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#1 TheKingAPop
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Good day, wise members of System Wars. Here's System Wars' approved sales analyst speaking. Halo 3's first expansion, Halo 3: ODST, has officially managed to sell 2.2 million units in its first week of availability - worldwide.[1] Over 2 million copies in one week is a great accomplishment, but compared to the previous Halo titles, Halo 2 and Halo 3, these numbers are not imposing. It's time to compare the sales of Halo 3 and Halo 3's expansion. While Halo 3: ODST did great by getting sold 2.2 million times to gamers in its first days, Halo 3 did a lot better. More than 31 million Xbox 360s had been sold before Halo 3: ODST launched.[2] It succeded in selling 2.2 million copies after one week on the market, as stated. When Halo 3 launched, however, less than 12 million Xbox 360s had been sold[3], and the mega popular game sold an astonishing 2.5 million units in 24 hours[4] - in the U.S. only, bringing in $170 million in U.S. stores on Tuesday only (September 25th)[5]. The comparison Halo 3: ODST: First-week sales (worldwide): 2.2 million on a 31-million user base. Halo 3: First-day sales (U.S. only): 2.5 million on a ~11.5-million user base. Now, great men of System Wars, do not misunderstand me - I love Halo and am not trying to bash it. I am - in company with my arguments - trying to say that Halo 3: ODST is a sales fiasco. Thoughts, clever members of System Wars? __________________ Sources: [1] - http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=5392&mp=1 [2] - http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216343.html?tag=recent_news;title;5 [3] - http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/more-than-116-million-xbox-360-consoles-sold [4] - http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117982551.html?categoryid=20&cs=1 [5] - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20070927/ai_n21025960/
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A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

B) It was marketed poorly (people were confused about what it is)

C) It has already sold almost a million more than the first uncharted, or it will by the end of next week

D) It has pretty terrible value compared to Uncharted 2 or Modern Warfare 2

E) Who cares?

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#3 skinny_man_69
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Nice first post?

P.S. 2.2 million in its first week are amazing sales, regardless of the situation

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#4 D-RS
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2.2 million for an expansion in one week is amazing , it sold in one day more than Killzone 2 and Metal gear solid 4 idd in their life time . Halo Reach is a really different story ......
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#5 FunkyHeadHunter
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I havent bought a game in almost a year. Im broke. We are now a one income family, so my gaming takes a back seat. Im now a stay at home parent. I use to buy 1-3 games a month if I wanted.

PLUS...im tired of supporting the 360 and MS. I just cant justify giving them more money or hype. Many many families are like us now..this is why games arent selling as much im sure.

Economy, one person supporting the family, console reliability issues...ect...

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#6 Hexagon_777
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You provided evidence and based your conclusion upon this evidence, unlike many other System Warriors. You, Sir, have not given us fail, but win. Congratulations.

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#7 Nidget
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Yet it still outsold most of the PS3 exclusives :lol: Come back to me when Reach gets even lower numbers (which it wont :wink: )
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#8 darthogre
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A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

Awinagainov
Wait a minute, if it's not a full new entry then why is every Lem saying it's value is worth $60? Lems are defending the $60 pricetag as if they have stock in MS itself.
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#9 deactivated-5f956b96dc672
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[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

darthogre
Wait a minute, if it's not a full new entry then why is every Lem saying it's value is worth $60? Lems are defending the $60 pricetag as if they have stock in MS itself.

it was not worth 60 dollars. i only have it because my little bro had a birthday
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#10 Nidget
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[QUOTE="Awinagainov"]

A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

darthogre
Wait a minute, if it's not a full new entry then why is every Lem saying it's value is worth $60? Lems are defending the $60 pricetag as if they have stock in MS itself.

And people who never even planned to buy the game are bashing it for its price :lol:
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#11 SolidTy
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There is some mixed feelings about this game. On one hand it's $60 for a bit of an expansion, on the other it's one of the greatest expanissions we've ever seen.

For a game M$ hardly marketed, and Bungie didn't put all their love into, it sold over two million copies, so M$ is probably pretty happy. Sure, they could have sold more at $40, but probably not many more.

Anyways, it definitely pleased A LOT of very HUNGRY, almost starved 360 gamers this year, so that's a big plus. :)

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I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months? Don't give me whys and wherefores. Just apply your Halo 3 standard for comparison and tell me.

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#13 Nidget
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There is some mixed feelings about this game. On one hand it's $60 for a bit of an expansion, on the other it's one of the greatest expanissions we've ever seen.

For a game M$ hardly marketed, and Bungie didn't put all their love into, it sold over two million copies, so M$ is probably pretty happy. Sure, they could have sold more at $40, but probably not many more.

Anyways, it definitely pleased A LOT of very HUNGRY, almost starved 360 gamers this year, so that's a big plus. :)

SolidTy

Riiiight, because theres a breed of 360 gamers out there who ONLY touch exclusives, right? gotta love system wars mentality.

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#14 Nidget
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I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in one a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months. Forget the whys and wherefores. Just apply your standards for comparison and tell me.

VoodooHak
Yeah, and when you consider only around 15 people worked on ODST for a while, yet Killzone 2 had a massive dev team and budget behind it, you just have to laugh a little :lol:
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2 mil in one day... I don't think MS is crying over it. 1 year development, and better than Halo 3 (IMO).

A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

B) It was marketed poorly (people were confused about what it is)

C) It has already sold almost a million more than the first uncharted, or it will by the end of next week

D) It has pretty terrible value compared to Uncharted 2 or Modern Warfare 2

E) Who cares?

Awinagainov
I found it to be good value.
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#16 SpruceCaboose
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So now we are going to belly-ache about 2.2 million units sold? 1 million units is great for a game, and this is week one sales?

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The game is aimed towards people who already own Halo 3. And the 360 userbase was roughl 15-20 million at the time of Halo 3
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#18 RawDeal_basic
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Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

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Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

RawDeal_basic
For Halo, compared the records that 2 and 3 set it seems quite weak. However given its Halo and 10 million plus Halo 3 gamer out there, you can expect this to sell above million copies.
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Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

RawDeal_basic

Logic is hard to come by down these ways.

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#21 Puckhog04
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2.2 million in a few days is very good...

There's nothing "weak" about it.

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#22 W1NGMAN-
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The big question I think everyone wants to know, how many consoles did ODST move?

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This really does show what chumps us XBOX 360 owners can be at times. We line up in mass for a $60.00 cheap cash in while any game that shows a hint of innovation barley sells 300k. I hope Brutal Legends is recieved with the same level of adoration.......I already realise it won't be.

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#24 VoodooHak
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Basically, many games' sales, when compared to Halo 3's sales, is going to look weak. A good chunk, downright abysmal. So basically, you've set up most of this gen for failure. Good job!

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#25 aaronmullan
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on the other it's one of the greatest expanissions we've ever seen.


SolidTy

Let's not get overboard here...

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This really does show what chumps us XBOX 360 owners can be at times. We line up in mass for a $60.00 cheap cash in while any game that shows a hint of innovation barley sells 300k. I hope Brutal Legends is recieved with the same level of adoration.......I already realise it won't be.

sexy_robot_man
Except that ODST is to me one of the best games I have played this generation. But thank you for trying to condescend to my preferences.
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That's because ODST is a stand alone expansion pack and was hyped far less than Halo 3.

2.2 million in the first few days is still pretty amazing. Most games don't even manage to get 1 million in the first month.

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A) Its not a full new entry in Halo

B) It was marketed poorly (people were confused about what it is)

C) It has already sold almost a million more than the first uncharted, or it will by the end of next week

D) It has pretty terrible value compared to Uncharted 2 or Modern Warfare 2

E) Who cares?

Awinagainov

In regarding C. You have to account for Halo already being a big franchise and the number of owners of the 360 vs PS3 owners. Everything else I agree with you.

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Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

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It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.
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#30 monson21502
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it also released in a bad time of the month. 22nd im shocked it sold 2.2 being alot of people are broke about that time

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#31 skrat_01
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its an overpriced stand alone expansion. The sales are excellent / stellar for what it is.
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#32 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

TheKingAPop
It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.

Huh? 2.2 million in a weak is embarrassingly weak? Not for any game anywhere. 2.2 million is incredibly good.
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#33 TheKingAPop
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[QUOTE="TheKingAPop"][QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

Only on system wars will you see posters trying to convince us that 2.2 million sales in a week is a bad thing.

SpruceCaboose
It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.

Huh? 2.2 million in a weak is embarrassingly weak? Not for any game anywhere. 2.2 million is incredibly good.

Maybe you didn't read me? Halo 3 sold more in its first day than this expansion managed to do in one week.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="TheKingAPop"] It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.TheKingAPop
Huh? 2.2 million in a weak is embarrassingly weak? Not for any game anywhere. 2.2 million is incredibly good.

Maybe you didn't read me? Halo 3 sold more in its first day than this expansion managed to do in one week.

Did you really expect a "standalone expansion" to sell more than a full fledged sequel? Thats a bit naive if you ask me.

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Maybe you didn't read me? Halo 3 sold more in its first day than this expansion managed to do in one week.TheKingAPop
Your point being? The Dark Knight almost netted a $1billion in theater receipts and dominated it's opening weekend. That does not mean that Spider-man had an embarrassingly weak opening. But if it makes you feel good to put forth a very biased comparison as your only way to dog ODST, by all means don't let me get in your way.

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="TheKingAPop"] It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.TheKingAPop
Huh? 2.2 million in a weak is embarrassingly weak? Not for any game anywhere. 2.2 million is incredibly good.

Maybe you didn't read me? Halo 3 sold more in its first day than this expansion managed to do in one week.

So what, MGS4 only sold 1 million copies in the US, does that mean its a failure?
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I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months? Don't give me whys and wherefores. Just apply your Halo 3 standard for comparison and tell me.

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Killzone is a relatively new series, while Halo is the most successful first-person shooter series with its iconic character Master Chief. It's unfair.
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[QUOTE="TheKingAPop"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months? Don't give me whys and wherefores. Just apply your Halo 3 standard for comparison and tell me.

Killzone is a relatively new series, while Halo is the most successful first-person shooter series with its iconic character Master Chief. It's unfair.

Again, my MGS4 example:? And this is coming from a VGC estimate.
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="TheKingAPop"] It's embarrassingly weak sales for a Halo game.TheKingAPop
Huh? 2.2 million in a weak is embarrassingly weak? Not for any game anywhere. 2.2 million is incredibly good.

Maybe you didn't read me? Halo 3 sold more in its first day than this expansion managed to do in one week.

you do realise that halo 3 had a multi-million dollar ad campaign that started nearly one year before launch and that ODST only has one commercial which didn't appear on TV until the week before the game hit the shelves, right? the game may not have sold as well as halo 2 or 3, but it outsold almost ever single game this gen in a single week. it took kz2 2 months to even hit 2 million worldwide. gears one also took the same amount of time. the problem isn't that the game is bad, it's that it didn't have the ad support that halo 3 had and the fact that it is overpriced (if you don't care about the MP portion of the game.) the game will continue to sell and you see an explosion in sales once the price drops below $40.

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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months? Don't give me whys and wherefores. Just apply your Halo 3 standard for comparison and tell me.

TheKingAPop

Killzone is a relatively new series, while Halo is the most successful first-person shooter series with its iconic character Master Chief. It's unfair.

relatively new? the series started in 2004 with the ps2. it came out 3 years after halo: CE. a relatively new series would be gears of war or mass effect.

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#41 sexy_robot_man
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[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

This really does show what chumps us XBOX 360 owners can be at times. We line up in mass for a $60.00 cheap cash in while any game that shows a hint of innovation barley sells 300k. I hope Brutal Legends is recieved with the same level of adoration.......I already realise it won't be.

SpruceCaboose

Except that ODST is to me one of the best games I have played this generation. But thank you for trying to condescend to my preferences.

Wow you really need to play more games.

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#42 GulliversTravel
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[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

This really does show what chumps us XBOX 360 owners can be at times. We line up in mass for a $60.00 cheap cash in while any game that shows a hint of innovation barley sells 300k. I hope Brutal Legends is recieved with the same level of adoration.......I already realise it won't be.

Except that ODST is to me one of the best games I have played this generation. But thank you for trying to condescend to my preferences.

Wow you really need to play more games.

I agree, the Campaign was top notch, as a package maybe not, but Bungie did well what they set out to do.
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#43 ThePRAssassin
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Really? This is what I have to wake up to?

Lulz flopped it only sold 2.2 in one week!

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#44 TheKingAPop
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[QUOTE="TheKingAPop"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

I think you have wierd sense of scale. What you say is certainly one way to spin it. Let's extend your comparison to other games. Killzone 2, for instance. How do you describe KZ2's performance when ODST sells more in a couple days than what KZ2 sold in span of months? Don't give me whys and wherefores. Just apply your Halo 3 standard for comparison and tell me.

cowgriller

Killzone is a relatively new series, while Halo is the most successful first-person shooter series with its iconic character Master Chief. It's unfair.

relatively new? the series started in 2004 with the ps2. it came out 3 years after halo: CE. a relatively new series would be gears of war or mass effect.

Again, you can't compare Killzone to Halo. Killzone is nothing huge or spectacular. Halo is an iconic first-person shooters and is played by over a million each day. There is a clear popularity difference.
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#45 kunal1092000
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I still hate that they first announced it as an standalone that wouldn't be more than 30 dollars and would be downloadable via Xbox Marketplace also.

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

This really does show what chumps us XBOX 360 owners can be at times. We line up in mass for a $60.00 cheap cash in while any game that shows a hint of innovation barley sells 300k. I hope Brutal Legends is recieved with the same level of adoration.......I already realise it won't be.

sexy_robot_man

Except that ODST is to me one of the best games I have played this generation. But thank you for trying to condescend to my preferences.

Wow you really need to play more games.

Wow you really need to learn what an opinion is!

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#47 johnnyblazed88
Member since 2008 • 4240 Posts

its a ripoff forpeople that already bought the map packs, im sure thats the reason

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#48 DeadMagazines
Member since 2009 • 1593 Posts

Anyways, it definitely pleased A LOT of very HUNGRY, almost starved 360 gamers this year, so that's a big plus. :)

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Ohh so THAT'S why MGS4 sold as many as it did. Because ps3 owners didn't have anything for 2 years prior. I got it now thanks.
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#49 sexy_robot_man
Member since 2009 • 1002 Posts

[QUOTE="sexy_robot_man"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Except that ODST is to me one of the best games I have played this generation. But thank you for trying to condescend to my preferences.Kickinurass

Wow you really need to play more games.

Wow you really need to learn what an opinion is!

You mean like when I stated my opnion? The opinion argument is a waste of time in here since upon hitting submit it's assumed to be your opinion.

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#50 gamecubepad
Member since 2003 • 7214 Posts

lol. It might not even sell 5 million copies by the end of the year. Bungie = pwnd.