GTA:V - Offended by it, but still Buy it?

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Until you give me proof from a reliable website, that isn't made by the people who smoke the stuff, i'm not listening.

Lumpy311

They would also be tripping balls while experiencing it and be biased.

Reliable websites

 

Wikipedia

Drugwarfacts

 

:lol:

Lumpy311

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

So you're one of those guys standing in the Phish concert with the shirt that says, "MEDICINAL".

Roger.

Pariah_001

Stop talking.

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

How people could actually believe this stupid ass chart is unbelievable.

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]Reliable websites

 

Wikipedia

Drugwarfacts

 

:lol:

foxhound_fox

People never do because they see wikipedia and suddenly jump to the conclusion that it's unreliable cos "anyone can edit that".

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Lets play a game!

I'll drink one beer.

You smoke one joint.

We go driving.

Who wins?

foxhound_fox

Avoiding the question. You don't have a leg to stand on.

Suffice it to say that I'd bet dollars to donuts you wouldn't your own odds of surviving despite how stubbornly driven you are to prove pot's somehow less intoxicating or generally harmful.

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

Pariah_001

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]Until you give me proof from a reliable website, that isn't made by the people who smoke the stuff, i'm not listening.foxhound_fox

Look, I love Milton Friedman too--he gave us Thomas Sowell after all--but he never took cultural effects into account. 

By your logic, these drugs would be benign as long as they're legal. Ergo, it would be safe to assume if every person on the face of the planet took these drugs, all would be well.

Avoiding the question. You don't have a leg to stand on.

Suffice it to say that I'd bet dollars to donuts you wouldn't your own odds of surviving despite how stubbornly driven you are to prove pot's somehow less intoxicating or generally harmful.

Pariah_001

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

foxhound_fox

Haha! Okay. Since you're so confident that-that's true, you'd have no problem testing it out right?

You'd certainly favor the odds of kicking a heroin habit over a Nicotine habit, yes?

>Look, I love Milton Friedman too--he gave us Thomas Sowell after all--but he never took cultural effects into account. 

By your logic, these drugs would be benign as long as they're legal. Ergo, it would be safe to assume if every person on the face of the planet took these drugs, all would be well.

Pariah_001

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]>Look, I love Milton Friedman too--he gave us Thomas Sowell after all--but he never took cultural effects into account. 

By your logic, these drugs would be benign as long as they're legal. Ergo, it would be safe to assume if every person on the face of the planet took these drugs, all would be well.

foxhound_fox

You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?

Haha! Okay. Since you're so confident that-that's true, you'd have no problem testing it out right?

You'd certainly favor the odds of kicking a heroin habit over a Nicotine habit, yes?

Pariah_001

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Avoiding the question. You don't have a leg to stand on.

Suffice it to say that I'd bet dollars to donuts you wouldn't your own odds of surviving despite how stubbornly driven you are to prove pot's somehow less intoxicating or generally harmful.

foxhound_fox

I love this argument. It always supposes that because the amount of cases is nil to nothing, that Mary Jane doesn't have the capacity to cause a societal slip in the same vein as alcohol by virtue of the fact that it's rarely seen.

Suppose for a minute you have legalization all over the US--which is the same with alcohol. Still think the numbers will be nil?

You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?Lumpy311

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]Haha! Okay. Since you're so confident that-that's true, you'd have no problem testing it out right?

You'd certainly favor the odds of kicking a heroin habit over a Nicotine habit, yes?

foxhound_fox

Nobody has ever died from marijuana use... ever. Tens of thousands die every year from tobacco related diseases, alcohol poisoning and intoxication related injuries.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

Pariah_001

Haha! Okay. Since you're so confident that-that's true, you'd have no problem testing it out right?

You'd certainly favor the odds of kicking a heroin habit over a Nicotine habit, yes?

I love this argument. It always supposes that because the amount of cases is nil to nothing, that Mary Jane doesn't have the capacity to cause a societal slip in the same vein as alcohol by virtue of the fact that it's rarely seen.

Suppose for a minute you have legalization all over the US--which is the same with alcohol. Still think the numbers will be nil?

Pariah_001

Giving people the choice to do what they will with their bodies without harming others, and allowing them to suffer any and all consequences of their choices is far more important than your ridiculous sense of saving people from themselves. Human beings want to be intoxicated. We've been eating/smoking plants and drinking alcohol for millennia..foxhound_fox

Like I said, I'm not going to bother trying to instate a second prohibition with regards to minutely concentrated alcohol. It, and nicotine, are the lesser or many many evils. But do not try and pull the wool over people's eyes by saying individual users will only be harming hemselves. They WILL affect the culture around, because they are the culture.

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?foxhound_fox

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

/p>

I love this argument. It always supposes that because the amount of cases is nil to nothing, that Mary Jane doesn't have the capacity to cause a societal slip in the same vein as alcohol by virtue of the fact that it's rarely seen.

Suppose for a minute you have legalization all over the US--which is the same with alcohol. Still think the numbers will be nil?

Pariah_001

I picked up GTA:SA on a steam deal because it was well rated and uninstalled it after playing for about 3-4 hours. I understand that for what it is, it's a good game, but I was really turned off by the obnoxious characters and mundane missions. I think the subject matter of the series has always gotten in the way of me enjoying the gameplay, whereas I had a ton of fun with Just Cause 2, for example.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

Pariah_001

Haha! Okay. Since you're so confident that-that's true, you'd have no problem testing it out right?

You'd certainly favor the odds of kicking a heroin habit over a Nicotine habit, yes?

The reason tests are carried out for anything in the first place is so we can learn from that instead of having to do it ourselves

Your only argument thus far has been "you are wrong, I am right." Where are you links to studies proving your side true?foxhound_fox

HAHAHA!!

Always a treat when people are willing to surrender their own wills to wiki...or whoever. My arguments are based on cultural trends, not your truth.com throwbacks.

Are you going to put your theories to the test or not? You apparently think that heorin is easier to kick than nicotine. Give it a shot and tell me how it works out.

I picked up GTA:SA on a steam deal because it was well rated and uninstalled it after playing for about 3-4 hours. I understand that for what it is, it's a good game, but I was really turned off by the obnoxious characters and mundane missions. I think the subject matter of the series has always gotten in the way of me enjoying the gameplay, whereas I had a ton of fun with Just Cause 2, for example.

Brendissimo35

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Your only argument thus far has been "you are wrong, I am right." Where are you links to studies proving your side true?Pariah_001

HAHAHA!!

Always a treat when people are willing to surrender their own wills to wiki...or whoever. My arguments are based on cultural trends, not your truth.com throwbacks.

Are you going to put your theories to the test or not? You apparently think that heorin is easier to kick than nicotine. Give it a shot and tell me how it works out.

Why don't you try them yourself, if you're so confident, hmm? Not willing to see if the documentation and sources might prove you wrong?

The reason tests are carried out for anything in the first place is so we can learn from that instead of having to do it ourselves

seanmcloughlin

Except these tests are not accountable to anyone beside Rob Reiner. I have seen hard drug use with my own eyes. And I sincerely doubt that Fox can say the same considering his push of the typical 'smoking is more dangerous than heroin' yarn.

Yes, obviously we all must take the drugs for ourselves to be sure that the science and documents are 100% accurate. :roll:Vaasman

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Your only argument thus far has been "you are wrong, I am right." Where are you links to studies proving your side true?Pariah_001

HAHAHA!!

Always a treat when people are willing to surrender their own wills to wiki...or whoever. My arguments are based on cultural trends, not your truth.com throwbacks.

Are you going to put your theories to the test or not? You apparently think that heorin is easier to kick than nicotine. Give it a shot and tell me how it works out.

You still have no proof other than "believe what I'm saying" 

why would he subject himself to that when tests were carried out to prove it already? isn't that why tests are carried out? 

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?foxhound_fox

It's not even crime that's the issue. It's the effect of an addicted populace on a society. You're claiming that every individual being addicted to hard drugs would be benign by virtue of legality. That's silly.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?Lumpy311

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

You still have no proof other than "believe what I'm saying" 

why would he subject himself to that when tests were carried out to prove it already? isn't that why tests are carried out? 

seanmcloughlin

That's kind of the issue here isn't it? What do you know of these tests beyond the heresay that they took place and that the results were as stated? How much of this have you experienced for youself?

You have nothing, so in the face of multiple websites used as evidence, you demand that we try for ourselves as proof. So desperate :lol:

Why don't you try them yourself, if you're so confident, hmm? Not willing to see if the documentation and sources might prove you wrong?

Vaasman

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]You still have no proof other than "believe what I'm saying" 

why would he subject himself to that when tests were carried out to prove it already? isn't that why tests are carried out? 

Pariah_001

That's kind of the issue here isn't it? What do you know of these tests beyond the heresay that they took place and that the results were as stated? How much of this have you experienced for youself?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

The reason tests are carried out for anything in the first place is so we can learn from that instead of having to do it ourselves

Pariah_001

Except these tests are not accountable to anyone beside Rob Reiner. 

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

So you're one of those guys standing in the Phish concert with the shirt that says, "MEDICINAL".

Roger.

Pariah_001

Stop talking.

Nicotine is not, and never will be, more addictive than heroine.

Crackpots like Reiner and thruth.com came up with that lie. Stop spreading it.

You won't find a study that shows the opposite.

 

Cannabis Is Least Harmful Substance in Published British Medical Journal Harm To Self And Others Study.

Posted on August 8, 2012 by CureUK

The British Medical Journal on 27th of July 2012 published an extensive study scaling the harm caused to ones self and to others due to substance use. The study looked at the 19 most commonly used drugs both legal and illicit. Heroin was ranked at number  1 whilst Alcohol sat in 4th place and cannabis came bottom being deemed least harmful in all 3 tables.

The Paper titled Quantifying the RR of harm to self and others from substance misuse: results from a survey of clinical experts across Scotland. published in the BMJ by a collective of 6 research bodies, five from the UK and one from our common wealth cousins in New Zealand who also operate under a policy of prohibition like ours The Misuse of Drugs Act. This study was carried out by 292 clinical experts.

1. 1NHS Lothian, Edinburgh, UK
2. 2NHS Lanarkshire, Hairmyres Hospital, Glasgow, UK
3. 3Maori Mental Health, Otahuhu, Auckland, New Zealand
4. 4Division of Psychiatry, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK
5. 5NHS Forth Valley, Falkirk, UK
6. 6NHS Grampian, Aberdeen, UK

- See more at: http://norml-uk.org/2012/08/cannabis-is-least-harmful-substance-in-published-british-medical-journal-harm-to-self-and-others-study/#sthash.ThUjC7Cu.dpuf

If you can find studies that show otherwise, please link them. 

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] If they do, then we have a judicial system that will punish them accordingly. Not everyone addicted to drugs hurts other people. Look at how many people addicted to nicotine live perfectly violent-crime-free lives.parkurtommo

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]You think they won't harm others for money to buy that shit after they're hooked?Pariah_001

It's not even crime that's the issue. It's the effect of an addicted populace on a society. You're claiming that every individual being addicted to hard drugs would be benign by virtue of legality. That's silly.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

 

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

clyde46

Which one of these sources did Rob Reiner fund. Can you show me?

Vaasman

He funds all anti-nicotine campaigns.

Like I said, I'm not going to bother trying to instate a second prohibition with regards to minutely concentrated alcohol. It, and nicotine, are the lesser or many many evils. But do not try and pull the wool over people's eyes by saying individual users will only be harming hemselves. They WILL affect the culture around, because they are the culture.Pariah_001

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

 

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

Lumpy311

you guys are still arguing with that idiot that claims marijuana is worse than alcohol? :lol:

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Which one of these sources did Rob Reiner fund. Can you show me?

Pariah_001

He funds all anti-nicotine campaigns.

If you can find studies that show otherwise, please link them.Jankarcop

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

Drugs have differen't effects, there's lots of shit made to help you stop smoking, none to help you stop smoking weed. And weed is guaranteed to be more expensive than some cigarettes.

 

Oh and by your logic, let's legalize heroin, when people start robbing eachother for drug money, the judicial system will handle it!

clyde46

Weed is not extremely physically harmful.

This is a documented fact.

you guys are still arguing with that idiot that claims marijuana is worse than alcohol? :lol:

 

FLOPPAGE_50

[QUOTE="FLOPPAGE_50"]

you guys are still arguing with that idiot that claims marijuana is worse than alcohol? :lol:

 

foxhound_fox

You won't find a study that shows the opposite.

 

 

Cannabis Is Least Harmful Substance in Published British Medical Journal Harm To Self And Others Study.

Posted on August 8, 2012 by CureUK

The British Medical Journal on 27th of July 2012 published an extensive study scaling the harm caused to ones self and to others due to substance use. The study looked at the 19 most commonly used drugs both legal and illicit. Heroin was ranked at number  1 whilst Alcohol sat in 4th place and cannabis came bottom being deemed least harmful in all 3 tables.

The Paper titled Quantifying the RR of harm to self and others from substance misuse: results from a survey of clinical experts across Scotland. published in the BMJ by a collective of 6 research bodies, five from the UK and one from our common wealth cousins in New Zealand who also operate under a policy of prohibition like ours The Misuse of Drugs Act. This study was carried out by 292 clinical experts.

1. 1NHS Lothian, Edinburgh, UK
2. 2NHS Lanarkshire, Hairmyres Hospital, Glasgow, UK
3. 3Maori Mental Health, Otahuhu, Auckland, New Zealand
4. 4Division of Psychiatry, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, UK
5. 5NHS Forth Valley, Falkirk, UK
6. 6NHS Grampian, Aberdeen, UK

- See more at: http://norml-uk.org/2012/08/cannabis-is-least-harmful-substance-in-published-british-medical-journal-harm-to-self-and-others-study/#sthash.ThUjC7Cu.dpufJankarcop

If you can find studies that show otherwise, please link them. 

You can dig up as many studies as you like claiming that a socially popular drug that all the chillun's love isn't harmful. That will neither lend it credibility nor will it address my point.

Until you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and shoot up some heroin to demonstrate how benign it is comparison to smoking, your lipservice is bunk.

Some people may be offended by it, but I won't be. I've sen just about everything offensive.