Graphics don't matter, ey?

Lot's of people, many of them Wii folk, go beyond "Gameplay is better than graphics!" all the way to"Graphics don't matter!" Would anyone be happy if every game looked like this?

If the next Halo, Mario and Uncharted look like a dull grey slop?

no. but if fallout 3 had been set in a world of primary colours and pastel shades its would not of had the same mood. its ok to have a dull gray hill if dull gray hills are part of the envorinment

Yeah but visuals do matter. It's just that the quality of the visuals are not as important as the gameplay.

Graphics do matter, they can immerse you in the game more.

But there are just too many topics in SW focusing just on graphics or processing power, why care about the details. And you don't always need lots of processing power to make a marvelous game for example the Wind Waker or Okami come to mind.

Your confusing graphics with art style. Gritty, dirty, grey, and brown environments aren't graphics, that's art style.

Good visuals are simply an icing on the cake of a good game. Sure, the games with one of the best graphics dont neccessarily mean its a masterpiece(FFXIII for e.g.), but great PS3/360 games nowadays are often accompained with generally solid visuals anyways, and visuals do alot to bring out the atmosphere for any game, which is always a major plus in my book.

No one wants endless grey for every gamelocopatho

That isn't graphics. That's art style.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]No one wants endless grey for every gamePhoenix534

That isn't graphics. That's art style.

My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"]My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.dog_dirt

So visuals are important of course. But you have to factor in everything. You can't just "graphics don't matter".. and you can't say "graphics are very important" either. It depends on a lot of things. The genre of the game first and for most.

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="locopatho"]My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

So visuals are important of course. But you have to factor in everything. You can't just "graphics don't matter".. and you can't say "graphics are very important" either. It depends on a lot of things. The genre of the game first and for most.

Solar-X

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="dog_dirt"] of course nobody wants every game to be endless gray. but not every game should be primary colours either. dog_dirt

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So visuals are important of course. But you have to factor in everything. You can't just "graphics don't matter".. and you can't say "graphics are very important" either. It depends on a lot of things. The genre of the game first and for most.

locopatho

So visuals are important of course. But you have to factor in everything. You can't just "graphics don't matter".. and you can't say "graphics are very important" either. It depends on a lot of things. The genre of the game first and for most.

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why are you exadgerating? No one says Graphics don't matter completely what they say including me.

GRAPHICS do not matter in the context of bad gameplay and story, A game is not good If its gameplay and story fail these are nearly 90% of the equation who cares how the story is told If its 5 lines of someone saying poop over and over, Or that to hear that story being told you have to put on a big funnel over your ear to hear it *gameplay*

Gameplay, and story should be the foremost graphics a distance 2nd or 3rd with sound and such.
Graphics DO NOT matter when it comes to story and gameplay, A good gameplay and story game can have 2d graphics and still capture my interest.

Puzzle games also. there's no need for fancy graphics in a puzzle game. They don't really improe the gameplay at all. Platformers. I will say I can only think of one really good 3d platformer and that's Super mario 64. A lot of the best platformers over the last few years have been 2d. Braid and Shadow Complex for example. I don't think 3d improved visuals would benefit those games at all.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]No one wants endless grey for every gamePhoenix534

That isn't graphics. That's art style.

[QUOTE="Solar-X"][QUOTE="locopatho"] They are pretty much important for every game. I can't think of a single game out at the moment that would be as appealing with stick figure graphics...locopatho

WOW rocks...they look so real? I really could care less how the sky looks and how rocks look and how the individualleaves on a tree look. Am i really supposed to be impressed with rocks, or shine on a helmet? or blood splatter for that matter. Don't get me wrong, i like nice graphics and i want nice graphics but on the list of things important to me for a game, nice rocksarelow. I do like a little fan service though. Course this is from a guy who owns a will and a PSP so yeah you can tell graphics don't matter to me that much...

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Solar-X"] Ok now you're going extreme with stick figures. And I can think of plenty of games which play better with less technology advanced graphics. I already stated Street fighter 3 and SF4 for comparison. But you can take the whole genre as a whole of 2d fighting games. They play better when done in proper 2d sprites than 3d polygons.Solar-X

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why are you exadgerating? No one says Graphics don't matter completely what they say including me.

GRAPHICS do not matter in the context of bad gameplay and story, A game is not good If its gameplay and story fail these are nearly 90% of the equation who cares how the story is told If its 5 lines of someone saying poop over and over, Or that to hear that story being told you have to put on a big funnel over your ear to hear it *gameplay*

Gameplay, and story should be the foremost graphics a distance 2nd or 3rd with sound and such.
Graphics DO NOT matter when it comes to story and gameplay, A good gameplay and story game can have 2d graphics and still capture my interest.

WilliamRLBaker

The only people that really say that are mostly sheep, they only started banging that drum to defend the Wii this gen. Nintendo hardware has always had pounding visuals before. They forget Starfox 2 was cancelled on the SNES because they didn't want to be out-done by the PS1 and Saturn. The N64 was marketed as the ''fastest, most powerful console in the world'' & ''more powerful than the computer that sent man to the moon'' (sounds like Sony and the Cell this gen doesn't it?).

I've also lost count of the times they say graphics don't matter, but will be the first to flip-flop and challenge anyone saying its just a Gamecube+ on the eye candy. Last gen a lot of sheep always said the Gamecube version of RE4 was superior due to graphics alone and who can't agree? One of its major triumphs was how well the atmosphere engulfed the player and how scarily realistic the enemies looked. MP Echoes was often used against Halo 2 on graphics also.

However, processing capability shouldn't be overlooked. Killzone 2's biggest improvement has been the eye popping graphics and thats fine, its an incredibly intense experience because of it that couldn't be done last-gen. So taking Fallout 3 into account, it looks really muddy and kinda ugly, but the sheer open scale provided by RAM and proccessing power makes exploring the world so deep and rewarding.

Mass Effect 2 has substantially better gameplay than the original, they had more time to focus on it once the first one was out the door. Does that mean they shouldn't have focused on graphics, character animation and story in the first one? Hell No, thats what built the foundations of a great new IP that delivers an epic experience on all fronts now.

A bad game is a bad game regardless of graphics, handhelds are a different story.

My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

Graphics do matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thing is, are graphics important enough to be the only thing noteworthy about the game?Willy105

Crysis scored a 9.5 here and got AAA in many other places.... what do you think?

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why are you exadgerating? No one says Graphics don't matter completely what they say including me.

GRAPHICS do not matter in the context of bad gameplay and story, A game is not good If its gameplay and story fail these are nearly 90% of the equation who cares how the story is told If its 5 lines of someone saying poop over and over, Or that to hear that story being told you have to put on a big funnel over your ear to hear it *gameplay*

Gameplay, and story should be the foremost graphics a distance 2nd or 3rd with sound and such.
Graphics DO NOT matter when it comes to story and gameplay, A good gameplay and story game can have 2d graphics and still capture my interest.

locopatho

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Graphics do matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thing is, are graphics important enough to be the only thing noteworthy about the game?moistsandwich

Crysis scored a 9.5 here and got AAA in many other places.... what do you think?

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Graphics do matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thing is, are graphics important enough to be the only thing noteworthy about the game?moistsandwich

Crysis scored a 9.5 here and got AAA in many other places.... what do you think?

Graphics matter, but they don't mean too much if the game isn't fun to play and the if it doesn't have good game mechanics which is why Gameplay>Graphics

Art direction is much more important than graphics. Which is why a game like Cave Story can be better than half the games to come out this gen.

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why are you exadgerating? No one says Graphics don't matter completely what they say including me.

GRAPHICS do not matter in the context of bad gameplay and story, A game is not good If its gameplay and story fail these are nearly 90% of the equation who cares how the story is told If its 5 lines of someone saying poop over and over, Or that to hear that story being told you have to put on a big funnel over your ear to hear it *gameplay*

Gameplay, and story should be the foremost graphics a distance 2nd or 3rd with sound and such.
Graphics DO NOT matter when it comes to story and gameplay, A good gameplay and story game can have 2d graphics and still capture my interest.

WilliamRLBaker

Graphics have always mattered. The more believable the world looks, the more you are able to get into it. The greater the effect the stuff on screen has on you. And that being said, people often say "If a game has amazing graphics and bad gameplay its still a bad game". This is true. However, how many games like that can you honestly think of? Take Crysis and Uncharted 2 for example. Best looking game overall and best looking console game. Yet both were excellent games even without their graphics. Skittles_McGee

lol, the color palate used has nothing to do with how good the graphical quality is.

They mater a bunch but what maters to me the most is the games that deliver the Complete package and those are the gems. :D

lol, the color palate used has nothing to do with how good the graphical quality is.

lespaul1919

If, for some crazy reason, you're lumping graphics and art style together...then yes, graphics matter. But lumping the two together is inherently a bad idea. A game can have great technical graphics and a horrible art style (Killzone 2), or vice versa (let's say, for the sake of argument...Valkyria Chronicles). It's only in a couple very rare instances (think Crysis) that the art style relies on the good technical graphics. Most of the time, an art style can be fully realized regardless of how technically impressive the graphics shall be.jalexbrown

Is it safe to say that for the majority of people that own a console that graphics are not as important as other factors considering that the wiiis by far the most bought console this gen. That is assuming that most people that bought a will didn't buy another systems to have access to higher quality graphics.

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[QUOTE="Willy105"]Graphics do matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thing is, are graphics important enough to be the only thing noteworthy about the game?Skittles_McGee

Crysis scored a 9.5 here and got AAA in many other places.... what do you think?

You think wrong...

Crysis is a very beautiful game, with good controls and mediocre to poor everything else... If thats excellence to you, then I guess I understand why you gave Demon's SOuls a 9.5. :lol:

I wouldn't care if every game was of that caliber graphics, no. People who favor graphics above anything else don't play video games, if you know what I mean.