GT5 Graphics Analysis

New footage from GamesCom has show a number of dissapointment for GT5.

The following is a short list:

* Car damage does not include paint scraping
* Car damage does not include deformation
* Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving.
* Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts.

There's also no tire deformation / simulation and still no telemetry.

Clearly, GT5 is a lot more arcady than most people realize. Calling it a simulator is becoming more of a stretch as we learn more about it.

So there are some clear shortcommings in the game. But what about the graphics? Unfortunately they don't hold up to current standars. Ignoring the fact that not having deformation and the above listed limitation makes running the game much easier (**) - let's see how the graphics have turned out and I'll leave it up to you guys to compare them to other titles.

** (for example, deformation requires more polygons to be drawn and processed) There's also no rewind which many racers now support and has been a next gen feature since the begining of this generation, going all the way back to Full Auto 1 from Sega. Having a Rewind feature makes things harder too, since you have to dedicate memory for it.


First, car model detail.


An easy way to spot a lot poly model is to look at surfaces on the car that should be rounded and smooth. If those areas are not smooth, it's make it obvious that geometric complexity is low, and that polygon counts are not high.

The easiest way to spot this in a racing game is in the wheels, since wheels are perfectly round, unless the polygon budget is at next gen levels, it will be immediately obvious that a low polygon model is used.

For reference, all footage is captured from this video:

http://gamersyde.com/news_gamescom_gt5_replay_video-8427_en.html (opens in new window)

Video Description:

Here comes what should be our definitive Gran Turismo 5 GamesCom video in terms of quality. This replay (so 30 fps) has gone through our lengthy process of HQ encoding and should be the closest to direct feed quality we'll release until we actually get the game. Enjoy!

Hmm...I've heard evidence to the contrary about the damage physics coming from hands-ons at GamesCom (that it actually can affect driving dynamics). And there's word about the game recognizing "terminal" or DNF-caliber damage, too. Sounds like we have differing opinions.

wasn't the gamescom demo an older demo and not how the game will actually look like when it's released?

Cool story, how long did this take you. If you over analyze anything you can make it seem disappointing or look bad. The fact is Gran turismo 5 looks just fined when your not zoomed in 300x. "* Car damage does not include paint scraping * Car damage does not include deformation * Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving. * Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts." All that has been proven wrong in the past few days. thanks for posting. someone lock this thread.Adrian_Cloud

Sorry buddy, none of the above images are zoomed at all. They are all straight from the game. They are just taken from shots where the objects are close to the camera.

This is raw evidence folks. You can burry your head in the sand if you want to but it won't change anything.

And none of those items have been debunked, they are all proven true right from the video. What are you going to believe, your own eyes showing you these things or second hand accounts from fanboys who probably weren't even in Germany to play the game hands on. In any case we wouldn't need their opinion even if they did since we have video evidence.

wasn't the gamescom demo an older demo and not how the game will actually look like when it's released?

danish-death

It was a new demo put together to show off the new damage model. So no, it's not an older version of the game.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Cool story, how long did this take you. If you over analyze anything you can make it seem disappointing or look bad. The fact is Gran turismo 5 looks just fined when your not zoomed in 300x. "* Car damage does not include paint scraping * Car damage does not include deformation * Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving. * Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts." All that has been proven wrong in the past few days. thanks for posting. someone lock this thread.ElNinjaLoco

Sorry buddy, none of the above images are zoomed at all. They are all straight from the game. They are just taken from shots where the objects are close to the camera.

This is raw evidence folks. You can burry your head in the sand if you want to but it won't change anything.

And none of those items have been debunked, they are all proven true right from the video. What are you going to believe, your own eyes showing you these things or second hand accounts from fanboys who probably weren't even in Germany to play the game hands on. In any case we wouldn't need their opinion even if they did since we have video evidence.

OMG... look at that. GT is FAIL, isn't it?? :roll:

[QUOTE="danish-death"]

wasn't the gamescom demo an older demo and not how the game will actually look like when it's released?

ElNinjaLoco

It was a new demo put together to show off the new damage model. So no, it's not an older version of the game.

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]Cool story, how long did this take you. If you over analyze anything you can make it seem disappointing or look bad. The fact is Gran turismo 5 looks just fined when your not zoomed in 300x. "* Car damage does not include paint scraping * Car damage does not include deformation * Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving. * Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts." All that has been proven wrong in the past few days. thanks for posting. someone lock this thread.Adrian_Cloud

Sorry buddy, none of the above images are zoomed at all. They are all straight from the game. They are just taken from shots where the objects are close to the camera.

This is raw evidence folks. You can burry your head in the sand if you want to but it won't change anything.

And none of those items have been debunked, they are all proven true right from the video. What are you going to believe, your own eyes showing you these things or second hand accounts from fanboys who probably weren't even in Germany to play the game hands on. In any case we wouldn't need their opinion even if they did since we have video evidence.

You believe others, or whatever you want to believe over your own eyes. You have zero credibility.

Man, this is too much...

*Goes into convulsions*

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

Sorry buddy, none of the above images are zoomed at all. They are all straight from the game. They are just taken from shots where the objects are close to the camera.

This is raw evidence folks. You can burry your head in the sand if you want to but it won't change anything.

And none of those items have been debunked, they are all proven true right from the video. What are you going to believe, your own eyes showing you these things or second hand accounts from fanboys who probably weren't even in Germany to play the game hands on. In any case we wouldn't need their opinion even if they did since we have video evidence.

ElNinjaLoco

You believe others, or whatever you want to believe over your own eyes. You have zero credibility.

So much ignorance. So much fail.

I'll believe other unlike yourself that were at Gamescon, I may have zero cred but they certainly do. But thanks for coming out, i can tell you put a lot of work in this. good job?Adrian_Cloud

Again, you don't need anyone's word when you have video proof. When somebody claims the didn't commit murder, and the cops have a video - who do they believe? The suspect or the video?

In your world, the suspect's word is better than the video.

It's obvious from your first post that this clear evidence hurts your soul so much, that all you want is to burry this thread and see it closed. So it's obvious that you're going to troll this thread in order to keep the truth out.

Here is proof that none of the images are zoomed up. A full resolution shot: Horrible shadows.

The game looks a lot better than that. IronBass

The game looks a lot better than that. IronBass

Agreed. The fail is strong too. Besides, can I see Forza with paint scraping?

More Evidence:

Full resolution shot, notice the low polygon model, plus low resolution textures.

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

AdoringFan_

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

This thread made me lol on so many levels.

First off, all the features you have just listed are not even in Forza either. 2nd off, Toppling has been confirmed for GT5 in which we havnt seen how much damage it can cause, also 3rd, Damage is INCOMPLETE (http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/g/gran-turismo-5/gran-turismo-5-s-damage-modelling-unfinished-$1320295.htm), and on a side note, GT5 looks gazillion times better than the pics you posted up :lol:

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hmmm... luckily my games move....thetruespin

I posted youtube videos. Looks horrible in motion too.

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

AdoringFan_

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

:lol:

I'm not gonna bother with you lemming. Nice ALT account ;)

This thread made me lol on so many levels.

First off, all the features you have just listed are not even in Forza either. 2nd off, Toppling has been confirmed for GT5 in which we havnt seen how much damage it can cause, also 3rd, Damage is INCOMPLETE (http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/g/gran-turismo-5/gran-turismo-5-s-damage-modelling-unfinished-$1320295.htm), and on a side note, GT5 looks gazillion times better than the pics you posted up :lol:

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Disturbed123

Your post only confirms that the damage show was last gen, and extremely limited. Yet others in here are swearing otherwise. It also confirms that the damage model does not affect car physics. Damaging the car only affects wheel alignment, which is not the same as simulated physics damage. You can't even blow out your transmission, and losing a bumper does not affect the areo dynamics.

Thus, it's last gen physics, last gen car damage.

u rite

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

AdoringFan_

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

:lol:

I'm not gonna bother with you lemming. Nice ALT account ;)

Typical strategy to claim ALT account. The evidence in this thread is clear. You know it's true when the butthurt is so bad, and every GT5 soldier comes racing in full fury.

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

ElNinjaLoco

:lol:

I'm not gonna bother with you lemming. Nice ALT account ;)

Typical strategy to claim ALT account. The evidence in this thread is clear. You know it's true when the butthurt is so bad, and every GT5 soldier comes racing in full fury.

Oh yea its true. Especially hearing it from a lemming with his ALT account :roll:

Enjoy no weather, night racing, and rally ;)

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

ElNinjaLoco

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

Gosh, amazing how lemmings pick on the smallest amount of detail and then criticise it :roll:

Hmm lets see if i can get onto lemmings level about Forza:

u rite

anshuk20002

Another flaw. The side view mirrors don't have volumetric shadows.

lololol @ last gen no fume exhaust

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

Disturbed123

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

Gosh, amazing how lemmings pick on the smallest amount of detail and then criticise it :roll:

Hmm lets see if i can get onto lemmings level about Forza:

:lol:

Just shows that hes trying waaay too hard just to put down GT5. Lemmings with their ALT account right? :roll:

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]

So using WM to get proof where it can get you the worst quality? :lol: Lemming

Disturbed123

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

Gosh, amazing how lemmings pick on the smallest amount of detail and then criticise it :roll:

Hmm lets see if i can get onto lemmings level about Forza:

that still doesnt change the fact that hes rite about gt5 graphics lol

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

This thread made me lol on so many levels.

First off, all the features you have just listed are not even in Forza either. 2nd off, Toppling has been confirmed for GT5 in which we havnt seen how much damage it can cause, also 3rd, Damage is INCOMPLETE (http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/g/gran-turismo-5/gran-turismo-5-s-damage-modelling-unfinished-$1320295.htm), and on a side note, GT5 looks gazillion times better than the pics you posted up :lol:

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ElNinjaLoco

Your post only confirms that the damage show was last gen, and extremely limited. Yet others in here are swearing otherwise. It also confirms that the damage model does not affect car physics. Damaging the car only affects wheel alignment, which is not the same as simulated physics damage. You can't even blow out your transmission, and losing a bumper does not affect the areo dynamics.

Thus, it's last gen physics, last gen car damage.

Ok,that makes Forza 3 the same right? Also, Forza 2 wasnt exactly anything ground breaking in damage. Air break didnt go up on the Mercedes SLR, crashing a Ferrari at 200mph+ with head on collision will only result you driving off with ease. There was never a time where the wheel came off or anything, INFACT, Toca Race Driver has far more detailed damage than Forza and forza 2 put together. If you think Forza can pull of even half the damage as the pictures below, then you sir are delusional

[QUOTE="AdoringFan_"]Nice ALT account ;)Oh_teh_Irony

LOL!!!!

Eveny funnier is that you will not find an ALT account for me because I don't have one.

that still doesnt change the fact that hes rite about gt5 graphics lol

anshuk20002

Exactly.

What's so funny is I wasn't even comparing GT5 to Forza.

The fanboy butthurt is incrediblely funny.

ElNinjaLoco

Thats such a stupid analogy :| Whats the harm in comparing a few games? I for 1 am comparing damage to Toca in which Forzawill and cant even match

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

This thread made me lol on so many levels.

First off, all the features you have just listed are not even in Forza either. 2nd off, Toppling has been confirmed for GT5 in which we havnt seen how much damage it can cause, also 3rd, Damage is INCOMPLETE (http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/g/gran-turismo-5/gran-turismo-5-s-damage-modelling-unfinished-$1320295.htm), and on a side note, GT5 looks gazillion times better than the pics you posted up :lol:

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Disturbed123

Your post only confirms that the damage show was last gen, and extremely limited. Yet others in here are swearing otherwise. It also confirms that the damage model does not affect car physics. Damaging the car only affects wheel alignment, which is not the same as simulated physics damage. You can't even blow out your transmission, and losing a bumper does not affect the areo dynamics.

Thus, it's last gen physics, last gen car damage.

Ok,that makes Forza 3 the same right? Also, Forza 2 wasnt exactly anything ground breaking in damage. Air break didnt go up on the Mercedes SLR, crashing a Ferrari at 200mph+ with head on collision will only result you driving off with ease. There was never a time where the wheel came off or anything, INFACT, Toca Race Driver has far more detailed damage than Forza and forza 2 put together. If you think Forza can pull of even half the damage as the pictures below, then you sir are delusional

We aren't talking about Forza 2. We aren't even talking about Forza 3.

And FYI, you obviously didn't play Forza 2 with full damange simulation turned on. If you crash at high speed, there's a very good chance your car won't even run and you'll have to restart the race. A point of frustration for hardcore games, which is why Forza 3 now has rewind so that ruining your car doesn't have to mean starting the race all over again.

Fail.

Nice man, graphics whores have too much time on their hands.

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

Poor video quality does not affect texture resolution and model detail.

Do you even realize that you're suggesting that video quality actually changes the assets of the cars in the game?

The things that are funny and fail in this thread are obvious.

anshuk20002

Gosh, amazing how lemmings pick on the smallest amount of detail and then criticise it :roll:

Hmm lets see if i can get onto lemmings level about Forza:

that still doesnt change the fact that hes rite about gt5 graphics lol

just shows how rubbish forza 3 really looks :lol:

[QUOTE="Disturbed123"]

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

Your post only confirms that the damage show was last gen, and extremely limited. Yet others in here are swearing otherwise. It also confirms that the damage model does not affect car physics. Damaging the car only affects wheel alignment, which is not the same as simulated physics damage. You can't even blow out your transmission, and losing a bumper does not affect the areo dynamics.

Thus, it's last gen physics, last gen car damage.

ElNinjaLoco

Ok,that makes Forza 3 the same right? Also, Forza 2 wasnt exactly anything ground breaking in damage. Air break didnt go up on the Mercedes SLR, crashing a Ferrari at 200mph+ with head on collision will only result you driving off with ease. There was never a time where the wheel came off or anything, INFACT, Toca Race Driver has far more detailed damage than Forza and forza 2 put together. If you think Forza can pull of even half the damage as the pictures below, then you sir are delusional

We aren't talking about Forza 2. We aren't even talking about Forza 3.

And FYI, you obviously didn't play Forza 2 with full damange simulation turned on. If you crash at high speed, there's a very good chance your car won't even run and you'll have to restart the race. A point of frustration for hardcore games, which is why Forza 3 now has rewind so that ruining your car doesn't have to mean starting the race all over again.

Fail.

Im doing a general comparison, and even if your engine doesnt turn on, the cosmetic damage for the car is a job will never match even half of what the pictures ive shown above.

Fail!

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

What's so funny is I wasn't even comparing GT5 to Forza.

The fanboy butthurt is incrediblely funny.

Disturbed123

Thats such a stupid analogy :| Whats the harm in comparing a few games? I for 1 am comparing damage to Toca in which Forzawill and cant even match

Which is still completely off topic. This thread compares GT5 to other games that are also on the PS3, so that completely rules out Forza my friend. Did you even read the original post or are you blinded by your rage?