GStop: AC: Syndicate, Battlefront and Halo 5 flopped.

"Industry sources" Sounds like something a fanboy (probably you) just pulled from your ass.

"We are in constant discussions with all publishers and platform-holders and we believe that all major full-game titles launched in this quarter were in line with previously announced digital download levels,"

Now there's a quote from Gamestop who actually does speak to publishers and platform holders because they sell their games and they would get sued if they lied to investors.

Who should we trust. A retailer who actually sells games or "industry sources"?

Chalk up another L for m$ shill nyadc.

And one question for you nyadc, did you ever take a math class? Even if digital sales were at 50% (which they are not) what is 50% of 935k + 150k? How the hell did you get 4-5 million from that? Holy shit you are dumb.

No! It's a week sale, not a day one. How about this one : http://wccftech.com/rise-tomb-raider-uk-sales-due-poor-release-timing-fine-ps4/

It says : launch week, not day 1.

I asked you, are you so dumb ( read ) to see ? Why many sites quote GAF numbers for many years now? Read the fucking OP : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186465344&postcount=1

Of course posters won't tell you what their source is ( in PAL thread or NPD threads ).

Rules are simple on GAF - you don't have official data, you get the permaban. Oh yes, i wrote that a few posts ago. You can't read even that. Great!

Industry analyst Doug Creutz of Cowen & Company:

"'We especially have a hard time believing that Halo 5 digital units remain in the 20-25% range, as GameStop management suggested on the call,' he said. 'GameStop gave some other potential reasons for the disconnect between NPD data and Microsoft's post-launch press release, but we don't believe they are sufficient to explain the size of the gap.'"

"'Industry sources support our belief that Halo 5 digital sales were much closer to half of units than the 20-25% GameStop is suggesting.'"

It says right there in the article, I don't know why you would think it was made up anyway.

If I recall on GAF frankie(stinkles on GAF) also said that the online population for the game was strong according to 343i's expectations with the competition they are dealing with to. I'm thinking the game is well on it's way to at least 3 million and maybe 4 million by years end.Heavy bundling and frequent updates to the game will probably result in the game selling between 6 and 8 million by the end of this gen which is still below what you would expect fr a halo game usually.

Link to what he said on GAF

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186302561&postcount=4113

Halo 5 is not selling like crazy, but it's selling good.

Sources need citation which Doug Cruetz doesn't have.

Still nothing mate, thats same source i posted earlier, thats the <63K on first day. Of course it states launch week, but Tomb Raider released on last day of launch week, so its one day mate.

GameStop just reported an 18% quarterly loss... They want to say anything they can to appear relevant to the public at large.

What in the hell is the rest of the world numbnuts...

That 935k physical copies of the game is only in the United States, not in bundles or anything else, just copies of the game. That 935k alone multiplied by two is nearly 2 million, and that's just NPD which only accounts for 5 of the 7 days in the week going into November. At that rate add in those two more days and it comes to 1,309,000, multiply that by two, that's 2.61 million only in the United States in one week, now factor in the rest of the world.

The game sold 4-5 million copies its first week, deal with it.

@NathanDrakeSwag: Why do you believe gamestop's sourceless assumptions about digital sales, but not the sourceless assumptions about digital sales of a general industry analyst?

Quit being a baby.

Because Gamestop will get sued if they are caught lying to investors. They obviously speak with publishers because they sell their games, advertise their games, offer preorder bonuses for everything and so on. They know what's going on far more than Doug Cruetz.

Let me guess, Pachter calculated the predictions?

@nyadc: The rest of the world doesn't buy xbone. Even the most generous possible digital sales puts the game below 2 million sales. You are delusional as ****.

Reporting their supposed findings about digital sales of a game has literally nothing to do with them or investors, they can't be sued for reporting an incorrect figure unrelated to their business..

@mesome713:

LOL! ROTR launched at Nov. 13 ( Friday ). You forgot about Saturday too, mate! So, it's NOT day one sales! Game flopped hard ( THANKS TO MS AND SQUENIX ) 42K in first week, 27k in 2nd week

You REFUSE to read that their source is GAF member ( LOL, you also a gave the link "according to NeoGAF member..." who made the PAL threads for many years now. Anyway, why some sites cite some posts from GAF if numbers are legit? And also he posted the numbers for ROTR later. I gave you the links. Numbers are LEGIT! Less than 70k IN 2 WEEKS = FLOP!

Halo 5 probably sold better on digital compared to the typical retail game. I wouldn't be surprised if the digital/physical ratio was something like 30%/70%.It could be in the 40%-50% range but we need more info to determine this.

There's likely about 15-16 million Xbox One's in the wild currently, close to 8 million of those are in the United States, I guess the rest of the world didn't buy the remaining 7 to 8 million consoles...

Stop posting, you're beginning to look dumber than you already appear.

Guessing is not lying in any kind of legal sense when it isn't your company. They can say whatever the hell they want about digital sales so long as they keep it general and don't speak in absolutes. All that shit you mentioned has nothing to do with anything.

And lets also not forget that you really have no idea what connections any industry analyst has, nevermind this specific person, so you're basically just shitting on him to believe what you want, not because you know anything about anything.

Yes they can because if digital sales were the reason their revenue was down and they try to lie or hide that from investors it would be reason to sue. What Gamestop is saying is the sales for Halo, AC, and BF underperformed and digital had nothing to do with it. It's not what you want to hear so you're going to deflect and deny which is why I'm done arguing with you about it. Its like talking to a wall. Have a good day.

They cannot be sued for a figure unless it's directly tied to their business and financials, they can report whatever they want about their 'findings' on digital sales. It's in their best interest to say that digital sales made a normal impact to lessen the blow stating that the entire industry is in decline when it's really just them getting shit on by the digital market.

They can't be sued for that, they're not reporting incorrect figures about their own business or financials, you don't have a clue what in the **** you're talking about.

Oh god... NyaDC making sales predictions again. Halo 5 isn't doing 4-5 million when it did under 1 million in its strongest territory.

935k in 5 days is what when averaged out? 187,000 units per day, add in the other two days accounting for the timeframe of Microsoft's $400,000,000 one week figure and you end up at 1,309,000 sales in 7 days. If the digital market accounts for 50% of the sales that is 2,618,000 units sold in the first week in only the United States, and that doesn't even include units moved in bundles. Then you have to account for the rest of the world, the rest of the world owns the remaining 7-8 million Xbox One's, the United States is roughly half of the market.

The game sold 4-5 million in its first week.

LOL! 50% in digital sales. Why not 90%? C'mon, add 90%. EA a few days ago said that digital sales for their titles are around 20%.

Nice try! Keep going.

The market analyst said its sales are likely attributed to roughly 50% digital, and like I already said nearly every poll on Halo Waypoint relating to digital and physical copies and what people were going to buy was generally at a 45%/55% split.

It all makes sense man, especially when the $400,000,000 figure is tied in, I'm not going over this anymore, the game sold somewhere between 4-5 million in its release week.

Xboner at it's best. They trying to spin everything. Damn, you SUCKED MS's PR so HARD!

400 mil.$ revenue - game : limited editions + vanilla game, DLC, microtransactions, REQ packs and hardware : bundles, controllers etc. ALL is included.

And game sold 4-5 mil. in first week. Nice one.

You don't average out the sales per day since sales are always highest on the first day. Again, you assume 50% digital when Gamestop says it's around 20%. 7-8 million form the rest of the world is from VGChartz I'm guessing? So you basically pulled numbers from your ass.

I think your forgetting when the report ends. Again mate, it was counting a total of 1 day. But dont let that stop your hate mate, hate on.

What hate? You refuse to accept that ROTR sold around 70k in 2 weeks from posters who gives the official data every week. Saturday still counts, mate ( reports end or not ). Keep going! Let butthurt flow trough you!

@granddogg: So because you don't like Gravity Rush it is lol? A lot of people did like it and at Gravity Rush 2 showed gameplay unlike Recore...

You may not like Japanese games, but I'm excited for that lineup.

I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Sony controls 70% of the european console market and in Japan we all know the xbone is basically nonexistent.

Ill just wait for the official reports. Better safe then sorry.

I guess the FLOP has real world repercussions.

Seems to me Gamestop is flopping harder to Best buy Gamer club unlocked which is taking there business away from them and using all kinds of excuses. BTW i own both consules so could care less about numbers and just play the games i like

Official reports from sites who cite the sales data from GAF? Hey, you should check this one. This site used a corrected data ( before 42k correction ) from GAF : http://www.craveonline.com/culture/924177-rise-tomb-raider-sold-fewer-57000-copies-uk

"Rise of the Tomb Raider Xbox 360 accounts for 15% of total sales, so all versions combined are below 56,700 units.""

Please, don't accept this one.

@imt558: Again, ill wait for official reports. It wont be long. America will save her.

The link you gave me is official : http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-sells-less-than-63000-in-uk/#38dvMupT1UIeOgga.99

but, the link that i gave you isn't official : http://www.craveonline.com/culture/924177-rise-tomb-raider-sold-fewer-57000-copies-uk

even the both sites use the same source ( GAF member ). LOL!

Neither is, hence why i said ill wait for the official report.

Given the increased popularity in terms of digital sales, i'm not surprised. I'm more inclined to go digital with the Xbone now, so that my brother has access to any games that I purchase. I bought Halo 5, and we both played co-op/MP together.

@mesome713:

I cant find nothing to back up your claim mate, sorry.

Oh, now it's neither, but you pushed the link that you gave me as official in previous posts. What a hypocrisy!

LOL! I hope that you will find a link with headline - Rise Of The Tomb Raider performed well in UK in launch week. You should give it a try.

Lems still dealing with Halo's floppage? It flopped and all damage control about digital is just damage control. Fallout and COD did amazing with no digital numbers needed. Face it Halo is in decline. Shooters mostly suck so this is a good thing.

LMAO at NyaDc saying digital was same amount as physical. Jesus Christ.

Floppity flop Floplo 5 flopped.

I was talking about your claim for a week and two weeks, i could only find the day one sales.

Oh! Another hypocrisy! You used some blog site for your official "day 1" statement : http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/rise-of-the-tomb-raider-sells-less-than-63000-in-uk/#38dvMupT1UIeOgga.99

vs. the legit site

http://www.craveonline.com/culture/924177-rise-tomb-raider-sold-fewer-57000-copies-uk with "week sale" statement.

So, your blog is legit, mine link is not. And Saturday is counted for sales. So, it had 2 days in week for sale.

LOL! How low you can go.

No, i was using the day counted before people started reporting sales. Maybe they should he waited a week total and then reported, but im guessing it wouldnt he meet their agenda by then.

Again, your using a week sale but ignoring that Rise of Tomb Raider was released at the end of the week. So again, instead of listening to agenda trolls trying to spin sales numbers, ill wait for an official report. Were just running in circles otherwise.

What do you mean "NyaDc saying", did you even read the article you bumbling idiot? The market analyst and his firm said it, that's his and their job, I happen to agree with it as it perfectly fills the void which corroborates Microsoft's financials, any sane person would come to the same conclusion.

Hurr fucking durr...

LMAO @ NyaDC having a meltdown in this thread! Are you seriously saying Halo's digital sales were equal to its retail sales? WTF lol?!

That "analyst" is an idiot. You are desperate enough to believe anything if it props Halo up.

@StrongBlackVine: Yet it seems you're willing to believe anything that points to the opposite. What makes the analyst an idiot?

You're calling someone and their firm whose entire existence and job is to analyze marketing data, sales and breakdown financials an idiot?

People like this guy and his firm have no bias, no motivation to say anything other than what their data and research has provided for them, they're professionals, this is their career.

But I suppose I should listen to some idiotic forum warrior who wants a product to fail, that's the logical thing to do...

Michael Patcher is an analyst...enough said.

So now you're trying to disparage analyst's and their careers? Get lost dude, you're such a loser.

Microsoft could literally break down the financials for all of this and you'd still try to find a way to dismiss it, you're a butthurt Sony fanatic losing his shit over something that still dominates in the video game industry 14 years later.