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#1151 sexy_chimp
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Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

Yeah, Microsoft and Sony are trying to lose money.

All companies are trying to make money and Nintendo is doing it the best.

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#1152 marth678
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Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

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#1153 sexy_chimp
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I agree with you 100%. I grew up on Nintendo games myself and over the years I have not been able to recognize them anymore. I had Wii games pre ordered b/f the Wii lauched and something told me to cancel it. I'm glad I did, b/c later on I found out how most of those games I wanted flopped hard. I cant look at Nintendo with the same respect as I used to. With this whole focus on the casual crowd, they turned their back on me, I'm merely doing the same. Its only a matter of time before people get borerd with Mario Kart, SSBB, and the next Mario platformer, and realize that the Wii is nothing more than the Gamecube Lite.InfinityMugen

So you didn't buy a Wii because MP3 and TP "flopped" on Gamespot?

I smell a liar.

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#1154 marth678
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I agree with you 100%. I grew up on Nintendo games myself and over the years I have not been able to recognize them anymore. I had Wii games pre ordered b/f the Wii lauched and something told me to cancel it. I'm glad I did, b/c later on I found out how most of those games I wanted flopped hard. I cant look at Nintendo with the same respect as I used to. With this whole focus on the casual crowd, they turned their back on me, I'm merely doing the same. Its only a matter of time before people get borerd with Mario Kart, SSBB, and the next Mario platformer, and realize that the Wii is nothing more than the Gamecube Lite.InfinityMugen

if the wii is a gamecube lite then the ps3/360 are failed pc's, kinda like how jupiter is an failed star.

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#1155 WllDan7
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Just let this thread go back to sleep fovever.
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#1156 -D3MO-
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.marth678

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

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#1157 Unforgiven2870
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I can't beleve this thread has been brought back from the dead heh.
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#1158 marth678
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[QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

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#1159 OneShot112
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[QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

I was just about to say this, 100% truth.

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#1160 OneShot112
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.marth678

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

Yet, they are not riding on the term 'innovation' are they?

I think you're missing the point here..

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#1161 -D3MO-
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.marth678

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

And they are competing...while the PC's will outdo and probably already have otudone the consoles, the PS3 and 360 can hold their own against the PC.

But is the Wiimote and the Wii pure Innovation? Is the Innovation enough for lack of technological advencement?

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#1162 marth678
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[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.OneShot112

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

Yet, they are not riding on the term 'innovation' are they?

I think you're missing the point here..

either way each system is riding something they have a lot to prove for..

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#1163 -D3MO-
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[QUOTE="OneShot112"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.marth678

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

Yet, they are not riding on the term 'innovation' are they?

I think you're missing the point here..

either way each system is riding something they have a lot to prove for..

THe PS3 and 360 are both technological marvels.

The Wii is not an innovaition marvel...again...is the Wiimote a fair trade of for technological advencement

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#1164 marth678
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[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

And they are competing...while the PC's will outdo and probably already have otudone the consoles, the PS3 and 360 can hold their own against the PC.

But is the Wiimote and the Wii pure Innovation? Is the Innovation enough for lack of technological advencement?

yes its innovation. is paying $50 for online only to get p2p enough to make up for the fact that pc's out do consoles in almost everything.

the wiimote is technological advancement whether you want to admit it is up to you though.

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#1165 frascatidaman92
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omg dude this is the greatest thing i have ever read in my life when you log on to Gamespot you should have to read this post, no scrach that every night at 6:00 a commercial showing this post would be even better no even better they should have this post on the big screen at Times Square showing all day every day know what im gonna say it this post should be in the f'n bible yes the bible yea i will go that far i agree with you 1000% and now give You My Up Most Respect
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#1166 deactivated-5a28cb1c71427
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Agreed, I was thinking about making a post about this a while back, but you did it for me!
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#1167 marth678
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[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="OneShot112"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

Yet, they are not riding on the term 'innovation' are they?

I think you're missing the point here..

either way each system is riding something they have a lot to prove for..

THe PS3 and 360 are both technological marvels.

The Wii is not an innovaition marvel...again...is the Wiimote a fair trade of for technological advencement

once again the wiimote is an technological advancement, it is an innovation marvel the games are played totally different, which immerse you more into the game.

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#1168 -D3MO-
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[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.marth678

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

And they are competing...while the PC's will outdo and probably already have otudone the consoles, the PS3 and 360 can hold their own against the PC.

But is the Wiimote and the Wii pure Innovation? Is the Innovation enough for lack of technological advencement?

yes its innovation. is paying $50 for online only to get p2p enough to make up for the fact that pc's out do consoles in almost everything.

the wiimote is technological advancement whether you want to admit it is up to you though.

Maybe u should check what the PS3 and 360 Offer, feature and game wise before saying

The Wiimote is a technological advencment, but is the Wiimote a fair trade of for better Physics, AI, Graphics?

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#1169 SaintJimmmy
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Sadly its true the wii has really become a party system the only time its even pulled out is when theirs alot of people over hoply some new games can change that overall the post is 100% accurate espically about online
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#1170 marth678
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[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"]

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]Ok man whatever you say. But from what I've seen the Wii is just there to make Nintendo money...not innovate gaming.-D3MO-

so what are the ps3/360 doing, plz dont tell me their innovating gaming, and please tell me they are making sony/microsoft money. Even in your eyes if the wii isnt innovating its trying and failure in trying is better than not trying at all.

no the PS3 and 360 are not innovating gaming. They are in it to make money as well.

But the Wii is riding on the term Innovation, while the PS3 and 360 are not.

the 360/ps3 are riding on technology which pc's have been doing for the longest times.

And they are competing...while the PC's will outdo and probably already have otudone the consoles, the PS3 and 360 can hold their own against the PC.

But is the Wiimote and the Wii pure Innovation? Is the Innovation enough for lack of technological advencement?

yes its innovation. is paying $50 for online only to get p2p enough to make up for the fact that pc's out do consoles in almost everything.

the wiimote is technological advancement whether you want to admit it is up to you though.

Maybe u should check what the PS3 and 360 Offer, feature and game wise before saying

The Wiimote is a technological advencment, but is the Wiimote a fair trade of for better Physics, AI, Graphics?

the wii has better physics etc. than last gen. consoles, also physics, AI, graphics can be very adv. on the wii as many developers, mario galaxy = pure physics as is smash bros. using havock, have proved and said. The wii has advanced features the extent is unknown, but is 600-400 dollars a fair trade for a pc wannabe?

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#1171 -D3MO-
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Find me a PC capable of doing PS3 and PC graphics/physics/features for $400-$600.

The Wii is a slight improvement over the XBOX...slight. Compared to teh PS3 and 360 technologically the Wii is crap.

Again is teh Wiimote worth the downgrade in games?

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#1172 marth678
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Find me a PC capable of doing PS3 and PC graphics/physics/features for $400-$600.

The Wii is a slight improvement over the XBOX...slight. Compared to teh PS3 and 360 technologically the Wii is crap.

Again is teh Wiimote worth the downgrade in games?

-D3MO-

i never said you could find a pc for that price do what the 360//ps3 do, but im pretty sure you can. The whole point was the ps3/360 are inferior to pcs hence why they are priced lower, same thing to the wii. the higher you go the more adv. you get.

i cannot speak for everyone, but yes its worth it, i was never one to care about such trivial things like physics, etc. as long as a game is playable and fun i could careless.

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#1173 mrxb0x360
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It is nice to know that we actually do have some intelligent non-fanboyish poeple here. I did'nt know that is so.
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[QUOTE="InfinityMugen"]I agree with you 100%. I grew up on Nintendo games myself and over the years I have not been able to recognize them anymore. I had Wii games pre ordered b/f the Wii lauched and something told me to cancel it. I'm glad I did, b/c later on I found out how most of those games I wanted flopped hard. I cant look at Nintendo with the same respect as I used to. With this whole focus on the casual crowd, they turned their back on me, I'm merely doing the same. Its only a matter of time before people get borerd with Mario Kart, SSBB, and the next Mario platformer, and realize that the Wii is nothing more than the Gamecube Lite.sexy_chimp

So you didn't buy a Wii because MP3 and TP "flopped" on Gamespot?

I smell a liar.


First of all, I'm not lying. I have the receipts to prove it. Besides I wouldnt waste my waste time like that. Second of all quote me when the Wii's best games arent Gamecube ports or were originally Gamecube projects.

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#1175 BluBucket
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THIS IS MADNESSSSS!!!!!!!!!:evil:
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#1176 NeoStar9
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What I think will be really interesting is when WiiFit comes out. There is a good chance it could do great or simply fail. Wii Sports was a hit because it was packed in with the Wii. Wii Play sold well because it came with another controller (good deal, a Wii Sports like game with a control for a good price). It's easier to sell another control to buyers then it is to sell addons. I think this is an accepted thing over the years that selling addons to systems doesn't always work. WiiFit is going to be more of a challenge to sell for Nintendo. Perhaps this is why it's getting so much attention?

I'll be honest though, part of me hopes that WiiFit fails, at least here in the US. I think it will do fine in Japan though. However if it doesn't do well Nintendo of America will get the blame instead of Nintendo of Japan realizing perhaps they need to pay more attention to what gamers in America want or would actually buy.

Perhaps NoA needs to be blamed since their advertising is pretty crappy I feel and has been for a very long time. They allowed Metroid Prime 3 to be easily overshadowed by both Bioshock and Halo 3. The month of Metroid was worthless in the end. Nintendo may say one thing but their actions seem to show they don't really care at times.

So far BW2 hasn't been advertised at all as far as I can see and I don't expect it to be. I don't expect anything for Fire Emblem as well. Mario Galaxy will get it but no doubt it will be advertise like a week before it's released. Perhaps the fault lies with Nintendo of America in the end. The cleaning house as a result of the move might be a good thing if it finally gets that part of the company to actually get off their asses and actually advertise their own games and actually build up interest in them.

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#1177 pintabear49blue
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THIS IS MADNESSSSS!!!!!!!!!:evil:BluBucket

Madness? this is System Wars !!!!!!! *kicks BluBucket into system wars abyss

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#1178 DSgamer64
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OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

Yeah but it is still too bad that the hardcore veteran players like myself are still loyalto Nintendo.

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#1179 ljlrj
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the thread is madness made 2 50's page
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#1180 GunSmith1_basic
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Wii Fit is one example .... a game made by nintendo...aimed at working out and their premiere game at E3 2007...then their constant comments on hardcores (used in broad terms) not understanding and casual games (games without depth, mini-games) are the future.

What are some of the great games that you've played on the Wii? I can name only two Zelda and MP3. Its been almost a year....

-D3MO-
what is wrong about wiifit? It has shown to be a lot better than it was when we first heard about it. It actually has skiing games and such which use the balance board in a great way. Plus it's a niche game so not everyone has to buy it
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#1181 shadowfox55
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I feel the same way Nintendo just said screw our orginal aduience. We have have a new aduience. Look at the Nintendo DS almost all the games on there all thinking games to help people learn. And the Wii hasn't lived up to the hype it has gotten.

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#1183 GunSmith1_basic
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[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Metroid Prime 3 will be built around "the zapper", features basically a "turbo charged" mode. Wrong no zapper you never played MP3 loser, and corruption mode adds more to gameplay

Super Smash Brawl might not feature online gameplay. Confirmed ages ago, with co-op


Nintendo is in a situation where, quite frankly, we, the longtime gamers, are supporting them out of nostalgia. If the actual *games* Nintendo is releasing - Metroid, Mario, Smash, et cetera - were the same games, but with new characters and titles, would we be buying them. Honestly, look in your heart and tell me you'd buy MP3 without the "M". If the game is the same then who cares what the character model is? do you want nintendo to give an option for SMG to be played with a master chief skin? nitpicking shows what you really are - a fanboy

This doesn't just apply to Nintendo - Halo 3 *looks awful* by comparisson to other FPS titles coming out this year - it hasn't *evolved* enough - the FPS genre moves and improve so quickly - yet Halo 3 looks archaic.

Then complain more about this ALSO THE 360'S BEST GAMES ALL ARE SHOOTERS, THEY ARE KILLING VARIETY IN GAMING, SOME OF US DON'T LIKE ONLY SHOOTERS.

darkIink

Epic fail fanboy go back to halo 1.3

subrosion made this thread ages ago, before any of this was confirmed.
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#1184 Shinobishyguy
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Oh lawd.

Just let this thread die already!

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#1185 leegar88
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[QUOTE="subrosian"]

Metroid Prime 3 will be built around "the zapper", features basically a "turbo charged" mode. Wrong no zapper you never played MP3 loser, and corruption mode adds more to gameplay

Super Smash Brawl might not feature online gameplay. Confirmed ages ago, with co-op


Nintendo is in a situation where, quite frankly, we, the longtime gamers, are supporting them out of nostalgia. If the actual *games* Nintendo is releasing - Metroid, Mario, Smash, et cetera - were the same games, but with new characters and titles, would we be buying them. Honestly, look in your heart and tell me you'd buy MP3 without the "M". If the game is the same then who cares what the character model is? do you want nintendo to give an option for SMG to be played with a master chief skin? nitpicking shows what you really are - a fanboy

This doesn't just apply to Nintendo - Halo 3 *looks awful* by comparisson to other FPS titles coming out this year - it hasn't *evolved* enough - the FPS genre moves and improve so quickly - yet Halo 3 looks archaic.

Then complain more about this ALSO THE 360'S BEST GAMES ALL ARE SHOOTERS, THEY ARE KILLING VARIETY IN GAMING, SOME OF US DON'T LIKE ONLY SHOOTERS.

darkIink

Epic fail fanboy go back to halo 1.3

To be fair this thread was posted ages ago, but you are still right.

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#1186 leegar88
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Oh lawd.

Just let this thread die already!

Shinobishyguy

My fault I came across this thread and I posted a link to it in another thread, I didn't know someone would bump it. Would gets me is this post is old but people still agree.

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#1187 Madsucktion
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So.... I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here. You're mad at Nintendo because they are catering to different audiences? You feel that they have "dumbed down" classic franchises just so that John Q Public can play it? Twilight Princess was just as hard as OOT and WW were, and Metroid Prime was Harder then MP1, yet not as hard as MP2. And to say that MP3 looks bad (I will assume that is what you mean by archaic) is a little strange. I still stand by the fact that it has crossed a line from "graphics" and "jaggies" into a genre that some games aspire to be in: "Art".

Also, to attack Nintendo at the online front is a little like getting in a fight with a baby isn't it? They have NEVER been good at online, and the Wii is their first true stab at the whole thing. Microsoft had the XBox to ween itself on, and Sony had the capital and resources of the entire company to blatanty try and steal Microsoft's idea. Hell of all things i'm pleased with Nintendo's progress thus far. Online Smash Brothers is going to be spectacular, and I'm thrilled to death there arn't going to be any "Microtransactions" on nintendo games (at least, in the announced future).

If the Big ole' N had given up on us so called "Hardcore" gamers, would they even have bothered making MP3? Would they allow things like No More Heroes or Resident Evil even come out on their system? Would they still be making Fire Emblems, or releasing import only games on the Virtual Console? I'd think no.

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#1188 tman93
Member since 2006 • 7769 Posts

Oh lawd.

Just let this thread die already!

Shinobishyguy

Yea. I mean, looking at his posts, I think he was caught up in the moment, beause I think he likes Nintendo again.

And alot of people saying its a good post ect. would be the ones picking it apart had it been about their system.

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#1189 PullTheTricker
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Tbh this gen just doesn't cut it for me... so far. Maybe GTAIV will change my view. We're beginning to see diminishing returns. Half-Life 2 is still imo the best game ever released. And not many games have surpassed it so far. Next-gen begins for me when Valve, Gabe Newell will work on Half-Life 3.

Nintendo is doing something good for us. Prices are too damnhigh atm. To lower prices we need to make the gaming market more mainstream. Who knows in the future we can buy games like we do with DVD movies. Games are copies just like movies... both have pretty much equal budget dependant on the quality of the movie and film (technical, voice acting etc).

I would love to see games cost no more then 20 euros in the future. Nintendo is making change to gaming industry. I was a skeptical person at first but I see now the positive potentional of this system. I still don't have a Wii myself though. Mario Galaxy is my deciding factor... I'l see. :)

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#1190 Dreams-Visions
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why did this thread get bumped?
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#1191 XenoNinja
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Oh well, someones gonna be missing out on 2 of the greatest games ever made. SSBB & SMG.
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#1192 WalterPaladines
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Great thread subrosian, after the Gamecube I gave up on Nintendo!
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#1193 sexy_chimp
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Great thread subrosian, after the Gamecube I gave up on Nintendo!WalterPaladines

I think you forgot to randomly advertise R&C in that post.

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#1194 XBebop
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I have been saying this for some time, and it has been misinterpreted over and over again. I've been called an elitist, biased, a hater, whatever....

Nintendo is hurting gaming.


Frankly, what Nintendo is doing right now is appealing to a market that's not us - the longtime gamer - but a market that is *them* - people who don't like videogames - people who play things like DDR, Guitar Hero, and Jane Fonda workout tapes. They shoved us aside with the Wii - in fact, look at Reggies' comments for the past two years - they *are no longer interested* in catering to us.

At their press conference, Nintendo kept telling us "you're wrong". Over and over, in fact. They told us what to think. They told us "oh, you're wrong, this is gaming for everyone" - they essentially acted like "hehehe you're stupid, you don't get it." The reality is, they know this isn't gaming for us, they know we don't enjoy these games - but they figure, "hey, if we can tell some Nintendo diehards that we're making gaming *better*, maybe we can drag them along".

Everything they're doing right now is about catering to sales from a lucrative market - a market we've been calling "casuals" - but in retrospect we should have kept calling "non-gamers". Casuals *used to be* a market that pumped their chests for Madden and Halo - what we have here is a new beast entirely.


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For a minute, just concede that Nintendo doesn't care. Why are they harming gaming? Because they control so many nostalgic series. I had to give this up *a long time ago*. As an early Sega fan, I had to accept that my favorite games - such as Sonic the Hedgehog - were no longer the same. I had to come to terms with the parent company Sega losing their minds - Sonic 3D Blast helped a great deal to drive that reality home, and by the time I played Sonic Shuffle and Sonic Adventure 2, it became easier to accept that Sega was going downhill.

Nintendo isn't dying, they were though, they were dying, losing marketshare, and they found this huge new market with the Wii... and unfortunately, much like Sega, they hold our old favorites hostage. So what do we get? Our best games come with concessions - Metroid Prime 3 will be built around "the zapper", goes back to stacked beams, and features basically a "turbo charged" mode -why? All in the interest of making the bastion of Nintendo's "hardcore" catalog still sell to some of the same people who will buy Wii Fitness.

They are trying to blend the ****c franchises into the Wii Sports / Play / Fitness market

Twilight Princess was one of the easiest Zelda games I've ever played, Super Paper Mario was time-consuming, but not exactly *challenging*, and Super Smash Brawl might not feature online gameplay.

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And that was, by far, one of the worst parts of the show - "made you didn't notice that we already have online gameplay?" ... maybe Nintendo didn't notice that PC, Xbox 360, and PS3 have services that are lightyears ahead of what I do on a DS or Wii? I don't feel like I have "the world" in the palm of my hand when I play Mario Kart online on my DS - I feel like I might as well be playing against the AI - I can't identify if I'm really playing the same people again, there's no ranking, I can't talk to my opponents, I can't see my opponents - where is the online social interaction?

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I feel that Nintendo has realized that online doesn't matter to increase DS / Wii sales, so they're not doing it - that simply they said "building a service like PSN costs too much money, and look at the people buying a Wii, they don't care." I do care, however, it's important for me. I have friends and family all over the world - being able to see their face and hear their voice while I play is vital - it makes it so I'm playing a racing game with my little brother, even though he's in another city - it makes it so I can talk to the other gamers in my Halo clan, even though they're in Denmark. Nintendo's issue isn't that they "don't get it" - it's that their current salesbase says "I can go to YouTube and MySpace on my Wii - Wii does it all!"

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Nintendo is in a situation where, quite frankly, we, the longtime gamers, are supporting them out of nostalgia. If the actual *games* Nintendo is releasing - Metroid, Mario, Smash, et cetera - were the same games, but with new characters and titles, would we be buying them. Honestly, look in your heart and tell me you'd buy MP3 without the "M". This doesn't just apply to Nintendo - Halo 3 *looks awful* by comparisson to other FPS titles coming out this year - it hasn't *evolved* enough - the FPS genre moves and improve so quickly - yet Halo 3 looks archaic. Yet MP3 looks *even more* archaic, and we support it, why? Because it's Metroid. I'm as guilty as the next guy of doing this.

I'm sorry, this all might not be the level of logic or cohesiveness I usually have - I have no intention of becoming a fanboy or a hater or anything else, but I'm done with Nintendo - I am washing my hands of them. For me it's about more than the games, it's also about the vision behind those games, about what you're trying to do with them. Yesterday's showcase was a disgusting display of chest-pounding arrogance and a clear showing that Nintendo does not view games as art.

"Games are for everyone" doesn't mean you should stop making games for me. I always thought, as a kid when I played Gameboy, that Nintendo would grow up with me, and they haven't. Sega and Nintendo, hand-in-hand walked me down a brightly coloured path to living gaming - and now both of them are gone. Nintendo... Sega... gone. I thought they were gone last year, and I gave them one last chance here, I tried to be open-minded, but I can't do it anymore.

I cannot accept Nintendo's vision for gaming. I do not support the idea that titles such as Wii Fitness should be showcased as videogames.

I'm done Nintendo. You do what you want to do, you will never get another dollar from me. Say good-bye to the tens of thousands I've spent on your products over the years. Frankly, it's my finest wish that every other longtime Nintendo fan do the same. Hardcore gamers represent a great deal of software sales - as long as we continue to support their "blended" market - where they make *just enough* of a hardcore spin on ****c franchises to tempt us, they will be able to keep being insanely profitable.

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I'm done. I'm sick and tired of having to hold my breath and pray - Sony this year "got it" - they were humble, they showed games, and they said "thanks for being here guys." Nintendo doesn't care. Sonic and Mario standing together in the same game should be enough of a warning sign to longtime gamers - hegehogs and plumbers running down a track together (at the same height, might I add, though Sega keeps changing how tall Sonic is every game, it's getting annoying) is, I believe, one of the signs of the apocalypse.
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Nintendo's world has ended, and I'm done with it. Bye, see ya. Time to get a second or third job, because the future of gaming as I enjoy it does not lie in your competively priced "plug-n-play" remote controlled gaming box.

subrosian

You're forgetting that they're making just as many "hardcore" games as they used to(if not more).

Logic ftw!

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#1195 orazinac
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I agree with you. I'm sad that all these new kids that become gamers will not get to grow up with a regular-type video game. I mean that a few games that are different are not bad, but turning the entire focus on one way to play all the games kinda messes it up. I really miss the days when Mario actually stuck to his story-- fighting Bowser and stomping mushrooms. Nowadays almost every Mario game is a sport or an arcade-like game. I do not hate the Wii, I just think it strayed way too far away from what we used to love. But then again, it's not really the gamer's decision on what to do, it's the designers.
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#1196 Wanderer5
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This thread does not need to be bump, but I still don't understand why people are saying his post was great. First off the MP3 using the Wii Zapper part is BS, then Nintendo have not forgotten Hardcore gaming and they are not hurting gaming. They are having games for Hardcore. His post = not great.

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#1197 PikaPichu
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So.... I don't quite understand what you are trying to say here. You're mad at Nintendo because they are catering to different audiences? You feel that they have "dumbed down" classic franchises just so that John Q Public can play it? Twilight Princess was just as hard as OOT and WW were, and Metroid Prime was Harder then MP1, yet not as hard as MP2. And to say that MP3 looks bad (I will assume that is what you mean by archaic) is a little strange. I still stand by the fact that it has crossed a line from "graphics" and "jaggies" into a genre that some games aspire to be in: "Art".

Also, to attack Nintendo at the online front is a little like getting in a fight with a baby isn't it? They have NEVER been good at online, and the Wii is their first true stab at the whole thing. Microsoft had the XBox to ween itself on, and Sony had the capital and resources of the entire company to blatanty try and steal Microsoft's idea. Hell of all things i'm pleased with Nintendo's progress thus far. Online Smash Brothers is going to be spectacular, and I'm thrilled to death there arn't going to be any "Microtransactions" on nintendo games (at least, in the announced future).

If the Big ole' N had given up on us so called "Hardcore" gamers, would they even have bothered making MP3? Would they allow things like No More Heroes or Resident Evil even come out on their system? Would they still be making Fire Emblems, or releasing import only games on the Virtual Console? I'd think no.

Madsucktion

I have to disagree with you with the online stuff. The DS has pretty decent online support. Cheap exploits aside, games like Pokemon, Mario Kart and Tetris are great fun to play online. Why Nintendo is so hesitant to carry things out on the Wii is still a mystery to me.

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#1198 nevereathim
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Lol, why do you all takethe Wii to be ruining gaming, rather than just giving another option or path for you to take. The PS3 and 360 are not going away because nintendo release games like Wii Fit, they are just expanding the audience that can take part, they are still releasing games that "hardcore" gamers can play. Sorry to sound harsh but if your post is so well thought out, why dont you look at the bigger picture of gaming as a whole and not just ur needs, your saying casuals cant have games and should gtfo?

Its time people got real and realised nintendo isnt doing anything to harm gaming but quite the opposite. They are keeping prices low, pushing the old retro download service to Sony and Microsoft, giving people an option of games. If you dont like nintendogs, dont play it, if you dont like Wii Fit, dont play it, so hard? There will still be games like MP3, and publishers are tring to hit these markets, its just that games are in development now after seeing the success of the Wii, a good game takes a long time.....

Knewl2

Microsoft and other developers will follow in that path because of all the $$$, therefore we will all be stuck with crappy casual games, besides they don't even treat their own community well releasing only 5 good games a year

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#1199 robokill
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  1. anyone who can't see the rift that nintendo has single handedly created is blind. I had a wii, as a long time game player, the whole system is a gimmick, there is no substance at all to keep me interested there. I'd rather play old pc games than dick around on the wii. The reason I hate the wii controls, cumbersome, pointer lag, and a chore instead of fun
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#1200 iunderstand
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This thread is so old that it's actually lost relevancy. Just let it die...