Guild Wars 2 would be dead in a year if it had a subscription fee

Back in the old days. This place was like Nazi Germany and the Mods were over sensitive Fashion Police who arrested people on sight for petty reasons like wearing white after labor day.

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[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

MMO's are boring. So it was always dead to me.

ShadowMoses900

I have never played a Korean game before. I would like to play their games but MMO's like WOW are not games in my book so I cannot play it.

If this game is different from WOW then I might try it because it is free.

Video games are interactive entertainment, stop being silly.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have never played a Korean game before. I would like to play their games but MMO's like WOW are not games in my book so I cannot play it.

If this game is different from WOW then I might try it because it is free.

ShadowMoses900

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

Level 60 and I've never had to grind, not even once. The game world is far too large for that to ever happen.

Guild Wars 2 is a game meant to fill the gap for Mist of Pandaria.

You guys keep saying I haven't had to grind once, funny. Go visit the forums for this game and see how pretty much everyone is bored and tired of this game.

What's the point of getting 80 when all the gear is the same?

Oh, you can play dress up...awesome! In reality that means nothing since making your character look different is not worth the investment needed to grind the high level set outs.

GW2, just another MMO.

Guild Wars 2 is a game meant to fill the gap for Mist of Pandaria.

You guys keep saying I haven't had to grind once, funny. Go visit the forums for this game and see how pretty much everyone is bored and tired of this game.

What's the point of getting 80 when all the gear is the same?

Oh, you can play dress up...awesome! In reality that means nothing since making your character look different is not worth the investment needed to grind the high level set outs.

GW2, just another MMO.

Zlychop

A game to fill the gap for mists of pandaria....pffthahahaha keep posting zlychop this is hilarious

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] So,interactive movies aren't games either... :|Zlychop

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

I got the game for free so I have no complaints about a free game :P

It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

ShadowMoses900

Except thats why GW2 is DIFFERENT because its not a numbers game for pvp because everyone gets max level and stat gear when you enter pvp at level 2. HOLY CRAP shadowmoses research the game before you spout nonsense and look like an enormous troll

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

Hahahaha, you said COD takes skill. That's hilarious

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GreenGoblin2099

[QUOTE="rilpas"]guys, stop feeding the trollJohnF111

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look at WoW game is just like guild wars 2 in a way.

People

WoW

1: pay $30 for the game plus it's exspansions (I will never understand why people support buying exspansion pack for a subscribtion game...)

2 create a account,

3 pay a fee EVERY month

4 create character

5 max it out

6 make new character

7 do it all over

Guild wars 2

1 one flat fee

2 create a account

3 create a character

5 max out

6 do it again...

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

MMO's are boring. So it was always dead to me.

Zlychop

So many words to describe you but they would be moderated sadly

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

MMO's are boring. So it was always dead to me.

seanmcloughlin

So many words to describe you but they would be moderated sadly

So true. Zero endgame, super long WvW ques, dungeon play the a big cluster frack, spvp laggy and unresponsive just a mediocre mmo imo.

look at WoW game is just like guild wars 2 in a way.

People

WoW

1: pay $30 for the game plus it's exspansions (I will never understand why people support buying exspansion pack for a subscribtion game...)

2 create a account,

3 pay a fee EVERY month

4 create character

5 max it out

6 make new character

7 do it all over

Guild wars 2

1 one flat fee

2 create a account

3 create a character

5 max out

6 do it again...

k2theswiss

You mean like every other mmo out there? Yeah, name one recent subscription-based game that has done exceedingly well past one year. Sure, TC, what you said was 100% surprising:roll:

On another note, GW2 is pretty good. Yay.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

zclerp the usderp of gamespot is such fail :lol:

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I don't know. I have never played one of those before. Closest one's would be The Walking Dead and Heavy Rain. But I like those so those are games, they have objectives and goals to them. MMO like WOW or The Old Republic do not.

There is no point in those games, nothing to accomplish. Just waste time clicking on things to raise a stupid arbitary number and do boring reptitive fetch quests just to try and raise a stupid arbitary number.

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

Agreed. You are correct. And not only that, but they don't even require timing. It just depends on how big your number level is. No skill invloved at all.

Unlike COD where you can be level 1 and own someone who is level 70. Because that game takes skill.

So true. Zero endgame, super long WvW ques, dungeon play the a big cluster frack, spvp laggy and unresponsive just a mediocre mmo imo.

FPSfan1985

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

No strategy involved at all. No skill. Not real games.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

So true. Zero endgame, super long WvW ques, dungeon play the a big cluster frack, spvp laggy and unresponsive just a mediocre mmo imo.

Zlychop

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

Actually you are the one with the idiotic replies, the difference between following an NPC in CoD is that the gameplay is much much more dynamic than GW2's press keys 1-8 style. CoD is a much deeper game fundamentally.Zlychop

COD's isn't dynamic; it's as rigid as a game comes, singleplayer is fixed to extremely high levels of scripting and player control, multiplayer is fixed to restrictive shooting galleries build around fixed game modes. In terms of 'world reactivity' there is none, or dynamic systems operating in the background there is none, the closest thing we have is the killstreaks system adding variables to combat.

Which is fine, it's not trying to be a dynamic game; it is a fixed manshooter and good for it.COD since 2003 was never structured around being 'dynamic'.

GW2 on the other hand is structured heavily around dynamic (yes you read that word right) world events, bosses, raids, quests etc. In order to govern its players and create a stronger sense of player involvement in he game world; something missing from many 'themepark MMOs' like lets say World of Warcraft (the biggest thing we had in that was roaming bosses and the odd world PvP clashes).

If you want to be reductive, GW2's gameplay is that and COD's is 'aim and shoot'. Reality is that's both wrong.
COD isn't deeper fundamentally, there's zero evidence for it.

What is is, is different to GW2 in almost every damn way conceivable. Trying to make connections and links for a direct comparison is outright dumb.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

So true. Zero endgame, super long WvW ques, dungeon play the a big cluster frack, spvp laggy and unresponsive just a mediocre mmo imo.

Vaasman

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] thisionusX

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]What's your character's name? We'll have to play some time. You've obviously made it to the end game so lets run CoE and Arah man, I want to get those story modes done and then work on the explorable CoE. Will take a lot of runs to get the best looking gear and it will require a lot of coordination so we'd better get started. After that, maybe we could do some WvW and structured PvP, we're both level 80 and have a strong stat advantage so it should be fun. Then maybe we can explore the world together and grab map completion, and check out some of the lower level zones we missed leveling up, and maybe find all the secret jumping puzzles, dynamic events, world bosses, and treasure chests, find dyes, and work out way up to legendary gear.

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

Vaasman

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaKH59AyQnI&feature=related

Having to walk around, do heart quest, and participate in DE's is a grind. The game promotes exploration which is really a cover up for grinding.Zlychop

Walking around and doing quests in an MMO ?

Oh, the humanity !

:lol: Still having a blast with the game...Haters sooooo much haters....

I can clearly tell that you have not played Guild Wars 2. I hate MMOs, but love GW2. Why? It makes playing a MMO really fun. There is no more grinding, no more fetch quests and most importantly, no monthly fees. It does everything right that every other MMO I played did wrong.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

So true. Zero endgame, super long WvW ques, dungeon play the a big cluster frack, spvp laggy and unresponsive just a mediocre mmo imo.

Vaasman

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

[QUOTE="Zlychop"]Actually you are the one with the idiotic replies, the difference between following an NPC in CoD is that the gameplay is much much more dynamic than GW2's press keys 1-8 style. CoD is a much deeper game fundamentally.skrat_01

COD's isn't dynamic; it's as rigid as a game comes, singleplayer is fixed to extremely high levels of scripting and player control, multiplayer is fixed to restrictive shooting galleries build around fixed game modes. In terms of 'world reactivity' there is none, or dynamic systems operating in the background there is none, the closest thing we have is the killstreaks system adding variables to combat.

Which is fine, it's not trying to be a dynamic game; it is a fixed manshooter and good for it.COD since 2003 was never structured around being 'dynamic'.

GW2 on the other hand is structured heavily around dynamic (yes you read that word right) world events, bosses, raids, quests etc. In order to govern its players and create a stronger sense of player involvement in he game world; something missing from many 'themepark MMOs' like lets say World of Warcraft (the biggest thing we had in that was roaming bosses and the odd world PvP clashes).

If you want to be reductive, GW2's gameplay is that and COD's is 'aim and shoot'. Reality is that's both wrong.
COD isn't deeper fundamentally, there's zero evidence for it.

What is is, is different to GW2 in almost every damn way conceivable. Trying to make connections and links for a direct comparison is outright dumb.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="Zlychop"] thisionusX

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]What's your character's name? We'll have to play some time. You've obviously made it to the end game so lets run CoE and Arah man, I want to get those story modes done and then work on the explorable CoE. Will take a lot of runs to get the best looking gear and it will require a lot of coordination so we'd better get started. After that, maybe we could do some WvW and structured PvP, we're both level 80 and have a strong stat advantage so it should be fun. Then maybe we can explore the world together and grab map completion, and check out some of the lower level zones we missed leveling up, and maybe find all the secret jumping puzzles, dynamic events, world bosses, and treasure chests, find dyes, and work out way up to legendary gear.

Oh, nevermind, we can't do any of that because once you hit 80 the game stops and you don't do anything. Sorry nevermind.

Let's hear your character name anyway though, we'll have a ball.

FPSfan1985

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="ionusX"] zychop ahs no character he runs his mouth about games he doesnt own :P

fpsfan is also a nobody as his name implies he would sooner molest a copy of CoD than pick up an MMO and play a game longer than 2 hours with story driven gameplay :P if it doesnt have a first person view and a firearm and the abiltiy to swear with his 12yr old voice. he wont play it :P

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] So because I enjoy FPS I can't enjoy MMOs. Please. I've played and enjoyed many a MMO, FFXI and WoW BC being my favorites. GW2 just really isn't much of a game. The PvE is a bunch of zergfests bunched together, with quest hubs thrown around the world, I'm not a huge fan of exploration so getting all the vistas and what not means nothing to me although I'm sure it's a nice option for some. SPvP while fun when it works is very broken right now. Between the horrible auto balance, not being able to que with friends, lag, down state and overall unresponsiveness of the game it's hard to find a match you can enjoy for longer than a few matches. I've played enough MMOs to know what is and isn't going to work. And a game based around nothing but zerg tactics is just going to fall flat on its face. After people start to understand they can find a world boss start auto attack and afk to loot they are going to get bored. If they fix SPvP by removing the down state and making it more responsive I'll have to problem playing the game, but as it is now, I really don't enjoy it.FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] So because I enjoy FPS I can't enjoy MMOs. Please. I've played and enjoyed many a MMO, FFXI and WoW BC being my favorites. GW2 just really isn't much of a game. The PvE is a bunch of zergfests bunched together, with quest hubs thrown around the world, I'm not a huge fan of exploration so getting all the vistas and what not means nothing to me although I'm sure it's a nice option for some. SPvP while fun when it works is very broken right now. Between the horrible auto balance, not being able to que with friends, lag, down state and overall unresponsiveness of the game it's hard to find a match you can enjoy for longer than a few matches. I've played enough MMOs to know what is and isn't going to work. And a game based around nothing but zerg tactics is just going to fall flat on its face. After people start to understand they can find a world boss start auto attack and afk to loot they are going to get bored. If they fix SPvP by removing the down state and making it more responsive I'll have to problem playing the game, but as it is now, I really don't enjoy it.FPSfan1985