Graphics War!!! Halo 3 (Xbox360) versus Killzone 2 (PS3)

[QUOTE="deathmasterk"]

really, who cares? they both look awesome. i guess the gameplay and story will tell the tale.

Delongman

ummmmm...KILLZONE!!!!!

[QUOTE="James567"]

Firstly i own a Xbox 360 so enough of the lame cow thing.

$40 million is a massive buget for a videogame wasnt gears of war 10 million? And cant really compare film bugets to game bugets

FrozenLiquid

And you also never quoted the Dutch film. So I didn't call you a cow.

Gears was $10 mil. They didn't quote the UE 3.0 costs.

Shenmue, the second most expensive game of all time, is $70,000,000. Too Human is beyond that.

How long has Killzone 2 been in development?

That is true about the UE 3.0. that would up costs alot. However 40 million is still a massive buget althrough i did not know how it ranked against other big buget games but indeed interesting to here aboutShenmue costs.

I dont know how long killzone been in development for but i could make an educated guess. The trailer was realeased 2 years ago and killzone 1 was realeased in 2004 i think. As far as i am aware gurellia hasnt worked on any other projects except killzone liberation i assume they were working with both at the same time. So assuming they started as soon as they finished killzone 1 then i suppose there getting close to 3 years now.

Anyway we re getting away from my orginal point in that someone made the foolish point that sony were gonna let killzone 2 go the way of killzone 1. whilethis could happen it does seem that sony and gurellia are trying there best for this not to happen

Judging from the screen shots, it looks like Killzone 2's graphics have more grit to them (like Gears), while Halo 3's have more polish and color. Completely different visual styles.

Halo 3 supposedly runs at a steady 60 fps though. That's something you can't see in screen shots. Bungie could have made the game run at 30 fps - it would have enabled them to add even MORE detail, effects, and polygons shown on screen. But I think for a game like Halo 3, 60 fps is important to have.

We won't know what Killzone 2 runs at until shortly before its release.

That is true about the UE 3.0. that would up costs alot. However 40 million is still a massive buget althrough i did not know how it ranked against other big buget games but indeed interesting to here aboutShenmue costs.

I dont know how long killzone been in development for but i could make an educated guess. The trailer was realeased 2 years ago and killzone 1 was realeased in 2004 i think. As far as i am aware gurellia hasnt worked on any other projects except killzone liberation i assume they were working with both at the same time. So assuming they started as soon as they finished killzone 1 then i suppose there getting close to 3 years now.

Anyway we re getting away from my orginal point in that someone made the foolish point that sony were gonna let killzone 2 go the way of killzone 1. whilethis could happen it does seem that sony and gurellia are trying there best for this not to happen

James567

It's just that Guerilla have never made stellar games, save Liberation ya know.

By the way, 3 years for 40 mill is a lot. Shenmue was developed over 7 years I believe, and Too Human has been longer than that.

Judging from the screen shots, it looks like Killzone 2's graphics have more grit to them (like Gears), while Halo 3's have more polish and color. Completely different visual styles.

Halo 3 supposedly runs at a steady 60 fps though. That's something you can't see in screen shots. Bungie could have made the game run at 30 fps - it would have enabled them to add even MORE detail, effects, and polygons shown on screen. But I think for a game like Halo 3, 60 fps is important to have.

We won't know what Killzone 2 runs at until shortly before its release.

thinicer

How do you know Halo 3 is running at 60fps?

How do you know Halo 3 is running at 60fps?

FrozenLiquid

I thought it was common knowledge. Wasn't that what Bungie was aiming for?

are those halo pics ingame?

because as far as i know halo is a first person shooter, and in first person you can't see yourself (mc) you should only see the gun, so it isn't REALLY ingame.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

How do you know Halo 3 is running at 60fps?

thinicer

I thought it was common knowledge. Wasn't that what Bungie was aiming for?

I don't think so.... I'm sure it's 30fps....

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I'm still not sold enough on which system has better graphics, but in terms of KZ2 vs Halo 3, KZ2 takes the cake, even in it's earliest form against a near finished product.

are those halo pics ingame?

because as far as i know halo is a first person shooter, and in first person you can't see yourself (mc) you should only see the gun, so it isn't REALLY ingame.

kiwisama

Oh, it is in game. It's called the Saved Films feature. Maybe you should read up on Halo 3 at E3 ;)

I don't think so.... I'm sure it's 30fps....

FrozenLiquid

The multiplayer beta was supposedly 60 fps so maybe that's where I got it from. Maybe multiplayer will be 60 fps while the campaign mode will be 30 fps.

[QUOTE="James567"]

That is true about the UE 3.0. that would up costs alot. However 40 million is still a massive buget althrough i did not know how it ranked against other big buget games but indeed interesting to here aboutShenmue costs.

I dont know how long killzone been in development for but i could make an educated guess. The trailer was realeased 2 years ago and killzone 1 was realeased in 2004 i think. As far as i am aware gurellia hasnt worked on any other projects except killzone liberation i assume they were working with both at the same time. So assuming they started as soon as they finished killzone 1 then i suppose there getting close to 3 years now.

Anyway we re getting away from my orginal point in that someone made the foolish point that sony were gonna let killzone 2 go the way of killzone 1. whilethis could happen it does seem that sony and gurellia are trying there best for this not to happen

FrozenLiquid

It's just that Guerilla have never made stellar games, save Liberation ya know.

By the way, 3 years for 40 mill is a lot. Shenmue was developed over 7 years I believe, and Too Human has been longer than that.

True but that doent mean that therealways gonna release rubbish games. Had Bungie actually done anything gooduntil Halo? And take a look at Rockstar andthe first two GTAsnotexactly what what you would calltriple A material. Then PS2 comes out they finally canforfill there orginal ambtions hopefully gurellia will do the same

If Killzone 2 actually looked like those 2 bottom pics then I'd say that Kilzone 2 has better textures than Halo 3. But based on how Killzone 2 actually looks, there's no question, Killzone 2's textures are of Substantially lower Quality than the textures in Halo 3.UpSwing

BTW, you're self owning yourself hardcorelike the guy in my sig. You might want to stop.

Wheres the hud in the halo pics? Its not from a first person view. TC FAIL.-Reggaeton-

Last time that argument came up in 2004, every single person who asked the same question got owned.

Don't be that person.

And obviously you do not care to read up on Halo 3. That there is the Saved Films feature in action.

In motion, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3 (the screenshots really don't do it justice). That said though, Halo 3 will probably play better, sound better and have a much more robust online mode. The guys over at Bungie put a lot of hard work into balancing and weapon placement, so it'll be better.

-Spock-

I agree what some of what you said but I don't agree that Halo 3 will have better sound that kilzone 2. The explostions and firing of weaponsin KZ2 sound fantastic. I just hope it plays good as it sounds.

True but that doent mean that therealways gonna release rubbish games. Had Bungie actually done anything gooduntil Halo? And take a look at Rockstar andthe first two GTAsnotexactly what what you would calltriple A material. Then PS2 comes out they finally canforfill there orginal ambtions hopefully gurellia will do the same

James567

Bungie made Myth, Marathon, and ONI.

Both Myth and Marathon were critically acclaimed for its time. Marathon was in fact released around the same time as Doom, and was even technically superior. But due to it being on Mac, it was overshadowed by Doom.

GG has released Killzone, Shellshock 'Nam 67, and Killzone Liberation. Two of them are average, one is decent.

Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.akuma303x

[QUOTE="-Spock-"]

In motion, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3 (the screenshots really don't do it justice). That said though, Halo 3 will probably play better, sound better and have a much more robust online mode. The guys over at Bungie put a lot of hard work into balancing and weapon placement, so it'll be better.

Mobb_One1

I agree what some of what you said but I don't agree that Halo 3 will have better sound that kilzone 2. The explostions and firing of weaponsin KZ2 sound fantastic. I just hope it plays good as it sounds.

You're kidding. Halo is second to none in the sound department.

The rustle of leaves, the echoing sounds of water, the metallic clinks under your feet, the eerie sound of Forerunner technology. That's not to mention the stellar musical score. It's more than just explosions and gunfire mate.

screen shot halo 3 looks better...but in motion killzone 2. joeychew

In motion, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3 (the screenshots really don't do it justice). That said though, Halo 3 will probably play better, sound better and have a much more robust online mode. The guys over at Bungie put a lot of hard work into balancing and weapon placement, so it'll be better.

-Spock-

yeah i pretty much agree with this guy. Killzone and halo3 are pretty much on par graphically certain parts of killzone were amazing but other parts were really lackluster kinda funny.

[QUOTE="Mobb_One1"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

In motion, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3 (the screenshots really don't do it justice). That said though, Halo 3 will probably play better, sound better and have a much more robust online mode. The guys over at Bungie put a lot of hard work into balancing and weapon placement, so it'll be better.

FrozenLiquid

I agree what some of what you said but I don't agree that Halo 3 will have better sound that kilzone 2. The explostions and firing of weaponsin KZ2 sound fantastic. I just hope it plays good as it sounds.

You're kidding. Halo is second to none in the sound department.

The rustle of leaves, the echoing sounds of water, the metallic clinks under your feet, the eerie sound of Forerunner technology. That's not to mention the stellar musical score. It's more than just explosions and gunfire mate.

[QUOTE="joeychew"]screen shot halo 3 looks better...but in motion killzone 2. ragrdoll21

We have not seen the H3 gameplay footage yet, which everyone is highly praising.

Did you hear the lightning in KZ2......Awesome, it was.ragrdoll21

Yup I've been watching the footage over and over again to see where GG have cleverly create an illusion.

There's lack of shadows in the opening scene, pre rendered lighting mixed with real time, predone animations with some ragdoll I believe, and yeah..... it's amazing how they made it look so awesome.

Technically speaking, Halo 3 is more impressive, but what they did in KZ was so darn good I'm inspired by them.

[QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.ragrdoll21

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="joeychew"]screen shot halo 3 looks better...but in motion killzone 2. skyform

We have not seen the H3 gameplay footage yet, which everyone is highly praising.

[QUOTE="skyform"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="joeychew"]screen shot halo 3 looks better...but in motion killzone 2. ragrdoll21

We have not seen the H3 gameplay footage yet, which everyone is highly praising.

I didn't like the Halo 3 montage either, but well it's still can happend that at the end Halo 3 will be a better game then Killzone 2, so let's just wait and see.

Btw i wasn't even impresed by Killzone 2, because the gaemplay looked very unimpressive and slow. The most impressive games of the show where AC, COD4, HS and Uncharted.

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.akuma303x

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="skyform"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="joeychew"]screen shot halo 3 looks better...but in motion killzone 2. skyform

We have not seen the H3 gameplay footage yet, which everyone is highly praising.

I didn't like the Halo 3 montage either, but well it's still can happend that at the end Halo 3 will be a better game then Killtone 2, so let's just wait and see.

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.ragrdoll21

Yep...your absolutely right. In the current stage, on ONE level, KZ 2 takes up 2 GB of space on the disc. That's just for one level. KZ 2 could definitely be done on the 360 though, but it would have to be reworked and certain things wouldn't be the same. It'll never happen anyway, but if it were ported to the 360, it couldn't just be a straight port like most game.

developers and reporters will agree: people that don't see the improvement in Halo3 are not capable of judging graphics.

everything in Halo3 is pure CHOICE. remember: it's a sequel. and they did everything to make that sequel look the same AND improve it on every techicall way possible.

And why exactly ARE you throwing in pics of CGI for Killzone 2? There are CGI pics of Halo 3, but you didn't add them ( and nor should you )UpSwing

[QUOTE="Mobb_One1"][QUOTE="-Spock-"]

In motion, Killzone 2 looks better than Halo 3 (the screenshots really don't do it justice). That said though, Halo 3 will probably play better, sound better and have a much more robust online mode. The guys over at Bungie put a lot of hard work into balancing and weapon placement, so it'll be better.

FrozenLiquid

I agree what some of what you said but I don't agree that Halo 3 will have better sound that kilzone 2. The explostions and firing of weaponsin KZ2 sound fantastic. I just hope it plays good as it sounds.

You're kidding. Halo is second to none in the sound department.

The rustle of leaves, the echoing sounds of water, the metallic clinks under your feet, the eerie sound of Forerunner technology. That's not to mention the stellar musical score. It's more than just explosions and gunfire mate.

You'reabsolutely right. I never thought of it that way. I take back what I said, Halo 3do have better sound than KZ2 but KZ2 imo looks better in motion than Halo 3.

[QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.ragrdoll21

In the end, you guys are still comparing a near finishied product to the first real content of Killzone 2. Imagine if we compared this KZ2 footage to those first screenshots of Halo 3, from the beta and all. Yea, let's not go there. Either way, i still think KZ2 looks much better in it's current form.BrownWalrus

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.akuma303x

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[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"][QUOTE="ragrdoll21"][QUOTE="akuma303x"]Halo 3 simply looks amazing. Clean as it gets. I wish the PS3 was capable of better textures. But in motion KZ looks like a futuristic COD4. And so it looks damn good. But my vote goes to Halo for the fact IVe never seen a game the PS3 can do graphically that the 360 cant do better. Textures alone make gears look better than KZ2, Im sorry but sony fans do settle for less stellar textures. And I think they have lower standards for graphics. Because some games they brag about we lemms laugh at. I mean uncharted is ugly. Not in the sense of its design. But look at the flat looking ground. How it has no grass. It looks like lines of different colors of green. MAybe a BOB Ross painting? Either way the 360 can produce better graphics. Until the PS3 beats GEARS OF WAR graphically, Thew 360 kills it. MASS EFFECT kills any PS# game except GT5. BY the way Cows GT5 is the best looking PS3 game. KZ2 is a joke. Of course you can get all that on screen at once, IF the 360 used such low quality textures, it could too.duble_Needler23

Yep...your absolutely right. In the current stage, on ONE level, KZ 2 takes up 2 GB of space on the disc. That's just for one level. KZ 2 could definitely be done on the 360 though, but it would have to be reworked and certain things wouldn't be the same. It'll never happen anyway, but if it were ported to the 360, it couldn't just be a straight port like most game.

[QUOTE="James567"]

True but that doent mean that therealways gonna release rubbish games. Had Bungie actually done anything gooduntil Halo? And take a look at Rockstar andthe first two GTAsnotexactly what what you would calltriple A material. Then PS2 comes out they finally canforfill there orginal ambtions hopefully gurellia will do the same

FrozenLiquid

Bungie made Myth, Marathon, and ONI.

Both Myth and Marathon were critically acclaimed for its time. Marathon was in fact released around the same time as Doom, and was even technically superior. But due to it being on Mac, it was overshadowed by Doom.

GG has released Killzone, Shellshock 'Nam 67, and Killzone Liberation. Two of them are average, one is decent.

I didnt no that about bungie so a stand corrcted althrough I imagine those games were not well acclaimed as Halo. However i still not going to dimiss Killzone 2 becuase of gurelliasprevious games they deserve a second chance and hopefull they can live up to the hype