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#1 Marcbarr1
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I have been playing GT5 for the last 2 days and nights and have realised that the game and polyphony digital are pushing the PS3 to far. I can really appreciate PD's ambition but they need to realise the PS3 is not as powerful as sony claim.

The game is sacrificing track detail to get so many cars on the track. I would rather have 6 or 8 cars on track if it give me better track details like 3D trees and skid marks. The track tarmac is lacking and the trees are last generation 2D.

The front end and presentation are first class but there is slowdown and screen tear. I know its a demo but I do't think PD will pull it off.

I think TURN10 will have forza3 nearly completed by the time GT5 comes out and it will most likely build on what was missing in forza2.

Where are the reverse lights, permanent skid marks on track, realistic tyre noises, proper engine sounds, turbo whine when using turbo cars, full camera control around car when playing 3rd person,the decent opponent A.I.?

The london track has slowdown even with only 1 car and poor trackside detail and the building detail and texture is quite poor compared to PGR4's london.

Polyphont digital really,really has its work cut out.

The crowds and spectators are pathetic. Maybe PGR4 and forza 2 has spoiled me to much and I was expecting to much from GT5 but GT5 is meant to be the daddy of racing games. By the quality of and (I know its a demo) this my attitudes are not optimistic.

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everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.
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#3 C_BozkurT_C
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everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.daveg1
care to elaborate?
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#4 Omnisystem
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You rather look at dirt while you are driving a gorgeous car instead of looking at the car???
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#5 EnigmaticBeauty
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It's a fricking demo of a game that has been done countless of times, so I'm pretty sure the developers know what they are doing by now for this trash.
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#6 -CheeseEater-
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everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.daveg1
It's asuper computer dammit!
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[QUOTE="daveg1"]everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.C_BozkurT_C
care to elaborate?

super computer, 2nd comming of christ...god it self? seems to be the common concensus between all thats been said by sony about the ps3.

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I have been playing GT5 for the last 2 days and nights and have realised that the game and polyphony digital are pushing the PS3 to far. I can really appreciate PD's ambition but they need to realise the PS3 is not as powerful as sony claim.

The game is sacrificing track detail to get so many cars on the track. I would rather have 6 or 8 cars on track if it give me better track details like 3D trees and skid marks. The track tarmac is lacking and the trees are last generation 2D.

The front end and presentation are first class but there is slowdown and screen tear. I know its a demo but I do't think PD will pull it off.

I think TURN10 will have forza3 nearly completed by the time GT5 comes out and it will most likely build on what was missing in forza2.

Where are the reverse lights, permanent skid marks on track, realistic tyre noises, proper engine sounds, turbo whine when using turbo cars, full camera control around car when playing 3rd person,the decent opponent A.I.?

The london track has slowdown even with only 1 car and poor trackside detail and the building detail and texture is quite poor compared to PGR4's london.

Polyphont digital really,really has its work cut out.

The crowds and spectators are pathetic. Maybe PGR4 and forza 2 has spoiled me to much and I was expecting to much from GT5 but GT5 is meant to be the daddy of racing games. By the quality of and (I know its a demo) this my attitudes are not optimistic.

Marcbarr1

We must be playing different games...The reference to xbox games tell us where you come from. Nice try.

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You rather look at dirt while you are driving a gorgeous car instead of looking at the car???Omnisystem

If you are using the in car view or the bumper camera view you wont be seeing your car, so scenery is important. I see your point here though because the majority of casual gamers are only interested in how the cars look and they buy the bulk of GT.

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TC has NO idea what his talking about.

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[QUOTE="daveg1"]everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.C_BozkurT_C
care to elaborate?

4D and 120fps.

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#12 Forensic-Klown
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[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="daveg1"]everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.Supafly1

care to elaborate?

4D and 120fps.

wasn't 120fps concerning video?

4D is possible...just not in that particular way many think it is.

but SONY need to stop talking and show stuff, like MS...both company's can be idiots...who cares.

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[QUOTE="daveg1"]everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.C_BozkurT_C
care to elaborate?

hmmm lets see.....3x more powerful then 360, can do 120FPS with 4-D at 1080p.........

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#14 heroofwinds1
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gran turismo games are not the best racing games anymore.many other are a lot better like gtr2,forza motorsport and progect gotham racing.this game is quantity over quality and with this way it tries to win everyone who does not know what a great racing is or someone that still tries to convince himself that ps3 is something more than a blu ray player.
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#15 Cbok
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Its an incomplete game FFS. There is plently of power left in the PS3 to make the backgrounds better and to eliminate the slowdown. There is barely any screen tearing at all. When GT5 comes out the fanboys will be pwned /rant
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[QUOTE="Supafly1"]

[QUOTE="C_BozkurT_C"][QUOTE="daveg1"]everyone needs to realise the ps3 isnt what sonys claims.Forensic-Klown

care to elaborate?

4D and 120fps.

wasn't 120fps concerning video?

4D is possible...just not in that particular way many think it is.

but SONY need to stop talking and show stuff, like MS...both company's can be idiots...who cares.

Yeah, but this is SW. You take a quote, cut it in half, and PWN a company.
You are right, who cares.

Gimme the goods.

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#17 Always-Honest
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I have been playing GT5 PROLOGUE for the last 2 days

Marcbarr1

fixed...

and agreed, i would NEVER buy this unfinished game and there are lots of thing that need to be improved before i'd even CONSIDER buying GT5

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#18 Martin_G_N
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GT 5 Prologue is a big demo version, there is still over a year before the whole game is out. So there is a lot of time for otimizing it. Polyphony is one of the first to use over 50% of the power in the PS3, so I can't really see the problem here, there is still a lot more power in that shiny box.
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#19 360ru13r
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Key word it'a a demo they will fix your supposed problem. To tell you the truth FM2 had boring backgrounds to
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#20 girlpowerz
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Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.
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#21 thrones
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Wait..I haven't noticed any slowdown...and while the enviroment models ain't PGR standards, the car models are the best and if you're playing Gran Turismo, aren't you playing it for the car p***?
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Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz
Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

LOl, this {demo} costs 40.00. I would think it would be somewhat finished, and the full version will have added content. Fanboys are funny when the heavenly sword demo came out, everyone said "its a demo the graphics and game will change" Bhahahahhah That was a exact level from the the game nothing changed. Y ou fanboys will be owned when the real gt5 comes out and the graphics still suck besides the cars. IM still not impressed with my ps3.

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[QUOTE="girlpowerz"]Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.lolkie_81

Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

LOl, this {demo} costs 40.00. I would think it would be somewhat finished, and the full version will have added content. Fanboys are funny when the heavenly sword demo came out, everyone said "its a demo the graphics and game will change" Bhahahahhah That was a exact level from the the game nothing changed. Y ou fanboys will be owned when the real gt5 comes out and the graphics still suck besides the cars. IM still not impressed with my ps3.

It is still a good game and worth £20 in my opinion, it's alot more content packed than games such as Motorstorm.

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I think it's fantastic. I'm only using a pad aswell. I would love to try this game with a G25 wheel.
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4D - Related to Time - Can be done

120FPS - Proven by Devil May Cry 4 team it can be done. DMC4 was capable of running at 120FPS on Ps3 and PC, but restricted it to 60 because 120 is not exactly noticable to the naked eye. (Edge mag, PSM)

At the moment, i still think Uncharted is pushin PS3 more than GT5.

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[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]You rather look at dirt while you are driving a gorgeous car instead of looking at the car???csliney

If you are using the in car view or the bumper camera view you wont be seeing your car, so scenery is important. I see your point here though because the majority of casual gamers are only interested in how the cars look and they buy the bulk of GT.

Not to mention that even in 3rd person view you need to look at the scene as whole. You are trying to race right? You need to pay attention.
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#27 Always-Honest
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Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

10 x better?.. do you REALLY think that. i hope it does. but i have a sneaky suspision it will look about the same....

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4D - Related to Time - Can be done

120FPS - Proven by Devil May Cry 4 team it can be done. DMC4 was capable of running at 120FPS on Ps3 and PC, but restricted it to 60 because 120 is not exactly noticable to the naked eye. (Edge mag, PSM)

At the moment, i still think Uncharted is pushin PS3 more than GT5.

RazMaTaz-1

4D is time but everything you do and see in a game is still 2D, it's only an illusion of 3D.

Until we have real 3D games and not looking on a screen with the illusion of 3D that's only really 2D then we can possible talk about the illusion of 4D in games.

If we humans can't see or live in the forth dimension how are games possibly going to play in that dimension?


Give it up Sony lied in that statement and the only way you can spin this is claiming that 4D is time traveling or that time effects objects in the world to change, even though it's still 3D and that games have been doing this since the snes and possibly older so it's not something should be bragging about anyway.
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What slowdown are you talking about? I've never seen any type of fps lagging in this game, and London is my most played level. I don't know what the heck people are expecting from the levels detail wise. Its LONDON.
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#30 girlpowerz
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[QUOTE="girlpowerz"]Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.lolkie_81

Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

LOl, this {demo} costs 40.00. I would think it would be somewhat finished, and the full version will have added content. Fanboys are funny when the heavenly sword demo came out, everyone said "its a demo the graphics and game will change" Bhahahahhah That was a exact level from the the game nothing changed. Y ou fanboys will be owned when the real gt5 comes out and the graphics still suck besides the cars. IM still not impressed with my ps3.

Then why buy a PS3? If you're not impressed with it, there's that other option...

The GT series has proven itself to be really, really good. If you're going by just graphics and not gameplay, then I feel very sorry for you. The game is still worth money...unless you wanted the graphics to be *so* perfect that heaven forbid there's a little bit of clipping and then it's crap.

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What I find funny in this thread is that it contradicts everything cows have been saying up to this point.

Cows- It's a DEMO so it's not perfect.

Me- So a demo costs $40?

Cows- NO, it's not a demo it's prologue!

Me- so your basically paying for a BETA?

Cows- NO it is a game with more content than most games out there.

Me- But you called it a demo a moment ago that's why the flaws of this prologue was acceptable.

Then repeat.
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What I find funny in this thread is that it contradicts everything cows have been saying up to this point.

Cows- It's a DEMO so it's not perfect.

Me- So a demo costs $40?

Cows- NO, it's not a demo it's prologue!

Me- so your basically paying for a BETA?

Cows- NO it is a game with more content than most games out there.

Me- But you called it a demo a moment ago that's why the flaws of this prologue was acceptable.

Then repeat.JLF1

that's so true.

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#33 lolkie_81
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[QUOTE="lolkie_81"]

[QUOTE="girlpowerz"]Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

Lol, it's a demo. The real one will look ten times as better.girlpowerz

LOl, this {demo} costs 40.00. I would think it would be somewhat finished, and the full version will have added content. Fanboys are funny when the heavenly sword demo came out, everyone said "its a demo the graphics and game will change" Bhahahahhah That was a exact level from the the game nothing changed. Y ou fanboys will be owned when the real gt5 comes out and the graphics still suck besides the cars. IM still not impressed with my ps3.

Then why buy a PS3? If you're not impressed with it, there's that other option...

The GT series has proven itself to be really, really good. If you're going by just graphics and not gameplay, then I feel very sorry for you. The game is still worth money...unless you wanted the graphics to be *so* perfect that heaven forbid there's a little bit of clipping and then it's crap.

I dont go by graphics. The fanboys have been hyping these graphics for months. Now that its out They cant hide behind doctored screen shots. I dont have this game I wont pay 40.00 for a unfinished game. I have seen it. Maybe if you had a 360 as well you, wouldnt be impressed with you ps3 as much either. I also bought it for bluray. Bluray rocks!

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[QUOTE="JLF1"]What I find funny in this thread is that it contradicts everything cows have been saying up to this point.

Cows- It's a DEMO so it's not perfect.

Me- So a demo costs $40?

Cows- NO, it's not a demo it's prologue!

Me- so your basically paying for a BETA?

Cows- NO it is a game with more content than most games out there.

Me- But you called it a demo a moment ago that's why the flaws of this prologue was acceptable.

Then repeat.Always-Honest

that's so true.

Lmao, Ps3 fanboys will continue to be owned as this gen goes on. I really dont think the ps3 has all the "hidden power " that will be tapped. Anybody with all three consoles :like me: can tell the ps3 is the worst system so far. Even the wii has better games atm, if you dont count multiplait games. I buy those for the 360.

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#35 Always-Honest
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Even the wii has better games atm, if you dont count multiplait games. I buy those for the 360.

lolkie_81

well, the PS3 has some great games imo. And i'll but the multi plat game that is best.. i don't care on what console.

UT3 on PS3 becaus eof mods and because i don't want to wait. Burnout on PS3 because of the slightly better reported framerate (though imo both versions are exactly the same.. well done criterion!!).

all three systems have great games. to bad some people miss out for the wrong reasons. I can understand if people thik it's too expensive to own all three.

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I have been playing GT5 for the last 2 days and nights and have realised that the game and polyphony digital are pushing the PS3 to far. I can really appreciate PD's ambition but they need to realise the PS3 is not as powerful as sony claim.

The game is sacrificing track detail to get so many cars on the track. I would rather have 6 or 8 cars on track if it give me better track details like 3D trees and skid marks. The track tarmac is lacking and the trees are last generation 2D.

The front end and presentation are first class but there is slowdown and screen tear. I know its a demo but I do't think PD will pull it off.

I think TURN10 will have forza3 nearly completed by the time GT5 comes out and it will most likely build on what was missing in forza2.

Where are the reverse lights, permanent skid marks on track, realistic tyre noises, proper engine sounds, turbo whine when using turbo cars, full camera control around car when playing 3rd person,the decent opponent A.I.?

The london track has slowdown even with only 1 car and poor trackside detail and the building detail and texture is quite poor compared to PGR4's london.

Polyphont digital really,really has its work cut out.

The crowds and spectators are pathetic. Maybe PGR4 and forza 2 has spoiled me to much and I was expecting to much from GT5 but GT5 is meant to be the daddy of racing games. By the quality of and (I know its a demo) this my attitudes are not optimistic.

Marcbarr1

If you think the PS3 has reached its limits, then you got sometihng coming at you.GT5 does not push the PS3 to its limits.

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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]What I find funny in this thread is that it contradicts everything cows have been saying up to this point.

Cows- It's a DEMO so it's not perfect.

Me- So a demo costs $40?

Cows- NO, it's not a demo it's prologue!

Me- so your basically paying for a BETA?

Cows- NO it is a game with more content than most games out there.

Me- But you called it a demo a moment ago that's why the flaws of this prologue was acceptable.

Then repeat.lolkie_81

that's so true.

Lmao, Ps3 fanboys will continue to be owned as this gen goes on. I really dont think the ps3 has all the "hidden power " that will be tapped. Anybody with all three consoles :like me: can tell the ps3 is the worst system so far. Even the wii has better games atm, if you dont count multiplait games. I buy those for the 360.

I cant wait until the PS3 detroyies the 360 this year cause i will like to rub it in Lemmings faces so bad.

Face it the PS3 will take that 2nd spot behind the Wii very shortly.

Plus, GT5 Prologue is not a demo nor a game, its a prequel to the full game.

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#38 Always-Honest
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its a prequel to the full game.

Sony_92

it's a small part of a hopefully far from finished game

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#39 RazMaTaz-1
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4D - Related to Time - Can be done

120FPS - Proven by Devil May Cry 4 team it can be done. DMC4 was capable of running at 120FPS on Ps3 and PC, but restricted it to 60 because 120 is not exactly noticable to the naked eye. (Edge mag, PSM)

At the moment, i still think Uncharted is pushin PS3 more than GT5.

JLF1


4D is time but everything you do and see in a game is still 2D, it's only an illusion of 3D.

Until we have real 3D games and not looking on a screen with the illusion of 3D that's only really 2D then we can possible talk about the illusion of 4D in games.

If we humans can't see or live in the forth dimension how are games possibly going to play in that dimension?


Give it up Sony lied in that statement and the only way you can spin this is claiming that 4D is time traveling or that time effects objects in the world to change, even though it's still 3D and that games have been doing this since the snes and possibly older so it's not something should be bragging about anyway.

Just something i studied in Vectors regarding 4d:

Rotating shadow of a tesseract rotating on a single axis

Maybe this will explain what 4d is? (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7997/whatis4d.html)

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#40 Sony_92
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[QUOTE="Sony_92"]

its a prequel to the full game.

Always-Honest

it's a small part of a hopefully far from finished game

Pretty much, its like an appetizer of the real game

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#41 Always-Honest
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[QUOTE="Always-Honest"][QUOTE="Sony_92"]

its a prequel to the full game.

Sony_92

it's a small part of a hopefully far from finished game

Pretty much, its like an appetizer of the real game

for fans it probably is. for me it's an expensive unfinshed game...

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#42 Ibacai
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Are you saying the PS3 is already maxed out, TC? If so, be prepared for a lot of laughs.
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#43 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="RazMaTaz-1"]

4D - Related to Time - Can be done

120FPS - Proven by Devil May Cry 4 team it can be done. DMC4 was capable of running at 120FPS on Ps3 and PC, but restricted it to 60 because 120 is not exactly noticable to the naked eye. (Edge mag, PSM)

At the moment, i still think Uncharted is pushin PS3 more than GT5.

RazMaTaz-1


4D is time but everything you do and see in a game is still 2D, it's only an illusion of 3D.

Until we have real 3D games and not looking on a screen with the illusion of 3D that's only really 2D then we can possible talk about the illusion of 4D in games.

If we humans can't see or live in the forth dimension how are games possibly going to play in that dimension?


Give it up Sony lied in that statement and the only way you can spin this is claiming that 4D is time traveling or that time effects objects in the world to change, even though it's still 3D and that games have been doing this since the snes and possibly older so it's not something should be bragging about anyway.

Just something i studied in Vectors regarding 4d:

Rotating shadow of a tesseract rotating on a single axis

Maybe this will explain what 4d is? (http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7997/whatis4d.html)


That is still 2D. Until you can touch it it's 2D.

That is only the concept of the forth dimension. You can't do this in games.
We can't have 4D in our world as we can only live and see in 3D.

How are games going to be in the fourth dimension when we and everything that's living in our world can't?

Now tell me as you claim you know what 4D is. How are games going to use this?
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#44 legol1
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what i found totally crazy about gt5p its the time it take to create content for it and it seem it need even more time to polish it .

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i'm sorry but i find it hard to believe you got the game when all you talk about is visual so some fanboys have something to suck on, man people are pathetic these days
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#46 razu_gamer2
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wow, and i thought graphic whores can get no worse.
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#47 cobragt4
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I know people have their opinions and what not but the opinions of people who have gotten gt5p forreal mentioned how the physics and graphics were amazing, how the sound was amazing but could be better. yet you say nothing about physics, sound, just graphics so your fellow fanboys can have something to feel good about, pathetic. i have seen gt5p in motion, not in person might i add but i have seen great quality vids and the game looks amazing. you act as if pgr4 have the best enviroments ever when it doesnt. the tarmac in pgr4 is the only thing i desire for gt5p but who really pays attention to it when their driving, who plays attention to the trees. the trees might become 3d later down the line since there is 3d grass now. as for the london tracks for pgr4 and gt5p, i found gt5ps to look more realistic but i will say pgr4 has some what better geometry of the buildings but the lighting sucks. lighting in gt5p makes gt5p look so real
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#48 deactivated-57a12126af02c
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Just keep the hate coming.
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#49 lowe0
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I love how it's a demo when talking about what's missing, and a full game when talking about the price. Pick a side, Sony fans.
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#50 AIH_PSP
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Remember, the PS3 still hasn't been optimized fully. Expect the full GT5 to be better than this.