Graphics don't matter, ey?

For me graphics always were and will be 50% of the whole game. Even if the game is fun but have garbage graphics i'll enjoy it waaaaaay less but if it has both = kickass and thats why i have ps360.silversix_

So every game on the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Genesis, Dreamcast, and Gamecube must really suck for you then, amiright?

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]If, for some crazy reason, you're lumping graphics and art style together...then yes, graphics matter. But lumping the two together is inherently a bad idea. A game can have great technical graphics and a horrible art style (Killzone 2), or vice versa (let's say, for the sake of argument...Valkyria Chronicles). It's only in a couple very rare instances (think Crysis) that the art style relies on the good technical graphics. Most of the time, an art style can be fully realized regardless of how technically impressive the graphics shall be.locopatho

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Crysis scored a 9.5 here and got AAA in many other places.... what do you think?

moistsandwich

You think wrong...

Crysis is a very beautiful game, with good controls and mediocre to poor everything else... If thats excellence to you, then I guess I understand why you gave Demon's SOuls a 9.5. :lol:

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"]If, for some crazy reason, you're lumping graphics and art style together...then yes, graphics matter. But lumping the two together is inherently a bad idea. A game can have great technical graphics and a horrible art style (Killzone 2), or vice versa (let's say, for the sake of argument...Valkyria Chronicles). It's only in a couple very rare instances (think Crysis) that the art style relies on the good technical graphics. Most of the time, an art style can be fully realized regardless of how technically impressive the graphics shall be.jalexbrown

[QUOTE="silversix_"]For me graphics always were and will be 50% of the whole game. Even if the game is fun but have garbage graphics i'll enjoy it waaaaaay less but if it has both = kickass and thats why i have ps360.wintermute0

So every game on the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Genesis, Dreamcast, and Gamecube must really suck for you then, amiright?

washes and character design ie realistic vs cartoon...that is art style dude! just bease you can "see it" and call it graphics doesn't made it so. And to frame this topic using your wrong def. of graphics makes this topic FAIL

Graphics don't matter, people just blow their importance out of proportion. Many games don't need cutting-edge visuals to provide a fun gamingexperience. Look at Katamari, it's a fun series that has a place in a lot of gamer's hearts. Definitely not anystellar visuals there.

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[QUOTE="silversix_"]For me graphics always were and will be 50% of the whole game. Even if the game is fun but have garbage graphics i'll enjoy it waaaaaay less but if it has both = kickass and thats why i have ps360.Skittles_McGee

So every game on the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Genesis, Dreamcast, and Gamecube must really suck for you then, amiright?

That's not really what we're talking about. I wouldn't like them any less because of their poor graphics in comparison with Ps3 graphics. Gameplay mechanics are what I look at, not graphics.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] I just consider graphics to = how good the game looks. As, in everything I SEE in the game. Crysis looks good in a realistic way, Windwaker looks good in a cartooney way. But both are amazing. locopatho

washes and character design ie realistic vs cartoon...that is art style dude! just bease you can "see it" and call it graphics doesn't made it so. And to frame this topic using your wrong def. of graphics makes this topic FAIL

PA_DUTCH

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Fallout 3 still looks better than any Wii game to date. Is that what you're suggesting - that it doesn't?jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

So every game on the NES, SNES, N64, PS1, Genesis, Dreamcast, and Gamecube must really suck for you then, amiright?

wintermute0

That's not really what we're talking about. I wouldn't like them any less because of their poor graphics in comparison with Ps3 graphics. Gameplay mechanics are what I look at, not graphics.

Fallout 3 is a lot more graphically impressive than anything on the Wii tho

i think the point of the matter is you don't play graphics, you play the game, praising graphics over gameplay is like praising how your food is arranged on a plate over how satisfied you were with the actual dish

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Nope. I'm suggesting it's graphics are intentionly grey, dark, dreary and depressing. And that many games would be ruined by having such graphics, Mario Galaxy, Halo 3, and Uncharted 2 to name a few. Thus proving that graphics do indeed matter :Dlocopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Well, they could always do a palette swap: make the rocks pink, the ground turquoise, the sky purple, and all the fog neon-green.jalexbrown

[QUOTE="PA_DUTCH"]

washes and character design ie realistic vs cartoon...that is art style dude! just bease you can "see it" and call it graphics doesn't made it so. And to frame this topic using your wrong def. of graphics makes this topic FAIL

locopatho

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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] If you play them now, will they be worse to you than when you played them when they came out? Of course they will. You know that aspects of that kind of game can be better now, so you're used to that.Skittles_McGee

That's not really what we're talking about. I wouldn't like them any less because of their poor graphics in comparison with Ps3 graphics. Gameplay mechanics are what I look at, not graphics.

Graphics are cool. I don't hate on graphics. I just think that gameplay > graphics. I like good graphics, who doesn't? They just don't mean the world to me. I honestly still love most of my favorite SNES games, more so than I love newer games. If the graphics are bearable, then I'm fine. Also, graphics are part of the package in your opinion, in my opinion they are a very very tiny part of the package. When I go see a movie like Transformers, that's when I look at graphics...

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Yes and that'd ruin Fallout 3's atmosphere wouldn't it?locopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Throw in Mario and some golden blocks? *Goes off to write Nintendo*jalexbrown

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

That's not really what we're talking about. I wouldn't like them any less because of their poor graphics in comparison with Ps3 graphics. Gameplay mechanics are what I look at, not graphics.

wintermute0

Graphics are cool. I don't hate on graphics. I just think that gameplay > graphics. I like good graphics, who doesn't? They just don't mean the world to me. I honestly still love most of my favorite SNES games, more so than I love newer games. If the graphics are bearable, then I'm fine. Also, graphics are part of the package in your opinion, in my opinion they are a very very tiny part of the package. When I go see a movie like Transformers, that's when I look at graphics...

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Haha what? Maybe you misunderstand me :Plocopatho

Lot's of people, many of them Wii folk, go beyond "Gameplay is better than graphics!" all the way to"Graphics don't matter!" Would anyone be happy if every game looked like this?

If the next Halo, Mario and Uncharted look like a dull grey slop?

locopatho

BULLSHOT!

:lol:

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] No, at this point I'm pretty much just being stupid and contributing nothing productive to the thread. :Pjalexbrown

[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Why not look at the whole package? Graphics are a part of the package. Developers don't work on them for nothing. Why would you only appreciate some of a game and not all of it?Skittles_McGee

Graphics are cool. I don't hate on graphics. I just think that gameplay > graphics. I like good graphics, who doesn't? They just don't mean the world to me. I honestly still love most of my favorite SNES games, more so than I love newer games. If the graphics are bearable, then I'm fine. Also, graphics are part of the package in your opinion, in my opinion they are a very very tiny part of the package. When I go see a movie like Transformers, that's when I look at graphics...

Your opinion is completely formed by personal experience, obviously... that does not apply to everyone. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that most games for the SNES have more substance than Ps3 games.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] No, at this point I'm pretty much just being stupid and contributing nothing productive to the thread. :Pjalexbrown

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="wintermute0"]

Graphics are cool. I don't hate on graphics. I just think that gameplay > graphics. I like good graphics, who doesn't? They just don't mean the world to me. I honestly still love most of my favorite SNES games, more so than I love newer games. If the graphics are bearable, then I'm fine. Also, graphics are part of the package in your opinion, in my opinion they are a very very tiny part of the package. When I go see a movie like Transformers, that's when I look at graphics...

wintermute0

Your opinion is completely formed by personal experience, obviously... that does not apply to everyone. I'm also going to go out on a limb here and say that most games for the SNES have more substance than Ps3 games.

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Ah wonderful :) Please continue, let's stick some Pinatas in there too :Dlocopatho

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="jalexbrown"] Maybe Mario could have a machine gun...you know, for "teh mature gamerz!!1!!!111!".jalexbrown

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"][QUOTE="locopatho"] And Yoshi could be a super realistic high def T Rex. Quickly, to Nintendo, we have games to create!locopatho

Visuals do matter to an extent. If Gears of War, Uncharted 2, or Crysis, all had average or below graphics I doubt they would score as high. Still AAA material, but not the 9.5 they all got.

What you posted has good graphics.... It has a dull art style. I'm sure Mario using Cryteks engine would look a million times better.

Graphics do matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Thing is, are graphics important enough to be the only thing noteworthy about the game?Willy105

I don't think many people would argue that they are.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

:roll:

why are you exadgerating? No one says Graphics don't matter completely what they say including me.

GRAPHICS do not matter in the context of bad gameplay and story, A game is not good If its gameplay and story fail these are nearly 90% of the equation who cares how the story is told If its 5 lines of someone saying poop over and over, Or that to hear that story being told you have to put on a big funnel over your ear to hear it *gameplay*

Gameplay, and story should be the foremost graphics a distance 2nd or 3rd with sound and such.
Graphics DO NOT matter when it comes to story and gameplay, A good gameplay and story game can have 2d graphics and still capture my interest.

WilliamRLBaker

Obviously they didn't mean it literally, but it has been said.

Visuals do matter to an extent. If Gears of War, Uncharted 2, or Crysis, all had average or below graphics I doubt they would score as high. Still AAA material, but not the 9.5 they all got.

brickdoctor

that's why i love to take breaks from those kind of games and play games like Metroid Prime, games that would be great if they had Crysis-level graphics and still be great if they had 8-bit graphics

those kind of games are special imo

Who exactly are you arguing with though? because I haven't seen anybody say graphics don't matter in years, just that graphics aren't all that matters.

Also FO3 is a really impressive game visually so I don't think you should be using it as an example of a negative. Sometimes its safe to say too many colours = garish.

Lot's of people, many of them Wii folk, go beyond "Gameplay is better than graphics!" all the way to"Graphics don't matter!" Would anyone be happy if every game looked like this?

If the next Halo, Mario and Uncharted look like a dull grey slop?

locopatho

I would take that over every game looking like this:

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Lot's of people, many of them Wii folk, go beyond "Gameplay is better than graphics!" all the way to"Graphics don't matter!" Would anyone be happy if every game looked like this?

If the next Halo, Mario and Uncharted look like a dull grey slop?

PublicNuisance

I would take that over every game looking like this:

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol:

Graphics do matter. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Gameplay and graphics go hand-in-hand. You can't have one without the other.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] I think that means its an excellent game. I know, crazy right :shock:Skittles_McGee

You think wrong...

Crysis is a very beautiful game, with good controls and mediocre to poor everything else... If thats excellence to you, then I guess I understand why you gave Demon's SOuls a 9.5. :lol:

Wait? are you trying to pass off your opinions and some others' as fact?

And everyone rating the game highly even when it doesnt deserve it, has nothing to do with "conspiracy"... it has to do with being human.

Oh wait... no one has ever looked at another human being and thought they were better than they actually are because of their looks... right?

Graphics matter more in terms of artistry than technical merrit. But even then, they don't matter too much. Gameplay and sound are far more important

Graphics do matter. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Gameplay and graphics go hand-in-hand. You can't have one without the other.

Shad0ki11

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

Lot's of people, many of them Wii folk, go beyond "Gameplay is better than graphics!" all the way to"Graphics don't matter!" Would anyone be happy if every game looked like this?

If the next Halo, Mario and Uncharted look like a dull grey slop?

jalexbrown

I would take that over every game looking like this:

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol: