GTA is for kids. (56k beware)

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

GarchomPro

I know, I would EXPECT too.

But EXPECTING doesn't mean it will happen. It never does.

So all content rating systems are flawed and useless? Should we just get rid of all rating systems and put the adult porn movies with the Thomas the Tank Engine videos and leave it like that. Yeah, that would be a happy world. No control, no morals, no order. Looks like the bible is right.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? Willy105

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.PS3OwnsYou

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

most the games you call kiddy are for EVERYONE.

just like the box says

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? Willy105

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Sorry, this is a bit of an off-topic question - but what negative situations could arise from a child watching like... an R rated movie with their parents (other than the akward sex scene or two in the presence of the parents that scars the child emotionally for life). I am not trying to rock the morality boat... well actually I am, I don't understand what the issue is - I mean as long as it is something that wont scare the crap out of the kid, let them watch it, and explain to them what is going on. I genuinely feel that proper communication with your child is 100x more important than blatantly banning certain productions from the household, that just makes them want to play it/watch it more.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? martin_f

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Who said anything about killing people? This isn't a thread about that. This is thread about kids_playing_games_they_are_not_supposed_to!

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

GTA is a game targeted for teens and adults... It's not their fault if kids want to play

Mario is targeted directly for kids

you lost

Willy105

Since when does targeting matter?

Mario is targeted to kids. Are kids playing it? No.

GTA is targeted at adults? Are adults palyig them? Most adults don't even play games.

The Macinstosh is targeted at home use. Aree people using it for home use? No. They are using them for businesses.

Tragic, but yes. Targeting sucks.

how do you know kids arent playing mario?

post a link with the number of kids playing gta to mario

post a link or your thread is null and void

they're waaaay more versions of mario games out there than GTA so you are probably wrong

News story on the amout of kids playing GTA

I couldn't find a single article about kids playing Mario, so that is why I made this thread.

I know, I would EXPECT too.

But EXPECTING doesn't mean it will happen. It never does.

So all content rating systems are flawed and useless? Should we just get rid of all rating systems and put the adult porn movies with the Thomas the Tank Engine videos and leave it like that. Yeah, that would be a happy world. No control, no morals, no order. Looks like the bible is right.

I love how pathetic people these days are that they want to blame everything for their actions and their situation

they want to blame poverty, drugs, video games, movies, music, tv, alcohol... they blame everything except their damn selves

take responsibility for your own actions

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? BrownWalrus

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Oh no they won't. They will all go off and kill everyone in sight. Cause, you know, so many kids have already done that because of video games. Oh wait :|

this thread about kids_playing_games_they_are_not_supposed_to!Willy105

You know how Mario rolls.

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? jack_russel

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Oh no they won't. They will all go off and kill everyone in sight. Cause, you know, so many kids have already done that because of video games. Oh wait :|

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? Kinitari

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Sorry, this is a bit of an off-topic question - but what negative situations could arise from a child watching like... an R rated movie with their parents (other than the akward sex scene or two in the presence of the parents that scars the child emotionally for life). I am not trying to rock the morality boat... well actually I am, I don't understand what the issue is - I mean as long as it is something that wont scare the crap out of the kid, let them watch it, and explain to them what is going on. I genuinely feel that proper communication with your child is 100x more important than blatantly banning certain productions from the household, that just makes them want to play it/watch it more.

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

Willy105

I know, I would EXPECT too.

But EXPECTING doesn't mean it will happen. It never does.

So all content rating systems are flawed and useless? Should we just get rid of all rating systems and put the adult porn movies with the Thomas the Tank Engine videos and leave it like that. Yeah, that would be a happy world. No control, no morals, no order. Looks like the bible is right.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? martin_f

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Oh no they won't. They will all go off and kill everyone in sight. Cause, you know, so many kids have already done that because of video games. Oh wait :|

Hrmmm. I don't know what to add to this, other than a :! .

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

jack_russel

I know, I would EXPECT too.

But EXPECTING doesn't mean it will happen. It never does.

So all content rating systems are flawed and useless? Should we just get rid of all rating systems and put the adult porn movies with the Thomas the Tank Engine videos and leave it like that. Yeah, that would be a happy world. No control, no morals, no order. Looks like the bible is right.

Don't hide them under a rock. That is child abuse, and it'sjustas bad as letting kids play those games.

Yes, you have to teach your kids right and wrong and let them go. but if they don't obey, then it's time to take them back.

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.ALCATRAZZ3

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

so?

kids play everything so what's your point?

So this entire idea of a "kiddy game" has become pointless.

[QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]So you are saying that kids shouldnt get to choose what game they want to play? They must play Mario and Nintendo games and wait until they are 18 to play Mature games?

Are you related to Jack Thompson in any way? Willy105

I'm his cousin. but that doesn't matter now.

What matters is what kids are doing. Are you going to let a kid watch an R-rated movie? Or even an NC-17 movie? What kind of parent would do that?

So what kind of parent would let their kids play an M-rated/18+ game? They are the same thing.

Sorry, this is a bit of an off-topic question - but what negative situations could arise from a child watching like... an R rated movie with their parents (other than the akward sex scene or two in the presence of the parents that scars the child emotionally for life). I am not trying to rock the morality boat... well actually I am, I don't understand what the issue is - I mean as long as it is something that wont scare the crap out of the kid, let them watch it, and explain to them what is going on. I genuinely feel that proper communication with your child is 100x more important than blatantly banning certain productions from the household, that just makes them want to play it/watch it more.

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.hongkingkong

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.Willy105

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

You're a kid for making this thread. Why do you keep trying so hard?

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="martin_f"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

Willy105

I know, I would EXPECT too.

But EXPECTING doesn't mean it will happen. It never does.

So all content rating systems are flawed and useless? Should we just get rid of all rating systems and put the adult porn movies with the Thomas the Tank Engine videos and leave it like that. Yeah, that would be a happy world. No control, no morals, no order. Looks like the bible is right.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]BrownWalrus

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games thatare not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games thatare not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.BrownWalrus

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

You're a kid for making this thread. Why do you keep trying so hard?

Actually, I'm not trying hard at all. :?

I post my thoughts on the current issue. Isn't that what a forum is for.

The issue: Kids are playing more M-rated games than before (prime suspect: GTA) and letting go of games that are for everyone like Mario.

My thoughts:That is not good!

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games thatare not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

I like some of those games up there. That's not the point of this thread. I never said a game has to have the M sticker to be good. The thing i'm trying to argue here is you making it seem like it's a crime for a parent to buy their kids a M rated game once in a while like it's going to ruin the world.

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

Yes, proper communication is very important, but banning stuff until it is right for them is also important.

Sure, for kids it makes them more excited to play, that is why GTA is so popular with the kids, they see the M-rated sticker, and they want to buy it, and take advantage of their ignorant parents so that they could buy it for them. But if parents new more and weren't so ignorant, the kids will not be able to get the game. So after years and years of waiting, and they finally get to play the game, they will be happy that they finally get to see what all the hoopla was about. But if they just get it now, the experience won't be as special and it would also be morally wrong.

Everything is important. It depends if you are ready for what will happen.

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games thatare not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.Willy105

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

You're a kid for making this thread. Why do you keep trying so hard?

Actually, I'm not trying hard at all. :?

I post my thoughts on the current issue. Isn't that what a forum is for.

The issue: Kids are playing more M-rated games than before (prime suspect: GTA) and letting go of games that are for everyone like Mario.

My thoughts:That is not good!

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.Willy105

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

Does a kid know what the word demographic means?

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]jack_russel

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]GTA is for all demographics, its harmless silly fun.hongkingkong

Don't say that. Otherwise people might think that you are a kid.

Are you a kid?

Does a kid know what the word demographic means?

Beats me.

Probably depends what grade they are in. I learned about demograhics when I was in 7th or 8th grade (can't remeber). But there might be some people who don't know what demographics are. I knowolder people who don't even know what the word is. Oh well.

This thread is so pointless, your arguement is that People under 18 should not play M Rated games and they should stick to Mario,Zelda, Pokemon.

If kids wants to play GTA then good for them, its up to the parent if they want to buy it.
GarchomPro

Exactly, but the problem is that parents don't know about the issue. They buy the game just because their kids wants it. They don't know anything about the game they just paid $50 for.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

I can 100000000000000000000% guarantee you that if the E rated game is an extremely fun adventure game or shooter, some kind of really fun game and if the M rated game is a sports game or some kind of building sim, let's say Ceasar 4 or something like that (not saying it's a bad game), with blood and some violence, the kid will aim towards the E game because it appeals a lot more to him. That's the thing, GTA is indeed M rated, but it's a very fun game, and that's what kids want. They don't exactly look at the tag, they hear about how fun the game is and want to try it.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

This thread is so pointless, your arguement is that People under 18 should not play M Rated games and they should stick to Mario,Zelda, Pokemon.

If kids wants to play GTA then good for them, its up to the parent if they want to buy it.
GarchomPro

thats the problem. Say a kid buys a GTA game, with his/her parents knowing, and does an act of violence imitating GTA.

now we see jack thompson attacking video games and the industry, when in REALITY, it clearly says M17+ sexual themes, violence, etc. - it should be the PARENTS to blame, not the Gaming industry. It clearly states on front and back what is in the games and what your child will be playing.

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]This thread is so pointless, your arguement is that People under 18 should not play M Rated games and they should stick to Mario,Zelda, Pokemon.

If kids wants to play GTA then good for them, its up to the parent if they want to buy it.
Willy105

Exactly, but the problem is that parents don't know about the issue. They buy the game just because their kids wants it. They don't know anything about the game they just paid $50 for.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]BrownWalrus

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

I can 100000000000000000000% guarantee you that if the E rated game is an extremely fun adventure game or shooter, some kind of really fun game and if the M rated game is a sports game or some kind of building sim, let's say Ceasar 4 or something like that (not saying it's a bad game), with blood and some violence, the kid will aim towards the E game because it appeals a lot more to him. That's the thing, GTA is indeed M rated, but it's a very fun game, and that's what kids want. They don't exactly look at the tag, they hear about how fun the game is and want to try it.

A shooter E-rated? A sports game M-rated? What kind of games are those?:P

Anyway, how do you know what appeals more to a kid. DOn;t you remember being a kid? I sure do. I miss those days. But I remember what I liked and did not like. I liked games. I was holding a copy of Diddy Kong Racing, about to buy it. Then I saw Goldeneye 64. I dropped Diddy Kong and went to the game. But i was not old enough to buy it. My parents were smart enough to tell the differnce, and I could not buy Goldeneye. So I got Diddy Kong Racing instead. As it turns out Diddy Kong Racing was an awsome game. I quickly forgot about Goldeneye.

But most parents don't much about the game industry. What if I had gotten Goldeneye? Diddy Kong mademe fall in love with racing games. To this day, I have Diddy Kong as my favorite videogame character. But if I had gotten Goldeneye, I wouldn't be a fan of racing games, but instead of FPS games. The thrill of the gun would be with me forever. I would had been a completely different gamer.

Bith awsome games, but two different endings.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]This thread is so pointless, your arguement is that People under 18 should not play M Rated games and they should stick to Mario,Zelda, Pokemon.

If kids wants to play GTA then good for them, its up to the parent if they want to buy it.
GarchomPro

Exactly, but the problem is that parents don't know about the issue. They buy the game just because their kids wants it. They don't know anything about the game they just paid $50 for.

Exactly.

[QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

I can 100000000000000000000% guarantee you that if the E rated game is an extremely fun adventure game or shooter, some kind of really fun game and if the M rated game is a sports game or some kind of building sim, let's say Ceasar 4 or something like that (not saying it's a bad game), with blood and some violence, the kid will aim towards the E game because it appeals a lot more to him. That's the thing, GTA is indeed M rated, but it's a very fun game, and that's what kids want. They don't exactly look at the tag, they hear about how fun the game is and want to try it.

A shooter E-rated? A sports game M-rated? What kind of games are those?:P

Anyway, how do you know what appeals more to a kid. DOn;t you remember being a kid? I sure do. I miss those days. But I remember what I liked and did not like. I liked games. I was holding a copy of Diddy Kong Racing, about to buy it. Then I saw Goldeneye 64. I dropped Diddy Kong and went to the game. But i was not old enough to buy it. My parents were smart enough to tell the differnce, and I could not buy Goldeneye. So I got Diddy Kong Racing instead. As it turns out Diddy Kong Racing was an awsome game. I quickly forgot about Goldeneye.

But most parents don't much about the game industry. What if I had gotten Goldeneye? Diddy Kong mademe fall in love with racing games. To this day, I have Diddy Kong as my favorite videogame character. But if I had gotten Goldeneye, I wouldn't be a fan of racing games, but instead of FPS games. The thrill of the gun would be with me forever. I would had been a completely different gamer.

Bith awsome games, but two different endings.

I played mainly sport and racinggames when I was little, now I hate sports games, I'll like an arcade racer, but I don't like simulators, and I had GT2 as a kid. I was too young to play most shooting and RPG games, but I now I love RPGs and shootinggames. Just because you played it as a kid doesn't mean you'll like it when you're older.

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

Vyyral

When did I say that? I said they are doing that less. No longer do I see kids eager to play Super Mario Sunshine or Super mario galaxy,something that was widespread when Super Mario 64 came out.

Yet now there are kids hyping GTA4! GTA4!

[QUOTE="Vyyral"]

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

Willy105

When did I say that? I said they are doing that less. No longer do I see kids eager to play Super Mario Sunshine or Super mario galaxy,something that was widespread when Super Mario 64 came out.

Yet now there are kids hyping GTA4! GTA4!