GT5 Could Be The Highest Selling And Highest Rated Game In The Franchise

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#1 TheArmyGuy48
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If we go by patterns:

According to gamerankings, the first iteration of every gen is always higher rated, than the second iteration that gen.

Also, another trend to look at is the sales. The first GT installment of every generation, always ends up being the highest selling game of the franchise. GT3 sold 15 million, and launched with a 10 million PS2 userbase (and it only had like 3 years to sell all those copies because GT4 was already out by then).

This time, it gets to launch with prolly around a 30M userbase (PS3 will be around 30M after black friday, and the holiday rush).

I dont even need to go into the 4 million that the DEMO sold, outselling forza 2 (and it came out a year later, on a console with a smaller install base, and lower software attache rate:lol:....but thats for another thread:|)

GT5 is looking to be the best game in the franchise, and it has MORE than double the content of its competition, twice as many cars and tracks, with more detail put into each one, more gameplay modes, better graphics, better driving gameplay, and everything forza 3 will have, and more. This game is shaping up to be the best the franchise has ever seen, and it has some of the most momentum for a game ever.

And before you say "salez dont mattar 1ulz", Then halo sales dont matter, because GT1 and GT3 are both higher than halo 3 at gamerankings, and every GT game has sold better than every halo game.

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#2 Swift_Boss_A
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I agree wholeheartedly :)
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#3 nhh18
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GT5 should sell 8-12 million. But 25+ million compared to wiifit and 98% gameranking score? Lol

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#4 Giancar
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I doubt the ps3 will sell like 5-6 millions till black Friday :/
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#5 WilliamRLBaker
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you dont need to bring up the demo? yet then go ahead and do?
Seems to be your entire argument is centering around that...

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#6 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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It also could be the worst selling and lowest rated of all. It also could be in secon place. Or third. We have to wait and see
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#7 nhh18
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I doubt the ps3 will sell like 5-6 millions till black Friday :/Giancar
5-6 million till black friday is a :D. too. It will be lucky to get that the whole year.

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#8 salxis
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If they fix the AI or online, sure. Honestly though, I came into this thread thinking it was for GH5 :P
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GT5 is looking to be the best game in the franchise, and it has MORE than double the content of its competition, twice as many cars and tracks, with more detail put into each one, more gameplay modes, better graphics, better driving gameplay, and everything forza 3 will have, and more. This game is shaping up to be the best the franchise has ever seen, and it has some of the most momentum for a game ever. TheArmyGuy48

Wrong, There are less tracks then forza, the cars are of less polygons, LESS gameplay modes( if you ask I'll prove) Forza 1 was known to have better gameplay than 4, gt5P handling was worse than forza 2, Turn 10 puts bigger focus on physics, And Gt will be missing out on almost all of the online features of Forza, which make the game so good.

We have seen nothing making use of the 16 cars, sience online is unplayable, and the A.I is dumb. PLUS they are all started strun out, single file, away from eachother, which defeats the pourpose.

other than graphics, everything else we have seen of gt5 is nothing to brag about. Damage that isn't very good, on less than a quarter of the cars, I shouldn't even need to mention the A.I. It's laughable how some of the fans of GT are.

So good job, you just made your own thread into another GT vs. Forza.

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#10 ActicEdge
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It could be the opposite. Not to mention the PS3 is worse at selling software than any of the other consoles.

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#11 x360owna
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Huh? 5-6 million? Thats closer to yearly sales.
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#13 NoobisMaxcimus
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I came in here expecting a link, but all i got was weaksauce:(

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#14 foxhound_fox
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Patterns are meaningless.

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i dont know exactly what it is but forza is just more fun to play,

plus theres no stupid liscens tests in forza

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lol, you seriously have to consider the fact that GT5's sales will be extremely limited by the PS3s install base. This isnt the PS2 here, nor is this last gen when there wasnt much competition in the racing genre because Forza was Xbox only, and that install base was really small. Just a thought, but i expect cows to ignore it
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[QUOTE="RevealingEdge"]

[QUOTE="Tobin09"]

GT5 is looking to be the best game in the franchise, and it has MORE than double the content of its competition, twice as many cars and tracks, with more detail put into each one, more gameplay modes, better graphics, better driving gameplay, and everything forza 3 will have, and more. This game is shaping up to be the best the franchise has ever seen, and it has some of the most momentum for a game ever. TheArmyGuy48

Wrong, There are less tracks then forza, the cars are of less polygons, LESS gameplay modes( if you ask I'll prove) Forza 1 was known to have better gameplay than 4, gt5P handling was worse than forza 2, Turn 10 puts bigger focus on physics, And Gt will be missing out on almost all of the online features of Forza, which make the game so good.

We have seen nothing making use of the 16 cars, sience online is unplayable, and the A.I is dumb. PLUS they are all started strun out, single file, away from eachother, which defeats the pourpose.

other than graphics, everything else we have seen of gt5 is nothing to brag about. Damage that isn't very good, on less than a quarter of the cars, I shouldn't even need to mention the A.I. It's laughable how some of the fans of GT are.

So good job, you just made your own thread into another GT vs. Forza.

who cares abt your mthfckr forza 3,i wont buy tht crap.gt all the way

See, thats a perfect example of my point, Someone who is so skewed over brand loyaltie, they won't accept the truth.
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#19 Shhadow_Viper
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I love the GT series and I feel that may be pushing it a bit... We will see I suppose.

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#20 deactivated-5b2b34c3a42a1
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No.

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#21 BZSIN
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I've been a GT fanboy since day one but I've had enough of Polyphony's ****. I fully expect it to out-sell Forza 3, but will it out-score it? If the stuff about only certain cars having damage, and not all cars having cockpit views is true, then I very much doubt it.

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#22 Dead-Memories
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An obvious bias telling of a very unlikely future based on observations and patterns is really not going to be taken seriously.

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#23 Rikusaki
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That's how I look at it. GT1 and GT3 were amazing.

To support the TC, look at the GR ratings below:

Playstation:

  • Gran Turismo: 94.71%
  • Gran Turismo 2: 92.52%

Playstation 2:

  • Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec: 94.29%
  • Gran Turismo 4: 89.19%
  • Gran Turismo Concept 2001 Tokyo: 75.59%

Playstation 3:

  • Gran Turismo 5: 92:57%(Projected rank)

Other:

  • GT5 Prologue: 79.84%
  • GT4 Prologue: 68.83%
  • GT PSP: 79.56%




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#24 foxhound_fox
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That's how I look at it. GT1 and GT3 were amazing.Rikusaki

Yeah... except for the fact that GT2 and GT4 were both better games than GT1 and GT3. They had more cars, more tracks, more races... and isn't quantity completely relative to quality when it comes to GT?

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#25 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]That's how I look at it. GT1 and GT3 were amazing.foxhound_fox


Yeah... except for the fact that GT2 and GT4 were both better games than GT1 and GT3. They had more cars, more tracks, more races... and isn't quantity completely relative to quality when it comes to GT?

Not according to the critics. According to the scores, GT1 and GT3 were better games. GT2 and GT4 were just re-hashes with more content.

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I can't disagree with you, GT5 will surpass all previous installments and CRUSH Forza 3. :twisted:

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#27 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]That's how I look at it. GT1 and GT3 were amazing.foxhound_fox


Yeah... except for the fact that GT2 and GT4 were both better games than GT1 and GT3. They had more cars, more tracks, more races... and isn't quantity completely relative to quality when it comes to GT?

That's what I thought as well. And I've played enough GT to know that.:P Not to mention more of everything is better for the average GT fan.

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#28 adman66
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and it could also be the lowest scoreing and lowest sellign as well.... we will have to wait and see
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#29 nhh18
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lol, you seriously have to consider the fact that GT5's sales will be extremely limited by the PS3s install base. This isnt the PS2 here, nor is this last gen when there wasnt much competition in the racing genre because Forza was Xbox only, and that install base was really small. Just a thought, but i expect cows to ignore itnavyguy21
GT5P sold 4 million which was 4* as much as GT4P. It isn't out of reality that GT5 will outsell GT4. However GT3, I doubt it. It should sell like I said 8-12 million. Less than GT3 and more than GT4. There is no way it is going to be outsold by forza 3. That is crazy talk. It hasn't even been announced completely and it is I think #4 in most anticipated to buy game in america (MW2, halo odst, are the two games ahead of it).

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#30 foxhound_fox
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Not according to the critics. According to the scores, GT1 and GT3 were better games. GT2 and GT4 were just re-hashes with more content.

Rikusaki


So you deny that more content makes a GT game better? Then why are they putting so much effort into GT5, giving it 1000 cars and 100 tracks? When GT3, the highest rated GT game (on Gamespot, the only scores that count), had 175 cars (including multiple variations of the same car) and 25 tracks (36 including reverse). Why not just settle for the ~270 "premium" cars and release the game as soon as possible?

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#31 Rikusaki
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Both GT1 and GT3 brought something fresh to the table, GT4 and GT2 didn't. GT5 will be the first GT to have online (GT5P doesn't count, sorry), cockpit view, new menu system, custom soundtracks, damage, YouTube replay output and possibly 3D.

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[QUOTE="TheArmyGuy48"] GT5 is looking to be the best game in the franchise, and it has MORE than double the content of its competition, twice as many cars and tracks, with more detail put into each one, more gameplay modes, better graphics, better driving gameplay, and everything forza 3 will have, and more. This game is shaping up to be the best the franchise has ever seen, and it has some of the most momentum for a game ever. Tobin09

Wrong, There are less tracks then forza, the cars are of less polygons, LESS gameplay modes( if you ask I'll prove) Forza 1 was known to have better gameplay than 4, gt5P handling was worse than forza 2, Turn 10 puts bigger focus on physics, And Gt will be missing out on almost all of the online features of Forza, which make the game so good.

We have seen nothing making use of the 16 cars, sience online is unplayable, and the A.I is dumb. PLUS they are all started strun out, single file, away from eachother, which defeats the pourpose.

other than graphics, everything else we have seen of gt5 is nothing to brag about. Damage that isn't very good, on less than a quarter of the cars, I shouldn't even need to mention the A.I. It's laughable how some of the fans of GT are.

So good job, you just made your own thread into another GT vs. Forza.

wrong GT5 and forza 3 uses the same amount of polys....250,000-300,000 said by PD....the lighting in GT5 makes puts the above forza 3 in terms of graphics....the lighting is amazing in GT5

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#33 foxhound_fox
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Both GT1 and GT3 brought something fresh to the table, GT4 and GT2 didn't. GT5 will be the first GT to have online (GT5P doesn't count, sorry), cockpit view, new menu system, custom soundtracks, damage, YouTube replay output and possibly 3D.

Rikusaki


There hasn't been anything "fresh" about Gran Turismo since its inception. Its followed the same basic formula since GT on the PS.

And GT5P is as much a "game" as GT5 (GT5 should be GT6 since its taken so long since the last "full" iteration). No "demo" gets released in retail for $40 and sells 4 million copies.

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#34 foxhound_fox
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wrong GT5 and forza 3 uses the same amount of polys....250,000-300,000 said by PD....the lighting in GT5 makes puts the above forza 3 in terms of graphics....the lighting is amazing in GT5

Revolution316


Turn 10 claims to be pushing 1 million in Forza 3. There is no way for us to know unless we get our hands on the developer's build and count them by hand.

Your lighting argument is purely subjective. Numbers are not subjective. Forza 3 is claimed to push more polygons than GT5.

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#35 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Both GT1 and GT3 brought something fresh to the table, GT4 and GT2 didn't. GT5 will be the first GT to have online (GT5P doesn't count, sorry), cockpit view, new menu system, custom soundtracks, damage, YouTube replay output and possibly 3D.

foxhound_fox


There hasn't been anything "fresh" about Gran Turismo since its inception. Its followed the same basic formula since GT on the PS.

And GT5P is as much a "game" as GT5 (GT5 should be GT6 since its taken so long since the last "full" iteration). No "demo" gets released in retail for $40 and sells 4 million copies.

No, many critics agree that GT3 was ahead of it's time. There was no sim around that could even come close. It deserved it's score (9.4/10).

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"No one game has ever captured the broad essence of driving cars that hail from all walks of auto-racing life like Gran Turismo 3 does, and certainly no one game has ever offered the depth contained within this ambitious game." - GameSpot

"Your PlayStation 2 library would be incomplete without this game." - GameSpot

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No, many critics agree that GT3 was ahead of it's time. There was no sim around that could even come close. It deserved it's score (9.4/10).

Rikusaki


Critics opinions are as valid as your's or my opinion. And as for your second statement, PC sims were leagues ahead of GT3 before the new millennium.

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#37 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] No, many critics agree that GT3 was ahead of it's time. There was no sim around that could even come close. It deserved it's score (9.4/10).

foxhound_fox


Critics opinions are as valid as your's or my opinion. And as for your second statement, PC sims were leagues ahead of GT3 before the new millennium.

In terms of physics and realism, yes they were. In terms of fun factor and replay value, no they weren't.

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#38 nhh18
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QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Both GT1 and GT3 brought something fresh to the table, GT4 and GT2 didn't. GT5 will be the first GT to have online (GT5P doesn't count, sorry), cockpit view, new menu system, custom soundtracks, damage, YouTube replay output and possibly 3D.

Rikusaki


There hasn't been anything "fresh" about Gran Turismo since its inception. Its followed the same basic formula since GT on the PS.

And GT5P is as much a "game" as GT5 (GT5 should be GT6 since its taken so long since the last "full" iteration). No "demo" gets released in retail for $40 and sells 4 million copies.

GT5 is going to sell more copies though. 8-12 million anyone who says otherwise is insane.

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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]wrong GT5 and forza 3 uses the same amount of polys....250,000-300,000 said by PD....the lighting in GT5 makes puts the above forza 3 in terms of graphics....the lighting is amazing in GT5

foxhound_fox


Turn 10 claims to be pushing 1 million in Forza 3. There is no way for us to know unless we get our hands on the developer's build and count them by hand.

Your lighting argument is purely subjective. Numbers are not subjective. Forza 3 is claimed to push more polygons than GT5.

1000000 is impossible. link for that statement?...250,000-300,000 is what they are doing. and its what GT5 is doing. turn 10 can claim w.e it wants. obviously they will say anything against GT5. we've seen gameplay of the finished forza 3, and demo showed of GT5 at the game show..and GT5 has it in terms of graphics

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#41 foxhound_fox
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GT5 is going to sell more copies though. 8-12 million anyone who says otherwise is insane.

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Selling more doesn't make it the better game. Halo sells tons... but it isn't the best shooter money can buy.

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[QUOTE="nhh18"]GT5 is going to sell more copies though. 8-12 million anyone who says otherwise is insane.

foxhound_fox


Selling more doesn't make it the better game. Halo sells tons... but it isn't the best shooter money can buy.

If a critics opinion is like yours or mine, it can be ignored right? If sales don't make a game, then they also can be ignored. Finally if previous titles in the series mean nothing, how do we compare these games?

Well we can't. It's all speculation until they are released.

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#43 Rikusaki
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You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

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#44 Tobin09
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You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

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I wouldn't be surprised no matter what happens. I'f it's AAA thats expected, if it uber flops, I could see gamespot doing that. LOL at shift 7.0 though. They were trying to compare to forza and gt, and should have set it into the missing PGR hole.
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#45 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

Tobin09
I wouldn't be surprised no matter what happens. I'f it's AAA thats expected, if it uber flops, I could see gamespot doing that. LOL at shift 7.0 though. They were trying to compare to forza and gt, and should have set it into the missing PGR hole.

Yeah... Anyway, I found a leaked video of Kazunori checking out the new Mercedes SLS AMG.
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#46 foxhound_fox
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You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

Rikusaki


You talk as if its a sure thing. Given the NFS: Shift review, GT5 will probably end up with a 8.5 and Uncharted 2, based on the past GS review, will probably be 8.5 as well.

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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

foxhound_fox


You talk as if its a sure thing. Given the NFS: Shift review, GT5 will probably end up with a 8.5 and Uncharted 2, based on the past GS review, will probably be 8.5 as well.

oh yeah, developers can't improve games. i forgot. :roll:

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#48 Rikusaki
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You guys will be surprised when GT5 comes out. This and Uncharted 2 will add two more AAAEs under the PS3's belt.

foxhound_fox


You talk as if its a sure thing. Given the NFS: Shift review, GT5 will probably end up with a 8.5 and Uncharted 2, based on the past GS review, will probably be 8.5 as well.

I highly doubt that will happen. I see both games getting AAA. Especially Uncharted 2. I've seen all of the gameplay videos out there and I think this game is under-hyped. It should be getting as much hype as Killzone 2 did.

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#49 PCFr3ak89
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I hope for the best, but after GT PSP, I am losing anything I had hoped for....
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#50 foxhound_fox
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oh yeah, developers can't improve games. i forgot. :roll:

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Well, lets see. The first Uncharted scored 8.0 on Gamespot. For the second, they've added multiplayer and a new singleplayer campaign. Talking as if Uncharted 2 is a "sure AAA" is means to disaster. Twilight Princess was "guaranteed AAA/AAAA." Now look at it... living down the most stringent of criticism on this website to date.

And based on the NFS:S review, if the same guy reviews GT5, I am almost certain he'll pan the game for not having a cockpit view in every car and (from what is known so far) an inferior online to Forza 3. A 7.0 for a game receiving a solid AA from almost everywhere else? Anything is possible on Gamespot. I thought Twilight Princess would have taught us this already.

You can doubt me all you like, but I've been here long enough to know how Gamespot reviews games, and can pretty accurately predict what score they are going to get. When Uncharted 2 and GT5 get 8.5'd, you don't have to worry about me saying "I told you so." There is never any guarantee, and based on their current standards, I highly doubt either game will score AAA.