Good-Bye Nintendo

Even as a long-term fan, I too am pretty concerned with the direction that Nintendo is going in. I just hope this isn't the slippery to the company's demise.

The original post was amazingly written.

let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTNaiKoN9293

Hey, microsoft are now the only company putting heat on Sont to make better games asnd hardware!

I think the truth of the matter is a bit different. I think that people who hold this view, hold it because of nostalgia. This isn't about games surviving because of nostalgia. This is about you being too nostalgic. You hurt inside, it hurts you that the goold ol' days are gone. So, you waste your time trying to validate your pain. You think Nintendo is hurting gaming, I think your just too nostalgic.

Nintendo is and always was JUST A RESPONSIBLE COMPANY FROM JAPAN!!!

Yes, sushimaster.

I think it's because old Nintendo fans feel like Nintendo is killing nostalgia, as it were, not the gaming industry.

People (oh what the hell... sheep) need to realize that non-gamer and casual aren't the same thing.

I did not start gaming with non-gamer games. I did not start gaming in the 80s with Wii Fit, Cookbook DS or Brain Age.

I started gaming with games. Simpler games, yes. But they were not simple back then. Back then, Mario was hard. Games were hard. But you still played them and you learned how to play them better.

People won't turn into casuals because they're playing Wii Fit. And they sure as hell won't turn into gamers either.

People (oh what the hell... sheep) need to realize that non-gamer and casual aren't the same thing.

I did not start gaming with non-gamer games. I did not start gaming in the 80s with Wii Fit, Cookbook DS or Brain Age.

I started gaming with games. Simpler games, yes. But they were not simple back then. Back then, Mario was hard. Games were hard. But you still played them and you learned how to play them better.

People won't turn into casuals because they're playing Wii Fit. And they sure as hell won't turn into gamers either.

DireToad

Wait, sheep are the ones saying non-gamers and causals are the same thing :?

Well of course you didnt since that never existed BACK THEN.

Even as a long-term fan, I too am pretty concerned with the direction that Nintendo is going in. I just hope this isn't the slippery to the company's demise.

The original post was amazingly written.

luke1889

:roll: change is a good thing and if you cant get use to it... than thats your own fault

While I might be a little bit leery of the path Nintendo is taking on some things in the gaming industry, I will still be buying SMG, MP3:C, Animal Crossing, SSBB, and whatever else sounds fun that the Wii gets. I don't care what anybody says or how many casuals the system supports, there will be the games that I'm going to personally enjoy on the Wii and I don't think I'm the only one..

I don't know what will happen down the road with Nintendo, but I think right now the Wii is a fine system and I believe the upcoming games are hinting that this is only the beginning of what to expect as far as games catering to the hardcore gamers.

People won't turn into casuals because they're playing Wii Fit. And they sure as hell won't turn into gamers either.

DireToad

Howthe hell do you know that? Just because you didn't start out on games like these (because you couldn't)?

They're buying a gaming console, and they know that. It's more probable that they will become interested in other games than not.

I'll never understand this mentality. I have an xbox and 360, I play some games, have a good time, relax and get a little vacation from reality while I do it. I am not attracted to Nintendo games because I never boughta system during the time when Mario became huge. (I am old enough to have done it. I playedpong on a black and white TV.) But what does it matter if Nintendo tries to make a lot of games for the casual market? They will still make Metroid and three billion Mario games and Zelda. They will still make Pokemon and all the other stuff. They will just make a bunch of games that are non games and appeal to a broader base. How does this effect anyone personally? They make an inexpensive machine with popular (if goofy to me) games and characters and are trying to broaden the base of game players. I just don't see how they owe anyone anything other than a quality product to people.

Besides, I am a believer that the more people they bring into gaming, the more they will expose people to All gaming. I came to gaming as an adult with a wife and kids as a way to relax. The first game I ever completed was Halo CE. Maybe Nintendo will get people to play Wii Fit, Mario goofy version of the moment, Donkey Kong or whatever, then some of these people will see Metroid or Zelda and give it a try. Then they are on XBL screaming smack at a spoiled 12 year old ina Halo 3 match a year later. It could happen.

SergeStorms

[QUOTE="DireToad"]

People won't turn into casuals because they're playing Wii Fit. And they sure as hell won't turn into gamers either.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

Howthe hell do you know that? Just because you didn't start out on games like these (because you couldn't)?

They're buying a gaming console, and they know that. It's more probable that they will become interested in other games than not.

I've said before, Subrosian is being pretty melodramatic

There is nothing to suggest that ALL the Wii will get iss minigames.

I've said before, Subrosian is being pretty melodramatic

There is nothing to suggest that ALL the Wii will get iss minigames.

NorthlandMan

Good games are already showing face, and there's no reason to think that there won't be more coming. Especially for 3rd party devs, it will just take a little time to use their imagination to have some more creative uses for the Wii controls aside from the obvious, and I think that will be part of the breakthrough in what core gamers are looking for.

I could care less about Nintendo, their prodcts haven't appealed to me for more than 10 years. My only fear is that if their success continues that Microsoft and Sony will see following their example of appealing to non-gamers as the only way to walk away with a significant market-share. The day that all we say in terms of games are things like Wii-Fit and the same old franchises(Mario and Metroid, Nintendo where are the 1st party original I.P.s?) is the day I cease to play videogames. In the midst of Nintendo's success they've forgotten that Hardcore gamers are the most important market. That's the market that cares about videogames as art, that's the marketshare that'll wait outside for a midnight launch. Nintendo seems to haveforgotten about that market.espoac

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTNatural_Mystic

So Ms is EVIL , Sony is aliar and Ninty is Treacherous and Greedy!

God Damn it the gamin' industry is Rotten from the inside ...!

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="DireToad"]

People won't turn into casuals because they're playing Wii Fit. And they sure as hell won't turn into gamers either.

TSCombo

Howthe hell do you know that? Just because you didn't start out on games like these (because you couldn't)?

They're buying a gaming console, and they know that. It's more probable that they will become interested in other games than not.

ie being kiddy, or primitive etc

I've said before, Subrosian is being pretty melodramatic

There is nothing to suggest that ALL the Wii will get iss minigames.

NorthlandMan

they are half-assed!

^^^^ all good selling system get the worst and great games :| its called developers choicewavebrid

not a chance

[QUOTE="wavebrid"]^^^^ all good selling system get the worst and great games :| its called developers choicemestizoman

not a chance

ps2 had bad and worst games as well dont bother trying to be a to hide from its glorey. Wii is going to be simmliar to ps2 like it or not. IT SELLING = more market = more 3rd party support = more games.

its not hard to think logic... is it?

so you saying that you dont like nintendo anymore because they dont have online feature as xbox live or PSN and nintendo are coming out with the Wii FIT?

seem right to me

the wii is a great console, look at itss sells and reviews for 1st party game. I love nintendo.pintabear49blue

Would you kindly not ressurect dead topics? They tend to be dead for a good reason.

[QUOTE="Knewl2"]

Lol, why do you all take the Wii to be ruining gaming, rather than just giving another option or path for you to take.

Runningflame570

Because I'm fully aware of the repercussions poor quality casual-oriented titles had on the gaming industry and was around personally to see the horrors of the SNES Edutainment games, a kind of horror I had hoped to never see again.

I still hold onto some traditional ideas of what gaming should be and the vast majority of the Wii catalog meets none of these criteria.

you are fully aware of these "repercussions", really? Because Im not. There has never been anything like the Wii before. No one has ever tried to appeal to the videogame-casual market. There has NEVER been anything like this before. How do you know whats going to happen?What can the Wii doto thevideogame industry,at its peak right now, that could hurt it? Minigames?According to Willys random posting, there are only 7 or 8 out of the who-knows-how-many-games the Wii has. Are you magic? Can you predict the future? The SNES. Early days of gaming, there was no such thing as hardcore back then. Videogames were hobbies until now. Today They are common household objects.

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

sexy_chimp

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

stopped reading after you said non-gamer. how can a gamer "casual" or not be a non-gamer.

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

i love how ppl say nintendo is being less "hardcore" abandoning "hardcores"(i take that term with a grain of salt.) Anyways how is nintendo becomming more "casual" and abandoning us "hardcore's"

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

marth678

stopped reading after you said non-gamer. how can a gamer "casual" or not be a non-gamer.

too bad you stopped reading...

I use terms in a broad and general sense that the audience can relate or understand.

If I say the Sheep claim...Do you stop reading at Sheep because a Sheep is a farm animal? Or do u read Sheep as a Nintendo Fan based on GS jargon?

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

marth678

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

i love how ppl say nintendo is being less "hardcore" abandoning "hardcores"(i take that term with a grain of salt.) Anyways how is nintendo becomming more "casual" and abandoning us "hardcore's"

Wii Fit is one example .... a game made by nintendo...aimed at working out and their premiere game at E3 2007...then their constant comments on hardcores (used in broad terms) not understanding and casual games (games without depth, mini-games) are the future.

What are some of the great games that you've played on the Wii? I can name only two Zelda and MP3. Its been almost a year....

[QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

If they were abandoning hardcores they would stop making hardcore games. Which obviously, they are not. Batallion Wars 2, Super Mario Galaxy, Fire Emblem (Cmon, this is like the hardcorest of hardcore games here), Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Mario Kart Wii and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. These are all by Nintendo and appeal to hardcore gamers.

[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

stopped reading after you said non-gamer. how can a gamer "casual" or not be a non-gamer.

too bad you stopped reading...

I use terms in a broad and general sense that the audience can relate or understand.

If I say the Sheep claim...Do you stop reading at Sheep because a Sheep is a farm animal? Or do u read Sheep as a Nintendo Fan based on GS jargon?

i never back sown from an srgument with a fanboy, why would I? Either way nongamer is a contradiction, paradox, oxymoron, etc... if you play games you CANNOT be a non-gamer .

[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

i love how ppl say nintendo is being less "hardcore" abandoning "hardcores"(i take that term with a grain of salt.) Anyways how is nintendo becomming more "casual" and abandoning us "hardcore's"

Wii Fit is one example .... a game made by nintendo...aimed at working out and their premiere game at E3 2007...then their constant comments on hardcores (used in broad terms) not understanding and casual games (games without depth, mini-games) are the future.

What are some of the great games that you've played on the Wii? I can name only two Zelda and MP3. Its been almost a year....

[QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

marth678

stopped reading after you said non-gamer. how can a gamer "casual" or not be a non-gamer.

too bad you stopped reading...

I use terms in a broad and general sense that the audience can relate or understand.

If I say the Sheep claim...Do you stop reading at Sheep because a Sheep is a farm animal? Or do u read Sheep as a Nintendo Fan based on GS jargon?

i never back sown from an srgument with a fanboy, why would I? Either way nongamer is a contradiction, paradox, oxymoron, etc... if you play games you CANNOT be a non-gamer .

Are u arguing over a term or over the meaning of the message?

[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

stopped reading after you said non-gamer. how can a gamer "casual" or not be a non-gamer.

too bad you stopped reading...

I use terms in a broad and general sense that the audience can relate or understand.

If I say the Sheep claim...Do you stop reading at Sheep because a Sheep is a farm animal? Or do u read Sheep as a Nintendo Fan based on GS jargon?

i never back sown from an srgument with a fanboy, why would I? Either way nongamer is a contradiction, paradox, oxymoron, etc... if you play games you CANNOT be a non-gamer .

Are u arguing over a term or over the meaning of the message?

the term, the maening of the message how great you think it is is wrong, point blank, nintendo isnt abandoning any1, the only ppl abandoning some1 you. You abandoned nintendo b/c YOU felt that way, its wrong though and i forgive you.

[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

i love how ppl say nintendo is being less "hardcore" abandoning "hardcores"(i take that term with a grain of salt.) Anyways how is nintendo becomming more "casual" and abandoning us "hardcore's"

Wii Fit is one example .... a game made by nintendo...aimed at working out and their premiere game at E3 2007...then their constant comments on hardcores (used in broad terms) not understanding and casual games (games without depth, mini-games) are the future.

What are some of the great games that you've played on the Wii? I can name only two Zelda and MP3. Its been almost a year....

wii sports, re4, tp, excite truck, mp3(soon) mario galaxy(soon) and plenty of other games i have no money to buy.you can only name 2 becasue you have only played 2, hmm maybe thats something you need to think about.

Lets see

Wii Sports = Very Casual, Demo game for the Wii, no depth,

RE4 = Great Game...but also a Remake and available on the GC, PS2, and PC

TP = Great game, but falls short compared to other Zelda's IMO

Excite Truck = Are you kidding?

MP 3 = Great Game, nothing bad to say about it.

Super Mario Galaxy = Haven't played it. I reserve judgement

The Wii having "bad" games has nothing to do with it. As you can see, Nintendo is still releasing good games (TP and MP3) so you shoud be blaming the third parties instead of Nintendo. However, this is all completely off topic so stop talking about it.

[QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="marth678"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"][QUOTE="sexy_chimp"][QUOTE="-D3MO-"]

OP has made the POST OF THE YEAR

One of the best and most logical posts I have ever seen on System Wars.

My hat off to you OP.

Nintendo is going in the wrong direction. The non-gamers are following them...and the hardcore have no choice but to follow because as you said Nintendo holds the rights to Metroid and Zelda, etc. And the hardcore don't want to accept change, accept the fact that what Nintendo is doing is wrong for games so they will bash and hate you for this post...but deep inside they know it too.

-D3MO-

It's not like hardcore people and casual people can't like the same console. People here are too afraid that video games will be played by people that aren't "nerds." That is just elitist.

Anyway, just stop posting in this thread since it is really old and was revived for no reason.

There is nothing wrong w/ both groups liking a console.

But there is something wrong when the company decides to abandon the hardcore and foucs only on the casuals...then the hardcore have to lower their standards greatly.
Oblivion this this for me. Morrowind was a way better game because it was more complex, oblivion in my opinion was dumbed down to appeal more to the casuals...

i love how ppl say nintendo is being less "hardcore" abandoning "hardcores"(i take that term with a grain of salt.) Anyways how is nintendo becomming more "casual" and abandoning us "hardcore's"

Wii Fit is one example .... a game made by nintendo...aimed at working out and their premiere game at E3 2007...then their constant comments on hardcores (used in broad terms) not understanding and casual games (games without depth, mini-games) are the future.

What are some of the great games that you've played on the Wii? I can name only two Zelda and MP3. Its been almost a year....

wii sports, re4, tp, excite truck, mp3(soon) mario galaxy(soon) and plenty of other games i have no money to buy.you can only name 2 becasue you have only played 2, hmm maybe thats something you need to think about.

Lets see

Wii Sports = Very Casual, Demo game for the Wii, no depth,

RE4 = Great Game...but also a Remake and available on the GC, PS2, and PC

TP = Great game, but falls short compared to other Zelda's IMO

Excite Truck = Are you kidding?

MP 3 = Great Game, nothing bad to say about it.

Super Mario Galaxy = Haven't played it. I reserve judgement

what i cant like fun games, just because you and i have diff. opinions about a game dont get hasty about judgement. Halo to me is nothing to camp out for or even really consider playing unless with friends. If you like halo i could have given you the same treatment you said about excite truck. see where im going?

Anyways Tp was and is the best zelda to date, ppl need to hop of OOT's jock because it SUCKS, big time.