GT5 Graphics Analysis

5 years of development time doesn't mean a game should look better, its easy to tell with more cars in the game, and on track and running at 1080p@60fps that polyphony has been busy. Plus with Nascar and WRC they really had a lot more to do than just upgrade graphics from GT: P. anyhow both games looks good.Adrian_Cloud

5 years of development time doesn't mean a game should look better, its easy to tell with more cars in the game, and on track and running at 1080p@60fps that polyphony has been busy. Plus with Nascar and WRC they really had a lot more to do than just upgrade graphics from GT: P. anyhow both games looks good.Adrian_Cloud

interesting comment, especially after you made this one yesterday

1080p 60fps, Interior detailing, driver likenesses, car reflections, lighting. Its a pretty big difference, i guess we'll have to wait and see. I really think i'm going to hold out on these threads now till at least a demo of these games are released. Have fun debating guys.

Adrian_Cloud

you lasted less than a day.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"]5 years of development time doesn't mean a game should look better, its easy to tell with more cars in the game, and on track and running at 1080p@60fps that polyphony has been busy. Plus with Nascar and WRC they really had a lot more to do than just upgrade graphics from GT: P. anyhow both games looks good.marklarmer

interesting comment, especially after you made this one yesterday

1080p 60fps, Interior detailing, driver likenesses, car reflections, lighting. Its a pretty big difference, i guess we'll have to wait and see. I really think i'm going to hold out on these threads now till at least a demo of these games are released. Have fun debating guys.

Adrian_Cloud

you lasted less than a day.

Your sig is somehow disturbing, but I can't stop looking at it for some reason.

What is it?

Your sig is somehow disturbing, but I can't stop looking at it for some reason.

What is it?

NielsNL

its just the G-Man in Garrys Mod. Great, now i can't stop looking at it.:?

[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

they are just gonna say, well u cant notice these things while ur driving in the game so who cares? but then why hype up the graphics when in reality, its not that good. iono iono

ElNinjaLoco

Exactly. A good looking game will look good from all angles, not just cherry picked ones.

5 years of development time doesn't mean a game should look better, its easy to tell with more cars in the game, and on track and running at 1080p@60fps that polyphony has been busy. Plus with Nascar and WRC they really had a lot more to do than just upgrade graphics from GT: P. anyhow both games looks good.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

they are just gonna say, well u cant notice these things while ur driving in the game so who cares? but then why hype up the graphics when in reality, its not that good. iono iono

Aclar00_basic

Exactly. A good looking game will look good from all angles, not just cherry picked ones.

I agree with this and I hate to bring this graphical master piece up, but even Crysis has a few "gray" areas that look terrible and are low res. The reason for this si that nobody is ever going to be looking at these areas or ultra zooming in on them. Before Crysis fanboys come I play the game on Very High at 1080p. I'm just saying there are a select few places like really high up in the mountains were there are no textures.

[QUOTE="Aclar00_basic"][QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

Exactly. A good looking game will look good from all angles, not just cherry picked ones.

I agree with this and I hate to bring this graphical master piece up, but even Crysis has a few "gray" areas that look terrible and are low res. The reason for this si that nobody is ever going to be looking at these areas or ultra zooming in on them. Before Crysis fanboys come I play the game on Very High at 1080p. I'm just saying there are a select few places like really high up in the mountains were there are no textures.

From what I've seen.

Forza looks really good.

Gran turismo tries to be really realistic, whereas forza has a slightly cartoonishness to it. It's not all oversaturated, too contrasting, like gt5 looks.

So, While, gt5, looks really realistic at points. Going by these pictures, and prolouge, The graphics are unconsistent.

Whereas forza just tries to be really detailed, look nice, be complete and more consistent sistent it seems.

Thats just based on what I know, and my personal oppinions.

Both looks great, I'm buying both. So, I win =)

From what I've seen.

Forza looks really good.

Gran turismo tries to be really realistic, whereas forza has a slightly cartoonishness to it. It's not all oversaturated, too contrasting, like gt5 looks.

So, While, gt5, looks really realistic at points. Going by these pictures, and prolouge, The graphics are unconsistent.

Whereas forza just tries to be really detailed, look nice, be complete and more consistent sistent it seems.

Thats just based on what I know, and my personal oppinions.

Both looks great, I'm buying both. So, I win =)

From what I've seen.

Forza looks really good.

Gran turismo tries to be really realistic, whereas forza has a slightly cartoonishness to it. It's not all oversaturated, too contrasting, like gt5 looks.

So, While, gt5, looks really realistic at points. Going by these pictures, and prolouge, The graphics are unconsistent.

Whereas forza just tries to be really detailed, look nice, be complete and more consistent sistent it seems.

Thats just based on what I know, and my personal oppinions.

Both looks great, I'm buying both. So, I win =)

Tobin09

I love your sig. Great taste.

I've seen gameplay footages of both games and GT5 looks better without a doubt. Forza 3 has a plastic look on the cars.

Wassmansdorff

you do realize that the game isnt dont yet? PD has said that the damage shown is just the beginning of whats to come. Also GT5 Prologue uses 200k polys on the cars. so dont even talk about GT5 graphics. GT5 graphics is a tad better then forza 3 because of the amazing lighting used. Revolution316

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]

I've seen gameplay footages of both games and GT5 looks better without a doubt. Forza 3 has a plastic look on the cars.

Nedemis

[QUOTE="Tobin09"]

From what I've seen.

Forza looks really good.

Gran turismo tries to be really realistic, whereas forza has a slightly cartoonishness to it. It's not all oversaturated, too contrasting, like gt5 looks.

So, While, gt5, looks really realistic at points. Going by these pictures, and prolouge, The graphics are unconsistent.

Whereas forza just tries to be really detailed, look nice, be complete and more consistent sistent it seems.

Thats just based on what I know, and my personal oppinions.

Both looks great, I'm buying both. So, I win =)

floridaskater05

I use the MS wheel, And it took several months, but I am now faster and more consistent with the wheel.
Once you go wheel, you never go back.

Granted I have a playseat/buttkicker attatched to it.

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]

I've seen gameplay footages of both games and GT5 looks better without a doubt. Forza 3 has a plastic look on the cars.

Nedemis

GT5 runs at 1080p 60 fps

dirt 2 runs at 720p 30 fps

GT5 runs at 1080p 60 fps

dirt 2 runs at 720p 30 fps

GT5 runs at 1080p 60 fps

dirt 2 runs at 720p 30 fps

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]

I've seen gameplay footages of both games and GT5 looks better without a doubt. Forza 3 has a plastic look on the cars.

Revolution316

GT5 runs at 1080p 60 fps

dirt 2 runs at 720p 30 fps

[QUOTE="decoppel"][QUOTE="Tobin09"] gt5 isn't full 1080p, I don't think I"m pretty sure the horizontal is alot smaller, and upscaled, So it's more like 720P, but a little higher, Forza 3 is 720P I belive, But hey, the cockpit is 60FPS now, the e3 build had it at 60Shattered007

Arcade is collecting stuff while driving, slow motion, crashes, bonus, boost meter, and REWIND! Sims are clearly different then arcade racers. Which racing game do you prefer?

5 years of development time doesn't mean a game should look better, its easy to tell with more cars in the game, and on track and running at 1080p@60fps that polyphony has been busy. Plus with Nascar and WRC they really had a lot more to do than just upgrade graphics from GT: P. anyhow both games looks good.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="decoppel"] Pretty sure GT5 is going to end up native 1080p/60fpsdecoppel

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="banana-pie"]

GT5 runs at 1080p 60 fps

dirt 2 runs at 720p 30 fps

decoppel

it wont.

GT5 is 1280x1080 2x AA in game 60fps

its 1920x1080 2x AA 60fps in the garage and during replays. which is normal for a racing game most bump up the res and effects during replays.

New footage from GamesCom has show a number of dissapointment for GT5.

The following is a short list:

* Car damage does not include paint scraping
* Car damage does not include deformation
* Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving.
* Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts.

ElNinjaLoco

False.

Even ignoring the fact that it's a demo build, that isn't true - we've heard from several sources that when sufficiently hammered the car loses significant speed and handling abilities.

Video

Skip to 2:10

After the pile up on the last turn, he can't get over 154KMH on the straight.

Here was me thinking that after 5 years in development GT5 would look better than Forza 3, boy was i wrong.

Polophony are past they're prime.

aero250

Notice how there is only one car in each of those screens and how the polygon count on the models is insanely high. Also notice that there is absolutely no aliasing on the entire screen.

I don't care what you say. If you are trying to pass that as in-game... hah.

I call it a bullshot.

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

New footage from GamesCom has show a number of dissapointment for GT5.

The following is a short list:

* Car damage does not include paint scraping
* Car damage does not include deformation
* Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving.
* Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts.

Rikusaki

False.

Even ignoring the fact that it's a demo build, that isn't true - we've heard from several sources that when sufficiently hammered the car loses significant speed and handling abilities.

Video

Skip to 2:10

After the pile up on the last turn, he can't get over 154KMH on the straight.

[QUOTE="aero250"]

Here was me thinking that after 5 years in development GT5 would look better than Forza 3, boy was i wrong.

Polophony are past they're prime.

Notice how there is only one car in each of those screens and how the polygon count on the models is insanely high. Also notice that there is absolutely no aliasing on the entire screen.

I don't care what you say. If you are trying to pass that as in-game... hah.

I call it a bullshot.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Your sig is somehow disturbing, but I can't stop looking at it for some reason.

What is it?

marklarmer

its just the G-Man in Garrys Mod. Great, now i can't stop looking at it.:?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="ElNinjaLoco"]

New footage from GamesCom has show a number of dissapointment for GT5.

The following is a short list:

* Car damage does not include paint scraping
* Car damage does not include deformation
* Car damage is cosmetic only, does not affect drivability or physics. So you can hit a wall at 200 MPH and still keep driving.
* Car damage limited to body panels, bumpers etc, which do not scrap paint, do not deform etc. So pieces break off but they don't even scratch or deform / crumple from impacts.

HuusAsking

False.

Even ignoring the fact that it's a demo build, that isn't true - we've heard from several sources that when sufficiently hammered the car loses significant speed and handling abilities.

Video

Skip to 2:10

After the pile up on the last turn, he can't get over 154KMH on the straight.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="aero250"]

Here was me thinking that after 5 years in development GT5 would look better than Forza 3, boy was i wrong.

Polophony are past they're prime.

Tobin09

Notice how there is only one car in each of those screens and how the polygon count on the models is insanely high. Also notice that there is absolutely no aliasing on the entire screen.

I don't care what you say. If you are trying to pass that as in-game... hah.

I call it a bullshot.

In-game assets, not touched up outside of game, just in-game with supersampling.

But we all know it doesn't look that perfect when you play it.

It looks more like this:

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="aero250"]

Here was me thinking that after 5 years in development GT5 would look better than Forza 3, boy was i wrong.

Polophony are past they're prime.

Tobin09

Notice how there is only one car in each of those screens and how the polygon count on the models is insanely high. Also notice that there is absolutely no aliasing on the entire screen.

I don't care what you say. If you are trying to pass that as in-game... hah.

I call it a bullshot.

The thing is, is that forza only adds AA with is already at 4X is might jump to 8X or 16X but really 4x is good enough. No more polys are added.

[QUOTE="Tobin09"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Posting photomode screens again...

Notice how there is only one car in each of those screens and how the polygon count on the models is insanely high. Also notice that there is absolutely no aliasing on the entire screen.

I don't care what you say. If you are trying to pass that as in-game... hah.

I call it a bullshot.

Threebabycows

The thing is, is that forza only adds AA with is already at 4X is might jump to 8X or 16X but really 4x is good enough. No more polys are added.

[QUOTE="Threebabycows"]

[QUOTE="Tobin09"] I call it photomode. It will be replicateable with the ingame photomode, is all ingame assets, is not touched up otside of game. Not bullshot BUT, Almost everyone is aware that it is not represenative of gameplay, and that the models are displayed at a way higer LOD than gameplay. Touched up by dev outside of game= bullshotsSyn_Valence

The thing is, is that forza only adds AA with is already at 4X is might jump to 8X or 16X but really 4x is good enough. No more polys are added.

Pretty old build as well.

I'm not mathematician but I count 6 decoppel

Well, whatever close enough, is it really a big deal?

[QUOTE="decoppel"]I'm not mathematician but I count 6 Threebabycows

Well, whatever close enough, is it really a big deal?

Heres a compressed, muddy, resized pic out of a youtube video. From the e3 build we have already seen big improvement from.

I agree with this and I hate to bring this graphical master piece up, but even Crysis has a few "gray" areas that look terrible and are low res. The reason for this si that nobody is ever going to be looking at these areas or ultra zooming in on them. Before Crysis fanboys come I play the game on Very High at 1080p. I'm just saying there are a select few places like really high up in the mountains were there are no textures.

bigblunt537

This.

If you nitpick enough, you can find visual flaws in any game.

Heres a compressed, muddy, resized pic out of a youtube video. From the e3 build we have already seen big improvement from.

Tobin09