Halo 3 vs the PC

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Halo 3 is not different from many shooters, in fact, it's not different from the previous Halo's. Halo 1 was the most innovative Halo game there was. Now that Bungie isn't owned by Microsoft, maybe it will start developing games again instead of expansion packs.

tader-salad

Yes I know what sequels are and so far could barely call Halo 2 and 3 sequels. I would Call Halo 3 a sequel of Halo 1, but not Halo 2. Sequels are supposed to add a lot of stuff. What did Halo 2 add? Duel Wielding and Hijacking Vehicles. Oh boy... Multiplayer is arguable, but barely, seeing as Halo 1 has superior multiplayer any way, and Halo 2 just let players go online. If Xbox Live was invented when Hao 1 was released it would have been on there.

Halo 3 didn't do really anything except equipment to upgrade from Halo 2. Forge and Saved Films? Give me a break. Far Cry instincs had a better map editor than Forge, and Saved films? people talk about it like it is so revolutionary... Sorry, it's not.

You want sequels? Look at the Total War Series, every aspect of the gameplay they improve on with each installation. Look at STALKER clear sky. Now THAT is a sequel in every way, they are overhauling every single gameplay aspect.

imo Half Life 2 did feel a little old. The fact that Gordon Freemon never talks annoys me. It doesn't immerse me at all, it just makes me feel like a mute.

I'll give Halo that, it immerses you into the story like no other game, but again, Halo 1 did it best.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Halo 3 is not different from many shooters, in fact, it's not different from the previous Halo's. Halo 1 was the most innovative Halo game there was. Now that Bungie isn't owned by Microsoft, maybe it will start developing games again instead of expansion packs.

Armalite1016

This is the problem. While many first person shooters advanced beyond what Halo:CE did, Halo 2 and 3 were basically the same thing, the only huge difference was in Halo 2 when they added dual wield. And thus, the Halo gameplay grew stale and archaic because it had almost no advance in gameplay.

The other difference was no more health bar which has become pretty common now hasn't it?

Then you could customize the gameplay to your liking with custom games.

If the Halo gameplay grew stale, please tell me why its the most played console game after 7 years of the "same" gameplay?

Online wasn't really an innovation though. Imo, Halo's multiplayer was better than Halo 2's. Better maps and atmosphere, and better weapons. The only difference was that they added online, which came with xbox live.

The recharging health concept started in Halo, with the shields.Even if they aren't tehcnically health, it is still the same concept.

You could customize gametypes in Halo also.

Simple: there is really nothing else pushing forward console games. People play it the most because even after 7 years with no change, it is still the best the consoles have to offer. I'm telling you, it's called independent developers. As long as PC has those, which it always will, PC will always be ahead in how advanced the games are.

Team Fortress had passive life regen before Halo.

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Halo 3 is not different from many shooters, in fact, it's not different from the previous Halo's. Halo 1 was the most innovative Halo game there was. Now that Bungie isn't owned by Microsoft, maybe it will start developing games again instead of expansion packs.

II-FBIsniper-II

Yes I know what sequels are and so far could barely call Halo 2 and 3 sequels. I would Call Halo 3 a sequel of Halo 1, but not Halo 2. Sequels are supposed to add a lot of stuff. What did Halo 2 add? Duel Wielding and Hijacking Vehicles. Oh boy... Multiplayer is arguable, but barely, seeing as Halo 1 has superior multiplayer any way, and Halo 2 just let players go online. If Xbox Live was invented when Hao 1 was released it would have been on there.

Halo 3 didn't do really anything except equipment to upgrade from Halo 2. Forge and Saved Films? Give me a break. Far Cry instincs had a better map editor than Forge, and Saved films? people talk about it like it is so revolutionary... Sorry, it's not.

You want sequels? Look at the Total War Series, every aspect of the gameplay they improve on with each installation. Look at STALKER clear sky. Now THAT is a sequel in every way, they are overhauling every single gameplay aspect.

You sure don't know what you're talking about do you.

Halo 1 almost had its multiplayer cut from the game.

Halo 3 didn't do really anything except equipment to upgrade from Halo 2. Forge and Saved Films? Give me a break. Far Cry instincs had a better map editor than Forge, and Saved films? people talk about it like it is so revolutionary... Sorry, it's not.

Forge and saved films weren't huge things? Are you kidding me? People have remade Halo 2 and Halo 1 maps using forge.

Saved films are very important to the community. If its wasn't for them, there wouldn't be things like a person getting killed by a traffic cone.

Now people can share their films from console to console without having an external capture device. If they get a huge multikill, they can show their friends, put it on their file share and put on Bungie.net for anyone to see. They can take pictures that you don't normally see during gameplay.

Here is a picture I took that wasn't even visable when playing.

I was saying that those aren't revolutionary though like everyone is saying. People have remade Halo 1 and 2 maps? How about entirely new maps? How about mods?

Counter Strike and Team Fortress were mods, and games like those basically broughtonline gaming to the competitive nature that it is at now. Quake and other PC games also apply to this, although that wasn't a mod.

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Cevat Yerli, the head of Crytek, said himself, he played a Halo game and it seemed as if he was playing a PC game from 5 years ago.

JPOBS

and i dislike this new trend where pc advocates believe the pc has such uber standards. High horse metality is just lame.

wow, okay, and dont you think the same kind of people exist on the console gaming side? Do I really need to count the number of 'pc gaming is dead' threads for you? Among other threads proclaiming console supremacy and dominance over the PC (which is laughable, but whatever). If anything is a new trend here, its more and more console gamers spouting ingorance out their ***es about the PC and even about their very own console.

I was saying that those aren't revolutionary though like everyone is saying. People have remade Halo 1 and 2 maps? How about entirely new maps? How about mods?

Counter Strike and Team Fortress were mods, and games like those basically broughtonline gaming to the competitive nature that it is at now. Quake and other PC games also apply to this, although that wasn't a mod.

Armalite1016

In Halo 2 there was a zombies gametype that was made by the community that ended up being an official gametype in Halo 3. Now with that gametype and forge there have been even more settings such as a shark gametype. There have been race tracks made and even asthetic maps where people have made Giant robots that you fight inside of.

I've made a map that has you closed inside a base of one of the maps. /Here it is.

If you've played Halo 3 you would know that is nothing like what the map looks like normally.

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

I was saying that those aren't revolutionary though like everyone is saying. People have remade Halo 1 and 2 maps? How about entirely new maps? How about mods?

Counter Strike and Team Fortress were mods, and games like those basically broughtonline gaming to the competitive nature that it is at now. Quake and other PC games also apply to this, although that wasn't a mod.

II-FBIsniper-II

In Halo 2 there was a zombies gametype that was made by the community that ended up being an official gametype in Halo 3. Now with that gametype and forge there have been even more settings such as a shark gametype. There have been race tracks made and even asthetic maps where people have made Giant robots that you fight inside of.

I've made a map that has you closed inside a base of one of the maps. http://www.flickr.com/photos/macedoniamafia/sets/72157603412020831/show]/Here it is.

If you've played Halo 3 you would know that is nothing like what the map looks like normally.

They made entirely new maps? That includes landscape and everything right?

The only thing I don`t get about the halo series is why is it so darn popular? I mean come on the games are good, but I mean realy.

Can some one just pleas explain it to me .

Another hermit trolling off Halo3's mega popularity begging for attention. I thought this fad was dead. :|

Crysis ain't all that kid so don't make it out like it is.

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

I was saying that those aren't revolutionary though like everyone is saying. People have remade Halo 1 and 2 maps? How about entirely new maps? How about mods?

Counter Strike and Team Fortress were mods, and games like those basically broughtonline gaming to the competitive nature that it is at now. Quake and other PC games also apply to this, although that wasn't a mod.

II-FBIsniper-II

In Halo 2 there was a zombies gametype that was made by the community that ended up being an official gametype in Halo 3. Now with that gametype and forge there have been even more settings such as a shark gametype. There have been race tracks made and even asthetic maps where people have made Giant robots that you fight inside of.

I've made a map that has you closed inside a base of one of the maps. /Here it is.

If you've played Halo 3 you would know that is nothing like what the map looks like normally.

Map editor != Mod tools -- Forge is the same thing provided to Quake 2 players over 10 years ago. Hey, it's great that these concept hvae come to consoles. However, to veteran PC gamers, this is old news. That is the point being made by Armalite (correct me if I am wrong here Armalite).

They made entirely new maps? That includes landscape and everything right?

DragonfireXZ95

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

They made entirely new maps? That includes landscape and everything right?

II-FBIsniper-II

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

DragonfireXZ95

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

II-FBIsniper-II

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

II-FBIsniper-II

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

You can't argue though that PC games were at this place where Halo was many years ago, right?

Also, this topic has gotten incredibly off topic, I was originally trying to say why devs arent selling games on the PC, because they need to make PC games, not port console games. again, you wouldnt try to sell a pc specific game on a console and expect success

The only thing I don`t get about the halo series is why is it so darn popular? I mean come on the games are good, but I mean realy.

Can some one just pleas explain it to me .

tader-salad

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

jg4xchamp

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

Armalite1016

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

You can't argue though that PC games were at this place where Halo was many years ago, right?

Hell, we've been making landscapes since the first Counter-strike.

[QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

Armalite1016

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

You can't argue though that PC games were at this place where Halo was many years ago, right?

They are beyond what halo has, no doubt.

You basicly have all the dev tools and can create whatever you want on the PC.

Also, this topic has gotten incredibly off topic, I was originally trying to say why devs arent selling games on the PC, because they need to make PC games, not port console games. again, you wouldnt try to sell a pc specific game on a console and expect success

Armalite1016

Also as much as i do agree that Crysis offers a great single player design(although the MP sucked) it isnt the next big PC shooter IMO.

I think its gameplay is amazing, but i dont think it will have the same lasting love that games like Half Life, Half Life 2, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, etc have had.

Its a great sandbox shooter. Its definantly worthy of 9.5, but i think it wont stand the test of time like some other older PC shooters allready have....but thats just my opinion.jg4xchamp

if they had improved on the last levels in crysis, then it definitely had been so much better. while i agree crysis is not in the league of hl2,hl,deus ex,ss2 etc i still think its better than other shooters after hl2 (for sp part) except maybe stalker.

also, it would definitely stand the test time although not the same extent as hl2 and company. just look at far cry, there are still lots of people who prefer it

[QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Also, this topic has gotten incredibly off topic, I was originally trying to say why devs arent selling games on the PC, because they need to make PC games, not port console games. again, you wouldnt try to sell a pc specific game on a console and expect success

jg4xchamp

I think Halo 3 is a solid shooter but nothing more. If I gave it a score, I would give it about a 7.8

It's a good game, but not great.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="II-FBIsniper-II"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

That's indoors. I mean a landscape, like a field with a river or a mountainside or a valley or something.

II-FBIsniper-II

But you can change the landscape as in the floor is flat in the level shown above but it was edited so it would have hills and be wavy.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Also as much as i do agree that Crysis offers a great single player design(although the MP sucked) it isnt the next big PC shooter IMO.

I think its gameplay is amazing, but i dont think it will have the same lasting love that games like Half Life, Half Life 2, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, etc have had.

Its a great sandbox shooter. Its definantly worthy of 9.5, but i think it wont stand the test of time like some other older PC shooters allready have....but thats just my opinion.naval

if they had improved on the last levels in crysis, then it definitely had been so much better. while i agree crysis is not in the league of hl2,hl,deus ex,ss2 etc i still think its better than other shooters after hl2 (for sp part) except maybe stalker.

also, it would definitely stand the test time although not the same extent as hl2 and company. just look at far cry, there are still lots of people who prefer it

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Also as much as i do agree that Crysis offers a great single player design(although the MP sucked) it isnt the next big PC shooter IMO.

I think its gameplay is amazing, but i dont think it will have the same lasting love that games like Half Life, Half Life 2, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, etc have had.

Its a great sandbox shooter. Its definantly worthy of 9.5, but i think it wont stand the test of time like some other older PC shooters allready have....but thats just my opinion.naval

if they had improved on the last levels in crysis, then it definitely had been so much better. while i agree crysis is not in the league of hl2,hl,deus ex,ss2 etc i still think its better than other shooters after hl2 (for sp part) except maybe stalker.

also, it would definitely stand the test time although not the same extent as hl2 and company. just look at far cry, there are still lots of people who prefer it

Give Crysis time. Look at how hyped it was, I would bet that about 90% of the people who upgrade their rigs do it to play Crysis, just to see what all this hype and graphical promise is about. Several years from now when most people will upgrade by default, they will buy Crysis to finally play what every one was talking about in the PC boards in the fall of 2007. That is the time when it will either become a game to remember, or just another really good game. I think S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is going to be a clas sic

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"]

Also, this topic has gotten incredibly off topic, I was originally trying to say why devs arent selling games on the PC, because they need to make PC games, not port console games. again, you wouldnt try to sell a pc specific game on a console and expect success

Armalite1016

I think Halo 3 is a solid shooter but nothing more. If I gave it a score, I would give it about a 7.8

It's a good game, but not great.

Halo 3 has solid gameplay, I'll give it that, but what else? It really does nothing to seperate itself from the rest of the pack. Now, on the consoles, Halo 3 is the cream of the crop. But on PC, the standards are just higher. Cevat Yerli, the head of Crytek, said himself, he played a Halo game and it seemed as if he was playing a PC game from 5 years ago.

And I still stand by my point that Halo 3, if it were on the PC would score no higher than an 8, because it doesn't really do anything new at all that other games haven't done before and better. No, Forge doesn't count. Why would I choose a pseudo-map editor over a real one?

Armalite1016

Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.

Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.

You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.

PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.

4 of the top ten rated pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock. At gamerankings.com

I know that but even now i personally dont think Far Cry 2 was this amazing PC shooter. I do think the AI is just awesome, but its not in the league mentioned.

I think Crysis will end up in that tier 2 league. Along with games like Far Cry and Tribes(atleast for me that game was awesome, hence why i like Halo), and even Mac shooters like Marathon. Great for there time, but not amazing to this day.

I think there will be a much better PC shooter this gen, people just need to give it time.jg4xchamp

i think crysis with few of its flaws removed i.e crysis 2 would be a much better shooter

Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.

Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.

You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.

PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.

4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock

Cranler

funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo

Halo 3 was nothing special TBH.

Its singleplayers felt like Halo CE back in 01 - compared to the latest offering of FPS a bit unevolved - and it was simply average

The multiplayer in the game is perfect for consoles though, and was easily the strongest point of the game.

Besides PC FPS standards are much higher than console FPS standards anyhoo.

Well i have a good gaming pc, but just in IMO i think Halo 3>>>>>Crysis Just for Gameplay......Though Crysis is better in every other way expect Music

Though im a Lemming/Hermit

Halo is simple and fun, it's nothing like Crysis. But it has more on line options and it's far more accessible than Crysis. I prefer Crysis, but this really isn't a comparison.

I think Halos gameplay is nothing special.

Its A to B - enemies in-between - sometimes A to B to A.

There isnt much variety at all, and it remains incredibly simple.

Its pretty much the same as what Halo CEs gameplay was like in 2001, and has aged pretty poorly.

And the singleplayer campaign itself was one of the lesser redeemable qualities of the game - especially compared to multiplayer. The story was almost non existent, duologue laughable, the characters had no redeemable qualities - all one dimensional (not to mention the character of the Arbiter was ruined - bungie turned him into a mindless bot), and the level design varied from quite good, to downright abysmal.
Probably the most noteworthy fault of the game is its singleplayer structure. Each level was fundamentally the same. You Chief at A - walk to B - down a linear path - kill same enemies.

Its a real mixed bag game. I really felt sometimes it just tried to hard. The re-introduction of the flood - the game tried to be 'scary' - failure, tried to evoke a emotional response from the player - after a few characters deaths -and the 'plight' of humanity - laughable, and sometimes it tried to be epic - there were times it was - ala the first Scarab fight (later ones weer a stretch though), but other it simply wasn't - hunting down the final prophet.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.

Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.

You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.

PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.

4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock

naval

funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo

The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...

GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.

God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.

I think Halos gameplay is nothing special.

Its A to B - enemies in-between - sometimes A to B to A.

There isnt much variety at all, and it remains incredibly simple.

skrat_01

Fear is one of the highest rated pc shooters. So it must be considered above average yet it doesnt even have half the variety of Halo.

I think Halos gameplay is nothing special.

Its A to B - enemies in-between - sometimes A to B to A.

There isnt much variety at all, and it remains incredibly simple.

Its pretty much the same as what Halo CEs gameplay was like in 2001, and has aged pretty poorly.

And the singleplayer campaign itself was one of the lesser redeemable qualities of the game - especially compared to multiplayer. The story was almost non existent, duologue laughable, the characters had no redeemable qualities - all one dimensional (not to mention the character of the Arbiter was ruined - bungie turned him into a mindless bot), and the level design varied from quite good, to downright abysmal.
Probably the most noteworthy fault of the game is its singleplayer structure. Each level was fundamentally the same. You Chief at A - walk to B - down a linear path - kill same enemies.

Its a real mixed bag game. I really felt sometimes it just tried to hard. The re-introduction of the flood - the game tried to be 'scary' - failure, tried to evoke a emotional response from the player - after a few characters deaths -and the 'plight' of humanity - laughable, and sometimes it tried to be epic - there were times it was - ala the first Scarab fight (later ones weer a stretch though), but other it simply wasn't - hunting down the final prophet.

skrat_01

Btw crysis was also go from point A to point B and kill a bunch of koreans till the last levels which just seemed to try to hard and fail.

The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...

GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.

God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.

Cranler

well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

I think Halos gameplay is nothing special.

Its A to B - enemies in-between - sometimes A to B to A.

There isnt much variety at all, and it remains incredibly simple.

Cranler

Fear is one of the highest rated pc shooters. So it must be considered above average yet it doesnt even have half the variety of Halo.

Did you actualy play halo 3 because you made quite a few factual errors.

Btw crysis was also go from point A to point B and kill a bunch of koreans till the last levels which just seemed to try to hard and fail.

htekemerald

Big difference is that Crysis design is dramatically different. It gives an expansive non linear area for the player to tackle the situation any way they want. The game seems fundementally simple (as is every single FPS) - objective here - few secondary objectives - its just up to the player to fill in the inbetween - thats what makes the game so great - one of the best fps currently, and best non linear fps. Even Half Life can be said to be A to B kill guys - big difference is, is that valve varies situations, locations, puzzles, scripted sequances ect.

As for Crysis's last levels - yes the ice world bits outside the ship wernt anything special, though I did enjoy the final stage. Its a blessing that those levels only take up a quater of the game, and the rest of the stages have massive replayability.

Personally I think Halo 3 is the better game. But I only played through Crysis on low graphics, which means I'm not getting the whole thing really. But then again a game shouldn't need its graphics to make it great. Although I think the biggest problem with Crysis was the whole end portion of the game (meaning the last 3rd or so).. it needed more trees to kill.

I think the thing Halo 3 has over Crysis mostly is multiplayer.. easily.

Personally I think Halo 3 is the better game. But I only played through Crysis on low graphics, which means I'm not getting the whole thing really. But then again a game shouldn't need its graphics to make it great. Although I think the biggest problem with Crysis was the whole end portion of the game (meaning the last 3rd or so).. it needed more trees to kill.

I think the thing Halo 3 has over Crysis mostly is multiplayer.. easily.

user_nat

Halo > all PC fps games. I played them all, and I found halo 3's evolutionary FPS formula to be the best. You can check my xfire.

This is a serious post.

Halo > all PC fps games. I played them all, and I found halo 3's evolutionary FPS formula to be the best. You can check my xfire.

This is a serious post.

Dynafrom

funny if you're being serious :P

[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]

Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.

Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.

You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.

PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.

4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock

Cranler

funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo

The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...

GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.

God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.

Did you even read my other posts? I said Halo was in my top 5 games. Halo 2 and 3? No. They didn't really do anything to advance the formula at all, and while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it still made the gameplay feel a little old. Bungie has said they use the formula that they get 10 minutes of fun gameplay and replicate it across hours. Well, over 3 games, playing 10 minutes of fun gameplay over and over can start to get old.