Good-Bye Nintendo

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I have actually spent a fair bit of time on the Wii, I did get it a chance, and the general focus of the system is simply wrong *for me*. Are there going to be a few gems in the garbage heap of titles that don't appeal to me? Yes. Does that change that their focus is on the "non-gamer"? No.

Also of grave concern is this press conference was the confirmation that Nintendo is doing what they have said they're going to do. That means a host of other comments, such as "TP is the last Zelda game of its kind" are slated to come true. What Nintendo means by this, I can only shudder to imagnine.
thinicer

Okay, so we've determined that the Wii is wrong for you. That indicates to me that you are not going to get the system, or you had the system and got rid of it. Since you are clearly not interested in the Wii because of Nintendo's apparent lack of focus on the hardcore gamer, why are you still making so many posts about this? If there is one thing the free market gives us, it's options and you have the power to go out and buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 and not deal with any of this.

It just seems like it's a clear case of common sense - if you are a hardcore gamer, buy a system that caters to hardcore gamers. Many here regard the Wii as a system that caters to casuals and non-gamers. So...don't get it! Why do you have to harp on and on and complain endlessly about the system when there are other options out there?

I swear, you'd think the Wii was the only system available on the market by the amount of complaining here about Nintendo's direction.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I have actually spent a fair bit of time on the Wii, I did get it a chance, and the general focus of the system is simply wrong *for me*. Are there going to be a few gems in the garbage heap of titles that don't appeal to me? Yes. Does that change that their focus is on the "non-gamer"? No.

Also of grave concern is this press conference was the confirmation that Nintendo is doing what they have said they're going to do. That means a host of other comments, such as "TP is the last Zelda game of its kind" are slated to come true. What Nintendo means by this, I can only shudder to imagnine.
thinicer

Okay, so we've determined that the Wii is wrong for you. That indicates to me that you are not going to get the system, or you had the system and got rid of it. Since you are clearly not interested in the Wii because of Nintendo's apparent lack of focus on the hardcore gamer, why are you still making so many posts about this? If there is one thing the free market gives us, it's options and you have the power to go out and buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 and not deal with any of this.

It just seems like it's a clear case of common sense - if you are a hardcore gamer, buy a system that caters to hardcore gamers. Many here regard the Wii as a system that caters to casuals and non-gamers. So...don't get it! Why do you have to harp on and on and complain endlessly about the system when there are other options out there?

I swear, you'd think the Wii was the only system available on the market by the amount of complaining here about Nintendo's direction.

IT's sad to admit what they are doing, but they are doing it. I can't say it, I still have hope that you (The TC) have lost for the big N, and that is pathetic on my part.

Nintendo...

Nintendo...

Well, I guess it's tough to let go, but Honestly, I haven't touched my Wii in a few months now...it's tragic, but I thought something was going to happen.

Instead, they make a Wii version of Eyetoy Kinetic, and dumb down Metroid. Why?

Expect a MASSIVE SHEEP BACKLASH to start tomorrow. Nintendo has One more year, then I'm selling the Wii if they don't straighten up.

BTW : I've been saying the same things about the Wii, but Sheep don't want to hear it. It's tough, but I don't like calling my $250 entertainment machine a paperweight, but when I've been relegated to playing VC games that I own on the original console, it's a sad state of affairs for a gamer.

SolidTy

I feel the same way. I've been regretting my purchase since the day I got it. I started to play Red Steel and I realized how horrible it was, and maybe the wii might not be so great for FPS. I too have only been playing VC games, but the nostalgia quickly wears off, and I find myself wanting more. I am glad that I have a 360 to satisfy my true gaming needs.

You think we should exalt the fanboys? Praise them? I value open minds.

Fanboy =/= close minded. If they can debate well enough, why not? Of course, GUFU will never see that.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

It depends on how you interpret the word "fanboy".There is such a thing as a "blind fanboy",and such a thing as "fanboy,but not blind".

I believe Jandurin was refering to the term "blind fanboy".A person who would consider themselves a "fanboy",but is open-minded and posts rather well would be welcomed into GUFU,but a "blind fanboy" would not.A while ago,I considered myself a "fanboy",but was let in because I was not a "blind fanboy".

I can understand why you frown upon GUFU,but we're all nice people.:)

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="shadow_702"]FACT almost 60% of system wars is bashing Wiifit FACT: Those 60% are probably the ones who need it the most ;)shadow_702

You know I dont think one person can represent an entire group of people Wiifit could possibly help pertain to Americas child obesity issue in fact parents would probably stop bashing video games if they saw this. Also they tried lat gen really hard just to pertain to one crowd of people they failed the Ps2 won mostly because of casuals buying the GTF series So you see its not that Nintendo has forgotten the hardcore crowd (theres still Corruption galaxy and brawl to look forward to this year) its just there a business (businesses want profit) and they dont want to fail like they did last gen.

GUFU is opposed to fanboys. Fanboys are people who support a brand blindly - in other words they put a brand before games - they will automatically hate "killzone 2" because it's made by Sony, or buy "Nintendo / Sony / Microsoft" game over another company's game, simply because of brand.

Brand loyalty is a form of mental illness that we're opposed to.

Other than that, GUFU has no requirements, if you feel that a group is elitist for being opposed to brand loyalty that overrides logic, and taking a few steps to allow posters to discuss their ideas in a relaxed environment, free from the knee-jerk reactions, hate, and bashing that come in SW, I'm sorry, that wasn't the intention of closed membership. Membership is selective because GUFU is not SW, and when we want SW type debate, we come here.

As a self-confessed fanboy, no, there would not be a place for you in GUFU. However, if you wished to renounce your fanboy stance, and demonstrated logical, thoughtful posting, we do not discriminate against members simply because they made mistakes in the past.

I fail to see how a group of posters wanting to create a place for people they feel can discuss gaming without conflict harms you in any way, and has Jandurin has told you, you're more than welcome to view our postings, I know that I personally respond to PMs if you have any further questions.
subrosian

Being a fanboy does not stop you in any way from making logical posts.

Closed membership is elitist, especially when you're parading around in SW with GUFU in your sigs, making posts like these, insulting the intelligence of the posters here. If GUFU is so opposed to SW, its members shouldn't be here.

It doesn't hurt me that you have a secret club, I just dislike the fact that you must extol its vitrues while keeping a closed membership. Really, I couldn't care less about it, I'd leave it alone...if you guys left us alone.

I realize this is getting off-topic, though, so if you'd rather not discuss it further, that's fine.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"] You think we should exalt the fanboys? Praise them? I value open minds.

Fanboy =/= close minded. If they can debate well enough, why not? Of course, GUFU will never see that.

VGobbsesser

It depends on how you interpret the word "fanboy".There is such a thing as a "blind fanboy",and such a thing as "fanboy,but not blind".

I believe Jandurin was refering to the term "blind fanboy".A person who would consider themselves a "fanboy",but is open-minded and posts rather well would be welcomed into GUFU,but a "blind fanboy" would not.A while ago,I considered myself a "fanboy",but was let in because I was not a "blind fanboy".

I can understand why you frown upon GUFU,but we're all nice people.:)

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"] You think we should exalt the fanboys? Praise them? I value open minds.

Fanboy =/= close minded. If they can debate well enough, why not? Of course, GUFU will never see that.

VGobbsesser

It depends on how you interpret the word "fanboy".There is such a thing as a "blind fanboy",and such a thing as "fanboy,but not blind".

I believe Jandurin was refering to the term "blind fanboy".A person who would consider themselves a "fanboy",but is open-minded and posts rather well would be welcomed into GUFU,but a "blind fanboy" would not.A while ago,I considered myself a "fanboy",but was let in because I was not a "blind fanboy".

I can understand why you frown upon GUFU,but we're all nice people.:)

[QUOTE="hoola"]Well the good thing is since we are hardcore we don't have to worry about Nintendo appealing to the "non hardcore" because we are always going to be getting our zelda and mario and metroid and all of these great franchises.Teufelhuhn

There are more good games than just those like (im not talking JUST from nintendo and the Wii) like Trauma Center and Phoenix Write and Cooking Mama and Brain Age and i am sure there are more that i can't think of right now. What are Sony and Microsoft offering besides old franchises and new IPs (i used the same argument as you just took out new controls and added new IPs :P )

You think we should exalt the fanboys? Praise them? I value open minds.

Fanboy =/= close minded. If they can debate well enough, why not? Of course, GUFU will never see that.

Actually, fanboy = close minded. That's the difference between a fan and a fanboy. A fan likes something and supports it because they like it. A fanboy likes something, and everything else must be terrible because it isn't what they like. That is close minded. I say this speaking as a former Nintendo fanboy. Unless you want to argue terminology, but you know what we're getting at.

Plenty of "us" debate here. Some of GUFU never actually visits GUFU at all.

Then, what would be the point? To have the little "GUFU" thingy in your sig?

No, it's to have a gathering point of like minded individuals for discussion and having fun, just like every other union. And just like every other union, your membership in it is what you make of it.

Sometimes, it is nice to not have to defend every insignificant portion of your post from nitpicky fanboys. Also, it's nice to see a thread that stays alive for more than a day that isn't stickied. Also, we can be off-topic there, without getting moderated and again, without our threads disappearing immediately. Also, the people there are "cool".

There are plenty of other unions. Not only that, but they are far more friendly to people.

"They are far more friendly"? Perhaps the more rough-and-tumble GUFU of it's old threadjacking days might make you think that, but now? The GUFU is mellow, man. We're friendly people. I just don't get where all this aggression is coming from.

Sorry if I seem a little too aggressive. My computer's having problems and I'm not in the best mood. I had to type this twice. :evil:

Yeah, GlitchSpot sucks like that. Still, chill out man.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

[QUOTE="shadow_702"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="shadow_702"]FACT almost 60% of system wars is bashing Wiifit FACT: Those 60% are probably the ones who need it the most ;)subrosian

You know I dont think one person can represent an entire group of people Wiifit could possibly help pertain to Americas child obesity issue in fact parents would probably stop bashing video games if they saw this. Also they tried lat gen really hard just to pertain to one crowd of people they failed the Ps2 won mostly because of casuals buying the GTF series So you see its not that Nintendo has forgotten the hardcore crowd (theres still Corruption galaxy and brawl to look forward to this year) its just there a business (businesses want profit) and they dont want to fail like they did last gen.

Did I ever say that WiiFit was how you get truly fit? Stop putting words into my mouth if you please. I was just trying to say that it could be an alternate new fun way of getting kids and adults to excercise and help get them losing weight. Of course excercise is only a part of the solution and you also have to have a healthy life stylae and have a proper diet Im trying to be friendly and show how this could help people who may other wise find excercise boring.

Closed membership is elitist, especially when you're parading around in SW with GUFU in your sigs, making posts like these, insulting the intelligence of the posters here. If GUFU is so opposed to SW, its members shouldn't be here.

It doesn't hurt me that you have a secret club, I just dislike the fact that you must extol its vitrues while keeping a closed membership. Really, I couldn't care less about it, I'd leave it alone...if you guys left us alone.Tsug_Ze_Wind

And, no, we will not leave SW as we are not against SW. Like I said, the founding intent of the GUFU was to make SW a better place. Kinda hard to do if you aren't part of SW.

And yes, most of GUFU is elitist, and cowardly. Why do you need a GUFU board? Why can't you all be with the rest of us? Why do most of you speak of us as filth?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Please remind me where GUFU fits into this thread?

This thread is the result of One Poster's Opinions about a certain company. Where does GUFU come into this again?

Wow... best post ever. (I'm being 100% serious)

It almost brought a tear to my eye! because it's the truth. Good job.

dracula_16

Totally Agree mate!

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="hoola"]Well the good thing is since we are hardcore we don't have to worry about Nintendo appealing to the "non hardcore" because we are always going to be getting our zelda and mario and metroid and all of these great franchises.hoola

There are more good games than just those like (im not talking JUST from nintendo and the Wii) like Trauma Center and Phoenix Write and Cooking Mama and Brain Age and i am sure there are more that i can't think of right now. What are Sony and Microsoft offering besides old franchises and new IPs (i used the same argument as you just took out new controls and added new IPs :P )

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

And yes, most of GUFU is elitist, and cowardly. Why do you need a GUFU board? Why can't you all be with the rest of us? Why do most of you speak of us as filth?

lafigueroa

Please remind me where GUFU fits into this thread?

This thread is the result of One Poster's Opinions about a certain company. Where does GUFU come into this again?

I will never get Star Fox, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, et cetera on another platform. Nintendo holds these characters and franchises hostage, and they are subject to their whims. I happen to have a nostalgic attachment to these games. I feel a game is automatically just abit better because it has Star Fox instead of "random space dude" - that might just be me - but I like seeing familiar characters in games. subrosian

Well it's obvious to me that you don't care that deeply about those franchises because you said the Wii isn't for you. Guess you'll just have to accept the loss and move on with your life. Choices, choices. They can be a pain sometimes, but that's just how it works. Personally, I think you should just wait until the Wii drops to $150 and then buy all these games of the franchises you love. If you're that dedicated a gamer, you are probably somebody who pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars on gaming systems, accessories and games over the course of five years. So I don't see why this is such a big deal to you.

If the games of these franchises are watered down and if the graphics don't please you, and you don't like them, then don't get them! Do you still think people lament about the treatment Pac Man has received recently? They're still games, you dervive enjoying from playing them. That is their purpose. Any complaining about it is pointless - Nintendo is not going to change their direction, not now. Just get over it.

Nintendo's direction, their decision to cater to "non-gamers" and their "games are for everyone" stance (which extends into their "core" titles) is frustrating for me - it means I will not see the games that feature beloved characters live up to the c lassic titles they stem from.

This is Nintendo's intellectual property and they can do whatever they want with it. Each game is exclusive to each other, always has been, always will be. Nintendo does not owe you or anybody else anything. The only people they really have to answer to is their shareholders. They made the choice to move into a different direction - they are a company that is publically traded and their intention has been, and always will be, to make $$$$. Last gen they didn't make a lot of it, they tried the graphic arms race and lost, so they're trying to recapture the market and bring their name to the fore of the industry again by going into a different direction. So far, they have succeeded in spades. They are trying to make their name "BIG" again. This may help them in the next generation when they may, possibly, decide to bring out a beefier system that also makes use of motion controls.

And this is SW, it is the place where we post our beliefs, ideas, and feelings - frankly what is being said here is only the beginning of a larger backlash against Nintendo from the core gamer. It needs to be said.

It has been said many, many times already, and in my opinion it's non-sensical because the Wii is not the only system on the market people can buy. If the Wii isn't for you, don't get it. Get a PS3 and Xbox 360. There are plenty of amazing games on those systems.

Why are you on here praising and defending Nintendo? The same question could be turned on you. My answer? Because I love gaming, and I wish to share my beliefs, opinions, and concerns with fellow gamers. I wanted to put this out there because I know many other people share my sentiments. I wanted them to know they're not alone, because it's hard for people who like Nintendo to see this happening.

Well I like Nintendo, and I don't care what they are doing. In fact, I am praising and defending Nintendo because I actually like the Wii. I think it's an incredibly neat and smart system, and it did something that no other system has ever done - it got my father to play video games, and he's in his 60s. He had never played before in his entire life, and there I was playing Wii Sports with him and he was having a great time. I got far more enjoyment out of that than I ever did playing Star Fox or Zelda. But that's just me! I was fascinated with the Wii, so I bought it. I didn't have to, but I chose to do so.

[QUOTE="lafigueroa"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

And yes, most of GUFU is elitist, and cowardly. Why do you need a GUFU board? Why can't you all be with the rest of us? Why do most of you speak of us as filth?

Teufelhuhn

Please remind me where GUFU fits into this thread?

This thread is the result of One Poster's Opinions about a certain company. Where does GUFU come into this again?

Actually, fanboy = close minded. That's the difference between a fan and a fanboy. A fan likes something and supports it because they like it. A fanboy likes something, and everything else must be terrible because it isn't what they like. That is close minded. I say this speaking as a former Nintendo fanboy. Unless you want to argue terminology, but you know what we're getting at.

I think it's unnecessary to divide them. A fanboy is someone who prefers brand X over brands Y and Z. You fanboy definition, I would just call an idiot.

Would I be rejected a GUFU membership because I call myself a fanboy? Subrosian confirmed it, and that's an unnecessary restriction that hurts GUFU a lot.

"They are far more friendly"? Perhaps the more rough-and-tumble GUFU of it's old threadjacking days might make you think that, but now? The GUFU is mellow, man. We're friendly people. I just don't get where all this aggression is coming from.

Perhaps GUFU has changed, but I certainly haven't seen it. Maybe I'd change my opinion on GUFU if I saw improvement, and less advertising by its members, and less elitism.

Yeah, GlitchSpot sucks like that. Still, chill out man.

Nah, it's my modem. Though, Glitchspot can't be helping.

Hoffgod

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I will never get Star Fox, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, et cetera on another platform. Nintendo holds these characters and franchises hostage, and they are subject to their whims. I happen to have a nostalgic attachment to these games. I feel a game is automatically just abit better because it has Star Fox instead of "random space dude" - that might just be me - but I like seeing familiar characters in games. thinicer

Well it's obvious to me that you don't care that deeply about those franchises because you said the Wii isn't for you. Guess you'll just have to accept the loss and move on with your life. Choices, choices. They can be a pain sometimes, but that's just how it works. Personally, I think you should just wait until the Wii drops to $150 and then buy all these games of the franchises you love. If you're that dedicated a gamer, you are probably somebody who pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars on gaming systems, accessories and games over the course of five years. So I don't see why this is such a big deal to you.

If the games of these franchises are watered down and if the graphics don't please you, and you don't like them, then don't get them! Do you still think people lament about the treatment Pac Man has received recently? They're still games, you dervive enjoying from playing them. That is their purpose. Any complaining about it is pointless - Nintendo is not going to change their direction, not now. Just get over it.

Nintendo's direction, their decision to cater to "non-gamers" and their "games are for everyone" stance (which extends into their "core" titles) is frustrating for me - it means I will not see the games that feature beloved characters live up to the c lassic titles they stem from.

This is Nintendo's intellectual property and they can do whatever they want with it. Each game is exclusive to each other, always has been, always will be. Nintendo does not owe you or anybody else anything. The only people they really have to answer to is their shareholders. They made the choice to move into a different direction - they are a company that is publically traded and their intention has been, and always will be, to make $$$$. Last gen they didn't make a lot of it, they tried the graphic arms race and lost, so they're trying to recapture the market and bring their name to the fore of the industry again by going into a different direction. So far, they have succeeded in spades. They are trying to make their name "BIG" again. This may help them in the next generation when they may, possibly, decide to bring out a beefier system that also makes use of motion controls.

And this is SW, it is the place where we post our beliefs, ideas, and feelings - frankly what is being said here is only the beginning of a larger backlash against Nintendo from the core gamer. It needs to be said.

It has been said many, many times already, and in my opinion it's non-sensical because the Wii is not the only system on the market people can buy. If the Wii isn't for you, don't get it. Get a PS3 and Xbox 360. There are plenty of amazing games on those systems.

Why are you on here praising and defending Nintendo? The same question could be turned on you. My answer? Because I love gaming, and I wish to share my beliefs, opinions, and concerns with fellow gamers. I wanted to put this out there because I know many other people share my sentiments. I wanted them to know they're not alone, because it's hard for people who like Nintendo to see this happening.

Well I like Nintendo, and I don't care what they are doing. In fact, I am praising and defending Nintendo because I actually like the Wii. I think it's an incredibly neat and smart system, and it did something that no other system has ever done - it got my father to play video games, and he's in his 60s. He had never played before in his entire life, and there I was playing Wii Sports with him and he was having a great time. I got far more enjoyment out of that than I ever did playing Star Fox or Zelda. But that's just me! I was fascinated with the Wii, so I bought it. I didn't have to, but I chose to do so.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]Closed membership is elitist, especially when you're parading around in SW with GUFU in your sigs, making posts like these, insulting the intelligence of the posters here. If GUFU is so opposed to SW, its members shouldn't be here.

It doesn't hurt me that you have a secret club, I just dislike the fact that you must extol its vitrues while keeping a closed membership. Really, I couldn't care less about it, I'd leave it alone...if you guys left us alone.Hoffgod

And, no, we will not leave SW as we are not against SW. Like I said, the founding intent of the GUFU was to make SW a better place. Kinda hard to do if you aren't part of SW.

you don't create an excluded company to make any place better, you make it to create your own ideal environment that fits your purposes. you don't have to expose anything about that "secret society" of yours, specially when ppl don't want you to.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

IT's sad to admit what they are doing, but they are doing it. I can't say it, I still have hope that you (The TC) have lost for the big N, and that is pathetic on my part.

Nintendo...

Nintendo...

Well, I guess it's tough to let go, but Honestly, I haven't touched my Wii in a few months now...it's tragic, but I thought something was going to happen.

Instead, they make a Wii version of Eyetoy Kinetic, and dumb down Metroid. Why?

Expect a MASSIVE SHEEP BACKLASH to start tomorrow. Nintendo has One more year, then I'm selling the Wii if they don't straighten up.

BTW : I've been saying the same things about the Wii, but Sheep don't want to hear it. It's tough, but I don't like calling my $250 entertainment machine a paperweight, but when I've been relegated to playing VC games that I own on the original console, it's a sad state of affairs for a gamer.

xXtheabombXx

I feel the same way. I've been regretting my purchase since the day I got it. I started to play Red Steel and I realized how horrible it was, and maybe the wii might not be so great for FPS. I too have only been playing VC games, but the nostalgia quickly wears off, and I find myself wanting more. I am glad that I have a 360 to satisfy my true gaming needs.

There has got to be more of us that feel this way, but for now, it seems everyone okay with the Direction Nintendo is going. I bet a few Sheep agree, but don't want to post due to cowardice.

I don't think you'll be too surprised to see how many core gamers share my exact sentiments. The amount of tension and how deeply divided many gamers are on the issue showcases that Nintendo's new direction is a debate that will not be settled in the short run. However, I have seen a rapidly growing support for the general feelings I have towards Nintendo's vision for gaming. This is not something that will vanish any time soon - the backlash from their market shift is growing.
subrosian

Well I hate to tell you this, but Nintendo is not going to care what a small minority of gamers are saying on an internet message board. If they're disappointed with Nintendo's direction and want to do something about it, then they should not buy the Wii or, if they already own one, they should sell it. It's that simple. They should just move on and purchase an Xbox 360 or PS3. That would be the absolute best way of showing their dissatisfaction with Nintendo. It certainly beats complaining endlessly on the internet about it.

The only thing that will make Nintendo rethink their strategy is if the Wii doesn't sell that well anymore, and right now there are zero signs of that occurring. Nintendo is going to sell out of their Wii stocks throughout the year and beyond.

It's been a while since I saw a 500 posts non-sticiked thread. It must have stirred quite a lot of people.Panzer_Zwei

It's been a while since I saw a 500 posts non-sticiked thread. It must have stirred quite a lot of people.Panzer_Zwei

It's unbelievable.

I still have 30 pages to left read here. The Sheep are on a "Hulk Smash" rampage right now, but it's been a fun ride.

The issue isn't the hardware. Games can be good and fun without incredible hardware. My hope as the Revolution/Wii project came closer to fruition was that Nintendo would use its controller to make games that I now enjoy more interesting, and that would be a larger focus. I see now that such a hope was naive.

Nintendo has its own vision of what videogames are, and the hardcore market isn't a part of it. Nintendo is more focused on providing an accessible, simple experience focused completely on quick enjoyment that anyone can participate in right away. Anybody can pick up and play Wii Sports, or Wii Play. The mechanisms that bring them to the game (Brain Training makes you smarter!) may vary, but the intent is the same.

What is lost here is the long, elaborate, deep experience that many hardcore gamers crave. That has no place in Nintendo's conception of what games should be. As a result, they aren't focusing on those kinds of games. New Super Mario Bros is significantly easier than its 2D SNES predecessors. That wasn't a coincidence. Twilight Princess had to be completed, as it was years in the making. It will be the last Zelda of its kind. It's possible that what will result is something even larger and more interesting, but judging by the direction that Nintendo has taken, I consider that possibility unlikely.

That's a shame, because I really do like Nintendo. I enjoy their games, they have some great franchises, and they're a very talented development house. And even if they go for this more accessible control scheme, I'd like them to focus on games that have me in mind, because I like those games. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting something that you'd like. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

I already own a Wii, but besides the titles that Nintendo regularly throws out to keep its rabid fans loyal, I don't get the sense that I'll be using it much.

Well I hate to tell you this, but Nintendo is not going to care what a small minority of gamers are saying on an internet message board. If they're disappointed with Nintendo's direction and want to do something about it, then they should not buy the Wii or, if they already own one, they should sell it. It's that simple. They should just move on and purchase an Xbox 360 or PS3. That would be the absolute best way of showing their dissatisfaction with Nintendo. It certainly beats complaining endlessly on the internet about it.

The only thing that will make Nintendo rethink their strategy is if the Wii doesn't sell that well anymore, and right now there are zero signs of that occurring. Nintendo is going to sell out of their Wii stocks throughout the year and beyond.

thinicer

I agree 100%!
Nintendo is in the market for money and wont care if some "hardcore" gamers dont like Cooking Mama.
If people dont like the Wii, then dont buy it. If you want "real" games go buy a 360, PS3 or a PC. It's that simple.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="lafigueroa"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

And yes, most of GUFU is elitist, and cowardly. Why do you need a GUFU board? Why can't you all be with the rest of us? Why do most of you speak of us as filth?

subrosian

Please remind me where GUFU fits into this thread?

This thread is the result of One Poster's Opinions about a certain company. Where does GUFU come into this again?

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

Well I hate to tell you this, but Nintendo is not going to care what a small minority of gamers are saying on an internet message board. If they're disappointed with Nintendo's direction and want to do something about it, then they should not buy the Wii or, if they already own one, they should sell it. It's that simple. They should just move on and purchase an Xbox 360 or PS3. That would be the absolute best way of showing their dissatisfaction with Nintendo. It certainly beats complaining endlessly on the internet about it.

The only thing that will make Nintendo rethink their strategy is if the Wii doesn't sell that well anymore, and right now there are zero signs of that occurring. Nintendo is going to sell out of their Wii stocks throughout the year and beyond.

DarkKefka

I agree 100%!
Nintendo is in the market for money and wont care if some "hardcore" gamers dont like Cooking Mama.
If people dont like the Wii, then dont buy it. If you want "real" games go buy a 360, PS3 or a PC. It's that simple.

I should just stand by and be happy that Nintendo is ignoring my interests? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I like Nintendo, and they still have games that I will enjoy. I do care what they do, and considering this is a place for people to voice their opinions, I have the right to state my concerns.

Subrosia... if you don't mind me asking:

Are you more concerned about Nintendo as a company "ruining" its established franchises by catering them to the Wii's "non-gaming" demographic as you claim or are you more concerned about the possibility that Microsoft and Sony, upon seeing such a large and lucrative demographic, will shift their game support away from people like you and I and towards said non-gamer demographic? If I were to guess I'd say that you weren't nearly so disheartened by the unsuccessful GameCube as you appear to be with the wildly successful Wii despite the fact that the number of truly fantastic games (as considered by hardcore gamers) available on each is probably not going to differ greatly.

As I said, the quality of Nintendo's first party games will not change drastically from what was available on the GC. Prime looks to be killer, TP was killer, Galaxy will be killer, etc. You can argue otherwise with flowery prose all you wish, but you will likely be proven wrong. I imagine the Wii will, however, have poor 3rd party support (lots of support, but lacking in quality in the usual Nintendo custom... especially considering they will now be tailor-made for non-gamers) yet predictably consistent, superb 1st party support on key franchises (Zelda, Mario, Metroid.) You seem to be threatened by the Wii's success, and I suspect that the reason you're so offended by its strategy is not because of what will happen to the company you grew up with loving per se, but rather what might happen to other console manufacturers and development studios once they sit down in their smoke-filled rooms and seriously consider the size and spending of Nintendo's newfound non-gaming audience.

I don't think the Wii will have any less "hardcore" titles than those of the GC (after all, it was mostly superb 1st party titles on the Cube and a lack of half-decent 3rd party support,) so in that respect I think you're being purposefully intellectually dishonest in order to emphasize your point; that being said, I do think the possibility of a paradigm shift in the type of games developed on all platforms is a distinct and unfortunate possibility (perhaps even a probability) due to the Wii's success (thus robbing us of some classic, would-be "hardcore" titles) Do I think there'll be a whole lot more terrible, non gaming fare on the Wii? Of course, but that's irrelevant.

You're not so much saying goodbye to an old friend this generation as you are reacquainting yourself with a long-ignored friend (whom you no longer recognize) because of his newly-acquired wealth and popularity.

So, in the end, I think the only real substantial differences between the GC and the Wii is likely to be their respective financial success, popularity, and amount of third party support (despite the fact that the immense amount on the Wii will be poor in quality yet high in sales.)

Just so you know, the Wii is by far my least favorite console of the big three this generation.... I'm playing mine very little (impatiently waiting for Prime 3 at the moment,) but I thought I'd attempt to be honest for honesty's sake. So, if you think I say what I say out of some absurd fanboy bias you'd be wrong.

You grew up, Nintendo didn't; glad you realize that. Thing is, how can Nintendo ruin gaming? Perhaps you have forgotten how Nintendo always has carried itself. Remember the Nintendo version of Mortal Kombat? In where people bleed sweat?

I grew apart from Nintendo a long time ago and moved on to the PC. I always kept an eye on Nintendo, and console gaming in general, but overall, the past few generations of consoles have been the same thing, over and over. Games used to be simple, and fun. Nintendo always kept things cartoony, it made it easier for kids to get into, and for parents to accept. The only thing the gaming industry as done is given us better eye candy. Fun on the other hand, has gone down. Games have become more tedious, story and plot have become disintresting. There's only so many times in where you have to save the world before it just becomes another save the world story.

The Wii made me look a bit harder at consoles because for the first time, in a long time it looked like that maybe, just maybe something interesting might come out of an industry that was intent on pumping out 'mature' 40 hour games with a story that tries too hard to pull you in. For the first time in a long time, games were become more simplistic, more short term bursts of fun. Contra, Double Dragon, Battletoads, Smash TV, these games were something you could pick up and start playing, not caring what the story was. Whats more these games could be finished in a few hours (if you could finish them at all sincesome were sodamn hard)

I'm glad Nintendo hasn't grown up. Growing up these days means embracing self-centered egotism, blood, senseless violence, sex, and murder as your standard of 'fun' and that just distrubs and scares me. Reality is depressing enough as is, I don't need gaming to imitate that reality. This isn't even to touch on how people interact with each on on-line. If that's the direction gaming is taking us all, then we'll all be at each other's throats and killing each other before not to long.

It's been a while since I saw a 500 posts non-sticiked thread. It must have stirred quite a lot of people.Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="xXtheabombXx"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

IT's sad to admit what they are doing, but they are doing it. I can't say it, I still have hope that you (The TC) have lost for the big N, and that is pathetic on my part.

Nintendo...

Nintendo...

Well, I guess it's tough to let go, but Honestly, I haven't touched my Wii in a few months now...it's tragic, but I thought something was going to happen.

Instead, they make a Wii version of Eyetoy Kinetic, and dumb down Metroid. Why?

Expect a MASSIVE SHEEP BACKLASH to start tomorrow. Nintendo has One more year, then I'm selling the Wii if they don't straighten up.

BTW : I've been saying the same things about the Wii, but Sheep don't want to hear it. It's tough, but I don't like calling my $250 entertainment machine a paperweight, but when I've been relegated to playing VC games that I own on the original console, it's a sad state of affairs for a gamer.

SolidTy

I feel the same way. I've been regretting my purchase since the day I got it. I started to play Red Steel and I realized how horrible it was, and maybe the wii might not be so great for FPS. I too have only been playing VC games, but the nostalgia quickly wears off, and I find myself wanting more. I am glad that I have a 360 to satisfy my true gaming needs.

There has got to be more of us that feel this way, but for now, it seems everyone okay with the Direction Nintendo is going. I bet a few Sheep agree, but don't want to post due to cowardice.

[QUOTE="thinicer"]

Well I hate to tell you this, but Nintendo is not going to care what a small minority of gamers are saying on an internet message board. If they're disappointed with Nintendo's direction and want to do something about it, then they should not buy the Wii or, if they already own one, they should sell it. It's that simple. They should just move on and purchase an Xbox 360 or PS3. That would be the absolute best way of showing their dissatisfaction with Nintendo. It certainly beats complaining endlessly on the internet about it.

The only thing that will make Nintendo rethink their strategy is if the Wii doesn't sell that well anymore, and right now there are zero signs of that occurring. Nintendo is going to sell out of their Wii stocks throughout the year and beyond.

DarkKefka

I agree 100%!
Nintendo is in the market for money and wont care if some "hardcore" gamers dont like Cooking Mama.
If people dont like the Wii, then dont buy it. If you want "real" games go buy a 360, PS3 or a PC. It's that simple.

exactly. when a company talks more about sales and money than anything in the conference... they show us their true intentions. that's why they want to expand the base. more $$$ obviously.

and for that matter, how large is the gamer population in face of the non-gamer population? last-gen we had about what, 150 million gamers? 170 million at max? and from those, only a small minority is hardcore...

so, in face of a non-gamer population of the entire world's population - the gamer population, but you can count the casuals in that since they are also part of their strategy, they have so much potential consumers that making some hardcore games may be interesting only in the begining of the system... to give it a quick start along with the casual games. but when casuals and non-gamers crush the hardcore %s, it's probable that you'll face 3-4 great hits a year, and a lot of mini-games, party-games, etc, that'll fill Ninty's pockets with millions of dollars...

I should just stand by and be happy that Nintendo is ignoring my interests? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I like Nintendo, and they still have games that I will enjoy. I do care what they do, and considering this is a place for people to voice their opinions, I have the right to state my concerns.

sonicmj1

No, you shouldn't stand by. You should just accept it and look into other alternatives that do cater to your interests. That's the free market.

Granted you have the right to complain, but I believe it's a big waste of time because Nintendo is set on their course and they aren't going to deviate from it.

i feel your paini remember when i used to play loz:lttp when i was 5. good times but now nintendo rehashes everything. all their games are the same now but with waggle. mp3 could change my thinking when i buy it a year from nowblackice1983

There are a million and one complaints at the moment, rehashes arn't one of them :|

You grew up, Nintendo didn't; glad you realize that. Thing is, how can Nintendo ruin gaming? Perhaps you have forgotten how Nintendo always has carried itself. Remember the Nintendo version of Mortal Kombat? In where people bleed sweat?

I grew apart from Nintendo a long time ago and moved on to the PC. I always kept an eye on Nintendo, and console gaming in general, but overall, the past few generations of consoles have been the same thing, over and over. Games used to be simple, and fun. Nintendo always kept things cartoony, it made it easier for kids to get into, and for parents to accept. The only thing the gaming industry as done is given us better eye candy. Fun on the other hand, has gone down. Games have become more tedious, story and plot have become disintresting. There's only so many times in where you have to save the world before it just becomes another save the world story.

The Wii made me look a bit harder at consoles because for the first time, in a long time it looked like that maybe, just maybe something interesting might come out of an industry that was intent on pumping out 'mature' 40 hour games with a story that tries too hard to pull you in. For the first time in a long time, games were become more simplistic, more short term bursts of fun. Contra, Double Dragon, Battletoads, Smash TV, these games were something you could pick up and start playing, not caring what the story was. Whats more these games could be finished in a few hours (if you could finish them at all sincesome were sodamn hard)

I'm glad Nintendo hasn't grown up. Growing up these days means embracing self-centered egotism, blood, senseless violence, sex, and murder as your standard of 'fun' and that just distrubs and scares me. Reality is depressing enough as is, I don't need gaming to imitate that reality. This isn't even to touch on how people interact with each on on-line. If that's the direction gaming is taking us all, then we'll all be at each other's throats and killing each other before not to long.

RahnAetas

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

I should just stand by and be happy that Nintendo is ignoring my interests? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

I like Nintendo, and they still have games that I will enjoy. I do care what they do, and considering this is a place for people to voice their opinions, I have the right to state my concerns.

thinicer

No, you shouldn't stand by. You should just accept it and look into other alternatives that do cater to your interests. That's the free market.

Granted you have the right to complain, but I believe it's a big waste of time because Nintendo is set on their course and they aren't going to deviate from it.

I've accepted that Nintendo doesn't care what I think, and that I can't change their minds. It makes a lot of sense for them to do it. They'll make a lot of money this way.

But considering I'm on a gaming forum where people exalt their strategy and consider sales the sole marker of whether something is good, I feel like stating these concerns serves as a rebuttal to those arguments, while showing people with a similar mindset that they aren't alone in their views.

It isn't like anybody here is actually going to change anything by what we say. I'd hope that they don't make their arguments with that expectation.

Subrosia... if you don't mind me asking:

Are you more concerned about Nintendo as a company "ruining" its established franchises by catering them to the Wii's "non-gaming" demographic as you claim or are you more concerned about the possibility that Microsoft and Sony, upon seeing such a large and lucrative demographic, will shift their game support away from people like you and I and towards said non-gamer demographic?

Bill_McBlumpkin

If I were to guess I'd say that you weren't nearly so disheartened by the unsuccessful GameCube as you appear to be with the wildly successful Wii despite the fact that the number of truly fantastic games (as considered by hardcore gamers) available on each is probably not going to differ greatly.

As I said, the quality of Nintendo's first party games will not change drastically from what was available on the GC. Prime looks to be killer, TP was killer, Galaxy will be killer, etc. You can argue otherwise with flowery prose all you wish, but you will likely be proven wrong. I imagine the Wii will, however, have poor 3rd party support (lots of support, but lacking in quality in the usual Nintendo custom... especially considering they will now be tailor-made for non-gamers) yet predictably consistent, superb 1st party support on key franchises (Zelda, Mario, Metroid.) You seem to be threatened by the Wii's success, and I suspect that the reason you're so offended by its strategy is not because of what will happen to the company you grew up with loving per se, but rather what might happen to other console manufacturers and development studios once they sit down in their smoke-filled rooms and seriously consider the size and spending of Nintendo's newfound non-gaming audience.

I don't think the Wii will have any less "hardcore" titles than those of the GC (after all, it was mostly superb 1st party titles on the Cube and a lack of half-decent 3rd party support,) so in that respect I think you're being purposefully intellectually dishonest in order to emphasize your point; that being said, I do think the possibility of a paradigm shift in the type of games developed on all platforms is a distinct and unfortunate possibility (perhaps even a probability) due to the Wii's success (thus robbing us of some c lassic, would-be "hardcore" titles) Do I think there'll be a whole lot more terrible, non gaming fare on the Wii? Of course, but that's irrelevant.

Bill_McBlumpkin

You're not so much saying goodbye to an old friend this generation as you are reacquainting yourself with a long-ignored friend (whom you no longer recognize) because of his newly-acquired wealth and popularity.

So, in the end, I think the only real substantial differences between the GC and the Wii is likely to be their respective financial success, popularity, and amount of third party support (despite the fact that the immense amount on the Wii will be poor in quality yet high in sales.)

Just so you know, the Wii is by far my least favorite console of the big three this generation.... I'm playing mine very little (impatiently waiting for Prime 3 at the moment,) but I thought I'd attempt to be honest for honesty's sake. So, if you think I say what I say out of some absurd fanboy bias you'd be wrong.

Bill_McBlumpkin

Arcade gaming never stopped though - Ikaruga, Geometry Wars, Super Stardust HD - those games have continued, they're fun to pick up and play, they offer a challenge, and they have continued to improve and evolve over the years. The Wii might offer something new and different, I simply don't feel that it should be the focus, that this "non gamer" should be Nintendo's focus over their traditional core / casual focus.

Nintendo was the "Cartoon Network" or "Nickelodeon" of gaming - I turned them on this generation, and instead of c lassic cartoons, I saw Jane Fonda workout tapes, open heart surgery, a cook-off, and a brain bowl contest. Am I concerned? Yeah, just a little... Is it a good thing? I don't think so - I had other channels and mediums for that sort of thing - where did my 'toons go?
subrosian

When it comes to arcade games, the only ones I've ever been really intrested in are the scrolling shooters, maybe the 2d fighting adventure games. As they "evolve" they suffered the exact same problem consoles did. They replaced fun with eye candy. A game like Metal Slug doesn't exactly technologically advanced, but it's fun.

When it comes to Nintendo franchises, and as it is with 'cla-ssic' cartoons remade, that they suffer the fate of Transformers: Nothing holds a candle to the G1 Transformers. You see Zelda again, you see Mario again, you see Metriod again, but it's not the original. Most of it is because you grew up. I grew up with Sesame Street, and I watched from the side as they introduced Elmo, and all these other muppets. I watched as people flew into a controversy because people thought Bert and Ernie were gay So much for the purity of childhood.

I, unlike what it seems like most people, did not substitute my old favorites with 'mature' themes of blood, violence, and gore. I'm still a fan of the old cartoons, and remakes that are worth to carry the torch of their predicessor, but for the most part, the remakes are all grown up, and the purity of what made the originals fun is lost with seriousiness and reality. Like the new TMNT cartoon, which is a series that takes itself far too seriously in comparsion with the original cartoon.

People these days take things far too seriously. In the case of video games I think a lot of people have lost sight of what is fun. Instead of fun being fun, fun hasbeen replaced with adistraction. A game shouldn't have to be distracting to be fun, and that's what a lot of games are. They force you into distraction so much that you end up watching, not playing, or you're distracted so much, you're not really having fun.

Finnally, patience is a virtue. I'm mostly a PC gamer, and Blizzard is my favorite company, thusly I'm used to waiting ridiculous amounts of time to play a game I'm waiting for. Regardless of what opinions you may hold, Nintendo's franchises are still coming. Just because there's a whole bunch of 'non-gamer' games out (personally I think the whole concept is stupid because creating such a label is elitist) doesn't mean the 'gamer' games aren't coming. Really, what you're doing is throwing a tantrum similar to what a kid does when they don't get their happy meal at McDonalds.

Oh well, I'll be happy with Super Smash Bros Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Kart Wii, No More Heroes, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers, Fire Emblem, and Battalion Wars 2.

I don't care if Nintendo is trying to appeal to Non-Gamers, because they are still appealing to me.

They definately are not the same company i've enjoyed over the years, theres almost nothing good coming out of them other than sales figures.

Can't agree more with the TC.

people who don't like videogames - people who play things like Guitar Hero

subrosian

i was actually considering reading all of the bull you had to say... until i read that

step out of the car and walk to me in a straight line. you, sir, are impaired

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Arcade gaming never stopped though - Ikaruga, Geometry Wars, Super Stardust HD - those games have continued, they're fun to pick up and play, they offer a challenge, and they have continued to improve and evolve over the years. The Wii might offer something new and different, I simply don't feel that it should be the focus, that this "non gamer" should be Nintendo's focus over their traditional core / casual focus.

Nintendo was the "Cartoon Network" or "Nickelodeon" of gaming - I turned them on this generation, and instead of c lassic cartoons, I saw Jane Fonda workout tapes, open heart surgery, a cook-off, and a brain bowl contest. Am I concerned? Yeah, just a little... Is it a good thing? I don't think so - I had other channels and mediums for that sort of thing - where did my 'toons go?
RahnAetas

When it comes to arcade games, the only ones I've ever been really intrested in are the scrolling shooters, maybe the 2d fighting adventure games. As they "evolve" they suffered the exact same problem consoles did. They replaced fun with eye candy. A game like Metal Slug doesn't exactly technologically advanced, but it's fun.

When it comes to Nintendo franchises, and as it is with 'cla-ssic' cartoons remade, that they suffer the fate of Transformers: Nothing holds a candle to the G1 Transformers. You see Zelda again, you see Mario again, you see Metriod again, but it's not the original. Most of it is because you grew up. I grew up with Sesame Street, and I watched from the side as they introduced Elmo, and all these other muppets. I watched as people flew into a controversy because people thought Bert and Ernie were gay So much for the purity of childhood.

I, unlike what it seems like most people, did not substitute my old favorites with 'mature' themes of blood, violence, and gore. I'm still a fan of the old cartoons, and remakes that are worth to carry the torch of their predicessor, but for the most part, the remakes are all grown up, and the purity of what made the originals fun is lost with seriousiness and reality. Like the new TMNT cartoon, which is a series that takes itself far too seriously in comparsion with the original cartoon.

People these days take things far too seriously. In the case of video games I think a lot of people have lost sight of what is fun. Instead of fun being fun, fun hasbeen replaced with adistraction. A game shouldn't have to be distracting to be fun, and that's what a lot of games are. They force you into distraction so much that you end up watching, not playing, or you're distracted so much, you're not really having fun.

Finnally, patience is a virtue. I'm mostly a PC gamer, and Blizzard is my favorite company, thusly I'm used to waiting ridiculous amounts of time to play a game I'm waiting for. Regardless of what opinions you may hold, Nintendo's franchises are still coming. Just because there's a whole bunch of 'non-gamer' games out (personally I think the whole concept is stupid because creating such a label is elitist) doesn't mean the 'gamer' games aren't coming. Really, what you're doing is throwing a tantrum similar to what a kid does when they don't get their happy meal at McDonalds.