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#51 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]oh yeah, developers can't improve games. i forgot. :roll:

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Well, lets see. The first Uncharted scored 8.0 on Gamespot. For the second, they've added multiplayer and a new singleplayer campaign. Talking as if Uncharted 2 is a "sure AAA" is means to disaster. Twilight Princess was "guaranteed AAA/AAAA." Now look at it... living down the most stringent of criticism on this website to date.

And based on the NFS:S review, if the same guy reviews GT5, I am almost certain he'll pan the game for not having a cockpit view in every car and (from what is known so far) an inferior online to Forza 3. A 7.0 for a game receiving a solid AA from almost everywhere else? Anything is possible on Gamespot. I thought Twilight Princess would have taught us this already.

You can doubt me all you like, but I've been here long enough to know how Gamespot reviews games, and can pretty accurately predict what score they are going to get. When Uncharted 2 and GT5 get 8.5'd, you don't have to worry about me saying "I told you so." There is never any guarantee, and based on their current standards, I highly doubt either game will score AAA.

I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

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#52 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]oh yeah, developers can't improve games. i forgot. :roll:

Rikusaki


Well, lets see. The first Uncharted scored 8.0 on Gamespot. For the second, they've added multiplayer and a new singleplayer campaign. Talking as if Uncharted 2 is a "sure AAA" is means to disaster. Twilight Princess was "guaranteed AAA/AAAA." Now look at it... living down the most stringent of criticism on this website to date.

And based on the NFS:S review, if the same guy reviews GT5, I am almost certain he'll pan the game for not having a cockpit view in every car and (from what is known so far) an inferior online to Forza 3. A 7.0 for a game receiving a solid AA from almost everywhere else? Anything is possible on Gamespot. I thought Twilight Princess would have taught us this already.

You can doubt me all you like, but I've been here long enough to know how Gamespot reviews games, and can pretty accurately predict what score they are going to get. When Uncharted 2 and GT5 get 8.5'd, you don't have to worry about me saying "I told you so." There is never any guarantee, and based on their current standards, I highly doubt either game will score AAA.

I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

Sometimes, its not HOW MUCH a game does, but HOW it does what its trying to do ;) A half baked online mode, half damage, and half cockpit views will ensure that its not AAA, so i agree with fox on that one, i do, however, think Uncharted 2 will be AAA. :D

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#53 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Well, lets see. The first Uncharted scored 8.0 on Gamespot. For the second, they've added multiplayer and a new singleplayer campaign. Talking as if Uncharted 2 is a "sure AAA" is means to disaster. Twilight Princess was "guaranteed AAA/AAAA." Now look at it... living down the most stringent of criticism on this website to date.

And based on the NFS:S review, if the same guy reviews GT5, I am almost certain he'll pan the game for not having a cockpit view in every car and (from what is known so far) an inferior online to Forza 3. A 7.0 for a game receiving a solid AA from almost everywhere else? Anything is possible on Gamespot. I thought Twilight Princess would have taught us this already.

You can doubt me all you like, but I've been here long enough to know how Gamespot reviews games, and can pretty accurately predict what score they are going to get. When Uncharted 2 and GT5 get 8.5'd, you don't have to worry about me saying "I told you so." There is never any guarantee, and based on their current standards, I highly doubt either game will score AAA.

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I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

Sometimes, its not HOW MUCH a game does, but HOW it does what its trying to do ;) A half baked online mode, half damage, and half cockpit views will ensure that its not AAA, so i agree with fox on that one, i do, however, think Uncharted 2 will be AAA. :D

The online isn't half baked....

It will have:

  • An Open Lobby
  • Text / Voice Chat
  • Private rooms
  • Online Photo Album
  • Online Replay Album
  • YouTube replay output

And the demo we saw at GamesCon was an early build of the game. Wait for TGS. We may see this "major advancement" Kazunori is talking about.

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#54 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

Rikusaki

Sometimes, its not HOW MUCH a game does, but HOW it does what its trying to do ;) A half baked online mode, half damage, and half cockpit views will ensure that its not AAA, so i agree with fox on that one, i do, however, think Uncharted 2 will be AAA. :D

The online isn't half baked....

It will have:

  • An Open Lobby
  • Text / Voice Chat
  • Private rooms
  • Online Photo Album
  • Online Replay Album
  • YouTube replay output

And the demo we saw at GamesCon was an early build of the game. Wait for TGS. We may see this "major advancement" Kazunori is talking about.

Again, naming features is pointless if they are not implemented well. And on top of that, forza 3 will be released first, and the online (based on forza 2) seems to be superior, no doubt that will come into play with reviewers right?
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#55 Rikusaki
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The online mode alone will ensure GT5 gets AAA.

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#56 foxhound_fox
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I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

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First it was "quantity = quality" (GTPSP has twice as many cars as Forza 3, thus its better). Then it was "quantity =/= quality" (GT1 and GT3 scoring better than GT2 and GT4, yet offering less). And now, its quantity = quality again because GT5 offers "more" than GT5P? Which is it man?

1 point is a huge difference on Gamespot. Especially when anything under a 7.0/10 is seen as basically not worth playing at all.

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#57 DJ_Lae
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According to gamerankings, the first iteration of every gen is always higher rated, than the second iteration that gen.TheArmyGuy48
Ouch, so GT5 is going to score lower than GT5P?
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#58 Syn_Valence
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fox your still around complaining..........your opinion on gt5 is like a racist opinion on the the million man march..........shouldnt be taken at all

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#59 foxhound_fox
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The online mode alone will ensure GT5 gets AAA.

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Even if its worse than Forza 2?

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#60 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]I highly doubt GT5 will get only 1 point higher than Prologue when it offers SO much more.

foxhound_fox


First it was "quantity = quality" (GTPSP has twice as many cars as Forza 3, thus its better). Then it was "quantity =/= quality" (GT1 and GT3 scoring better than GT2 and GT4, yet offering less). And now, its quantity = quality again because GT5 offers "more" than GT5P? Which is it man?

1 point is a huge difference on Gamespot. Especially when anything under a 7.0/10 is seen as basically not worth playing at all.

No, no... not content. Quantity in gameplay features.

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#61 foxhound_fox
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No, no... not content. Quantity in gameplay features.

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Well, Forza 3 offers more gameplay features, so its better.

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#62 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] No, no... not content. Quantity in gameplay features.

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Well, Forza 3 offers more gameplay features, so its better.

Really now? Can you give me a list? I'm sure it's about the same.

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#63 djsifer01
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It will sell well, not sure if it will be the best selling in the franchise due to the install base and software sales for the PS3.
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#64 DJ_Lae
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] No, no... not content. Quantity in gameplay features.

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Well, Forza 3 offers more gameplay features, so its better.

Yeah, but Forza 3 doesn't let you change the oil in your car or wash it.

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#65 foxhound_fox
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Really now? Can you give me a list? I'm sure it's about the same.

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Why do you need a list? Forza 3 has a per-pixel livery editor. The one thing GT5 isn't going to have and its basically a feature-for-feature fight on all other fronts. So Forza 3 wins.

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#66 Rikusaki
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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Really now? Can you give me a list? I'm sure it's about the same.

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Why do you need a list? Forza 3 has a per-pixel livery editor. The one thing GT5 isn't going to have and its basically a feature-for-feature fight on all other fronts. So Forza 3 wins.

I need a list because I have one. We can compare.

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Everything you said was purely speculation with the exception of past sales :( Halo has had more of an impact on its respective genre than GT has - Games that aren't even FPS games are copying online features that Halo 3 debuted on consoles. Also, GT5P wasn't a demo and the fact that Forza 2 still sold millions on a console where the attach rate was twice as high as other consoles is impressive. That means people spent more money and went more out of their way to own the big titles on 360 than on other platforms :) Since you like to recite numbers, here are a couple from Gamerankings: GT1: 28 Reviews; 94.71% GT2: 25 Reviews; 92.52% GT3: 88 Reviews; 94.29% GT4: 88 Reviews; 89.19% GT5P: 70 Reviews; 79.84% -- Halo CE: 82 reviews; 95.45% Halo 2: 102 reviews; 94.45% Halo 3: 91 reviews; 93.37% --- GT series: 59.8 reviews; 90.1% Halo series: 91.6 reviews; 94.2% Well would you look'y here... Looks like the Halo series was not only judged more harshly but has a higher average than the GT series; And if we include the spin-offs, the gap gets that much larger. Forza series: 81 reviews; 91.19% Looks like the Forza series is judged more harshly and is a higher quality series than GT as well...Wow TC, your examples backfired on you. Lulz
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#68 Classic24
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ok lets get down to business, im not a big fan of halo but i respect it for bringing the fps genre to consoles and GT brought the racing sim game to consoles as well so they are both seen in a light of being the FIRST to do it on consoles, forza is great im sure and so is GT, i wouldnt be surprised if they both scored a 9 on Gamespot i guess

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ok lets get down to business, im not a big fan of halo but i respect it for bringing the fps genre to consoles and GT brought the racing sim game to consoles as well so they are both seen in a light of being the FIRST to do it on consoles, forza is great im sure and so is GT, i wouldnt be surprised if they both scored a 9 on Gamespot i guessClassic24
Even PC sims are adapting what Forza did in 2005. GTR2 for the PC adapted the driving line the following year. What aspect of GT can be found in other racing games? None. I'm not expecting Gran Turismo 5 to do anything new based on what we know already and what we've seen in videos thus far. Its pretty much guaranteed to flop relative to Forza Motorsport 3. Mark my words... FM3 will have something for everyone; Intelligent near flawless A.I that can challenge you yet still make mistakes if pressured based on the new pressure system, for the core audience and for the newbies... There is a rewind feature and easier difficulty levels that are more forgiving and can be tweaked to your own discretion through a variety of assist... SHIFT was trying to be a simulator and an arcade racer, something NFS was never known for. It should have established and perfected a formula and then expanded its horizon like Forza Motorsport 3 is doing instead of trying to deliver on all fronts.
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#70 blackace
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GT5 should sell 8-12 million. But 25+ million compared to wiifit and 98% gameranking score? Lol

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I doubt it. I don't even think GT5 will make it out this year. GT5 Prologue did get a good rating and if GT5 is pretty close to that demo, people aren't going to buy it like they did with the other GT games on the PS2. GT5 Prologu sold just over 3 million worldwide and it took them awhile to get to that point. So don't expect GT5 to sell anywhere near GT3. Forza 3 is leaps ahead of it in features, AI, online features and realism. Prologue played similar to GT4 with better graphics.
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#71 2mrw
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you have nothing to support ur OPINION at all, the way i see it, the more it's delayed, the more the fans will disappointed wz it when it comes out.

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i hope so. but then i hope every game turns out to be great

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Considering both games are yet to be released i cannot understand how people can ASSUME one game will be better than the other... Noticed people bash GT series AI, but surely we havent seen yet the AI for GT5, lets not conclude it will suck until some detailed previews start coming out..

I plan to get both games, looking forward to F3 considering it has an official release date and its coming out in a few weeks.. But am also looking forward to GT5 considering it has loads of content and so many cars to choose from..

Thesad part in all these GT5 vs Forza3 threads is that both fanboy factions who just own 1 console and can only play one of these two games will be missing out on the other title they cannot play..

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[QUOTE="IronBass"]It also could be the worst selling and lowest rated of all. It also could be in secon place. Or third. We have to wait and see

That's the very truth, I agree but let's all hope for the best :)
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I hope it sells great. The slim should help with Dev's. I want cheap DLC for this game, as i tear through them.
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BU BU BU in forza i can PAINT my cars =((( Haha kidding, GT5 will kill forza.
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Everything you said was purely speculation with the exception of past sales :( Halo has had more of an impact on its respective genre than GT has - Games that aren't even FPS games are copying online features that Halo 3 debuted on consoles. Also, GT5P wasn't a demo and the fact that Forza 2 still sold millions on a console where the attach rate was twice as high as other consoles is impressive. That means people spent more money and went more out of their way to own the big titles on 360 than on other platforms :) Since you like to recite numbers, here are a couple from Gamerankings: GT1: 28 Reviews; 94.71% GT2: 25 Reviews; 92.52% GT3: 88 Reviews; 94.29% GT4: 88 Reviews; 89.19% GT5P: 70 Reviews; 79.84% -- Halo CE: 82 reviews; 95.45% Halo 2: 102 reviews; 94.45% Halo 3: 91 reviews; 93.37% --- GT series: 59.8 reviews; 90.1% Halo series: 91.6 reviews; 94.2% Well would you look'y here... Looks like the Halo series was not only judged more harshly but has a higher average than the GT series; And if we include the spin-offs, the gap gets that much larger. Forza series: 81 reviews; 91.19% Looks like the Forza series is judged more harshly and is a higher quality series than GT as well...Wow TC, your examples backfired on you. LulzVadamee

those become muted points when you look at the amount of games in both series GT has bout 7 or 8 im sure Forza has 3 the probability of Forza having a higher rating is more likely as theres less games out :P not trying to spin but to be honest its the truth.More games = bigger numbers to divide by in essence the spinoffs really do bring down the average to be honest if were talking sheer numbers here you wouldnt deny that the same could happen to Forza if they were to proceed in such a manner.

Im pretty sure going by what i've see in my eyes GT5's a triple A same with Forza.Both have diffrent strengths and weaknesses.Oh yeah you cant really say hah forza looks better aswell due to the fact im pretty sure Polyphony never gave out estimates of carmodel polygon builds.

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Considering both games are yet to be released i cannot understand how people can ASSUME one game will be better than the other... Noticed people bash GT series AI, but surely we havent seen yet the AI for GT5, lets not conclude it will suck until some detailed previews start coming out.Malta_1980
Yes we can assume based on past releases; That is how you form criticism. Also, we have seen videos of GT5 from gamescon or whatever that event was were they were showing the Subaru being damaged and how the A.I neglected to adjust to the stalled car but instead proceeded directly for the Subaru, hitting it... Gran Turismo hasn't changed since 2001, lets hope GT5 fixes these issues... If not, then it will flop.

[QUOTE="Vadamee"]Everything you said was purely speculation with the exception of past sales :( Halo has had more of an impact on its respective genre than GT has - Games that aren't even FPS games are copying online features that Halo 3 debuted on consoles. Also, GT5P wasn't a demo and the fact that Forza 2 still sold millions on a console where the attach rate was twice as high as other consoles is impressive. That means people spent more money and went more out of their way to own the big titles on 360 than on other platforms :) Since you like to recite numbers, here are a couple from Gamerankings: GT1: 28 Reviews; 94.71% GT2: 25 Reviews; 92.52% GT3: 88 Reviews; 94.29% GT4: 88 Reviews; 89.19% GT5P: 70 Reviews; 79.84% -- Halo CE: 82 reviews; 95.45% Halo 2: 102 reviews; 94.45% Halo 3: 91 reviews; 93.37% --- GT series: 59.8 reviews; 90.1% Halo series: 91.6 reviews; 94.2% Well would you look'y here... Looks like the Halo series was not only judged more harshly but has a higher average than the GT series; And if we include the spin-offs, the gap gets that much larger. Forza series: 81 reviews; 91.19% Looks like the Forza series is judged more harshly and is a higher quality series than GT as well...Wow TC, your examples backfired on you. Lulzrazgriz_101

those become muted points when you look at the amount of games in both series GT has bout 7 or 8 im sure Forza has 3 the probability of Forza having a higher rating is more likely as theres less games out :P not trying to spin but to be honest its the truth.More games = bigger numbers to divide by in essence the spinoffs really do bring down the average to be honest if were talking sheer numbers here you wouldnt deny that the same could happen to Forza if they were to proceed in such a manner.

Im pretty sure going by what i've see in my eyes GT5's a triple A same with Forza.Both have diffrent strengths and weaknesses.Oh yeah you cant really say hah forza looks better aswell due to the fact im pretty sure Polyphony never gave out estimates of carmodel polygon builds.

It doesn't become "muted points" because it isn't the review publication's fault that Polyphony couldn't churn out the same quality titles consecutively. Each Forza iteration endured more scrutiny than the GT series and still outscored them as a whole.
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

GT5 should sell 8-12 million. But 25+ million compared to wiifit and 98% gameranking score? Lol

blackace

I doubt it. I don't even think GT5 will make it out this year. GT5 Prologue did get a good rating and if GT5 is pretty close to that demo, people aren't going to buy it like they did with the other GT games on the PS2. GT5 Prologu sold just over 3 million worldwide and it took them awhile to get to that point. So don't expect GT5 to sell anywhere near GT3. Forza 3 is leaps ahead of it in features, AI, online features and realism. Prologue played similar to GT4 with better graphics.

GT5 has a 1000 cars, 3 game modes, etc. It is leaps and bounds more features than gt5 p. It is going to sell 4 million first month most likely. Anyone who is saying this isn't goign to sell 8-12 million I think is insane. You need to get off this idea like cows believing X game is going to sell more than halo. This is the halo for PS3. It is goign to sell 3times as much as forza 3 at least. And the features aren't that much different between the 2 games. Outside of more user generated content and one more mode. I would say everything else is towards gt5. GT5 has 600 more cars, 80 tracks versus 50, 3 different racing games (WRC, Nascar, and tournament mode) and better graphics. I have no idea abuot physics and I doubt you do too about which one is better. So how could anyone say realism is different (and graphics are an aspect of this). I

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[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

GT5 should sell 8-12 million. But 25+ million compared to wiifit and 98% gameranking score? Lol

nhh18

I doubt it. I don't even think GT5 will make it out this year. GT5 Prologue did get a good rating and if GT5 is pretty close to that demo, people aren't going to buy it like they did with the other GT games on the PS2. GT5 Prologu sold just over 3 million worldwide and it took them awhile to get to that point. So don't expect GT5 to sell anywhere near GT3. Forza 3 is leaps ahead of it in features, AI, online features and realism. Prologue played similar to GT4 with better graphics.

GT5 has a 1000 cars, 3 game modes, etc. It is leaps and bounds more features than gt5 p. It is going to sell 4 million first month most likely. Anyone who is saying this isn't goign to sell 8-12 million I think is insane. You need to get off this idea like cows believing X game is going to sell more than halo. This is the halo for PS3. It is goign to sell 3times as much as forza 3 at least. And the features aren't that much different between the 2 games. Outside of more user generated content and one more mode. I would say everything else is towards gt5. GT5 has 600 more cars, 80 tracks versus 50, 3 different racing games (WRC, Nascar, and tournament mode) and better graphics. I have no idea abuot physics and I doubt you do too about which one is better. So how could anyone say realism is different (and graphics are an aspect of this). I

Forza 3 has over 100 tracks.
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#82 SchoolThing
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Eh, I hope you're joking. Halo 3's 7-day sales (4.5 million) will be superior to GT5's 365-day sales.
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#83 lhughey
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It could also the be the worst selling. I think racer sims are less appealing to the average gamer now.
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#84 Ontain
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it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:
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#85 Rikusaki
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it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:Ontain
Sure about that? I bet it will. Sales don't really matter that much anyway..
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#86 nhh18
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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="blackace"] I doubt it. I don't even think GT5 will make it out this year. GT5 Prologue did get a good rating and if GT5 is pretty close to that demo, people aren't going to buy it like they did with the other GT games on the PS2. GT5 Prologu sold just over 3 million worldwide and it took them awhile to get to that point. So don't expect GT5 to sell anywhere near GT3. Forza 3 is leaps ahead of it in features, AI, online features and realism. Prologue played similar to GT4 with better graphics. djestar

GT5 has a 1000 cars, 3 game modes, etc. It is leaps and bounds more features than gt5 p. It is going to sell 4 million first month most likely. Anyone who is saying this isn't goign to sell 8-12 million I think is insane. You need to get off this idea like cows believing X game is going to sell more than halo. This is the halo for PS3. It is goign to sell 3times as much as forza 3 at least. And the features aren't that much different between the 2 games. Outside of more user generated content and one more mode. I would say everything else is towards gt5. GT5 has 600 more cars, 80 tracks versus 50, 3 different racing games (WRC, Nascar, and tournament mode) and better graphics. I have no idea abuot physics and I doubt you do too about which one is better. So how could anyone say realism is different (and graphics are an aspect of this). I

Forza 3 has over 100 tracks.

includes reverse tracks though

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[QUOTE="djestar"][QUOTE="nhh18"]GT5 has a 1000 cars, 3 game modes, etc. It is leaps and bounds more features than gt5 p. It is going to sell 4 million first month most likely. Anyone who is saying this isn't goign to sell 8-12 million I think is insane. You need to get off this idea like cows believing X game is going to sell more than halo. This is the halo for PS3. It is goign to sell 3times as much as forza 3 at least. And the features aren't that much different between the 2 games. Outside of more user generated content and one more mode. I would say everything else is towards gt5. GT5 has 600 more cars, 80 tracks versus 50, 3 different racing games (WRC, Nascar, and tournament mode) and better graphics. I have no idea abuot physics and I doubt you do too about which one is better. So how could anyone say realism is different (and graphics are an aspect of this). I

nhh18

Forza 3 has over 100 tracks.

includes reverse tracks though

GT5's 1000 cars are more like 1 car with 20 variations.

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#88 GSuser123
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it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:Ontain
Don't underestimate GT games...
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#89 GSuser123
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[QUOTE="xionvalkyrie"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

Forza 3 has over 100 tracks.djestar
includes reverse tracks though

GT5's 1000 cars are more like 1 car with 20 variations.

Not really, and by your logic car companies like BMW only sell 9 cars...
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#90 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:GSuser123
Don't underestimate GT games...

over 17 million? that's more than 50% of current ps3 owners.... no way.
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#91 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"]it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:Rikusaki
Sure about that? I bet it will. Sales don't really matter that much anyway..

I would agree if sales wasn't directly part of the OP and title.
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#92 GSuser123
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[QUOTE="GSuser123"][QUOTE="Ontain"]it still won't outsell recent mariokarts :lol:Ontain
Don't underestimate GT games...

over 17 million? that's more than 50% of current ps3 owners.... no way.

...Not sure what to say to that, lol. I'm sure GT wont sell 17+ million day one, but considering the GT fanbase over the PS3's lifetime it will sell "a lot." Its kinda stupid what you said if you think about it.
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Sure about that? I bet it will. Sales don't really matter that much anyway..Rikusaki

Says te guy who claims that since the GT series has sold so many copies, it makes it good.

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[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Sure about that? I bet it will. Sales don't really matter that much anyway..foxhound_fox
Says te guy who claims that since the GT series has sold so many copies, it makes it good.

94% on GR makes it a good game, sales usually follow good games.
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94% on GR makes it a good game, sales usually follow good games. GSuser123

1) Aggregate scores are flawed. They don't take into account weighting or age of the review
2) Those reviews are merely just opinions of other people, they are not an objective quantity that can be applied to a game's "quality"
3) Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is the best-selling single of all-time... but even Elton himself would probably not consider it his "best" achievement

Sales don't follow good games. Look at Okami, fantastic review scores (92.43% average on GR) yet it has sold 390,000 copies (PS2 and Wii versions). Neither sales nor review scores are an indication of "quality."

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#96 GSuser123
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[QUOTE="GSuser123"]94% on GR makes it a good game, sales usually follow good games. foxhound_fox


1) Aggregate scores are flawed. They don't take into account weighting or age of the review
2) Those reviews are merely just opinions of other people, they are not an objective quantity that can be applied to a game's "quality"
3) Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" is the best-selling single of all-time... but even Elton himself would probably not consider it his "best" achievement

Sales don't follow good games. Look at Okami, fantastic review scores (92.43% average on GR) yet it has sold 390,000 copies. Neither sales nor review scores are an indication of "quality."

So what I got from this is sales and reviews dont matter to you the only thing you have to base everything you say is from your personal opinion and nothing more. Also I said "sales USUALLY follow good games" not always
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[...] sales and reviews dont matter to you the only thing you have to base everything you say is from your personal opinion and nothing more. [...]GSuser123

Yep. You got it. I can choose to take into account other people's opinions, but the only "facts" we have is our own personal experiences with the games. Reviews can help us determine if it might interest us, but they are not an objective fact that can be used in an argument.

What counts is what a game has in it and how it performs. A game with smooth 60fps and highly technical graphics is going to be "better" than a game that struggles to break 24fps and has blurry textures. But then again, it really won't matter if you don't enjoy the "better" game and prefer the "bad" one because you find it more fun.

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LOL, GT5 will not save the ps3. Nobody cares about rally cars in 2009 or 2010 or 2011, hmm when is GT5 coming out again? It will be a bigger flop than driver 2.

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Yeah, GT5 will sell alot!! For sure PS3 owners are starved for a good exclusive racing game :P

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[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="blackace"] I doubt it. I don't even think GT5 will make it out this year. GT5 Prologue did get a good rating and if GT5 is pretty close to that demo, people aren't going to buy it like they did with the other GT games on the PS2. GT5 Prologu sold just over 3 million worldwide and it took them awhile to get to that point. So don't expect GT5 to sell anywhere near GT3. Forza 3 is leaps ahead of it in features, AI, online features and realism. Prologue played similar to GT4 with better graphics. djestar

GT5 has a 1000 cars, 3 game modes, etc. It is leaps and bounds more features than gt5 p. It is going to sell 4 million first month most likely. Anyone who is saying this isn't goign to sell 8-12 million I think is insane. You need to get off this idea like cows believing X game is going to sell more than halo. This is the halo for PS3. It is goign to sell 3times as much as forza 3 at least. And the features aren't that much different between the 2 games. Outside of more user generated content and one more mode. I would say everything else is towards gt5. GT5 has 600 more cars, 80 tracks versus 50, 3 different racing games (WRC, Nascar, and tournament mode) and better graphics. I have no idea abuot physics and I doubt you do too about which one is better. So how could anyone say realism is different (and graphics are an aspect of this). I

Forza 3 has over 100 tracks.

100 tracks :S wouldnt you be meaning all the layouts in the track complexes? 100 tracks just seems too much to be true in my eyes.But 100 diffrent tracks is unlikely where as that would be more layouts wouldnt it?