Halo 3 >>>> all PC shooters.

Now before you all go jumping down my throat let me explain. The first Halo was widely accepted to be just as good as Half Life. (Even GS said it in a video review) Halo 2 was easily one of the best mutiplayer games ever when it came out, and Halo 3 surpass both those games in all ways. The reason why the Halo series is hated on so much is quite simple actually, it's the reason why emo music is hated on so much these days: because of popularity.

And the reason why Halo games are so popular is because of the quality. This has led to countless elitists who bash Halo games whenever possible because it's not a 10 year old game on the PC. The reality is that all Halo games have done a lot for console shooters.

And before someone brings up really old games, keep in mind that those games might have beengreat for their time but they are out dated in ever way possible compared to Halo 3.

Discuss :). Let's try and keep this as civil as possible.

dracula_16

Dude, Halo might do alot for a console shooters, but there's a little problem with your statement.

HALO. IS. STILL. A. FRICKIN. CONSOLE. SHOOTER.

So saying that Halo incredibly sucks comparing to other PC shooters, suddenly makes us, PC gamers, a "elitist crowd".

No, dude. It's just a pure reality.

Halo owns on a console, but at the same time, Halo sucks incredibly on the PC.

You can't change that.

Why?

Because PC offers a zillion times better FPS titles, but of course you wouldn't know that because you probably never played a PC game in your life.

End of story.

Now before you all go jumping down my throat let me explain. The first Halo was widely accepted to be just as good as Half Life. (Even GS said it in a video review) Halo 2 was easily one of the best mutiplayer games ever when it came out, and Halo 3 surpass both those games in all ways. The reason why the Halo series is hated on so much is quite simple actually, it's the reason why emo music is hated on so much these days: because of popularity.

And the reason why Halo games are so popular is because of the quality. This has led to countless elitists who bash Halo games whenever possible because it's not a 10 year old game on the PC. The reality is that all Halo games have done a lot for console shooters.

And before someone brings up really old games, keep in mind that those games might have beengreat for their time but they are out dated in ever way possible compared to Halo 3.

Discuss :). Let's try and keep this as civil as possible.

Its obviously your opinion. I can just as easily say Soldier Of Fortune SE> Halo 3....

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]you and people like you are why system wars sucks....dracula_16

Please explain. I didn't just post 1 line and end it off with a laughing smiley face- I throughly explained myself. I think you are just angry that you can't find any arguement to back yourself up.

Explain why Halo has never won a Shooter of the year let alone GOTY? Explain why there are not many many more Xbox's on the market if this so called "GOD OF FPS" is crippiling the PC FPS? Why? because it isnt ...

Oh and Emo music is hated because its annoying and puts your mood down ... not because its popular, all music forms are popular in some way.

It's no wonder that after we were done dodging fire, jumping for cover and kicking ass, we felt robbed when thinking back on our Gears console experience. Running for cover from the Brumak's attack, executing our victims and having a precision shot from our torque-bow (thanks to the mouse), all in a crisp resolution, is the way the game was meant to be played all along.1UP

[quote="1UP"]It's no wonder that after we were done dodging fire, jumping for cover and kicking ass, we felt robbed when thinking back on our Gears console experience. Running for cover from the Brumak's attack, executing our victims and having a precision shot from our torque-bow (thanks to the mouse), all in a crisp resolution, is the way the game was meant to be played all along.Zeliard9

Sounds about right, Lemmings can keep dreaming, but they cant compete for quality... only mass marketing and sheepish hype.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][quote="1UP"]It's no wonder that after we were done dodging fire, jumping for cover and kicking ass, we felt robbed when thinking back on our Gears console experience. Running for cover from the Brumak's attack, executing our victims and having a precision shot from our torque-bow (thanks to the mouse), all in a crisp resolution, is the way the game was meant to be played all along.Meu2k7

Sounds about right, Lemmings can keep dreaming, but they cant compete for quality... only mass marketing and sheepish hype.

waits for hermits are arrogant, elitist etc etc

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][quote="1UP"]It's no wonder that after we were done dodging fire, jumping for cover and kicking ass, we felt robbed when thinking back on our Gears console experience. Running for cover from the Brumak's attack, executing our victims and having a precision shot from our torque-bow (thanks to the mouse), all in a crisp resolution, is the way the game was meant to be played all along.naval

Sounds about right, Lemmings can keep dreaming, but they cant compete for quality... only mass marketing and sheepish hype.

waits for hermits are arrogant, elitist etc etc

:D I find it funny that Lemmings can call us elitist when they make out* Halo 3 is the best FPS ever, just because of sales and media attention, even though the media has no real clue about the game and are just reporting the hype based on some really bad videos (BBC anyone?) ...

YoYo's got media coverage lemmings, YoYo's sold a hell of a lot, but nobody cares.

If Halo 3 doesnt get shooter of the year, I can officially jsut point and laugh at lemmings until the next one comes, jsut prooves how wrong they was once again.

I've played most of the best FPS, Half life 1+2, System Shock 2, Deus Ex, Bioshock, UT, Quake, Doom, Duke Nukem ect.

But for me Halo 3 beats them all, it'sjust...fun, more so than any FPS I've ever played I think,sure I like all those other games and I'm getting COD4 and Orange box this year, just saying Halo 3rox.

Okay, first off your entitled to your own opinion, and it seems like the people that are insulting you are just inconsiderate. I did not like how you said that you have been "owning" hermits, but I will still give you this list of reasons why I feel that PC shooters are up to a higher caliper

• They are generally cheaper about $10
• The customization options are quite numerous and plentiful compared to the xbox 360
• Mods can significantly improve your gaming experience ten-fold
• You have to pay to play Halo 3 online, while PC shooters are generally free
• If the same exact game was released on both the PC and 360, the PC will automatically have the advantage with free SP and MP mods
• The KB&M does have the advantage in shooters
• Halo 3 has the same MP as Halo 2, and the forge is something that PC shooters have been blessed with years ago
• You can easily Overclock your GPU and CPU to get even better graphics and frame rates, and it can be done relatively easily with just a little patience
• You do not have to have the disk in the drive to play like you have to have for Halo 3

These are just a few reasons why PC shooters are better. And if you go by the review scores of games, then you have to factor in the stiffer competition that the PC provides. It has been proven and even Gamespot admits that PC games are graded more severe than with regular consoles. While Halo 3 is a huge step in the right direction for console gaming, it is just starting to do what has been done on PC shooters years ago.

I see it now

Halo 3(360)-Great Console game, arguably the best console shooter

Halo 3(PC)-Average FPS, does not hold up to the Pc's standards

smokeydabear076

this has been said to death and just simply isn't true.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

I see it now

Halo 3(360)-Great Console game, arguably the best console shooter

Halo 3(PC)-Average FPS, does not hold up to the Pc's standards

ItalStallion777

this has been said to death and just simply isn't true.

Its beens aid by reviewers of Halo 1 and Halo 2 ... so why wouldnt Halo 3 follow after UT3/Crysis?

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Ok......Halo 3 sucks compared to Pc shooters IMO. What now? Where do we go from here? A few hundered posts as to why I am a Halo Hater, PC Fanboy, and an idiot. The fact is there are no facts when it comes to which game is better, because reviews are just another opinion. So there really is no need to say IMO, it is pretty much implied.Spartan070

It happened yesterday in the discussion about Halo SP vs DE and SS2.

I NEVER once said that it's impossible for someone to prefer ______ over ______, but the fact that the TC acts like his OPINIONS are FACTS really pisses me off. Like I have said before if the TC doesn't get banned, the mods (except forMAYBE casey because casey is just that awesome...) will have lost my respect. Allowing someone who blatantly flamebaits and actslike everyone who disagrees with him is an idiotthroughout an entire thread to not get a suspension at the very least is inexcusable. I respect his opinion and to him, maybe Halo 3 is the greatest game ever, but to say that it is a fact true for everyone is perfectly rediculous. And then, him constantly insulting people throughout the thread is rediculous...

[QUOTE="kevy619"]

lol, shut up. There are no higher pc standards, thats just a silly myth. Unreal Tournament also got a higher review score that year. So now are you going to say that Unreal Tournament games have lower standards than other pc shooters?

CaseyWegner

half-life 2 beat halo 2 for shooter of the year despite scoring lower.

the pc version of star wars battlefront got the "best" tag despite scoring lower than the xbox version. why is that?

"Ironically, though the PC version of the game is technically the best, it also faces the stiffest direct competition, because to many PC shooter fans the game may come off as old hat. After all, aside from the Star Wars universe, Battlefront doesn't deliver anything PC players haven't seen before, even though it's a solid game in its own right. The console versions of the game--especially the Xbox version--might seem more fresh and appealing to their respective audiences, who don't have as many choices in online team-based shooters."

Owned

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="ChiChiMonKilla"]Tc just stop this right now the original halo did not win GOTY,HL2 did not win GOTY and HL3 won't win GOTY either. Why because there are better fps on pc even though halo might score higher it's no matchfor pc fps.FrozenLiquid

HL1 and HL2 have gotten FPS GOTYs.

Halo CE got the console FPS GOTY (PC and console seperated at the time).

And the Half Life series is much better than Halo.

Heck people compare Halo to Half Life. Uh Half Life came out 3 years earlier, than Halo, and it delivers a better FPS experience (imo).

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Oh and Half Life 2 singleplayer is MUCH better than Halo 3s. Seriously it KILLS it. Halo 3s features + MP is its saving grace.

Disagreed.

Halo 3 is better than Half Life 2, but I'm still not sure about the first Half Life.

I still don't know why people believe Half Life 2 is superior to the original. It had top notch presentation, but that was about it.

I still gave it 9.7 previously, but it just doesn't hold a candle to the original.

Half Life 2 feels like a 16-18 hour long thrill ride, Halo 3 feels like an epic action movie in some spots, but in others it feels like a chore.

In comparison to HL1, the two are quite different in their own ways, but 2 simply extends from what 1 did, and introduces plenty of new thing - its variety of combat, set pieces, enemies - gameplay elements ect. Halo 3 on the other hand feels just like CE did back in 2001, but much more spectacular - though its faults are much more jarring.

And after playing through all of the EXELLENT Minerva Eposdic mods, I can safley say HL2 Sp (even this user created spinoff) exeedes Halo 3.

Oh and another thing with the original HL1 - well for its time it was years ahed, so its understandable if the second doesent make as much as an impression or impact. I dont think any other game has made as much as an impression on me as HL1 did. Bioshock came as close as HL2 though.

I seriously beg to differ. The singleplayer experience of HL2 is far superiour on multiple levels. The pacing, the set pieces, the variety of combat, situations, and enimies far exeedes everything Halo offers.

Half Life 2 feels like a 16-18 hour long thrill ride, Halo 3 feels like an epic action movie in some spots, but in others it feels like a chore.

In comparison to HL1, the two are quite different in their own ways, but 2 simply extends from what 1 did - in its variety of combat, set pieces, enemies ect. Halo 3 on the other hand feels just like CE did back in 2001, but much more spectacular - though its faults are much more jarring.

And after playing through all of the EXELLENT Minerva Eposdic mods, I can safley say HL2 Sp (even this user created spinoff) exeedes Halo 3.

Oh and another thing with the original HL1 - well for its time it was years ahed, so its understandable if the second doesent make as much as an impression or impact. I dont think any other game has made as much as an impression on me as HL1 did. Bioshock came as close as HL2 though.

skrat_01

Too bad I don't like both Half Life and Halo :(

Too bad I don't like both Half Life and Halo :(

Lonelynight

Halo done a lot for console shooters, the controls for Halo are simply flawless, the amount of content mind blowing and the game is just pure fun. But in the end its all down to opinion, some people might prefer FPS's in the style of Bioshock and Half-life where there are puzzles and obstacles to make you think to pure combat FPS's like Halo.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Too bad I don't like both Half Life and Halo :(

skrat_01

I'm too scared to play it right now :( damn zombies :cry:

Halo done a lot for console shooters, the controls for Halo are simply flawless, the amount of content mind blowing and the game is just pure fun. But in the end its all down to opinion, some people might prefer FPS's in the style of Bioshock and Half-life where there are puzzles and obstacles to make you think to pure combat FPS's like Halo.

Ultra-Fatality

No one is argueing that.. But what is being pointed out is teh singleplayer is comparable to many out there and at very least rival Halo.. In fact the only thing that is really nice is teh co-op and thats it.. Multiplayer on the other hand is absolutely over-rated 80% of the time its a simple death match which in alot of peoples opinions has numerous multiplayers out there that surpass it in multiple ways. Death matchs are fun, but to some how claim its the "best fps ever made" is flat out stupid.. It might be your favorite, but I have to be hoenst the vast majority of pc gamers who have played the game were no impressed.. For me it felt like playing the first and second, no new changes and nothing that really made it stand out.. OTHER then the co-op.. Now this is by no means fact its of course my opinion, in the end I never try to claim one fps is the best ever made.. Because each and eveyr one has their feel.. I might have a personal favorite but that by no means makes it the best.. But after playing FPS's for over a decade the only enjoyment I have gotten from Halo 3 is the splitscreen.

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Ugh,

anyone who plays UT3 on a console needs to be slapped.

FrozenLiquid

:D

I don't disagree. By the way have you played the Crysis beta? I remember you saying you wanted to, and there were keys open to everybody for a while. Ever snag one?

Sadly man, I didn't.

Hopefully there's another batch coming, unless there's still a few left? -/hopeful-

Also, I kinda wanna test my performance with a decently optimized build. I know that's a far cry (no pun intended) for a Beta build, but it would be nice.

i was able to get one, it's fun once you get used to how stuff works. but it's not coming up on my x-fire. :(

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Too bad I don't like both Half Life and Halo :(

Lonelynight

I'm too scared to play it right now :( damn zombies :cry:

You must be near the mobile science lab - if there are zombies right?

:lol: This thread is still going? DId the TC leave? we wer owning him for 19 pages non stop. GarchomPro

I sure hope the TC left, it was like arguing with a brick wall. This thread should have been over with a LONG time ago, I don't think Ive ever seen someone get owned that hard and keep posting.

Halo 3 is the complete package, the problem is if you sepertae the MP and SP you will find games on the PC that are better in each area.

AS far as SP goes I was extremly disapointed in Halo 3, as a matter of fact it sucked. For me the game had no intesity, wasn't different/innovative in any way, was short, the story/cast wasn't amazing and I won't even talk about the last level. As far as SP goes I had way more fun playing and replaying STALKER than I did playing Halo 3.

MP, now this is where Halo 3 seperated itself from the other games. I don't think there's one game out of the box(we won't talk about mods here) that has such a complete online mode even on the PC. The balance is great, the gameplay is perfect for the controllers, the rankings system works perfectly and there's alot of different modesthat are all equally good including a very good COOP mode. While Halo 3 is the best MP game on the consoles(I haven't played Warhawk though) I still think games like BF2/2142, TF2 and Quake Wars offer a little more in the gameplay departement. I don't see myslef playing Halo 3 in a few years while I'm still playing BF2 and CSS pretty often.

Halo 3 is the complete package, the problem is if you sepertae the MP and SP you will find games on the PC that are better in each area.

AS far as SP goes I was extremly disapointed in Halo 3, as a matter of fact it sucked. For me the game had no intesity, wasn't different/innovative in any way, was short, the story/cast wasn't amazing and I won't even talk about the last level. As far as SP goes I had way more fun playing and replaying STALKER than I did playing Halo 3.

MP, now this is where Halo 3 seperated itself from the other games. I don't think there's one game out of the box(we won't talk about mods here) that has such a complete online mode even on the PC. The balance is great, the gameplay is perfect for the controllers, the rankings system works perfectly and there's alot of different modesthat are all equally good including a very good COOP mode. While Halo 3 is the best MP game on the consoles(I haven't played Warhawk though) I still think games like BF2/2142, TF2 and Quake Wars offer a little more in the gameplay departement. I don't see myslef playing Halo 3 in a few years while I'm still playing BF2 and CSS pretty often.

tag_001

/\ Very very well put. totally agree with you.

I too was really dissapointed by the SP - it did not meet the immense hype that fanboys had stated - nor did it even meet things that bungie said it would (randomly spawning enimies, huge levels that offered tactical freedom). It had its ups and downs - but half of the game was - dammit I just want to get this over with already.

As for MP it is defitnaly the strong point - it feels asthough bungie have put even more work and thought into it. It is by far the best MP on a console to date - though I too are still yet to play Warhawk - and I will keep comming back to it, because of its fun variety of game modes, and good pacing and balance.

However there are defitnaly games out there on PC that are superior, and offer a bit more in the gameplay department, than halo 3. The Battlefield series, CS, TF2, Quake Wars, UT, ArmA, Tribes ect. While Halo 3 does offer so many game modes - one could assume it was better. The problem is all of its gamemodes arent as compelling or offer anywhere near as much depth as the gameplay in the modes of these PC FPS.

LOL, since when was emo music popular

and what kind of music IS emo

and Halo 3 Campaign is just like Halo 2's, and so is the multiplayer, the only difference is graphics basically

Shake_N_Bake4

On topic,I agree with everything you said.Halo 3 being the best FPS is an opinion,but I agree.Halo has done a lot more for the FPS genre than majority of other shooters in recent memory for both consoles and PC's.

[QUOTE="Shake_N_Bake4"]

LOL, since when was emo music popular

and what kind of music IS emo

and Halo 3 Campaign is just like Halo 2's, and so is the multiplayer, the only difference is graphics basically

killab2oo5

On topic,I agree with everything you said.Halo 3 being the best FPS is an opinion,but I agree.Halo has done a lot more for the FPS genre than majority of other shooters in recent memory for both consoles and PC's.

Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...

firstly, IMO, yes. but i know that in the majority of people's eyes, no, not at all. they can't accept a controller.

i enjoy it more than any pc shooter, but i'm not representing anyone else.

the mp is crazy, easily the best fps mp ever, it's so variated and fun, i can't explain that in words, you really have to try it.skyform

Have you played many MP FPS?

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Im suprised this hasnt gotten a lock, since its just a bad flaimbait with no evidence or anything other then opinion backing it updracula_16

That is absurd. I have several facts that I could lean on ifI wanted to, such as no PC game scoring over 9.7 which was Halo's score.

I think you are just reluctant to accept my unbiased points as more than just flamebait.

LOL PC games will allways be better than consoles games. The only reason PC didnt get 9.7 here on gamespot is because there are soo many good games on PC the competition is miles better than on the consoles. Also Halo 9.7 score is too high and everyone knows it.

Goldneye got 9.8 which means its a better game right because 1 person gave it that score. There soo many games better than halo on pc that you are just setting your self up for ownage...

Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...horrowhip

Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay ?? FEAR introduced smart AI ??

Riiiiight...

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Shake_N_Bake4"]

LOL, since when was emo music popular

and what kind of music IS emo

and Halo 3 Campaign is just like Halo 2's, and so is the multiplayer, the only difference is graphics basically

horrowhip

On topic,I agree with everything you said.Halo 3 being the best FPS is an opinion,but I agree.Halo has done a lot more for the FPS genre than majority of other shooters in recent memory for both consoles and PC's.

Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...

It has done alot ot advance the genre, Halo has alot of things that no other fps used so far, things like very unique and fantastic controllable vehicles, gravity lifts, dual welding, new game modus, new amazing features for online gaming (matchmaking and stuff like that), Halo is a very unique fps game and it has added alot to the fps genre, if people can't see that then they are strange, or simply don't want to admit it. i never ever played a more variated and unique fps game then Halo.

While Halo 3 does offer so many game modes - one could assume it was better. skrat_01

It doesn't make it better. It just offers variety. It offers more variety than a Battlefield game for example.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Shake_N_Bake4"]

LOL, since when was emo music popular

and what kind of music IS emo

and Halo 3 Campaign is just like Halo 2's, and so is the multiplayer, the only difference is graphics basically

skyform

On topic,I agree with everything you said.Halo 3 being the best FPS is an opinion,but I agree.Halo has done a lot more for the FPS genre than majority of other shooters in recent memory for both consoles and PC's.

Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...

It has done alot ot advance the genre, Halo has alot of things that no other fps used so far, things like very unique and fantastic controllable vehicles ummm.... many games have good vehicle controls..., gravity lifts Quake , dual welding Tribes, new game modus Explain what you mean by that..., new amazing features for online gaming PC shooters didn't need matchmaking due to Dedicated Servers...(matchmaking and stuff like that), Halo is a very unique fps game and it has added alot to the fps genre, if people can't see that then they are strange, or simply don't want to admit it. i never ever played a more variated and unique fps game then Halo.

All those features are great but they were copied... Putting them all in a single game was a really good idea though.

yes, I agree that an over simplified FPS is the greatest FPS ever created! It's so noob friendly that even the dumbest person can have a great time.

Honestly there hasn't been a single FPS to surpass deus ex

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...Phanrang

Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay ?? FEAR introduced smart AI ??

Riiiiight...

Riiight? are you just that ignorant or did you decide to play dumb?

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

And I knew someone was going to say something about "Smart AI" but it's difficult to explain it. By smart AI I mean AI that uses tactics and manuveurs according to your own tactics. I mean like how in FEAR, the AI was constantly challenging your position and constantly keeping you on your toes. That's whatI mean, and FEAR heralded a newera of AI technology.You can't argue that....

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

horrowhip

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

horrowhip

Just to make sure... what would open-ended gameplay mean to you ?

Now before you all go jumping down my throat let me explain. The first Halo was widely accepted to be just as good as Half Life. (Even GS said it in a video review) Halo 2 was easily one of the best mutiplayer games ever when it came out, and Halo 3 surpass both those games in all ways. The reason why the Halo series is hated on so much is quite simple actually, it's the reason why emo music is hated on so much these days: because of popularity.

And the reason why Halo games are so popular is because of the quality. This has led to countless elitists who bash Halo games whenever possible because it's not a 10 year old game on the PC. The reality is that all Halo games have done a lot for console shooters.

And before someone brings up really old games, keep in mind that those games might have beengreat for their time but they are out dated in ever way possible compared to Halo 3.

Discuss :). Let's try and keep this as civil as possible.

dracula_16

here´s what i think