Halo 3: Improvements you didn't see.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Way too cliche.FrozenLiquid

No, it's fitting. And, if done right, it won't be cliche.

Cliches are fine if they're well told. No one complained about Half Life, did they?

I mean, I'd love to see the Chief try enter the Control Room whilst Cortana is screwing with his mind.

Never heard of a physicist innadvertantly causing the invasion of the Earth of inter-dimensional aliens and seeks salvation by shootin' fools.Vandalvideo

Pretty much what i was going to say only you put it more awesome-ly. :P

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Way too cliche.smokeydabear076

No, it's fitting. And, if done right, it won't be cliche.

Cliches are fine if they're well told. No one complained about Half Life, did they?

I mean, I'd love to see the Chief try enter the Control Room whilst Cortana is screwing with his mind.

Sure.

But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?

No?

Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One?

If Ripley didn't kill the Alien queen using that mechanical exoskeleton, dieing in the process, wouldn't it be anti climactic?

If Frodo didn't get to Mount Doom, thus Good triumphing over Evil, would it have made for a better story?

smokey, like you, I use to think cliches are bad. But once you find out the reasons behind them, and how to counter them, they're not bad after all.

I think everyone is well aware of that... in the trailer there's a FOURTH grenade icon though. Not equipment.Ninja-Vox

The general consensus, at least at THU, is that the fourth grenade iskind of like a flashbang.

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Spartan070"]To me the best thing so far in Halo 3 is that the Arbiter and the Chief figt side by side. I hope you can choose to be the Arbiter for those scenes.:DSpartan070

If he was martyr, I don't think he would cry.

I don't think the Chief will though, coz Cortana's probably going to kick the bucket instead. They were like two sides of the same coin.

I hope Dr Catherine Halsey shows up at the end(preferably with Kelly087 and the remains of the Gamma Team of Spartan IIIs) and saves Cortana. Besides, Smart AIs have a 7 year life span, I know there have been a bunch of intagibles Cortana has had to deal with, especially in the books, but I think she still has like2 or 3 years left.

Anyway, hope she gets salvaged.

But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? FrozenLiquid

Never heard of a physicist innadvertantly causing the invasion of the Earth of inter-dimensional aliens and seeks salvation by shootin' fools.Vandalvideo

Oh no, but you haven't read the many fantasy stories have you?

I've heard plenty of stories involving nobodies taking on and surviving trained soldiers, scary, power wielding monsters without any real hardened training at all.

In fact, an alien invasion through a portal..... isn't that Doom?

Hell, even GS found that out too! OMG we're on the same wavelength!

"The plot of the game is typical (in fact, it's little more than an elaborate version of Doom)... Suffice it to say that Half-Life isn't a great game because of its story; it's a great game because of how it presents that story."

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Way too cliche.FrozenLiquid

No, it's fitting. And, if done right, it won't be cliche.

Cliches are fine if they're well told. No one complained about Half Life, did they?

I mean, I'd love to see the Chief try enter the Control Room whilst Cortana is screwing with his mind.

Sure.

But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?

No?

Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One?

If Ripley didn't kill the Alien queen using that mechanical exoskeleton, dieing in the process, wouldn't it be anti climactic?

If Frodo didn't get to Mount Doom, thus Good triumphing over Evil, would it have made for a better story?

smokey, like you, I use to think cliches are bad. But once you find out the reasons behind them, and how to counter them, they're not bad after all.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Never heard of a physicist innadvertantly causing the invasion of the Earth of inter-dimensional aliens and seeks salvation by shootin' fools.FrozenLiquid

Oh no, but you haven't read the many fantasy stories have you?

I've heard plenty of stories involving nobodies taking on and surviving trained soldiers, scary, power wielding monsters without any real hardened training at all.

In fact, an alien invasion through a portal..... isn't that Doom?

Hell, even GS found that out too! OMG we're on the same wavelength!

"The plot of the game is typical (in fact, it's little more than an elaborate version of Doom)... Suffice it to say that Half-Life isn't a great game because of its story; it's a great game because of how it presents that story."

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? Vandalvideo

No, I'm saying cliches are everywhere. Some are just better than others. And yes, Star Wars is a good story. Just badly written.

Oh, and Halo referenced absolutely nothing? It didn't cleverly reference things such as....oh... the Great Schism of East or put forward their own views on A.I and the future?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? FrozenLiquid

No, I'm saying cliches are everywhere. Some are just better than others. And yes, Star Wars is a good story. Just badly written.

Oh, and Halo referenced absolutely nothing? It didn't cleverly reference things such as....oh... the Great Schism of East or put forward their own views on A.I and the future?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Never heard of a physicist innadvertantly causing the invasion of the Earth of inter-dimensional aliens and seeks salvation by shootin' fools.Vandalvideo

Oh no, but you haven't read the many fantasy stories have you?

I've heard plenty of stories involving nobodies taking on and surviving trained soldiers, scary, power wielding monsters without any real hardened training at all.

In fact, an alien invasion through a portal..... isn't that Doom?

Hell, even GS found that out too! OMG we're on the same wavelength!

"The plot of the game is typical (in fact, it's little more than an elaborate version of Doom)... Suffice it to say that Half-Life isn't a great game because of its story; it's a great game because of how it presents that story."

I did not say Half Life was crap

Generic, yes. Good story? Hell yes.

Dude, I'm a Half Life fanatic. It's story is not far from generic. It's well told, and will always be well told. It's a damn good story. It's just not particularly original.

To me the best thing so far in Halo 3 is that the Arbiter and the Chief figt side by side. I hope you can choose to be the Arbiter for those scenes.:DSpartan070

My prediction on this, it will be configured around Achievements, something the 1st Xbox didn't have so they decided for you which character you played in the different chapters.

What I foresee in Halo 3 is that certain chapters will give you a pop up menu to choose who you want to play through as, MC or Arbiter - much like you had those direction choices on GeoW. Or maybe you'll choose a direction and that will determine your character - so it's a different expereince with each. This would lead to seperate achievements for each character you complete the chapters with - since the best implementation of Achievements is to get you to replay through parts of a game in different ways each time.

Anyway, just my theory, but you can see them implementing achievments that way :)

Are you kidding me? Even Bungie acknowledged that they borrowed from over 20 different science fiction IPs. Halo is nothing more than a hodge podge of different IPs. Its a platapus.Vandalvideo

....what are you talking about.

I know Halo has acknowledged Sci Fi stories. That wasn't my argument though. It's good however, they didn't go and choose all the concepts beaten to death.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? Vandalvideo

No, I'm saying cliches are everywhere. Some are just better than others. And yes, Star Wars is a good story. Just badly written.

Oh, and Halo referenced absolutely nothing? It didn't cleverly reference things such as....oh... the Great Schism of East or put forward their own views on A.I and the future?

its the best platapus ever

I did not say Half Life was crapGeneric, yes. Good story? Hell yesDude, I'm a Half Life fanatic. It's story is not far from generic. It's well told, and will always be well told. It's a damn good story. It's just not particularly original.FrozenLiquid

I like cliches, but sometimes it is nice to be surprised. BTW it would have been awesome if Frodo died before he got the ring to Mount Doom.smokeydabear076

If I was to ask if you were aged between 17-25, give or take, would I be correct?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Are you kidding me? Even Bungie acknowledged that they borrowed from over 20 different science fiction IPs. Halo is nothing more than a hodge podge of different IPs. Its a platapus.FrozenLiquid

....what are you talking about.

I know Halo has acknowledged Sci Fi stories. That wasn't my argument though. It's good however, they didn't go and choose all the concepts beaten to death.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? Vandalvideo

Everyone knows you dont like the story. I really dont understand why you feel the need to bring it up in every. single. thread.

Are you kidding me? Even Bungie acknowledged that they borrowed from over 20 different science fiction IPs. Halo is nothing more than a hodge podge of different IPs. Its a platapus.Vandalvideo

No, they really, really didn't. They did an article on their site about their influences. The listed everything from books to movies and asked every employee from artist to level designer what their inspiration is. You've somehow taken that and drawn up "this is the list of things from which they robbed their storyline."

Heck, one of them said he liked the monacle on the soldiers from starship troopers. Marines in halo 1 have a vaguely similar green monacle in their helmet. Are you going to say they stole their story from Starship Troopers now?

What would be nice, is rather than just say "halo is a generic story" like you do in EVERY THREAD, why not explain why? What exactly have they taken from elswhere on such a huge scale that you think makes the story so bad?

Is half life not just doom, only with aliens instead of demons and another dimension instead of hell? "Zomg teh story must suck!!1" No. It kicks ass. You need to stop looking for tiny links between different things and drawing up silly conclusions.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I like cliches, but sometimes it is nice to be surprised. BTW it would have been awesome if Frodo died before he got the ring to Mount Doom.FrozenLiquid

If I was to ask if you were aged between 17-25, give or take, would I be correct?

get over it halo3 is not that impressiveOldParr

get over yourself your not that awsome

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Are you kidding me? Even Bungie acknowledged that they borrowed from over 20 different science fiction IPs. Halo is nothing more than a hodge podge of different IPs. Its a platapus.Ninja-Vox

No, they really, really didn't. They did an article on their site about their influences. The listed everything from books to movies and asked every employee from artist to level designer what their inspiration is. You've somehow taken that and drawn up "this is the list of things from which they robbed their storyline."

Heck, one of them said he liked the monacle on the soldiers from starship troopers. Marines in halo 1 have a vaguely similar green monacle in their helmet. Are you going to say they stole their story from Starship Troopers now?

What would be nice, is rather than just say "halo is a generic story" like you do in EVERY THREAD, why not explain why? What exactly have they taken from elswhere on such a huge scale that you think makes the story so bad?

Is half life not just doom, only with aliens instead of demons and another dimension instead of hell? "Zomg teh story must suck!!1" No. It kicks ass. You need to stop looking for tiny links between different things and drawing up silly conclusions.

In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="OldParr"]get over it halo3 is not that impressiveshadow_hosi

get over yourself your not that awsome

OMG did i hurt ur feelings??? im sorry

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]I did not say Half Life was crapGeneric, yes. Good story? Hell yesDude, I'm a Half Life fanatic. It's story is not far from generic. It's well told, and will always be well told. It's a damn good story. It's just not particularly original.Vandalvideo

OK, so how many other interstellar wars between Earth and an alien civilization, are driven by religious conflicts, and have alien leaders that are about to destroy all life in the galaxy (including their own people) out of some misguided belief that they are bringing about a spiritual journey, all based on a misinterpretation of ancient technology that became a prophecy to them?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? Vandalvideo

No, I'm saying cliches are everywhere. Some are just better than others. And yes, Star Wars is a good story. Just badly written.

Oh, and Halo referenced absolutely nothing? It didn't cleverly reference things such as....oh... the Great Schism of East or put forward their own views on A.I and the future?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]I did not say Half Life was crapGeneric, yes. Good story? Hell yesDude, I'm a Half Life fanatic. It's story is not far from generic. It's well told, and will always be well told. It's a damn good story. It's just not particularly original.AdobeArtist

OK, so how many other interstellar wars between Earth and an alien civilization, are driven by religious conflicts, and have alien leaders that are about to destroy all life in the galaxy (including their own people) out of some misguided belief that they are bringing about a spiritual journey, all based on a misinterpretation of ancient technology that became a prophecy to them?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]I did not say Half Life was crapGeneric, yes. Good story? Hell yesDude, I'm a Half Life fanatic. It's story is not far from generic. It's well told, and will always be well told. It's a damn good story. It's just not particularly original.AdobeArtist

OK, so how many other interstellar wars between Earth and an alien civilization, are driven by religious conflicts, and have alien leaders that are about to destroy all life in the galaxy (including their own people) out of some misguided belief that they are bringing about a spiritual journey, all based on a misinterpretation of ancient technology that became a prophecy to them?

Edit: The way you worded it made it seem like SG-1 but it isn't really like that.

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]get over it halo3 is not that impressiveOldParr

get over yourself your not that awsome

OMG did i hurt ur feelings??? im sorry

fee-lings? this word isnt in my vocabulary, i was just stating that you are not as awsome as you think you are, and halo3 is rather impressive

however, nothing is impressive compared to Crysis

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? Vandalvideo

But platypi are awesome D:

Behold your new master.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]But did it bother you when Luke Skywalker had to face off against Darth Vader in Return of the Jedi? Would it have been a literal master piece if Lucas took us by surprise and put Han Solo in Luke's shoes?No?Would it have been underwhelming if Neo was not the One? MegaPigeon

But platapi are awesome D:

Behold your new master.

*bows* all hail platapi, all hail platapi

In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. Vandalvideo

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.

As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.

Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.

And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.

And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long.

It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.

But platapi are awesome D:Behold your new master.MegaPigeon

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[QUOTE="OldParr"]get over it halo3 is not that impressiveshadow_hosi

get over yourself your not that awsome

OMG did i hurt ur feelings??? im sorry

fee-lings? this word isnt in my vocabulary, i was just stating that you are not as awsome as you think you are, and halo3 is rather impressive

however, nothing is impressive compared to Crysis

when did ever say that i was awesome.halo3 didnt make a big jump like other big frnchise did gta4,mgs4,kz2 and the list goes on.im talking about graphics since i havent play the game. alsoi cant talk about story or gameplay.

sorry dude but is not impressive

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long. It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. Ninja-Vox

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.

As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.

Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.

And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.

And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long.

It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.

I haven't read the over 20 different intellectual properties that Bungie was "inspired by" so I can't point to the distinct areas of each novel, game, or movie that they borrowed from. However, that DOES NOT excuse the fact that Bungie did state that they borrowed heavily from NUMEROUS science fiction IPs. The one I can speak the most about is Larry Niven's Ringworld, because I've read it extensively. I'm sure that if I had read, watched, or played the other IPs they listed I could give you a more cohesive analysis of what they took from each story. I can tell you ONE THING for sure though. Halo is an amalgamation of dozens of different science fiction novels. It is a generic platypus. Vandalvideo

Right. So you have no response in other words. You have no idea what you're talking about. Bungie were inspired by lots of things. They did NOT steal their storyline from other sources and just make their own little cake of stolen ingredients. You're talking complete nonsense and prove it by the fact that you cant give any examples of these "numerous IPs" that you harp on about in every single thread.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. smokeydabear076

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.

As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.

Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.

And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.

And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long.

It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.

You don't......pretty much everything explained in that post happnes durin the games, or is otherwise described in a brief back story in the game manual.

You shouldn't have to read the books to enjoy the story in the games.smokeydabear076

Nothing that i mentioned is from the books other than the fact that the spartan project was originally designed to tackle rebellion. Next.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. MegaPigeon

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.

As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.

Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.

And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.

And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long.

It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.

You don't......pretty much everything explained in that post happnes durin the games, or otherwise describes in a brief back story in the game manual.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]You shouldn't have to read the books to enjoy the story in the games.Ninja-Vox

Nothing that i mentioned is from the books other than the fact that the spartan project was originally designed to tackle rebellion. Next.

(AS STATED BY BUNGIE)Vandalvideo

Again, nonsense. They went through all the different things they were inspired by. I gave one example; starship troopers and the way the marines look in it. That inspired the art team in designing Halo 1's marines. They changed a lot in Halo 2. Like i said, you've simply taken an article on the bungie team's inspiration and corrupted it into a list of things they've stolen from.

You have no idea what you're on about at all.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I haven't read the over 20 different intellectual properties that Bungie was "inspired by" so I can't point to the distinct areas of each novel, game, or movie that they borrowed from. However, that DOES NOT excuse the fact that Bungie did state that they borrowed heavily from NUMEROUS science fiction IPs. The one I can speak the most about is Larry Niven's Ringworld, because I've read it extensively. I'm sure that if I had read, watched, or played the other IPs they listed I could give you a more cohesive analysis of what they took from each story. I can tell you ONE THING for sure though. Halo is an amalgamation of dozens of different science fiction novels. It is a generic platypus. Ninja-Vox

Right. So you have no response in other words. You have no idea what you're talking about. Bungie were inspired by lots of things. They did NOT steal their storyline from other sources and just make their own little cake of stolen ingredients. You're talking complete nonsense and prove it by the fact that you cant give any examples of these "numerous IPs" that you harp on about in every single thread.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In that article they clearly stated something along the lines of, "Halo's story was heavily influenced by numerous science fiction novels, movies, and games. We borrowed from IPs such as Bladerunner, Ringworld, and many others." Halo's story isn't very unique. smokeydabear076

Sources of inspiration. You're basically corrupting what is an article about the inspiration which created Halo into a bungie confession that they have plagiarised their storyline.

As far as i'm concerned, the idea of a ring-world was inspired by an old sci-fi novel. That's the basis which first inspired the game. I'd love for you to tell me what they've apparently stolen from to come up with a united series of colonies coming under attack from an onslaught of alien races all of which are completely different, but are united under their own fanatical religion which demands the extermination of the human race who are putting their life's work of collecting ancient relics from an extinct race known as the forerunners at risk.

Enter the spartan project, first designed to tackle outer-colony rebellion, eventually becoming what many believe to be the pivot on which the war with the Covenant stands. Throw in a corrupt group of prophets leading the covenant forces to a non-existant religious myth they call "the great journey" and one race within the Covenant discovering that their religion is a farce, leading to civil war within the hierarchy as the Prophets attempt to exterminate the Elites, who were once their protectors, now branded Heretics as they uncover the truth about the false religious propaganda.

And let's not forget the arbiter. A disgraced Elite branded with the mark of shame and sentenced to death, instead made the Arbiter; a being with the task of finding and destroying herecy, one of the most respected beings in the covenant eco system, himself becomes a heretic as he too learns the truth and begins to aid the work of the humans in preventing the use of the Halo rings to instill "the great journey" or what he learns to be nothing more than a super weapon which triggers a galactic holocaust.

And i haven't even mentions the forerunners and the flood... it'd take too long.

It's anything but generic. You dont know what you're talking about.

You don't......pretty much everything explained in that post happnes durin the games, or otherwise describes in a brief back story in the game manual.

The most the manuals may describe are the origins of the SPARTAN II project. Everything else is pretty much in the game.

You vowed never to speak to me again. I am disappointed.:|smokeydabear076

Nice way of avoiding response to the post there. :|

And why did i say that? Did you come out with something illogical and fanboyish?

I'm simply reiterrating what Bungie themselves have said. They acknowledged that they borrowed extensively from dozens of different IPs. On face value, Halo's story in the games is extremely derivative of over 20 diferent science fiction IPs. AS STATED BY BUNGIE. They acknowledged tthemselves that Halo's story is taken from numerous intellectual properties. Don't you even bring Halo's books into this, beacuse those books might not even be cannon for all you know! We are strictly talking about the game itself, and as Bungie has acknowledged, they have heavily borrowed from dozens of IPs. This is a fact.Vandalvideo

This is not a fact. You're not reading posts. Like i said, they made an article on all the books, films and comics and the like which inspired their halo universe. You're corrupting that into something bad, as if they're admitting they steal other people's storylines.

Again, i ask you to tell me exactly what doesn't make the Halo universe unique? Lords knows i dont know anything else like it.

Stop blindly hating and realise you've got it wrong.

EDIT: what books are you on about? :| I haven't mentioned any of the halo books at all.