GOW 2 tech demo,water over 1000 locust on screen

Im more amazed by the destructible envirments....it looks freakin tight, plus Heavenly Sword has already done 1000 enemies on screen.

http://uk.gamespot.com/users/fenwickhotmail/video_player?id=cSM1wzbx5bwLvDfZ

this game is just gonna rule
NOODLES_07

1000s on screen? 100s sounds more reasonable...

Im more amazed by the destructible envirments....it looks freakin tight, plus Heavenly Sword has already done 1000 enemies on screen.

xTHExJUICEx

Well the 100 enemies on screen is significant because in Gears there was never a huge amount of units on screen. There was enough to make the game fun but it wasnt like a huge all out war. So now they can possibly make some huge war sequences, though that may be pretty hectic.

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.justforlotr2004

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

100 not 1000 and umm yeah HS has thousand. Uncharted has same quality water. Seriously, calm down its only a tech demo.Super-Punch

There are a lot of games that had 1000, thats not the point its about Gears being able to have more enemies on screen at a time than last time.

its not gonna be in the game but it gives us a idea of how bigger the battles will be

and guys stop bringing up HS and uncharted both arnt even AAA titles lol
NOODLES_07

Whoops sorry about that I didnt know HS couldnt qualify since its not AAA, what else rules apply so we dont slip up again?

[QUOTE="Super-Punch"]100 not 1000 and umm yeah HS has thousand. Uncharted has same quality water. Seriously, calm down its only a tech demo.justforlotr2004

There are a lot of games that had 1000, thats not the point its about Gears being able to have more enemies on screen at a time than last time.

its a tech demo people, A TECH DEMO.

Not an actual game, and the tech demo is running from devs computer.

plzz mods, close this thread, soo much nonsense.

the first one couldnt manage more than 8 and now they believe it can do 1000, omg. im taking a break, this forum is getting to me as of lately.

how old r some of you in here, just curious? no offense.

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

[QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Juggernaut140

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

[QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

OK then, what do all the cows say who said the huge numbers on screen at once like in Heavenly Sword couldn't be done on the 360?

What do they say about the water effects, which are very similar to Uncharted's?

Is this finally going to put to bed the issue of the tech difference between the PS3 and 360? It's so obvious now that both systems are much more equal than the last generation of Xbox and PS2!

Are you cows finally convinced?

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.Frier6000

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

[QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

KrazyKenKutarag

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

its not too hard, since the first one burned up most of xbox360 muscle which most wont admit it and the fact that it nearly filled the entire dvd, what more can you expect from the geow2?

the tech demo is whats to come to the pc tech and not xbox360, lol.

they r just using geow2 in the tech demo to hype all u people all over again.

[QUOTE="Frier6000"]

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.justforlotr2004

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

hm could of sworn I heard it somewhere but theres so many different versions of videos out right now Im not sure if I heard it from a different one or even at all. Either way I still say its not too farfetched to expect to see the features in the game. Maybe not so much the level of destruction and we wont be seeing 100's of characters on screen but the water and more charactesr with more level of destruction is something I bet we will see.

pause the video at 2:10 and you will see its running on the devs computer which is gazzilion times the power of x360.

http://uk.gamespot.com/users/fenwickhotmail/video_player?id=cSM1wzbx5bwLvDfZ

this game is just gonna rule
NOODLES_07

TC :

GOW = God of WAR

GeoW = Gears of War.

Get it right. I clicked on this thread expecting to find some GOW news regarding locusts of biblical proportions for Kratos to smash, not Locust Alien's for Marcus Phoenix to shoot.

Get it right.

[QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

its not too hard, since the first one burned up most of xbox360 muscle which most wont admit it and the fact that it nearly filled the entire dvd, what more can you expect from the geow2?

the tech demo is whats to come to the pc tech and not xbox360, lol.

they r just using geow2 in the tech demo to hype all u people all over again.

[QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

its not too hard, since the first one burned up most of xbox360 muscle which most wont admit it and the fact that it nearly filled the entire dvd, what more can you expect from the geow2?

the tech demo is whats to come to the pc tech and not xbox360, lol.

they r just using geow2 in the tech demo to hype all u people all over again.

Even the devs said the 360 still had a lot more power in it, if you believe ANY console of this generation have maxed out yet, you have a severe case of denial. Gears only covered 6 gigs, and more space doesn't equal better graphics, physics are gameplay, you have no idea what your talking about.

Epic are obviously going to use most of the features they showed in the tech demo in Gears 2 as well as other games. It may be hype, but they wouldn't show those features and cut them from Gears 2.

Also, correct your grammar, it feels like I'm talking to an illiterate 5 year old.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.Frier6000

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

hm could of sworn I heard it somewhere but theres so many different versions of videos out right now Im not sure if I heard it from a different one or even at all. Either way I still say its not too farfetched to expect to see the features in the game. Maybe not so much the level of destruction and we wont be seeing 100's of characters on screen but the water and more charactesr with more level of destruction is something I bet we will see.

pause the video at 2:10 and you will see its running on the devs computer which is gazzilion times the power of x360.

Its a video, its not being played on stage...

So overall you have no clue if the actual gameplay tech footage its being run on 360 dev kits or not, the footage at 2:10 is to show off the cinematic creator in UE3.5.

Frier6000, stop failing all over the place.

You have no proof that Geow2 will suck or for the claims you made about GeoW using up all the 360s power.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.Frier6000

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

hm could of sworn I heard it somewhere but theres so many different versions of videos out right now Im not sure if I heard it from a different one or even at all. Either way I still say its not too farfetched to expect to see the features in the game. Maybe not so much the level of destruction and we wont be seeing 100's of characters on screen but the water and more charactesr with more level of destruction is something I bet we will see.

pause the video at 2:10 and you will see its running on the devs computer which is gazzilion times the power of x360.

OK, lets assume it was running on a PC. To get a game like that to run on the 360 would take a little optimisation but its certainly not impossible. The biggest improvement, the physics will require epic to better figure out how to use multiple threads on the cores of the xenos.

Of course they could reduce the textures a little, keep the lighting effects up and keep the screen res down to 720p. (that display was huge and obviously would require a decent PC to run it)

A little further optimisation of the levels and there absolutely the features shown in that tech demo couldn't be introduced into Gears Of War 2. I mean why would they show all that then not include it on the 360? I doubt they would dare to do that, do you?

[QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

KrazyKenKutarag

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

its not too hard, since the first one burned up most of xbox360 muscle which most wont admit it and the fact that it nearly filled the entire dvd, what more can you expect from the geow2?

the tech demo is whats to come to the pc tech and not xbox360, lol.

they r just using geow2 in the tech demo to hype all u people all over again.

Even the devs said the 360 still had a lot more power in it, if you believe ANY console of this generation have maxed out yet, you have a severe case of denial. Gears only covered 6 gigs, and more space doesn't equal better graphics, physics are gameplay, you have no idea what your talking about.

Epic are obviously going to use most of the features they showed in the tech demo in Gears 2 as well as other games. It may be hype, but they wouldn't show those features and cut them from Gears 2.

Also, correct your grammar, it feels like I'm talking to an illiterate 5 year old.

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

OK, lets assume it was running on a PC. To get a game like that to run on the 360 would take a little optimisation but its certainly not impossible. The biggest improvement, the physics will require epic to better figure out how to use multiple threads on the cores of the xenos.

Of course they could reduce the textures a little, keep the lighting effects up and keep the screen res down to 720p. (that display was huge and obviously would require a decent PC to run it)

A little further optimisation of the levels and there absolutely the features shown in that tech demo couldn't be introduced into Gears Of War 2. I mean why would they show all that then not include it on the 360? I doubt they would dare to do that, do you?

DAZZER7

Although I agree with you I do have to agree with him on the fact that it IS a tech demo to sell the UE. Though in the tech demo what he is showing off is overkill, there doesnt need to be 100's of locus at once on screen, adding maybe 10 more per battle compaired to Gears would add enough to make it feel like a huge battle.

[QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="KrazyKenKutarag"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="Juggernaut140"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

WTF is your problem? GeoW 2 is going to be a great improvement over the first one and the fans are hyped at the idea of this technology being used. Christ dude, quit being a fanboy in everyone of your posts.

if u expect a great improvement over the first you will be dissapointed.

And you know this, how?

its not too hard, since the first one burned up most of xbox360 muscle which most wont admit it and the fact that it nearly filled the entire dvd, what more can you expect from the geow2?

the tech demo is whats to come to the pc tech and not xbox360, lol.

they r just using geow2 in the tech demo to hype all u people all over again.

Even the devs said the 360 still had a lot more power in it, if you believe ANY console of this generation have maxed out yet, you have a severe case of denial. Gears only covered 6 gigs, and more space doesn't equal better graphics, physics are gameplay, you have no idea what your talking about.

Epic are obviously going to use most of the features they showed in the tech demo in Gears 2 as well as other games. It may be hype, but they wouldn't show those features and cut them from Gears 2.

Also, correct your grammar, it feels like I'm talking to an illiterate 5 year old.

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

its running off the devs computer, rofl.

lemms, stop, just stop. Its like 2005 all over again.

Frier6000

[QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.DAZZER7

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

hm could of sworn I heard it somewhere but theres so many different versions of videos out right now Im not sure if I heard it from a different one or even at all. Either way I still say its not too farfetched to expect to see the features in the game. Maybe not so much the level of destruction and we wont be seeing 100's of characters on screen but the water and more charactesr with more level of destruction is something I bet we will see.

pause the video at 2:10 and you will see its running on the devs computer which is gazzilion times the power of x360.

OK, lets assume it was running on a PC. To get a game like that to run on the 360 would take a little optimisation but its certainly not impossible. The biggest improvement, the physics will require epic to better figure out how to use multiple threads on the cores of the xenos.

Of course they could reduce the textures a little, keep the lighting effects up and keep the screen res down to 720p. (that display was huge and obviously would require a decent PC to run it)

A little further optimisation of the levels and there absolutely the features shown in that tech demo couldn't be introduced into Gears Of War 2. I mean why would they show all that then not include it on the 360? I doubt they would dare to do that, do you?

they will put new effects from the new engine, but they will be minimal. Common, do u really believe that geow2 will somehow jump from only 8 enemies from the first one to 100?

listen to me, this is just to hype geow2 as mush as possible, that is all.

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

Frier6000

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth but not with stuff that makes the game better.

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

Frier6000

No, it seems your digging too deep into my comment, since I proved you wrong with everything you said. Right now, DVD will be able to accommodate Gears 2 with space to spare. You said disc space was a problem, I proved you wrong.

Also, please correct your grammar, it's getting hard to read your posts.

[QUOTE="DAZZER7"][QUOTE="Frier6000"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Well its actually a UE3.5 tech demo but it is running off the Xbox 360 using the updated UE so overall it wont be too farfetched to see all these type of features in Gears of War 2. Well besides the big block of meat, that would just be wierd.Frier6000

ur wrong, where the hell did u read that its running off xbox360? in the video it clearly shows its running off the devs computer.

hm could of sworn I heard it somewhere but theres so many different versions of videos out right now Im not sure if I heard it from a different one or even at all. Either way I still say its not too farfetched to expect to see the features in the game. Maybe not so much the level of destruction and we wont be seeing 100's of characters on screen but the water and more charactesr with more level of destruction is something I bet we will see.

pause the video at 2:10 and you will see its running on the devs computer which is gazzilion times the power of x360.

OK, lets assume it was running on a PC. To get a game like that to run on the 360 would take a little optimisation but its certainly not impossible. The biggest improvement, the physics will require epic to better figure out how to use multiple threads on the cores of the xenos.

Of course they could reduce the textures a little, keep the lighting effects up and keep the screen res down to 720p. (that display was huge and obviously would require a decent PC to run it)

A little further optimisation of the levels and there absolutely the features shown in that tech demo couldn't be introduced into Gears Of War 2. I mean why would they show all that then not include it on the 360? I doubt they would dare to do that, do you?

they will put new effects from the new engine, but they will be minimal. Common, do u really believe that geow2 will somehow jump from only 8 enemies from the first one to 100?

listen to me, this is just to hype geow2 as

mush as possible, that is all.

For christ sake no one is saying Gears of war is going to have 100 enimes on screen at once, that would be utter chaos and destroy the entire mechanic of the game. The ability to add a few more enmies here and there to make the fights seem a little bigger is the entire purpose of being excited that they were able to achieve this with UE3.5.

[QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

justforlotr2004

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

linkin_guy109

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

dude, he belives that u can fit the original geow on a single cd.

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

linkin_guy109

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

Well Lossless compresssion doesnt effect sound that much to where you would be able to tell the difference. Though yeah I mean Im not against more space, blu-ray is the future but right now we dont need it.

The difference in regards to 100 characters onscreen is that the enemy AI in Gears is so much better than that of Heavenly Sword. (In fact, just about everything in Gears was better than Heavenly Sword, but that's another discussion).

It's about context. Dynasty Warriors throws dozens and dozens of enemies onscreen at once, but they're dumb as dirt, so who cares? "Enemies onscreen" is not a known quantity. Which is to say that not all enemies are created equal, thus it's about more than just who has more enemies onscreen.

In fact, in the larger sequences in Heavenly Sword, it really worked a lot like the Dynasty Warriors games...the few enemies close to you would attack, and those farther away would just sort of "wait their turn."

In the original Gears, each battle was smaller - your squad against 4 or 5 Locust at any given moment aside from a few sequences, namely the end of the 2nd, 3rd and 4th acts. For people who've played that game to then imagine the dynamics of having exponentially more Locust onscreen at any given time... it's basically Epic upgrading the system and letting gamers know they can do so much more and provide hundreds of intelligent enemies onscreen at once.

Is it likely gamers will actually face 100 Locust at once in Gears 2? No. But the battles are promised to be of a larger scale.

And this principle holds true for all other games using UE3. The engine's been upgraded to allow for more power for their games as well, not just Gears.

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

Frier6000

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

dude, he belives that u can fit the original geow on a single cd and it will be the same game.

I think he means that you can have the game with CD's, but you will need many of them, like 9. Either way, why are you arguing about this? The game is going on DVD9 not CD's, so this argument is irrelevant.

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

Frier6000

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

dude, he belives that u can fit the original geow on a single cd and it will be the same game.

Who the hell said that? I said your acting as if the devs are having less space all of a sudden to use on the DVD, where did you get that I said the original game would fit on a CD?

[QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

justforlotr2004

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

Well Lossless compresssion doesnt effect sound that much to where you would be able to tell the difference. Though yeah I mean Im not against more space, blu-ray is the future but right now we dont need it.

u r living in the past dude, wake up.

they will put new effects from the new engine, but they will be minimal. Common, do u really believe that geow2 will somehow jump from only 8 enemies from the first one to 100?

listen to me, this is just to hype geow2 as mush as possible, that is all.

Frier6000

Effects such as soft physics? Destructible environments? More enemies on screen?....yeah lol

Look, Gears 1 wasnt that technically demanding, Epic said that they could get more out of the 360! I've read some of your posts and you're dead set against anything the 360 does, so look, just acknowledge game engines can be improved particularly on multi-threaded processors!

What we saw doesnt require a hugely expensive rig to run!

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="linkin_guy109"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="Frier6000"]

lol, so if geow was on cd it would look the same?

man, you need to get ur facts straight.

Frier6000

You're acting as if they are suddenly having less space to use. They had plenty of space for gears of war and they will have plenty of space for gears of war 2, simple as that. There isnt one game on the PS3 that REALLY needs the blu-ray disc right now, sure some have used more than a dvd worth not with stuff that makes the game better.

it depends what you define as "better" some people would define better as uncompressed sound (audiophiles) and those people would say that it does help say that it does help the ps3, truthfully though id say it hasnt been needed thus far

Well Lossless compresssion doesnt effect sound that much to where you would be able to tell the difference. Though yeah I mean Im not against more space, blu-ray is the future but right now we dont need it.

u r living in the past dude, wake up.

How so? DVD9 has enough room to fit current gen games, your just running out of arguments.