Halo 3, best FPS ever?

Around 10 years from now the gamers who are clamoring about games like quake and doom will all have gotten old and the rest of us will start to call halo 3 one of the best games of all time. These gamers can't see past the haze of nostalgia and see that halo 3 was virtually perfect.

No, just No.

Around 10 years from now the gamers who are clamoring about games like quake and doom will all have gotten old and the rest of us will start to call halo 3 one of the best games of all time. These gamers can't see past the haze of nostalgia and see that halo 3 was virtually perfect.

2-10-08

im one of those gamers, in terms of game mechanics quake live is near perfect.

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Around 10 years from now the gamers who are clamoring about games like quake and doom will all have gotten old and the rest of us will start to call halo 3 one of the best games of all time. These gamers can't see past the haze of nostalgia and see that halo 3 was virtually perfect.

SoBaus

im one of those gamers, in terms of game mechanics quake live is near perfect.

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

Heirren

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

Heirren

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

I can understand why younger people think its so good. They game does appeal to the younger audience, bright colours, american kiddy accents etc.

Halo 3 wasn't even the best in the series.

I found it to be one of the worst. So no.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

Puckhog04

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]Lmao, it's not even the best fps this gen.....................Heirren

What is then? Because honestly, I play Reach all the time, and I think Halo 3 may be the more balanced multiplayer game.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

aeons_ago_1990

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

You're analogy is terrible. Try again.

So you overplay Halo 3 and Downplay Half Life 2...typical console gamer. Ignorant. Oh, and I only hit the wall with a crowbar for like 5 minutes...not much longer. :|

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]

Around 10 years from now the gamers who are clamoring about games like quake and doom will all have gotten old and the rest of us will start to call halo 3 one of the best games of all time. These gamers can't see past the haze of nostalgia and see that halo 3 was virtually perfect.

2-10-08

im one of those gamers, in terms of game mechanics quake live is near perfect.

no, i dont think so.

If bungie cant be bothered to listen to them and all. 10 years from now you might have some clout, but as it stands... any fps player with actual skill will tell you quake 3 arena nailed the formula, and everyone else forgot it. That includes CSS, yes people that play CSS were idiots.

Halo 3 was late to the online fps game, and more than a dollar short. Quake nailed the formula, for people with skill.

[QUOTE="aeons_ago_1990"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

Puckhog04

You're analogy is terrible. Try again. I only hit the wall with a crowbar for like 5 minutes...not much longer. :|

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="aeons_ago_1990"] can you even compare hl2 to halo 3? ok would i rather be taking on two giant scarabs with a party of 4 friends, or lonely hitting the wall with a crowbar? uhhhh , typical PC gamer.aeons_ago_1990

You're analogy is terrible. Try again. I only hit the wall with a crowbar for like 5 minutes...not much longer. :|

That was sarcasm. No,I realized I wasn't a mindless console gamer that needed to shoot something every half second or my ADD kicks in. Then I started actually playing Half Life 2...You know what, Na, I just enjoyed it from the beginning. Enjoy Halo 3 though. :roll:

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Someone please make a list of fps games better than halo3. None of the on-rails shooters like MW, please. And don't bother with ones with unbalanced online, as well.

Puckhog04

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

I disagree with all of those. I like all the games you mentioned except fo UT2k4. The problem with HL2, again, still a good game, is that it just relies too much on the physics. The actual shooting and variables in battle is pretty lacking, especially the enemy ai. I don't play much TF2, but I remember really liking the multiplayer of that game. However, I don't get any urge to play it anymore--same deal with CS. Arma II. You know, I just recently bought this maybe 4 months ago when I got a new pc. It is a good game--my preferred type of fps actually--but I never felt compelled to even finish it. The multiplayer is somewhat lacking.

What really sets the Halo games apart is the replayability. Going back to the first Halo--it is just a fun game to play, which is probably why people didn't mind dying 100 times on legendary and refverting back to a checkpoint. The battles really varied depending on player choices. This is a rarity among fps games, especially ones that don't deal with one-shot-one kill--arma 2 types.

Let's also not forget the ability to go through the campaign with FOUR people. That just can't be topped. Even two is great. This is where the Halo franchise really delivers. It's like shooting a basketball by yourself or running drills vs. actually playing full fledged game with other people.

even most ps3 gamers will agree with halo 3 being the best fps ever, sure quake and doom where good, but what? because they where first fps's to come out , they where the best? grow up and stop living 500 years ago! in this generation halo 3 is the best.aeons_ago_1990

I'm really not a sony fanboy, though I'm called one all the time, but I will say that Halo Reach has been in my xbox since it came out. I've been thinking about going back to Halo 3 though. Loadouts aren't that great.

[QUOTE="aeons_ago_1990"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

You're analogy is terrible. Try again. I only hit the wall with a crowbar for like 5 minutes...not much longer. :|

Puckhog04

That was sarcasm. No,I realized I wasn't a mindless console gamer that needed to shoot something every half second or my ADD kicks in. Then I started actually playing Half Life 2...You know what, Na, I just enjoyed it from the beginning. Enjoy Halo 3 though. :roll:

And BS... here is a professional starcraft 2 announcer, talking about his love of plot and story.

Talking about how he hates mindless action and just loves intelligent puzzles and well designed plot... If you play the most popular Pc exclusive on the planet... you may know him, because hes a celebrity in SC2 community (often called the most cerebral of PC exclusives).... anyhow... here is a peek into the mind of a famous PC gamer (that hates consoles gamers)

TotalBiscuit

But yea, PC gamers are just as mindless... if not moreso. Give me a break.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

UT2k4

Half Life 2

TF2

Counterstrike

ArmA II

That's just off the top of my head. All have far better multiplayer (and HL2's SP is far superior to Halo 3's) and modded maps that keep the game going in terms of longetivity.

Heirren

I disagree with all of those. I like all the games you mentioned except fo UT2k4. The problem with HL2, again, still a good game, is that it just relies too much on the physics. The actual shooting and variables in battle is pretty lacking, especially the enemy ai. I don't play much TF2, but I remember really liking the multiplayer of that game. However, I don't get any urge to play it anymore--same deal with CS. Arma II. You know, I just recently bought this maybe 4 months ago when I got a new pc. It is a good game--my preferred type of fps actually--but I never felt compelled to even finish it. The multiplayer is somewhat lacking.

What really sets the Halo games apart is the replayability. Going back to the first Halo--it is just a fun game to play, which is probably why people didn't mind dying 100 times on legendary and refverting back to a checkpoint. The battles really varied depending on player choices. This is a rarity among fps games, especially ones that don't deal with one-shot-one kill--arma 2 types.

even most ps3 gamers will agree with halo 3 being the best fps ever, sure quake and doom where good, but what? because they where first fps's to come out , they where the best? grow up and stop living 500 years ago! in this generation halo 3 is the best.aeons_ago_1990

I'm really not a sony fanboy, though I'm called one all the time, but I will say that Halo Reach has been in my xbox since it came out. I've been thinking about going back to Halo 3 though. Loadouts aren't that great.

That's the nature of an opinion,they differ. The main draw to all the games I listed, except HL2, was the multiplayer. Though CS:S is essentially HL2's multiplayer. Halo 3's multiplayer was it's main attraction. In terms of competitive atmosphere, content, amount of players, number of maps, essentially everything, UT2k4, CS, ArmA II, and TF2 all destroy Halo 3. But, hey, to each his own.

even most ps3 gamers will agree with halo 3 being the best fps ever, sure quake and doom where good, but what? because theywhere first fps's to come out , they where the best? grow up and stop living 500 years ago! in this generation halo 3 is the best.aeons_ago_1990

Doom 1, Doom 2, Quake 2, Quake 3 - they all are better than Halo 3.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="aeons_ago_1990"] and then you started playing halo 3, :)SoBaus

That was sarcasm. No,I realized I wasn't a mindless console gamer that needed to shoot something every half second or my ADD kicks in. Then I started actually playing Half Life 2...You know what, Na, I just enjoyed it from the beginning. Enjoy Halo 3 though. :roll:

And BS... here is a professional starcraft 2 announcer, talking about his love of plot and story.

Talking about how he hates mindless action and just loves intelligent puzzles and well designed plot... If you play the most popular Pc exclusive on the planet... you may know him, because hes a celebrity in SC2 community (often called the most cerebral of PC exclusives).... anyhow... here is a peek into the mind of a famous PC gamer (that hates consoles gamers)

TotalBiscuit

But yea, PC gamers are just as mindless... if not moreso. Give me a break.

I guess that's why games like Minecraft and Terraria have caught on so heavily in the PC community, because we're mindless. Yes, that makes sense. How could I have missed that...:|

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

That was sarcasm. No,I realized I wasn't a mindless console gamer that needed to shoot something every half second or my ADD kicks in. Then I started actually playing Half Life 2...You know what, Na, I just enjoyed it from the beginning. Enjoy Halo 3 though. :roll:

Puckhog04

And BS... here is a professional starcraft 2 announcer, talking about his love of plot and story.

Talking about how he hates mindless action and just loves intelligent puzzles and well designed plot... If you play the most popular Pc exclusive on the planet... you may know him, because hes a celebrity in SC2 community (often called the most cerebral of PC exclusives).... anyhow... here is a peek into the mind of a famous PC gamer (that hates consoles gamers)

TotalBiscuit

But yea, PC gamers are just as mindless... if not moreso. Give me a break.

I guess that's why games like Minecraft and Terraria have caught on so heavily in the PC community, because we're mindless. Yes, that makes sense. How could I have missed that...:|

Well starcraft 2 is usually considered a pinnacle of PC gaming, TB being one of the most prominent SC2 casters... and all he can say when playing duke nukem is " i want to shoot people, why am i not shooting, i want to be shooting" like an F'n child.

But PC gamers are known for their maturity "why is there dialogue and plot when i want to be shooting?"

Its the most displaced superiority complex that ive ever seen.

Surprisingly the low res MMOS are probably the most cerebral of PC offerings, not the high res mindless shooters.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

And BS... here is a professional starcraft 2 announcer, talking about his love of plot and story.

Talking about how he hates mindless action and just loves intelligent puzzles and well designed plot... If you play the most popular Pc exclusive on the planet... you may know him, because hes a celebrity in SC2 community (often called the most cerebral of PC exclusives).... anyhow... here is a peek into the mind of a famous PC gamer (that hates consoles gamers)

TotalBiscuit

But yea, PC gamers are just as mindless... if not moreso. Give me a break.

SoBaus

I guess that's why games like Minecraft and Terraria have caught on so heavily in the PC community, because we're mindless. Yes, that makes sense. How could I have missed that...:|

Well starcraft 2 is usually considered a pinnacle of PC gaming, TB being one of the most prominent SC2 casters... and all he can say when playing duke nukem is " i want to shoot people, why am i not shooting, i want to be shooting" like an F'n child.

But PC gamers are known for their maturity "why is there dialogue and plot when i want to be shooting?"

Its the most displaced superiority complex that ive ever seen.

Surprisingly the low res MMOS are probably the most cerebral of PC offerings, not the high res mindless shooters.

afaik shooters like duke nukem should not be shoving down a horrendous story and dialogue down someones throat. Story should not detract from the fun or break the pacing of the game.

On Topic: Halo CE >>>>>> Halo 3

That's the nature of an opinion,they differ. The main draw to all the games I listed, except HL2, was the multiplayer. Though CS:S is essentially HL2's multiplayer. Halo 3's multiplayer was it's main attraction. In terms of competitive atmosphere, content, amount of players, number of maps, essentially everything, UT2k4, CS, ArmA II, and TF2 all destroy Halo 3. But, hey, to each his own.

Puckhog04

I don't believe "best" is always an opinion. If someone said MW2/BO was the best fps game, I could give reasons why it is not--unbalanced multiplayer and a one dimensional solo campaign. For example: Mario 64 is a better made game than Mystical Ninja 64. One may enjoy the latter more, but it isn't the more polished, well thought out, experience.

Do you mind giving some reasons why you prefer some of the games you mentioned?

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

And BS... here is a professional starcraft 2 announcer, talking about his love of plot and story.

Talking about how he hates mindless action and just loves intelligent puzzles and well designed plot... If you play the most popular Pc exclusive on the planet... you may know him, because hes a celebrity in SC2 community (often called the most cerebral of PC exclusives).... anyhow... here is a peek into the mind of a famous PC gamer (that hates consoles gamers)

TotalBiscuit

But yea, PC gamers are just as mindless... if not moreso. Give me a break.

SoBaus

I guess that's why games like Minecraft and Terraria have caught on so heavily in the PC community, because we're mindless. Yes, that makes sense. How could I have missed that...:|

Well starcraft 2 is usually considered a pinnacle of PC gaming, TB being one of the most prominent SC2 casters... and all he can say when playing duke nukem is " i want to shoot people, why am i not shooting, i want to be shooting" like an F'n child.

But PC gamers are known for their maturity "why is there dialogue and plot when i want to be shooting?"

Its the most displaced superiority complex that ive ever seen.

Surprisingly the low res MMOS are probably the most cerebral of PC offerings, not the high res mindless shooters.

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

I guess that's why games like Minecraft and Terraria have caught on so heavily in the PC community, because we're mindless. Yes, that makes sense. How could I have missed that...:|

supdotcom

Well starcraft 2 is usually considered a pinnacle of PC gaming, TB being one of the most prominent SC2 casters... and all he can say when playing duke nukem is " i want to shoot people, why am i not shooting, i want to be shooting" like an F'n child.

But PC gamers are known for their maturity "why is there dialogue and plot when i want to be shooting?"

Its the most displaced superiority complex that ive ever seen.

Surprisingly the low res MMOS are probably the most cerebral of PC offerings, not the high res mindless shooters.

afaik shooters like duke nukem should not be shoving down a horrendous story and dialogue down someones throat. Story should not detract from the fun or break the pacing of the game, which it has.

On Topic: Halo CE >>>>>> Halo 3

Why did you think people loved duke3d over doom2 and quake? it was the the crappy one liners and environment interaction that made duke popular on pc.

i shouldnt need to be schooling pc gamers on this.

I'd say that FPS that's not on PC doesn't qualify for the "best FPS ever" title by default.

ODST is way better than 3.

It's not even the best Halo, how can it be the best FPS?

singleplayer wise : no

multiplayer wise: no

so no it isnt the best fps ever, its not even the best halo

Half Life for me :D although god I've spent so many hours in Halo 3 xD

It is the best 'Multiplayer' fps ever on 'Consoles' imo... It isn't even close in that department.

As there's a 1990 in your name, I'm guessing that's when you were born.

As I grew up, shooters like Wolfenstien, Doom, Goldeneye, Half life and Quake revolutionized the FPS. Halo did at a time too, then it stagnated, which is evident in H3. Now they all stagnate, so it's hard to look at any modern day example as "the best".

It must be hard for new gamers growing up on Halo and COD, their standards as they see them would be incredibly high, yet in reality in comparison to everything else, are amazingly low. That's why COD sells so well I guess.

It's not even the best Halo game.

It's full of flaws, especially in the singleplayer.

It' eons away from being the 'best' of anything.

It is a good, robust game though.

Halo 1 or 2 imo. Bioshock and The Orange Box are up there too. I'm looking forward to Bioshock Infinite and Halo Anniversary!

Not the best ever, but an awesome game. Halo :CE crushes it, just to name another Halo game.

No but its a great game.

Going back to the first Halo--it is just a fun game to play, which is probably why people didn't mind dying 100 times on legendary and refverting back to a checkpoint. The battles really varied depending on player choices. This is a rarity among fps games, especially ones that don't deal with one-shot-one kill--arma 2 types.

Heirren

Lol no way. A fun game, and some crazy MP, but not best ever.

Good game no doubt,but the only halo game that deserves to be mentioned along the top FPS´s of all time is CE,not really 3,and most certainly not the best ever,at all.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"] It's a bit of a shame really that developers aren't looking in retrospect to what Halo did really well in these regards. DarkLink77

From what I know people seem to cherry pick mechanical aspects from it, and that's where it ends. Stuff like the pacing, level architecture, the A.i. and the relationship of various systems with each other is ignored completely generally.

Which is why Halo clones come so much off as 'clones' in a basic respect, and no shooter really has the same feel as the series. Same goes for other shooters like Valve's, it's a trademark of a smart dev who knows how to sculpt a game well out of all those bits and pieces.

It's more of a matter of undestanding the greater context of the bits cherry picked, than just grabbing them because 'it worked and it solves us the problem of finidng out own solution'.

It is the best 'Multiplayer' fps ever on 'Consoles' imo... It isn't even close in that department.

VendettaRed07