GT>Forenza2 obviously!

Please note that anyone who tries to compare GTHD must note that it is performing all its tricks with only one car on the track. Until we see an actual playable demo with at least eight cars on screen simultaneously with the same level of detail, it's like comparing an apple to an orange.

As for expertise, let's just say both Polyphony and Turn 10 have their fair share of experts. Both of them have teams of car experts (Turn 10 even has an active pro race driver--IOW, competed recently in actual races). 

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

Game13a13y

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

darklight86

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

No that honor belongs to rFactor mp it owns GTR 2 but is less forgiving to beginners. 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

darklight86

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan. 

[QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

skyform

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan. 

Please note that anyone who tries to compare GTHD must note that it is performing all its tricks with only one car on the track. Until we see an actual playable demo with at least eight cars on screen simultaneously with the same level of detail, it's like comparing an apple to an orange.

As for expertise, let's just say both Polyphony and Turn 10 have their fair share of experts. Both of them have teams of car experts (Turn 10 even has an active pro race driver--IOW, competed recently in actual races).

HuusAsking

And that right there is what we call an Ownage on TC. 

[QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

skyform

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan.

Uh sky you know GTR2 uses the official motec software for real time telemetry in game right?? 

That right there takes forza 2 out of this discussion imo. Now I will buy forza 2 (I love driving games) but in no way will it be a real sim in my eyes. I doubt forza 2 will even be better than F1 on the ps3 as far as being a sim, 

[QUOTE="skyform"][QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

BrooklynBomber

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan.

Uh sky you know GTR2 uses the official motec software for real time telemetry in game right?? 

That right there takes forza 2 out of this discussion imo. Now I will buy forza 2 (I love driving games) but in no way will it be a real sim in my eyes. I doubt forza 2 will even be better than F1 on the ps3 as far as being a sim, 

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="skyform"][QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

HuusAsking

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan.

Uh sky you know GTR2 uses the official motec software for real time telemetry in game right??

That right there takes forza 2 out of this discussion imo. Now I will buy forza 2 (I love driving games) but in no way will it be a real sim in my eyes. I doubt forza 2 will even be better than F1 on the ps3 as far as being a sim,

Just one word = MEMORY !!

people who say forza over gt has not played gt before so there for just being a fanboy ive played both and i pick gt over forza any day nuff said

Are you serious? Do you know who that guy is? He a PRO DRIVER, a PRO DRIVER that races in LeMans. You showed a video of some guys driving crappy cars, WOOPTIE. It would have been better if you acually googled that guy and seen what he has done, before opening your ugly cow mouth. BTW here is ONE of the panoz cars he drives: dracolich666

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

And what's to stop Forza 2 from using MoTeC or something similar?BrooklynBomber

Just one word = MEMORY !!

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Someone remind me.

What did GT4 score here? 8.9

And what did Forza 1 score? 9.2

nuff said.

mazdero

scores mean nothing. GT4= 4th game in the series, Forza 1= 1st. It is common knowledge game sequals always score lower than the first game in the series unless they do something different and better than the game before it. GT4 was not that much different from GT3, thus the score. Forza being the 1st game of that series, and was a decent game with good AI received what it did because it was the first GT clone to come close to being as well done as GT. Yes, Forza is a GT clone regardless of what you fanboys think. now you know what you can do with your scores.

this is SW they mean everything, noob

Maybe to fanboys such as yourself, but not to gamers, noob

Sorry but you're the only rookie posting here if you are posting in SW and think scores aren't everything. Scores aren't everything when it comes time to game or buy games but when it comes to SW then yes they mean everything. If you can't accept that then whatever.

Rookie? lol, I more than likely have been gaming far longer than you have. I have never bought a game based on someone elses OPINION of how good the game is. you do realize that is what a game score is right? it doesn't matter if its in system wars or not, that is the case. if you can't accept that then, whatever lol

Well that's good that you've never bought a game based off a review. You must have good word of mouth or just buy games blind. I'm 21 years old and I wasn't referring to being a rookie in gaming I was refering to being a rookie in SW. The whole premise is scores. That is why games get offical hype threads, games are marked down to exceed, meet, or not meet hype. Scores and sales are the game of system wars. If you don't like it then quit complaining about it. Nobody is telling you that you have to use GS reveiws to buy games or that one makes one better then another. But here on SW it is the definitive reason for bragging rights. That's just the way it is. By SW logic two games of the same genre that come out right next to eachother can be compared equally thus score is relevant.

why did you even quote me to begin with? I was not talking to you. Is it because your little fanboy mind can't deal with the fact that I was making sense? I am so sorry I have a life and am not the expert SW poster like you mr. 7500+ posts lol. I still fail to see what you are saying has to do with me and what I was saying. I don't need a lesson in sw conduct from a fanboy with no life. I was under the impression, that sw has no guide lines as proved by all the ridiculous posts I see here. Are you the SW's police? Score's are relevant to SW's for fanboys ONLY. Heres a shocker mr. high horse, there are people that post in here who are actual GAMERS and not fanboys. I'm sorry if I angered the SW's god, aka blackbond, by not being a fanboy who cares about scores in SW's :roll:

Way to go man. Completely go into an irrelevant I'm gonna call you a fanboy rampage. Listen if you don't like it then go to the General Discussion Forums. Nobody is asking you to stay here. Nobody says you have to live by the unwritten rules as even I don't. But the unwritten rules are there for a reason. You can call me a fanboy all you want all I'm doing is laughing at you. I didn't bash any console, I didn't bash any games, I simply stated what everyone besides you already knows. If you think this is ridiculous then hey man welcome to system wars where everything and anything is ridiculous lol. You'll come to know it soon enough though. Its funny how you call me Mr. High Horse when you're the one that thinks your above everyone else. You obviously don't need a lesson in system wars conduct because well its right in the sticky duh, learn to read it. Go cry some where where else if you don't like it. You said you've been gaming most likely longer then me. Now I'm curious to when you have started.

Reviewes aren't the end all. Meaning that the highest rated game isn't always neccesarily better. Meaning thats's what there is renting games and other sites that have other opinions that you can go to. But there is a reason why only the GS score matters in SW, its so people don't go all over the place cherry picking the best and worst scores of a game. Ew this is sounding like a lecture. Just read the front page then decide for yourself. 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

all of you can quit the score comparison, just watch these video and see how much effort the GT team put behind it then think twice if Forza can match with it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKDdxC3DXlI

now watch before you post again.

 

Yellow_Rose

*watches video*

okay now you watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3jvuLcpaZg

And remember:

GT4 = 8.9

Forza 2 = 9.2

was not looking forward to Forza, but man that vid made me want to play it 

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Someone remind me.

What did GT4 score here? 8.9

And what did Forza 1 score? 9.2

nuff said.

Blackbond

scores mean nothing. GT4= 4th game in the series, Forza 1= 1st. It is common knowledge game sequals always score lower than the first game in the series unless they do something different and better than the game before it. GT4 was not that much different from GT3, thus the score. Forza being the 1st game of that series, and was a decent game with good AI received what it did because it was the first GT clone to come close to being as well done as GT. Yes, Forza is a GT clone regardless of what you fanboys think. now you know what you can do with your scores.

this is SW they mean everything, noob

Maybe to fanboys such as yourself, but not to gamers, noob

Sorry but you're the only rookie posting here if you are posting in SW and think scores aren't everything. Scores aren't everything when it comes time to game or buy games but when it comes to SW then yes they mean everything. If you can't accept that then whatever.

Rookie? lol, I more than likely have been gaming far longer than you have. I have never bought a game based on someone elses OPINION of how good the game is. you do realize that is what a game score is right? it doesn't matter if its in system wars or not, that is the case. if you can't accept that then, whatever lol

Well that's good that you've never bought a game based off a review. You must have good word of mouth or just buy games blind. I'm 21 years old and I wasn't referring to being a rookie in gaming I was refering to being a rookie in SW. The whole premise is scores. That is why games get offical hype threads, games are marked down to exceed, meet, or not meet hype. Scores and sales are the game of system wars. If you don't like it then quit complaining about it. Nobody is telling you that you have to use GS reveiws to buy games or that one makes one better then another. But here on SW it is the definitive reason for bragging rights. That's just the way it is. By SW logic two games of the same genre that come out right next to eachother can be compared equally thus score is relevant.

why did you even quote me to begin with? I was not talking to you. Is it because your little fanboy mind can't deal with the fact that I was making sense? I am so sorry I have a life and am not the expert SW poster like you mr. 7500+ posts lol. I still fail to see what you are saying has to do with me and what I was saying. I don't need a lesson in sw conduct from a fanboy with no life. I was under the impression, that sw has no guide lines as proved by all the ridiculous posts I see here. Are you the SW's police? Score's are relevant to SW's for fanboys ONLY. Heres a shocker mr. high horse, there are people that post in here who are actual GAMERS and not fanboys. I'm sorry if I angered the SW's god, aka blackbond, by not being a fanboy who cares about scores in SW's :roll:

Way to go man. Completely go into an irrelevant I'm gonna call you a fanboy rampage. Listen if you don't like it then go to the General Discussion Forums. Nobody is asking you to stay here. Nobody says you have to live by the unwritten rules as even I don't. But the unwritten rules are there for a reason. You can call me a fanboy all you want all I'm doing is laughing at you. I didn't bash any console, I didn't bash any games, I simply stated what everyone besides you already knows. If you think this is ridiculous then hey man welcome to system wars where everything and anything is ridiculous lol. You'll come to know it soon enough though. Its funny how you call me Mr. High Horse when you're the one that thinks your above everyone else. You obviously don't need a lesson in system wars conduct because well its right in the sticky duh, learn to read it. Go cry some where where else if you don't like it. You said you've been gaming most likely longer then me. Now I'm curious to when you have started.

Reviewes aren't the end all. Meaning that the highest rated game isn't always neccesarily better. Meaning thats's what there is renting games and other sites that have other opinions that you can go to. But there is a reason why only the GS score matters in SW, its so people don't go all over the place cherry picking the best and worst scores of a game. Ew this is sounding like a lecture. Just read the front page then decide for yourself.

kinda sorry I started this but blackbond I couldn't have said it better myself, I dont buy games just on reviews alone hell I dont talk about game reveiw outside of SW but in SW they are what matter but just in SW

kinda sorry I started this but blackbond I couldn't have said it better myself, I dont buy games just on reviews alone hell I dont talk about game reveiw outside of SW but in SW they are what matter but just in SW

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="skyform"][QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

BrooklynBomber

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan.

Uh sky you know GTR2 uses the official motec software for real time telemetry in game right??

That right there takes forza 2 out of this discussion imo. Now I will buy forza 2 (I love driving games) but in no way will it be a real sim in my eyes. I doubt forza 2 will even be better than F1 on the ps3 as far as being a sim,

Just one word = MEMORY !!

Nope you are worng Forza will be on the same level as GTR2 i watched the 1h presentation video shown some weeks ago and it has amazing physics as amazing as GTR2.

You have to watch this video and you will see, the guy from Forza explains the whole physics and they do not sound and look even a bit less impressive as the one from GTR2. 

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

skyform

Just one word = MEMORY !!

Nope you are worng Forza will be on the same level as GTR2 i watched the 1h presentation video shown some weeks ago and it has amazing physics as amazing as GTR2.

You have to watch this video and you will see, the guy from Forza explains the whole physics and they do not sound and look even a bit less impressive as the one from GTR2.

Yea forza 2 will be a good game but not as good as GTR 2. Here is link just for the basics on the motec tuning availible in GTR 2 k. newbi motec guide

Forza 2 will never have this level of real time telemetry or tuning and this is just the basics. I could write a guide here but it would take a couple pages. I will not bore you just take a quick look at the link.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="skyform"][QUOTE="darklight86"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

Sony literally test-drived each of the cars shown on GT series on real-life racing courses and try to imitate exactly how it feels like to drive in it. i don't think Forza can match with the integuity the dev put behind it.

 

skyform

And you can actually use real life telemetry software with GTR 2 to analyse and adjust your car. Tell me, in GT,does the ride height get higher the more fuel you use up? Do you have to worry about the inner, middle and outer temperatures of your tyres? GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

Yep GTR2 is a fantastic game but did you know that this things you mentioned about fuel and tyres, Forza 2 has aswell, exactly the same things and amazing real time telemetry.

Im sure that Forza 2 will be pretty much on the level of GTR2.

GTR2 has some things that Forza 2 has not but so has Forza 2.

For example in GTR2 you can flip cars and damaged them completly and there are also mechanical problems, but Forza on the other hand has alot more cars and not only racing cars but also cars you can buy and drive in the real world and it has a fantastic costumatization.

Im pretty sure it's going to be very tight between them, both are a must have if you are a racing sim fan.

Uh sky you know GTR2 uses the official motec software for real time telemetry in game right??

That right there takes forza 2 out of this discussion imo. Now I will buy forza 2 (I love driving games) but in no way will it be a real sim in my eyes. I doubt forza 2 will even be better than F1 on the ps3 as far as being a sim,

Just one word = MEMORY !!

Nope you are worng Forza will be on the same level as GTR2 i watched the 1h presentation video shown some weeks ago and it has amazing physics as amazing as GTR2.

You have to watch this video and you will see, the guy from Forza explains the whole physics and they do not sound and look even a bit less impressive as the one from GTR2. 

Nah...from the movies it looks like Forza2 will have much less realistic physics engine. It's not surprising, if F2 would be on GTR2 level of realism it wouldn't sell well. 

theres gamplay footage at gametrailers.com of forenza and GTHD

How could anyone say otherwise its very obvious!

forenza lots of jaggies

GT very impressive sim racer

say wahtever you want im going ot bed...

winner-ps3

Forenza?

/thread. 

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

darklight86

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still 

theres gamplay footage at gametrailers.com of forenza and GTHD

How could anyone say otherwise its very obvious!

forenza lots of jaggies

GT very impressive sim racer

say wahtever you want im going ot bed...

winner-ps3

You are wrong. I am certain fozera 2 looks as the better of the two. And I do not care what you have to say about this because fozera 2 looks like a very good game and grand tursimo looks boring and dumb. 

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Someone remind me.

 What did GT4 score here?  8.9

And what did Forza 1 score?  9.2

nuff said.

mazdero

scores mean nothing. GT4= 4th game in the series, Forza 1= 1st. It is common knowledge game sequals always score lower than the first game in the series unless they do something different and better than the game before it. GT4 was not that much different from GT3, thus the score. Forza being the 1st game of that series, and was a decent game with good AI received what it did because it was the first GT clone to come close to being as well done as GT. Yes, Forza is a GT clone regardless of what you fanboys think. now you know what you can do with your scores.

I might just get both, but I'll always be a huge fan of Gran Turismo. I've never played Forze though.SolidSnake35

Forenza!

Ok wtf is wrong with you guys,  all this crap Forenza, Fozera, Forze. So should we call GT, Gran Bullismo or Gran Borrismo or Gran Idiotismo and so on, please be serious.skyform

lol agreed.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

ok, before you open your ugly mouth, think about what you are saying.

one pro-driver testing the game, VS whole team of people testing the REAL RACING CARS, on REAL TRACKS, with REAL MECHANICS.

think... think....

 

Game13a13y

you are the blind one apparantly, go ask people around. Forza is a GT clone. if you're not convinced after watching the video i provided, and you go ahead and think that people will be convinced by you showing one pic then a pile of your yap?

You are about the biggest fanboy I have ever seen. You ask for proof, he provides it for you. Oh hell no! That isn;t good enough! It has to be VIDEO footage!! Get a life you fanboy loser. 

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

ok, before you open your ugly mouth, think about what you are saying.

one pro-driver testing the game, VS whole team of people testing the REAL RACING CARS, on REAL TRACKS, with REAL MECHANICS.

think... think....

 

snyper1982

you are the blind one apparantly, go ask people around. Forza is a GT clone. if you're not convinced after watching the video i provided, and you go ahead and think that people will be convinced by you showing one pic then a pile of your yap?

You are about the biggest fanboy I have ever seen. You ask for proof, he provides it for you. Oh hell no! That isn;t good enough! It has to be VIDEO footage!! Get a life you fanboy loser. 

he just posted a pic to prove that Forza 2 uses pro drive, just one point, thats it. are you so dumb to think?

[QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

AdrianWerner

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still 

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

HuusAsking

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still

I see you found the noobs gtr2 motec link.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

HuusAsking

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still 

AiM software supports NetKarPRO and it's on the same level as MoTeC.  

NKPRo wins over GTR2 with tyre physics(best one I've seen). Of course in world of high-level pc racing sims the diffrences between top games aren't all that big, but still GTR2 isn't the absolute leader of sim physics 

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

AdrianWerner

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still

AiM software supports NetKarPRO and it's on the same level as MoTeC.

NKPRo wins over GTR2 with tyre physics(best one I've seen). Of course in world of high-level pc racing sims the diffrences between top games aren't all that big, but still GTR2 isn't the absolute leader of sim physics

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

AdrianWerner

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still

AiM software supports NetKarPRO and it's on the same level as MoTeC.

NKPRo wins over GTR2 with tyre physics(best one I've seen). Of course in world of high-level pc racing sims the diffrences between top games aren't all that big, but still GTR2 isn't the absolute leader of sim physics

I would never recommend that game to console racers there are no training wheels. GTR 2 can be played by newbs they wont win but they will not be left shafted either. Even going from forza to GTR2 will be a big jump, going to NkPro is suicide imo unless you are a pc sim vet.

I find it so facinating that not only is this thread still alive, but that there are so many conversations going on in it that are so far from the original topic.  :?Dreams-Visions

Lets start another. So...your avatar is freaking me out, while your sig is making me laugh. I don't know how to feel.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]I find it so facinating that not only is this thread still alive, but that there are so many conversations going on in it that are so far from the original topic. :?whoisryanmack

Lets start another. So...your avatar is freaking me out, while your sig is making me laugh. I don't know how to feel.

:D  What can I say?  I like to entertain and mystify. ;) 

I find it so facinating that not only is this thread still alive, but that there are so many conversations going on in it that are so far from the original topic. :?Dreams-Visions

Yea we got off topic I was surprised to find gamers that love racing games here, not just the graphics.   

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

ok, before you open your ugly mouth, think about what you are saying.

one pro-driver testing the game, VS whole team of people testing the REAL RACING CARS, on REAL TRACKS, with REAL MECHANICS.

think... think....

 

snyper1982

you are the blind one apparantly, go ask people around. Forza is a GT clone. if you're not convinced after watching the video i provided, and you go ahead and think that people will be convinced by you showing one pic then a pile of your yap?

You are about the biggest fanboy I have ever seen.  

I think Greg_Splicer is going to be upset that you gave someone else his title.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

BrooklynBomber

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still

AiM software supports NetKarPRO and it's on the same level as MoTeC.

NKPRo wins over GTR2 with tyre physics(best one I've seen). Of course in world of high-level pc racing sims the diffrences between top games aren't all that big, but still GTR2 isn't the absolute leader of sim physics

I would never recommend that game to console racers there are no training wheels. GTR 2 can be played by newbs they wont win but they will not be left shafted either. Even going from forza to GTR2 will be a big jump, going to NkPro is suicide imo unless you are a pc sim vet.

GTR2 is great introduction to sim racing. After getting experienced there one can switch to rFactor (for GTR2-like experience only better) or go hardcore with NetKar pro and Live for Speed S2(with S3 it might become king of sims). I wonder how new Simbin games will be, they will be using their engine for the first time ever(both graphical and physics) instead of licensing one from ISI. I wonder how GTR3 will compare to rFactor2 :) I'm betting on ISI though, if only because mod community will likely stay with ISI, instead of learning new code that simbin made 

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="onewiththegame"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Someone remind me.

What did GT4 score here? 8.9

And what did Forza 1 score? 9.2

nuff said.

Blackbond

scores mean nothing. GT4= 4th game in the series, Forza 1= 1st. It is common knowledge game sequals always score lower than the first game in the series unless they do something different and better than the game before it. GT4 was not that much different from GT3, thus the score. Forza being the 1st game of that series, and was a decent game with good AI received what it did because it was the first GT clone to come close to being as well done as GT. Yes, Forza is a GT clone regardless of what you fanboys think. now you know what you can do with your scores.

this is SW they mean everything, noob

Maybe to fanboys such as yourself, but not to gamers, noob

Sorry but you're the only rookie posting here if you are posting in SW and think scores aren't everything. Scores aren't everything when it comes time to game or buy games but when it comes to SW then yes they mean everything. If you can't accept that then whatever.

Rookie? lol, I more than likely have been gaming far longer than you have. I have never bought a game based on someone elses OPINION of how good the game is. you do realize that is what a game score is right? it doesn't matter if its in system wars or not, that is the case. if you can't accept that then, whatever lol

Well that's good that you've never bought a game based off a review. You must have good word of mouth or just buy games blind. I'm 21 years old and I wasn't referring to being a rookie in gaming I was refering to being a rookie in SW. The whole premise is scores. That is why games get offical hype threads, games are marked down to exceed, meet, or not meet hype. Scores and sales are the game of system wars. If you don't like it then quit complaining about it. Nobody is telling you that you have to use GS reveiws to buy games or that one makes one better then another. But here on SW it is the definitive reason for bragging rights. That's just the way it is. By SW logic two games of the same genre that come out right next to eachother can be compared equally thus score is relevant.

why did you even quote me to begin with? I was not talking to you. Is it because your little fanboy mind can't deal with the fact that I was making sense? I am so sorry I have a life and am not the expert SW poster like you mr. 7500+ posts lol. I still fail to see what you are saying has to do with me and what I was saying. I don't need a lesson in sw conduct from a fanboy with no life. I was under the impression, that sw has no guide lines as proved by all the ridiculous posts I see here. Are you the SW's police? Score's are relevant to SW's for fanboys ONLY. Heres a shocker mr. high horse, there are people that post in here who are actual GAMERS and not fanboys. I'm sorry if I angered the SW's god, aka blackbond, by not being a fanboy who cares about scores in SW's :roll:

Way to go man. Completely go into an irrelevant I'm gonna call you a fanboy rampage. Listen if you don't like it then go to the General Discussion Forums. Nobody is asking you to stay here. Nobody says you have to live by the unwritten rules as even I don't. But the unwritten rules are there for a reason. You can call me a fanboy all you want all I'm doing is laughing at you. I didn't bash any console, I didn't bash any games, I simply stated what everyone besides you already knows. If you think this is ridiculous then hey man welcome to system wars where everything and anything is ridiculous lol. You'll come to know it soon enough though. Its funny how you call me Mr. High Horse when you're the one that thinks your above everyone else. You obviously don't need a lesson in system wars conduct because well its right in the sticky duh, learn to read it. Go cry some where where else if you don't like it. You said you've been gaming most likely longer then me. Now I'm curious to when you have started.

Reviewes aren't the end all. Meaning that the highest rated game isn't always neccesarily better. Meaning thats's what there is renting games and other sites that have other opinions that you can go to. But there is a reason why only the GS score matters in SW, its so people don't go all over the place cherry picking the best and worst scores of a game. Ew this is sounding like a lecture. Just read the front page then decide for yourself. 

you just don't get it do you? I can see you never will. Thats what I get for trying to make sense to a child. silly me. If you think I actually take this place seriously, you are far less intelligent than I think. The only reason I even go to system wars is to laugh at silly fanboys such as yourself, and so time passes at work faster. But you go ahead and think you're affecting me little fella lol.

[QUOTE="BrooklynBomber"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="darklight86"]

GTR 2 beats all other competition in terms of realism.

AdrianWerner

No, rFactor, Nascar Racing 2003 and most of all NetKar PRO are more realistic physic-wise than GTR2, not by much, but still

AiM software supports NetKarPRO and it's on the same level as MoTeC.

NKPRo wins over GTR2 with tyre physics(best one I've seen). Of course in world of high-level pc racing sims the diffrences between top games aren't all that big, but still GTR2 isn't the absolute leader of sim physics

I would never recommend that game to console racers there are no training wheels. GTR 2 can be played by newbs they wont win but they will not be left shafted either. Even going from forza to GTR2 will be a big jump, going to NkPro is suicide imo unless you are a pc sim vet.

GTR2 is great introduction to sim racing. After getting experienced there one can switch to rFactor (for GTR2-like experience only better) or go hardcore with NetKar pro and Live for Speed S2(with S3 it might become king of sims). I wonder how new Simbin games will be, they will be using their engine for the first time ever(both graphical and physics) instead of licensing one from ISI. I wonder how GTR3 will compare to rFactor2 :) I'm betting on ISI though, if only because mod community will likely stay with ISI, instead of learning new code that simbin made

It has been a real pleasure talking here with you a real racing game fan. I know with people like you on forza 2 I will get some good clean races not just bumper cars. I play all racing games and the progression you said is bang on. I always laugh to myself when console only gamers act like forza/gt4 are the best sims ever. When I play console racers it's much less stressful than playing on pc fighting for .001 a lap stalking the leader while trying to save my tires and using pit strategies on fuel and tires. I am wondering how GTR will do on the 360 as well it should spank forza 2 if it's not watered down.

I am currently playing F1 on the ps3 the best racing game on console imo and the guys there are cool and from europe mostly. I hope to see you on live I am generalE.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

ok, before you open your ugly mouth, think about what you are saying.

one pro-driver testing the game, VS whole team of people testing the REAL RACING CARS, on REAL TRACKS, with REAL MECHANICS.

think... think....

 

Game13a13y

you are the blind one apparantly, go ask people around. Forza is a GT clone. if you're not convinced after watching the video i provided, and you go ahead and think that people will be convinced by you showing one pic then a pile of your yap?

You are about the biggest fanboy I have ever seen. You ask for proof, he provides it for you. Oh hell no! That isn;t good enough! It has to be VIDEO footage!! Get a life you fanboy loser.

he just posted a pic to prove that Forza 2 uses pro drive, just one point, thats it. are you so dumb to think?

Am I so dumb to think? To think what? Why don't you try finishing the sentence next time? You call me dumb....

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"]

all of you can quit the score comparison, just watch these video and see how much effort the GT team put behind it then think twice if Forza can match with it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKDdxC3DXlI

now watch before you post again.

 

Game13a13y

*watches video*

okay now you watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3jvuLcpaZg

And remember:

GT4 = 8.9

Forza 2 = 9.2

LOL... good job on showing the making of Forza 2 TRAILER!

now tell me how can you compare it to the GT team having real poeple on the real course driving on the real car testing everything to make sure the GT series is as close as it can get as real life?

article from Popular Science Archive, a few months before forza was released

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/automotivetech/060c1196aeb84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd/2.html

go ahead and read it... unless an educational article will melt ur brain 

Ive got both GT4 and Forza and i go back to Forza more times than i do GT. The handling just feels more dynamic, like the car really is movin and reactin to the track and the bumps and ripples etc underneath you, GT4 on the other hand just feels more like a train ride in comparison where u glide from corner to corner.

Both games have their plusses and minuses but i choose Forza over GT everytime.

By the way, did u guys know that GTR has actually been canned for the 360, im absolutely gutted.

Ive got both GT4 and Forza and i go back to Forza more times than i do GT. The handling just feels more dynamic, like the car really is movin and reactin to the track and the bumps and ripples etc underneath you, GT4 on the other hand just feels more like a train ride in comparison where u glide from corner to corner.

Both games have their plusses and minuses but i choose Forza over GT everytime.

By the way, did u guys know that GTR has actually been canned for the 360, im absolutely gutted.

l34052

If you play GT4 with the FF wheel you will change you mind I think and I can't belive thq dropped GTR for the 360 :cry: 

you just don't get it do you? I can see you never will. Thats what I get for trying to make sense to a child. silly me. If you think I actually take this place seriously, you are far less intelligent than I think. The only reason I even go to system wars is to laugh at silly fanboys such as yourself, and so time passes at work faster. But you go ahead and think you're affecting me little fella lol.

mazdero

I love how you take things so seriously man you're some kinda rebel or something. I also find it hilarious and funny funny when you call me a fanboy when you are using fanboy exuses to defend Gran Turismo.

scores mean nothing. GT4= 4th game in the series, Forza 1= 1st. It is common knowledge game sequals always score lower than the first game in the series unless they do something different and better than the game before it. GT4 was not that much different from GT3, thus the score. Forza being the 1st game of that series, and was a decent game with good AI received what it did because it was the first GT clone to come close to being as well done as GT. Yes, Forza is a GT clone regardless of what you fanboys think. now you know what you can do with your scores.mazdero

Oh and some helpeful advice. Next time you call a game a clone you might want to explain why. Or are all FPS clones of Doom/Wolfenstein too?