somthing Japanese develper that Credits himself at the end of the game as "Voice of GOD".

But, I could care less because as long as he makes good games he could wear a dress do some cock with Lohan and kill a kitten and I wouldn't care as long as Gears 3 is good.

:P