Halo 3 >>>> all PC shooters.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

Forza_2

Just to make sure... what would open-ended gameplay mean to you ?

going into a setting(an island per se) and explore the entire island upon your own free will. No barriers, no obstacles making you go somewhere, just an island with an objective that you can get to however you want to. That's open-ended.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]While Halo 3 does offer so many game modes - one could assume it was better. Forza_2

It doesn't make it better. It just offers variety. It offers more variety than a Battlefield game for example.

As you said more variety doesent necessarily make it better.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dracula_16"][QUOTE="ganon546"]

Halo 3 was good, but you really think it's better than ALL PC Shooters?

kevy619

Yes. Hence the name of this thread.

Ill translate the original topic into sane man terms. Halo 3 is on par with the best pc shooters. Yes Half-Life 2 is still pretty much the best of the genre, but what pc game tops Half-Life 2? But how can we prove anything? Hermits just debunk anything said with the "console fps shooters are rated differently". This was true at one time, but console shooters are no longer treated differently. This is why a game like Resistance will no longer score AAA. Hermits are just annoying with their arrogant "pc shooters are vastly superior" arguments. Which is why threads like these are made.

What proof have you got that the standards are now equal? Bioshock is the only 1 to score the same so far, and thats because the 360 version was developed at the same time and first, which meant the PC Version was basically a clone of it anyway.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

horrowhip

Just to make sure... what would open-ended gameplay mean to you ?

going into a setting(an island per se) and explore the entire island upon your own free will. No barriers, no obstacles making you go somewhere, just an island with an objective that you can get to however you want to. That's open-ended.

thats not open-ended, thats free-roaming

going into a setting(an island per se) and explore the entire island upon your own free will. No barriers, no obstacles making you go somewhere, just an island with an objective that you can get to however you want to. That's open-ended.horrowhip

That's a pretty weird definition of open-ended gameplay. All they did was change the settings to a jungle. The concept of freedom has been done before by several games.

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Halo is a great game but what has it done to advance the genre? Honestly? Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay, HL2 introduced emergent storytelling, FEAR introduced smart AI, and Bioshock introduced moral choices to the genre. Thats just since 2004. If I were to go back further I could find even more. Halo is a great game, but it really hasn't done anything for the genre...Phanrang

Far Cry introduced open-ended gameplay ?? FEAR introduced smart AI ??

Riiiiight...

Riiight? are you just that ignorant or did you decide to play dumb?

Serious Sam if I recall correctly was the first to do open ended for FPS, and Unreal back in 98 was the first to promote AI that acted like humans. Seriously the Skjari(sp?) were effing brutal for those days. They were fast, they dodged, and they came at you aggressivly.

Sorry man, I dont want rain on your parade but:

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

Operation Flashpoint in 2001. It had only 3 levels - they were that big - these are the second biggest in an FPS. The biggest is in its semi Sequal Armed Assault. You could literarraly do as you see fit (and the game had day night and weather cycles).

And I knew someone was going to say something about "Smart AI" but it's difficult to explain it. By smart AI I mean AI that uses tactics and manuveurs according to your own tactics. I mean like how in FEAR, the AI was constantly challenging your position and constantly keeping you on your toes. That's whatI mean, and FEAR heralded a newera of AI technology.You can't argue that....

Half Life by far. It introduced smart a.i into an FPS (they communitcated, supressed, flushed you out with grenades, and even flanked. FEAR marked the next evolution in a.i that Half Life had set.

horrowhip

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]going into a setting(an island per se) and explore the entire island upon your own free will. No barriers, no obstacles making you go somewhere, just an island with an objective that you can get to however you want to. That's open-ended.Forza_2

That's a pretty weird definition of open-ended gameplay. All they did was change the settings to a jungle. The concept of freedom has been done before by several games.

I guess... But never to that scale.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="Forza_2"][QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

stika

Just to make sure... what would open-ended gameplay mean to you ?

going into a setting(an island per se) and explore the entire island upon your own free will. No barriers, no obstacles making you go somewhere, just an island with an objective that you can get to however you want to. That's open-ended.

thats not open-ended, thats free-roaming

Indeed, GTA's are open ended, Far Cry wasnt, however Far Cry did do Free Roaming the best, and judging by the latest Crysis 1UP video hands on , its definatly going to set the bar even higher.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Sorry man, I dont want rain on your parade but:

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

Operation Flashpoint in 2001. It had only 3 levels - they were that big - these are the second biggest in an FPS. The biggest is in its semi Sequal Armed Assault. You could literarraly do as you see fit (and the game had day night and weather cycles).

And I knew someone was going to say something about "Smart AI" but it's difficult to explain it. By smart AI I mean AI that uses tactics and manuveurs according to your own tactics. I mean like how in FEAR, the AI was constantly challenging your position and constantly keeping you on your toes. That's whatI mean, and FEAR heralded a newera of AI technology.You can't argue that....

Half Life by far. It introduced smart a.i into an FPS (they communitcated, supressed, flushed you out with grenades, and even flanked. FEAR marked the next evolution in a.i that Half Life had set.

skrat_01

Yes, but what I meant was they marked the next evolution in those standards. Thats advancing the genre. Halo has only really copied, and while it did it well, it never really advanced anything beyond previous levels.

Halo is by far the best console shooter ever, bar none.

That being said, it doesn't really add anything new...but rather refines it. It's got very balanced gameplay and thats why it is liked. Saying all PC shooters is better then Halo however, is just an ignorant fanboy statement.

It's easy to pick up and learn, but takes skill to master. There are quite a few PC players that play this in ranked matches, and you can tell them apart.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]Sorry man, I dont want rain on your parade but:

Far Cry did essential introduce fully open-ended gameplay. Name a SINGLEFPS that was open-ended before Far Cry.

Operation Flashpoint in 2001. It had only 3 levels - they were that big - these are the second biggest in an FPS. The biggest is in its semi Sequal Armed Assault. You could literarraly do as you see fit (and the game had day night and weather cycles).

And I knew someone was going to say something about "Smart AI" but it's difficult to explain it. By smart AI I mean AI that uses tactics and manuveurs according to your own tactics. I mean like how in FEAR, the AI was constantly challenging your position and constantly keeping you on your toes. That's whatI mean, and FEAR heralded a newera of AI technology.You can't argue that....

Half Life by far. It introduced smart a.i into an FPS (they communitcated, supressed, flushed you out with grenades, and even flanked. FEAR marked the next evolution in a.i that Half Life had set.

skrat_01

Half Life was an evolution of Unreal's AI. Unreal was the first to have human like opponents, Half life set the standard however...

Half Life was an evolution of Unreal's AI. Unreal was the first to have human like opponents, Half life set the standard however...

Innovazero2000

Nope.

Not in Single or Multiplayer. Not for me. Not ever.

waits for hermits are arrogant, elitist etc etc

naval

The lone other time it was used was when I said "one of the things that define an elitist is someone who goes out of their way to be a non-conformist." Tell me, in what ways does that statement point to hermits? I was speaking of Halo bashers, the same could be said for bashers of Starcraft or WOW...

I don't know what it is about me but most pure hermits have the most difficult trouble ever figuring out what I'm saying. I guess they are so used to hearing BS that they naturally go out of their way to equate what I'm saying to BS, well alot of them anyway...

Lol popularity has nothing to do with quality. Halo is popular because it is very accessable. That has nothing to do with it being good.
Lazy_Boy88

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Lol popularity has nothing to do with quality. Halo is popular because it is very accessable. That has nothing to do with it being good.
Spartan070

No, no, no. Please, you're the reason why console shooter fans get a bad name. Just quit now.

Halo 3 is a great game, but by no means is it the best FPS ever. Half-Life is still the most playable and atmospheric game to date, and HL2 is still a worthy follow up. Halo has the MP up on it, but that's it.

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Lol popularity has nothing to do with quality. Halo is popular because it is very accessable. That has nothing to do with it being good.
Vandalvideo

One big laugh in one... two... three...

HA!

Halo 3 is really fun, but I have to disagree with you.

Joke Thread?TheJuiceyBar

I'm not joking. You probably only read the thread title.

when it has 64 players online, it might be half decent...stunt73

More players does not equal more fun automatically.

[QUOTE="stunt73"]when it has 64 players online, it might be half decent...dracula_16

More players does not equal more fun automatically.

Yes, but why not give that option to the players who they will decide on what to play?

don't you realize TC that threads like these are why hermits hate halo? couldn't you just have said "Halo 3 is one of the best shooters" or something like that instead of this crap?ItalStallion777

I couldn't care less what some fanboys on the internet think of a game that I like. I'm not insecure and I say what's on my mind- that's also how I am outside of these forums.

They say that my opinion isn't fact but in the same breath they say "Half Life >>> Halo. fact" It's kind of laughable to be honest.

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]don't you realize TC that threads like these are why hermits hate halo? couldn't you just have said "Halo 3 is one of the best shooters" or something like that instead of this crap?dracula_16

I couldn't care less what some fanboys on the internet think of a game that I like. I'm not insecure and I say what's on my mind- that's also how I am outside of these forums.

They say that my opinion isn't fact but in the same breath they say "Half Life >>> Halo. fact" It's kind of laughable to be honest.

Well actually , thier "fact" as more breathing space than yours, both are subjective, but Half-Life 2 beat out Halo 2 for shooter of the year.

You will be eating your words again if Halo 3 doesnt get Shooter of the Year.

My prediction:

Crysis/CoD4 (I'm not a fan but its getting rewards everyhwere) for SOTY

Multiplayer of the Year will go to Team fortress 2 for some reason ... a gut feeling, or again CoD4... or possible UT3...

Halo is looking as farfetched for awards as ever... media and popularity wont save you from this.

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]don't you realize TC that threads like these are why hermits hate halo? couldn't you just have said "Halo 3 is one of the best shooters" or something like that instead of this crap?dracula_16

I couldn't care less what some fanboys on the internet think of a game that I like. I'm not insecure and I say what's on my mind- that's also how I am outside of these forums.

They say that my opinion isn't fact but in the same breath they say "Half Life >>> Halo. fact" It's kind of laughable to be honest.

If ignorant fanboys weren't laughable, I don't think anybody would be on System Wars.

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If ignorant fanboys weren't laughable, I don't think anybody would be on System Wars.

MetroidPrimePwn

Well I for one don't come here for the sole reason of making fun of people- it's to discuss games.

[QUOTE="ItalStallion777"]don't you realize TC that threads like these are why hermits hate halo? couldn't you just have said "Halo 3 is one of the best shooters" or something like that instead of this crap?dracula_16

I couldn't care less what some fanboys on the internet think of a game that I like. I'm not insecure and I say what's on my mind- that's also how I am outside of these forums.

They say that my opinion isn't fact but in the same breath they say "Half Life >>> Halo. fact" It's kind of laughable to be honest.

i think you could have reworded the title a bit as to not make it sound like you think it's an absolute fact. you know the people here, they'll just look at the title and post and not read what you're trying to say.

I agree. I don't care what anyone says, i will never play an FPS that is as much fun as halo 3, especially mulitplayer. DarkT33

Talk about open minded...:roll:

i dont think it is

The reason why the Halo series is hated on so much is quite simple actually, it's the reason why emo music is hated on so much these days: because of popularity.

dracula_16

so you're saying Halo is emo?

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

The reason why the Halo series is hated on so much is quite simple actually, it's the reason why emo music is hated on so much these days: because of popularity.

Hewkii

so you're saying Halo is emo?

No. It was just an analogy.

No. It was just an analogy.

dracula_16

also, aren't most popular things hated?

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]

No. It was just an analogy.

Hewkii

also, aren't most popular things hated?

Emo isnt exactly popular anyway, its popular with a niche ammount of tennages (General audiance) ... and is usually hated on because its bland and miserable :S ...

dracula_16 thank you for finally saying that it was your opinion and not a fact. I can agree with someone like you now. While I personally find Half-Life to be a game thats literally thousands of times better than Halo, I respect your individual opinion. Now, if only you will detract all your constant spouting of Halo >>> ALL PC Shooters as a opinion, we can get alone agreeably.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

Too bad I don't like both Half Life and Halo :(

skrat_01

I'm too scared to play it right now :( damn zombies :cry:

You must be near the mobile science lab - if there are zombies right?