Graphics don't matter, ey?

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#101 smashed_pinata
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My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

Those people are wrong. Humans are a visual species, we can't escape the fact that visual appeal is one of our biggest weaknesses. It's in our DNA.

Also, there are FAR MORE people who say " This game sucks, just look at it's graphics?"

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#102 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I love the artstye of Fallout 3. So it wouldn't matter to me. Do you want Post Apocalyptic environment to look like a lush green environment with people running through grass singing with rainbows in the sky? :|
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#103 clone01
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fallout 3's color palette is appropriate, i think. after all, its a world devastated by nuclear apocalypse. rachet and clank, banjo, mario should have a bright color palette. it fits the mood. but i don't really think that's a graphics issue specifically.

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#104 Sword-Demon
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graphics do matter, but they are the least important of the 3 main components of a game

Gameplay > Story >>>>>>>>>> Graphics

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#105 jalexbrown
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[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

I would take that over every game looking like this:

SaltyMeatballs

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol:

That was N64 Virtual Console :|

Was it? Well, I don't know. I just checked out the picture properties, and saw Far Cry Vengeance.

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#106 Nerkcon
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That was N64 Virtual Console :|SaltyMeatballs
Really, which N64 game? Goldeneye? Gamespot says it's a Wii game: http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/farcry/images/0/25/?tag=thumbs_below%3Bthumb;25
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#107 ChaltierX
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That screenshot looks good to me.

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#108 mariokart64fan
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well your taking it to far, there has already been games that look like that on the n64 ,and those games sold very well ,

not as well as playstation which obviously couldnt match it but still

goldeneye go look at that game your self

zelda also does , so ya um do some research

and the fact that just dance is the top selling wii third party title proves my point or guitar hero /rockband on 360 ps3

nothing is beatuiful about that game is there,

its just a bunch of colors on screen the n64 can produce that

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#109 Bigboi500
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When games cut out good content just to make a game look better, like GTAIV, then it becomes a problem. Graphics are not more important than great content in games, if "gamers" think otherwise then they should just watch movies instead of playing games.

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#110 Mario1331
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My point is, more than once I have seen people say "Graphics don't matter", when they clearly do. No one wants endless grey for every game, therefore graphics do matter, and matter hugely to be honest.locopatho

matter just not as much as gameplay because graphics can be kik ass but if the game sucks i want my money back:(

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#111 djsifer01
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I always say graphics are the least important, i was wrong. They are very important, why? Because it makes me much more immersed in the game. Still, gameplay and story are more important IMO.
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#112 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol:

jalexbrown

That was N64 Virtual Console :|

Was it? Well, I don't know. I just checked out the picture properties, and saw Far Cry Vengeance.

Yep its Vengeance for the Wii. The graphics actually got a lot worse than that at times. Its absolutely disgusting in motion too.

I got the game when I was a sheep and slammed it. Fellow sheep said I couldn't bash a game without finishing it and that its the gameplay that matters. So I finished it, traded it in the next day.

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#113 flashn00b
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Well, depends on what you mean by how graphics matter.

Seeing that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are quite powerful, high resolution textures, normal mapping, post-processing, and physics engines sum up their standards.

However, since the wii isn't as powerful, the visual talents would have to depend more on the art direction.

As for the PC, there's a large amount of configuration options, depending on one's budget. I doubt that there are really any standards. While one developer might go for a game that can be played on a netbook, few other developers might try to develop a game for the most recent GPUs, rendering console versions an impossiblity, at the cost of making the games accessable for those who have systems that are a or two older.

But one thing that bothers me when it comes to PC gaming are titles that are visually identical to the console counterparts, and yet have higher requirements than games released two years ago. Are developers becoming lazier with optimization?

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#114 BPoole96
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I wouldn't mind if every game looked like that. Fallout 3 was great :)

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#115 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol:

jalexbrown

That was N64 Virtual Console :|

Was it? Well, I don't know. I just checked out the picture properties, and saw Far Cry Vengeance.

No, That is what Far Cry wii looks like. No N64 Virtual Console game. It is an actual wii game.

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#116 Nuclear_Cat
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What's wrong with Fallout 3's graphics? From a technical standpoint it's not the best but the design itself is awesome. The color palette suited the game. How realistic would it be if nuclear bombs fells from the sky and created a lush forest in the aftermath.
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#117 Captain_SOAP_
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how dare you talk about fallout 3 like that even though the graphics are not the best its an awesome game:D

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#118 ChiChiMonKilla
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Who said graphics don't matter this is far cry on the wii lol it got a 5.5 but on pc same game got a 9.2 back in like 2004

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#119 iamdanthaman
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The next Halo does look like that.
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#120 Bigboi500
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Yep its Vengeance for the Wii. The graphics actually got a lot worse than that at times. Its absolutely disgusting in motion too.

I got the game when I was a sheep and slammed it. Fellow sheep said I couldn't bash a game without finishing it and that its the gameplay that matters. So I finished it, traded it in the next day.

tomarlyn

Yep, I rented the game and tried it too. Absolute garbage game all around.

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#121 bigblunt537
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="jalexbrown"]

Wow...is that actually what Far Cry looked like on the Wii? That's...laughable. :lol::lol::lol:

jalexbrown

That was N64 Virtual Console :|

Was it? Well, I don't know. I just checked out the picture properties, and saw Far Cry Vengeance.

It's a lot worst in person. I unfortunately purchased it...

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#122 glez13
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Who said graphics don't matter this is far cry on the wii lol it got a 5.5 but on pc same game got a 9.2 back in like 2004

ChiChiMonKilla

I agree in the part that graphics do matter. But the part about the score I'm sure it's unrelated. Farcry: Vengance(?) on the Wii was just a crappy, outdated(not even referring graphically), buggy game.

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#123 mrfokken
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[QUOTE="Solar-X"]

So visuals are important of course. But you have to factor in everything. You can't just "graphics don't matter".. and you can't say "graphics are very important" either. It depends on a lot of things. The genre of the game first and for most.

locopatho

They are pretty much important for every game. I can't think of a single game out at the moment that would be as appealing with stick figure graphics...

Certainly not.

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#124 Sky-
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Artstyle is a part of the graphics. The distinction between the two is unnecessary.

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#125 Willy105
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Certainly not.

mrfokken

Those are good graphics, you know.

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#126 ActicEdge
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Whoever the hell tells you graphics don't matter is wrong. They do. But I don't care about how technically impressive a game is, I care about its eye pleasing nature. That's why I like Windwaker more than Gears and SMG more than Resistance 2 graphically. If I'm a fool for that, so be it.

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#127 Vivacioussoul
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Hahaha :) dull grey slop made me laugh....

I'm easily entertained... hahaha he said dull grey slop...

*goes to play with sparkly stuffs*

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#128 felipebo
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Technical graphics are different from artistic style. Games like Muramasa prove they don't need new "HD" stuff to have great, timeless graphics.

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#129 Shad0ki11
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Graphics do matter. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

Gameplay and graphics go hand-in-hand. You can't have one without the other.

BuryMe

Sure you can. Graphics can very easily exist without gameplay.

Yes. It's called an animated film, but animated films aren't videogames.

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#130 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Who said graphics don't matter this is far cry on the wii lol it got a 5.5 but on pc same game got a 9.2 back in like 2004

ChiChiMonKilla

far cry vengeance =/= far cry

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#131 locopatho
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I love the artstye of Fallout 3. So it wouldn't matter to me. Do you want Post Apocalyptic environment to look like a lush green environment with people running through grass singing with rainbows in the sky? :| Stevo_the_gamer
You missed the point, Fallout 3 looks grand!
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#132 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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There are two dimensions to this that System Wars fanboys should make itr a priority to understand, as soon as possible: 1) Graphics have two aspects- the technical and the artistic. EVERY game needs to look pleasing artistically to be aesthetically and visually pleasing on some level. There needs to be a certain level of technical proefficiency to graphics too. Having Odyssey level graphics today just wouldn't work. 2) Graphics matter to a game. Yes, they do, and anyone who claims otherwise is lying. BUT, graphics by by themselves are not an indicator of a game's quality. If a game has a passable level of graphics (on both the above cited counts), BUT it has a deeply compelling and engaging gameplay system, would the graphics matter? TO a GAMER, no. The issue most Wii fanboys, myself included, take to System Wars' obsession with graphics is how it has genuinely begun to believe that graphics are the be all and end all of gaming- that graphics are all that matters to gaming.
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#133 PAL360
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Graphics do matter alot. Still not as much as gameplay

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#134 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="flashn00b"]

Well, depends on what you mean by how graphics matter.

Seeing that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are quite powerful, high resolution textures, normal mapping, post-processing, and physics engines sum up their standards.

However, since the wii isn't as powerful, the visual talents would have to depend more on the art direction.

As for the PC, there's a large amount of configuration options, depending on one's budget. I doubt that there are really any standards. While one developer might go for a game that can be played on a netbook, few other developers might try to develop a game for the most recent GPUs, rendering console versions an impossiblity, at the cost of making the games accessable for those who have systems that are a or two older.

But one thing that bothers me when it comes to PC gaming are titles that are visually identical to the console counterparts, and yet have higher requirements than games released two years ago. Are developers becoming lazier with optimization?

Run it in 1280x720p and set details to HD console levels. Metro 2033 PC uses 2048x2048 textures while Xbox 360 uses 1024x1024 textures.