Gran Turismo SHOULD outsell Halo Reach.

So your basically gonna ignore the fact of PS2 having a massive install base. If we work in ratios. Halo should still outsell GT.

I dont like GT or Halo so u can guess how muchI care?

x8VXU6

it better it seems PS3 fans have been hoping and waiting a long time for high selling exclusive like halo

dont know why tho but i keep seeing GT vs. halo sales threads

Actually since GT5 has less competition this year it really might out sell Reach.

Halo Reach has to compete against MOH, CODBO, Crysis 2, FalloutNV (it is a 1st person shooter RPG), ect.

GT5 main competition is what, Need for speed Hot pursuit (GT5 will crush it)

yeah, what im not getting is

PS2: over 100 million at the time

gt4: 15 million

xbox 360: 20 million at the time

Halo 3: over 8 million

if the ratio is like that, why should 35 million ps3 owners buy that much more ratio wise than 40 million xbox owners?

Assuming GT5 and Reach follow the same patterns as their predecessors, I don't see how GT5 could outsell Reach.

VoodooHak

Just out of curiosity, what pattern are you seeing?

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]Thing is the 360 has no games, so everyone who owns a 360 is going to be looking at Reach, the PS3 on the other hand has so many high quality games that the sales are more spread out between games. SO I don't know Reach might win cause of the lack of 360 games.iDefineInfinity

Xbox 360 library > PS3 library in quality & quantity. In exclusives, the ps3 best the 360 by far

Xbox 360 gamers buy more games than PS3 gamers.

You'll have no excuses at all, when Reach tears your GT apart. We shall see. If a 40 dollar prolouge can sell nearly 5 mill copies, I don't see GT5 having a problem putting grand numberds on the sales charts.

Also, keep crying. :lol:

[QUOTE="iDefineInfinity"]

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]Thing is the 360 has no games, so everyone who owns a 360 is going to be looking at Reach, the PS3 on the other hand has so many high quality games that the sales are more spread out between games. SO I don't know Reach might win cause of the lack of 360 games.ermacness

Xbox 360 library > PS3 library in quality & quantity. In exclusives, the ps3 best the 360 by far

Xbox 360 gamers buy more games than PS3 gamers.

You'll have no excuses at all, when Reach tears your GT apart. We shall see. If a 40 dollar prolouge can sell nearly 5 mill copies, I don't see GT5 having a problem putting grand numberds on the sales charts.

Also, keep crying. :lol:

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="iDefineInfinity"]

Xbox 360 library > PS3 library in quality & quantity. In exclusives, the ps3 best the 360 by far

Xbox 360 gamers buy more games than PS3 gamers.

You'll have no excuses at all, when Reach tears your GT apart. We shall see. If a 40 dollar prolouge can sell nearly 5 mill copies, I don't see GT5 having a problem putting grand numberds on the sales charts.

Also, keep crying. :lol:

genaroll

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="ermacness"]

ermacness

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="genaroll"] Why do cows always use the exclusives excuse?If a 40 dollar prologue couldn't outsell a 60 dollar game what makes you think gt5 could?genaroll

As for as libraries is concerned, it all falls on the buyer and his possessions. If he have nothing, and is looking for a HD console of his choice, the the 360 would be a great choice for him, but if he have a PC, then the 360 is basically irrelevant to him.

if halo reach could be played on the pc then no it will not outsell it

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Assuming GT5 and Reach follow the same patterns as their predecessors, I don't see how GT5 could outsell Reach.

asylumni

Just out of curiosity, what pattern are you seeing?

Amount of units sold per game, even amount of units sold per series per generation. Taking user base into account, Halo still outsells GT. There's no reason to think that this won't hold true for GT5 and Reach.

Of course Reach will sell more than GT5... Won't be my fault, I'll have both ;)

[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="ermacness"]Because lems tend yo think that just because the 360 have PC/360 shared games to compete with the ps3, that this automatically make the 360 exclusives much better than the ps3's in comparison. You'll see many upon many of lems confusing PC/360 games as exclusives. As for the 2nd part of your statement, there's 2 parts to that story, because while Halo 3 outsold GT5p, ODST didn't;)

ermacness

As for as libraries is concerned, it all falls on the buyer and his possessions. If he have nothing, and is looking for a HD console of his choice, the the 360 would be a great choice for him, but if he have a PC, then the 360 is basically irrelevant to him.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Assuming GT5 and Reach follow the same patterns as their predecessors, I don't see how GT5 could outsell Reach.

VoodooHak

Just out of curiosity, what pattern are you seeing?

Amount of units sold per game, even amount of units sold per series per generation. Taking user base into account, Halo still outsells GT. There's no reason to think that this won't hold true for GT5 and Reach.

Ok, in lieu of better, vgchartz has this

GT1 10.85m

GT2 9.37m

GT3 14.89m

GT4 10.54m

Halo1 6.43m

Halo2 8.43m

Halo3 11.03m

ODST 5.30m

Breakdown by gen.

PS1 20.22m

PS2 25.43m

Xbox 14.86m

360 16.33m

So what pattern is there? It could, perhaps be argued that the first full GT of a gen get huge sales and there's less interest in a second release, but that's really not what you're proposing. Seems like GT5 has a very good chance to outsell Halo Reach.

And how can you possibly conclude that Halo outsells GT?

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

Just out of curiosity, what pattern are you seeing?

asylumni

Amount of units sold per game, even amount of units sold per series per generation. Taking user base into account, Halo still outsells GT. There's no reason to think that this won't hold true for GT5 and Reach.

Ok, in lieu of better, vgchartz has this

GT1 10.85m

GT2 9.37m

GT3 14.89m

GT4 10.54m

Halo1 6.43m

Halo2 8.43m

Halo3 11.03m

ODST 5.30m

Breakdown by gen.

PS1 20.22m

PS2 25.43m

Xbox 14.86m

360 16.33m

So what pattern is there? It could, perhaps be argued that the first full GT of a gen get huge sales and there's less interest in a second release, but that's really not what you're proposing. Seems like GT5 has a very good chance to outsell Halo Reach.

And how can you possibly conclude that Halo outsells GT?

Forget the fact that we're somehow excluding the PS3 and GT5P which is available a lower price.

There is no doubt that the GT franchise has outsold Halo as a whole. But we're trying to come up with a predictive model which means we have to weight the figures to account for userbase. That would be a more apples to apples comparison.

With PS2 as well over 100mil units and the 360 at 40 mil units. Even if we bump 360 up to 50 mil units and keep PS2 down at 100, the ratio is still in favor of Halo outselling GT.

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BP SHOULD be responsible and clean up their own mess quickly and conveniently.

Criminals SHOULD do the right thing and obey the laws of decent society.

Candy and Peppermint Drops SHOULD fall out of the Sky onto the Startled Humanity.

all of these things, Including GT5 Outselling HALO REACH ''SHOULD happen.

But they Wont.

you can return to this in december and Quote me on it.

Think about it.

Halo Reach is basically an American game, with 11.83 million copies of Halo 3 and ODST being sold in America, with the 200 k in Japan and 4.31 in Europe. http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=halo%203

Gran Turismo, as a series is pretty evenly split, with 19 million sold in America, and 24 million sold in Europe.

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=gran+turismo&publisher=&console=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

(Yes I know a lot of the games are from last gen, but even this gen's games, like Prologue and Turismo PSP, have the same kind of stats.)

So what do you guys think?

Easyle

GT5 total w/w sales should be roughly 1/4 what they were on the PS2...67gt500

GT5 Prologue sold more than FM3.

GT4 sold 10 million.

GT5 Prologue sold 5 million.

That's already 1/2.

Thing is the 360 has no games, so everyone who owns a 360 is going to be looking at Reach, the PS3 on the other hand has so many high quality games that the sales are more spread out between games. SO I don't know Reach might win cause of the lack of 360 games.TehNubTuber

GT5 total w/w sales should be roughly 1/4 what they were on the PS2...67gt500

GT5 total w/w sales should be roughly 1/4 what they were on the PS2...67gt500

GT5 Prologue sold more than FM3.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Amount of units sold per game, even amount of units sold per series per generation. Taking user base into account, Halo still outsells GT. There's no reason to think that this won't hold true for GT5 and Reach.

VoodooHak

Ok, in lieu of better, vgchartz has this

GT1 10.85m

GT2 9.37m

GT3 14.89m

GT4 10.54m

Halo1 6.43m

Halo2 8.43m

Halo3 11.03m

ODST 5.30m

Breakdown by gen.

PS1 20.22m

PS2 25.43m

Xbox 14.86m

360 16.33m

So what pattern is there? It could, perhaps be argued that the first full GT of a gen get huge sales and there's less interest in a second release, but that's really not what you're proposing. Seems like GT5 has a very good chance to outsell Halo Reach.

And how can you possibly conclude that Halo outsells GT?

Forget the fact that we're somehow excluding the PS3 and GT5P which is available a lower price.

There is no doubt that the GT franchise has outsold Halo as a whole. But we're trying to come up with a predictive model which means we have to weight the figures to account for userbase. That would be a more apples to apples comparison.

With PS2 as well over 100mil units and the 360 at 40 mil units. Even if we bump 360 up to 50 mil units and keep PS2 down at 100, the ratio is still in favor of Halo outselling GT.

So we just ignore the fact that GT5: P is not by any means a full release, has a fraction of the content of a full release and was generally hammered by reviews for this? Should we also consider sales of Halo Wars then?

Attempting to draw conclusions based on total user-base is useless unless you know the make-up of said user-base. If it was a simple percentage, GT4 would've sold more than GT3, but it didn't. This is enough to ruin your percentage theory. Additionally, the chances are higher that a PS3 owner was a PS2 owner than not, but there's really no way to tell how many were the ones who bought GT3, GT4, both or none. Then there's the fans that are still waiting for a full GT release, of unknowable quantity, that still don't own a PS3.

Here's a predictive model for you. GT has sold over 10 million for 3 out of the 4 main titles and Halo is 1 for 4. Therefore, GT5 has a good chance to outsell Halo: Reach.

With an install base of only about 30-40 million, I highly doubt the GT sales will be as strong as they were for the past titles. Both the PS and PS2 had large user bases, and it took quite a while for Prologue to even reach 4 million.

With an install base of only about 30-40 million, I highly doubt the GT sales will be as strong as they were for the past titles. Both the PS and PS2 had large user bases, and it took quite a while for Prologue to even reach 4 million.

foxhound_fox

Why? GT3 released to a user-base of between 6-16million PS2's and sold over 14 million. And if it was as simple as taking a percent of the installed base of the console, GT4 would've sold more than GT3, but it didn't.

With an install base of only about 30-40 million, I highly doubt the GT sales will be as strong as they were for the past titles. Both the PS and PS2 had large user bases, and it took quite a while for Prologue to even reach 4 million.

foxhound_fox

So we just ignore the fact that GT5: P is not by any means a full release, has a fraction of the content of a full release and was generally hammered by reviews for this? Should we also consider sales of Halo Wars then?asylumni

Why? GT3 released to a user-base of between 6-16million PS2's and sold over 14 million. And if it was as simple as taking a percent of the installed base of the console, GT4 would've sold more than GT3, but it didn't.asylumni

So we just ignore the fact that GT5: P is not by any means a full release, has a fraction of the content of a full release and was generally hammered by reviews for this?

asylumni

not to jump in your disscussion, but you have just described Halo: ODST

ODST is more comparable in this sense. Halo Wars was by a different developer an in a genre that the halo series isn't known for. Like Prologue ODST had a fraction of the content of a full release yet still managed to sell roughly two million more copies than Prologue.vashkey

[QUOTE="vashkey"] ODST is more comparable in this sense. Halo Wars was by a different developer an in a genre that the halo series isn't known for. Like Prologue ODST had a fraction of the content of a full release yet still managed to sell roughly two million more copies than Prologue.IronBass

according to VG chartz:

Halo ODST: 5.3 million

GT 5 prologue: 3.76 million

[QUOTE="vashkey"] ODST is more comparable in this sense. Halo Wars was by a different developer an in a genre that the halo series isn't known for. Like Prologue ODST had a fraction of the content of a full release yet still managed to sell roughly two million more copies than Prologue.IronBass

Why does it matter?

Why does it matter?

TheMightyHoov

It's very difficult to predict which one is gonna sell more. Halo 3 sold more than 10M with the userbase being smaller, so Reach should in theory sell at least as much. There hasn't been an official GT this gen (GT5P could be an indiciative, but there were many things that hindered its sales, kinda like ODST), so we have to go by last gen sales. The problem is, the PS3 does not have neither the userbase nor the software sales of the PS2. Conclusion? It could, but it could not. Annoyingly obvious conclusion? Yup.IronBass

What he said.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]according to VG chartz: Halo ODST: 5.3 million GT 5 prologue: 3.76 millionIronBass

well...acording to eurogamer ODST sold 2.5 million in it's first two weeks

can't find any reliable source on Gt though

while it will be very closei thnk reach will win in the end

Polyphony Digital's own site might tell us more about Gran Turismo 5 Prologue's sales...

Just to point out how innacurate VGChartz is, GT5P has sold 4,840M units.

Thanks for the tip, Mr. Sherlock Flop.