GTA is for kids. (56k beware)

i think a game wer you have guns and kill peopel is alot more mature, thats why its rated M.GarchomPro

It comes down to graphical content and sexual themes. The rating system is only their to provide a filtering system for yourself or your children. It has nothing to do with how mature the game is. Very few games are mature, and most are juvenile regardless of their ESRB rating.

Running around shooting people isn't any more mature than pulverising people/animals with a hammer or burning them to death. Mario would get a mature rating if the game looked realistic and the death animations were realistic or over-realistic. If smashing a goomba with a hammer caused blood to fly everywhere and the remaining carcass was a mess of blood, tissue, and bone; then mario would be "M". In the same respect GTA could easily be turned into T or E10+ by making it cel-shaded, no blood, no swears.

Where are the 33 year old gamers then? I don't see them around.

All I see playing gamesare kids. Really whiney kids, that only care about their looks and want to be cool.

Willy105

well i'm 30 and it's rare to see us older gamers on gaming fourms. where would you expect to see them. older gamers play games for fun. I see most of my peers on MMORPGs or as casual pc and console gamers. graphics don't mean much to them they rather have good gameplay. (which is why we all played WoW for a long time). Anyway, kiddy is stupid. it's mostly the kids that care about this.

[QUOTE="Vyyral"]

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

Willy105

When did I say that? I said they are doing that less. No longer do I see kids eager to play Super Mario Sunshine or Super mario galaxy,something that was widespread when Super Mario 64 came out.

Yet now there are kids hyping GTA4! GTA4!

And what's wrong with hyping GTA4!? The last 3 were excellent games, it's only natural that GTA4 is hyped as well. Same goes for Halo, and although I'm not a big fan of first person shooters on consoles, I can see why everyone hypes it as well. Not because it's mature (it's actually quite cartoony in appearance and violence), but because the previous two were excellent games that left people wanting more.

Mario 64 was excellent, but Mario Sunshine was a bit meh for me at least, and I think many others. Also, only having two true Mario games for consoles in the past 10+ years hurts the popularity of Mario a bit. It has faded a little when compared to Halo and Grand Theft Auto, but we shouldn't blame kids for wanting to be more mature.

Instead, we should blame Halo and Grand Theft Auto for being revolutionary console games, while Mario has had only two main console adventures in 10 years, one of them being mediocre compared to other titles in the series.

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.Haziqonfire

In Canada yes, but i think in America it doesnt really matter, they can sell the game to minors.

Willy105

Hey I have the same TV!

Anyway, you have good points. I like the fact that Nintendo is kiddy. Kiddy isn't bad IMO. But this is just how it is this generation. I mean if you look at world events, there's wars and poverty. TV shows and movies are violent and sexual more than ever. And games are more violent then ever.

I think it's good to let a child play GTA, and afterwards you tell that child that this is only a videogame. I let my 5 year old nephew play Crackdown and he has a blast blowing up things and running over people. He has a blast playing it.

When you think back to the first Mario Brothers game, I mean, Mario was litterally crushing peoples heads and spiting fire balls. Link was also slicing and dicing with his sword.

[QUOTE="Keistation2"]

Hahahahahah, oh man. If I had a nickle for every time i've seen these statements proven.

1) Two children of around 7 years old begging their grandmother to buy them San Andreas.

2) One kid's parent buying some kind of shootan game for them. The Gamestop clerk even warned the parent that the game was Rated M for violence and bad language, and the parent paid without skipping a beat.

3) This one little kid that used to live across the street from us got Vice City from his parents. No clue as to what they knew they were buying for him.

To be honest I feel sorry for the adults who don't know what they are buying their children. And I raise an eyebrow to those that actually do.

Willy105

I know, but parents don't know what they are buying. They don't know nothing about the game industry at all.

Most adults don't even play games.

Willy105

What?

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

Most adults don't even play games.

bkslayer

What?

If you take the total number of adults compared to the total number of adult gamers. There's no way the gamers make up 51% (or more) of the total adult population.

its a shame that only adults can BUY M rated games and now they are advertising the ESRB rating system on tv now, so as to educate otherwise clueless parents about games which is making this sort of topic increasing moot

plus if people like the TC are sooooooo shocked and worried about the trend of video games in modern society why dont you actually DO something about it other then b*tchin and moaning about what you SEE is happening, why dont you make a game that not only appeals to kids but actually EDUCATE them?....o wait that takes work.... and why would anyone work when they can just blame everything else about what they perceive as a problem, game developers are making games so they can support their families like every other job....so what if they make a mature game...its still a game, while you still do nothing

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Vyyral"]

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

GarchomPro

When did I say that? I said they are doing that less. No longer do I see kids eager to play Super Mario Sunshine or Super mario galaxy,something that was widespread when Super Mario 64 came out.

Yet now there are kids hyping GTA4! GTA4!

No it's not that.

It's that kids are becoming very different these days. There is nothing wrong hyping GTA4, I'm interested in it too, but kids ain't exactly the place I would expect hype for it would be coming from.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

ReverseCycology

Hey I have the same TV!

Anyway, you have good points. I like the fact that Nintendo is kiddy. Kiddy isn't bad IMO. But this is just how it is this generation. I mean if you look at world events, there's wars and poverty. TV shows and movies are violent and sexual more than ever. And games are more violent then ever.

I think it's good to let a child play GTA, and afterwards you tell that child that this is only a videogame. I let my 5 year old nephew play Crackdown and he has a blast blowing up things and running over people. He has a blast playing it.

When you think back to the first Mario Brothers game, I mean, Mario was litterally crushing peoples heads and spiting fire balls. Link was also slicing and dicing with his sword.

True. But there is a difference between simple 8-bit pixels, and a 3D liquid being generated in HD. And Zelda did get preety violent. Bad Zelda, bad!

And kinda cool the TV is the same.

Wow, 12 pages, and everybody went off-topic.:shock:

The point was that true mature gamers don't care what rating it is or how violent it is. It's about how good a game is. :(

Gamers dissing a game and going for another just because it's in color and looks kiddy because they are grown up and mature are the exact opposite of being mature. :x

That was the point of this thread.8)

Yeesh, people go off in so many direction it makes my head hurt. :?

I would think a lot of people would care if the VAST MAJORITY of players who buy GTA, aren't even old enough to play it legally.Willy105

Which would be impossible, as there is no legal age restriction on playing mature video games. The restrictions in place are completely voluntary, and the closest thing to regulation are spot checks, which the government simply reports to the public rather than assessing any punishment.

I understand your argument (it has nothing to do with the impact of these games, for those of you who think it does), but your premise is fundamentally flawed.

You have stated in this thread that the vast majority of GTA players are kids, and that most kids aren't playing Mario anymore. But you have no poof of this, besides a sensationalist news story (kind of reminded me of the 'pictochat will get your kids molested' story, though this one at least had more basis in fact) that shows that some kids play GTA. Mario games are still selling great. New Super Mario Bros sold millions. The new Pokemon titles are also selling incredibly well. If you think those sales are all adults, you're kidding yourself.

Plenty of kids play Grand Theft Auto, but there is no basis for your claim that GTA is played primarily by kids.

This isn't even going into the difference between something being viewed by kids and something being 'for kids', which you raise in your thread title. I shouldn't need to list all the ways in which Grand Theft Auto is not 'for kids', unlike something like Mario.

there is no such thing as mature gamer.

there gamers.

i agree with some of your points. but stoping them from buying you shouldnt of. he would of got punished himself.

I really wish they come out with AO (Adults Only) games soon.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Vyyral"]

I don't get what the point of this thread is.

Are you trying to say that GTA is a bad influence on kids and will cause them to do violent things (similar to what Jack Thompson says), or are you bitter that kids are playing GTA over Mario? Are you trying to tell kids what they should be playing? Why not just let them play what they think is fun.

I got GTA 3 back when I was 13 and had a ton of fun with it at the time. It had no negative effects on me as I enjoyed a great game, and I sure as hell didn't want some guy telling me to play something else for no apparent reason. Oh, and I also enjoyed Nintendo games at that time as well. If kids want it and there parents buy it for them, I don't see what the problem is. There still isn't any proven link between violent games and real life violence, unless you believe that garbage Jack Thompson spews about how Counter-Strike and other games teach you and train you how to kill effectively...

Also, the major gaming demographic is around ages 18-25 or something like that, and they are the ones buying GTA. You have presented absolutely no facts at all to support your wild claims that kids no longer play Mario and only play GTA.

This thread is ridiculous.

Willy105

When did I say that? I said they are doing that less. No longer do I see kids eager to play Super Mario Sunshine or Super mario galaxy,something that was widespread when Super Mario 64 came out.

Yet now there are kids hyping GTA4! GTA4!

No it's not that.

It's that kids are becoming very different these days. There is nothing wrong hyping GTA4, I'm interested in it too, but kids ain't exactly the place I would expect hype for it would be coming from.

Yes, it's true. Insecure 12 year olds want to look cool or mature, so they play games like GTA. And parents don't even bother to stop them. :roll:blackrytonite

acutally that is true. most parents just want to make there own son/daugther love them and be happy. buying a game they wanted ever sinc chrismas is a good way.

But most parents no nothing about games.

KEY WORD MOST

I really wish they come out with AO (Adults Only) games soon.

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Willy105

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

there's no technically he did... its he did or didn't, and in his case he didn't

as for the game kids won't pick based on the M or E rating they well pick which game they like better

Kids shouldnt play any Grand theft auto Games..its way too violent.

The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.PS3OwnsYou

No you don't ESRB stuides showed that kids got M rated games from stores that wernt supost to sell them to them, 40% of the time.

You just have to find a place that doesn't card.

[QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="BrownWalrus"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="Kinitari"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]treyskillz

The M rated sticker? Seriously, what is wrong with you? I'm asking an honest question. Why would anyone buy a game for the ESBR rating. Did you even consider that maybe kids are buying these games because, they're, you know, fun? Jesus Christ you're just not gonna let this go are you. At least make some kind of decent argument.

Yes, but there are other good games that are not M-rated.

How about Okami, Zelda, Mario, Madden, Pokemon, Gunstar Heroes, and such?

You are acting as if a game has to be good, it has to be an M-rated game. That is how those kids think!

Well, technically he did, but anyway, that is not the point.

Let's say there two superb games, they are AAA, they both got the same score, and are both competitors for Game of the Year. But in of them is rated E and the other is rated M. What will you choose. To a older gamer, this might be a problem, which one to choose? But for a young gamer, the issue is easier. Just pick the game that he can play.

The problem is, kids are completely and blantantly ignoring the E game and picking the M rated game just because it is for older kids! That is not right!

there's no technically he did... its he did or didn't, and in his case he didn't

as for the game kids won't pick based on the M or E rating they well pick which game they like better

Not alwasy, Peer preasure plays a big roll too. Sometimes they buy games so they can keep up with there cool friends.

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]well what are you gonna do? hide your kids under a rock? Just be a good parent and teach them right from wrong and let 'em go.Willy105

Don't hide them under a rock. That is child abuse, and it'sjustas bad as letting kids play those games.

Yes, you have to teach your kids right and wrong and let them go. but if they don't obey, then it's time to take them back.

Moderation is the key. It's bad to shelter kids, but it's also bad to give them too much lee-way. Anarchy and Communism both have there downsides, and ideally, it's the democracy that you find inbetween, a balance between two extremes.

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.web966

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

Well of course it does,not every parent ignorer's age warnings.

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.web966

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

You're right, but that means someone over 18 has to buy it, which in most cases is the parents. Therefore the parents should be blamed, not the game.

I was watching this thing about gaming on Dicovery channel yesterday and these people who try to fight game companies and say that violent games arecausing children to become violent. They blam violent games, but it's the parents that need to be blamed, not the games. You should know what your 10 year old buys.

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.blacktorn

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

Well of course it does,not every parent ignorer's age warnings.

The majority of parents are too ignorant of the industry, or just don't care.

I mainly use GTA as a Flying game.

I volunteer at a local old folks home providing them Hot meals. SpecialForcesOp

Your a strange person if you play Grand Theft Auto as a flying game, because your missing out on all of the gameplay for no good reason.

This post wont stop GTA4 from selling millions.miss_kitt3n

no one said it wouldnt :roll:

gta is sick . killing people is wrong. stealing is wrong. why cant they make a game that isnspires people to do good?machitocaliente

Because no one would buy it.

The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. A true mature game.

So if you diss a game just because it looks kiddy, you may want to take that back. Because only kids will think that is for kids.

Willy105

Wind Waker is aimed towards kids, got an E rating, its kiddy, doesnt stop me from playing it, but get over it, WW is kiddy, not mature.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. A true mature game.

So if you diss a game just because it looks kiddy, you may want to take that back. Because only kids will think that is for kids.

-Sora

Wind Waker is aimed towards kids, got an E rating, its kiddy, doesnt stop me from playing it, but get over it, WW is kiddy, not mature.

nor is it kiddie

The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.PS3OwnsYou

[QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"]

GTA is a game targeted for teens and adults... It's not their fault if kids want to play

Mario is targeted directly for kids

you lost

Willy105

Since when does targeting matter?

Mario is targeted to kids. Are kids playing it? No.

GTA is targeted at adults? Are adults palyig them? Most adults don't even play games.

The Macinstosh is targeted at home use. Aree people using it for home use? No. They are using them for businesses.

Tragic, but yes. Targeting sucks.

how do you know kids arent playing mario?

post a link with the number of kids playing gta to mario

post a link or your thread is null and void

they're waaaay more versions of mario games out there than GTA so you are probably wrong

News story on the amout of kids playing GTA

I couldn't find a single article about kids playing Mario, so that is why I made this thread.

Poor thread.

I could apply the kiddy argument to movies easily.

I loved the movie shrek and would reccomend it to all ages, but after it is all said and done I would rather watch Good Fellas or The Departed because they deal with material that is more relatable and adult oriented.

The same applies for mario and GTA. Both can be enjoyed, but at the end of the day I find GTA to be more fulfilling because of the adult theme.

Adults can enjoy both, but it's obvious that GTA is targeted for Adults due it's ratings.

Nintendo's target demographic is still children despite what you say. agentfred

I guess you have never heard of the Wii then? You know, the console that is meant to cater to EVERYONE?

Fanboys are so hypocritical. You complai the Wii is killing gaming because it targets everyone, then you say it ONLY targets kids? Make up your mind.

Or stop coming out with bullsh*t exaggerated statements like the one I quoted.

Hello Jack Thompson.

[QUOTE="-Sora"][QUOTE="Willy105"]

The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker. A true mature game.

So if you diss a game just because it looks kiddy, you may want to take that back. Because only kids will think that is for kids.

wavebrid

Wind Waker is aimed towards kids, got an E rating, its kiddy, doesnt stop me from playing it, but get over it, WW is kiddy, not mature.

nor is it kiddie

Exactly. E does not stand for kiddy.

Like Brain Age. Brain Age is rated E, but we all know that last people that would be playing that game woud be a kid.

[QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="Willy105"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="ALCATRAZZ3"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="PS3OwnsYou"]The fact you have to be 18+ to buy a GTA game makes your argument void.Willy105

That doesnt stop kids from playing it.

so?

kids play everything so what's your point?

My point is that more kids play GTA or halo than Mario.

And who do you think is playing those games the most out of everybody?

It sure ain't Oompa Loompas

lmao@ the average gamer being 33

so that means that gamers run anywhere if you want to guess from 5 to 62? :lol:

I don't care what that link says.. the average gamer is NOT 33 years old

Where are the 33 year old gamers then? I don't see them around.

All I see playing gamesare kids. Really whiney kids, that only care about their looks and want to be cool.

I play with older people, i've only run into about 5 kids online.