Well, I haven't played Crysis. Halo 3's characters and story are captivating.
Halo 3 vs the PC
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*sigh*
If halo is an average shooter at best, why did everyone review it so highly? Why do so many people play it on xbox live every day?
And i say this as somebody who loves crysis and has frequently talked of his awesomeness; but the hermit "halo is ACTUALLY bad..." mentality is just embarrasing.
[QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
naval
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
*sigh*
If halo is an average shooter at best, why did everyone review it so highly? Why do so many people play it on xbox live every day?
And i say this as somebody who loves crysis and has frequently talked of his awesomeness; but the hermit "halo is ACTUALLY bad..." mentality is just embarrasing.
Ninja-Vox
Halo is an average shooter when you are a PC gamer. In the console world Halo is above average.
Wow who cares about the score, if all you can do is look at a score to judge a game, good luck with your life. Look at the actual GAME. PC gaming is much more ahead of Consoles in terms of depth. Need proof? Look at Sins of a Solar Empire. You would NEVER find a RTS of that depth of a console. Console RTS games are where PC RTSs were in the 90s, no joke. Halo Wars being a good example. Just look at the trailer, that looks like what would be a $10 mini type game over on steam.
Halo 3 reminds me so much of Halo 1, a good game in its time, but things have advanced by now. Obviously not on the console side of things. STALKER is a perfect of example of evolutionary gameplay in shooters. You think Bioshock is an FPSRPG? Nope, that would be STALKER. Anyone (cough Gametrailers cough) who thinks STALKER is too complicated should play consoles, because consoles are suited towards a casual audience, (at least companies diesign and market them for casual audiences) and that is simply a fact, not opinion.
Still don't agree? Let's just put it this way: You would never ever ever see an indie developer make some crazy in depth game for consoles. That's why PC games develop faster, because there are way more games made by small developers who do things differently, because they aren't out to make money, unlike Epic who has betrayed their loyal PC fans and made a casual game like UT3, cutting out almost all of the classic maps.
Armalite1016
I agree with you except for one thing. The very reason indie developers make innovative deep games is because they are out to make a lot of money. If they didn't do something different, no one would ever buy their games because it would disappear into the swamp of mediocre games out there. Its only later on after some successful releases than developers can mail it in and still make money because now they have a big publisher who can afford to pay a lot for a advertising blitz + the hordes of fans they have who will buy anything they make (for a while anyways, see UT3/GeoW). That's why developers like Valve and Blizzard are so special, they don't abuse us gamers by making crap they know a lot of us would buy anyways in hopes that its good.
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Cranler
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]*sigh*
If halo is an average shooter at best, why did everyone review it so highly? Why do so many people play it on xbox live every day?
And i say this as somebody who loves crysis and has frequently talked of his awesomeness; but the hermit "halo is ACTUALLY bad..." mentality is just embarrasing.
jangojay
Halo is an average shooter when you are a PC gamer. In the console world Halo is above average.
I'm a PC gamer. My favourite game of all time is Half Life. I dont consider Halo average. The "halo is average" arguement is simply one that hermits adopt to try and play down the success of a shooter on a console. Turok is an average shooter. Quake Wars is an average shooter. Halo 3 is a fantastic shooter.
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.
Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.
You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.
PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.
4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock
Armalite1016
funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo
The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Did you even read my other posts? I said Halo was in my top 5 games. Halo 2 and 3? No. They didn't really do anything to advance the formula at all, and while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it still made the gameplay feel a little old. Bungie has said they use the formula that they get 10 minutes of fun gameplay and replicate it across hours. Well, over 3 games, playing 10 minutes of fun gameplay over and over can start to get old.
What should Bungie have added to the gameplay? Armor that gives you special powers? Thats all that separates Far Cry and Crysis.
HL episodes are no different than HL2. COD gameplay hasnt changed.
UT2k3 changed the formula and it split the UT community.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series - no. When Call of Duty 1 came out i thought "finally a shooter i'm enjoying like i did with Halo.." Just as good, arguably. Better? No. "Miles better"? Hell no.
Bioshock - No. Great story, great atmosphere. Better FPS? Heck no.
Stalker - See above, only not as good.
Crysis - I agree
Older unreal games. - ran out of games here, didn't you?
Rainbow six 3 - Vegas? I enjoyed the multiplayer more. Better than Halo as an overall package? No.
Farcry.. Just no. No. No. No.
Etc etc etc.. Again, ran out of games.
jangojay
My opinions.
So? It's still ridiculously fun. Console fans are well aware that more advanced PC games exist; we just don't care.
I'm playing through Crysis right now, and while no one would deny it's a great game, I still had more fun with Halo. Sometimes keeping it simple really is the key to making something fun.
[QUOTE="jangojay"]Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series - no. When Call of Duty 1 came out i thought "finally a shooter i'm enjoying like i did with Halo.." Just as good, arguably. Better? No. "Miles better"? Hell no.
Bioshock - No. Great story, great atmosphere. Better FPS? Heck no.
Stalker - See above, only not as good.
Crysis - I agree
Older unreal games. - ran out of games here, didn't you?
Rainbow six 3 - Vegas? I enjoyed the multiplayer more. Better than Halo as an overall package? No.
Farcry.. Just no. No. No. No.
Etc etc etc.. Again, ran out of games.
Ninja-Vox
My opinions.
No I say older unreal because the newest one sucks and I said Rainbow Six 3.. not R6 vegas.
Farcry? What's wrong with it. Farcry PC here eh not Xbox.......
then again opinions are opinions.
Ran out of games? Lol I'm guessing the 13 games there isn't enough. Do I really have to dig up quake 3,counter strike day of defeat, team fortress and every other damn thing?
[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="mingo123"]does crysis have save film feature, 4 player full campaign coop, online customization, so many weapons and vehicles in multiplayer?mingo123
yes, no, yes, yes and yes.
so crysis lacks coop hmmmm halo 3 wins in that area :D
I love the coop feature in halo3. Very enjoyable. Like gears of war coop but with more people.
[QUOTE="Armalite1016"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.
Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.
You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.
PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.
4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock
Cranler
funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo
The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Did you even read my other posts? I said Halo was in my top 5 games. Halo 2 and 3? No. They didn't really do anything to advance the formula at all, and while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it still made the gameplay feel a little old. Bungie has said they use the formula that they get 10 minutes of fun gameplay and replicate it across hours. Well, over 3 games, playing 10 minutes of fun gameplay over and over can start to get old.
What should Bungie have added to the gameplay? Armor that gives you special powers? Thats all that separates Far Cry and Crysis.
HL episodes are no different than HL2. COD gameplay hasnt changed.
UT2k3 changed the formula and it split the UT community.
HL episodes don't call them selves HL 3.. plus bungie could make some use of Masterchiefs SUPER STRENGTH which he doesn't use beside FLIPPING CARS. Why couldn't he pick up rocks and throw them? Why can't he grab enemies by the neck and crush thier wind pipes? So many things they could have done to make use of the super strength, even the brute kicked a guy across a room, why couldn't they have added something cool like that? It's just another shooter with the pace of a snail and good online. Cods gameplay hasn't changed but at least they tried to add something different to the mutli with the perks system... you know try to improve it a little.
UT3 tried to use the same forumla from 10 years ago and now there is no community.
No I say older unreal because the newest one sucks and I said Rainbow Six 3.. not R6 vegas.
Farcry? What's wrong with it. Farcry PC here eh not Xbox.......
then again opinions are opinions.
Ran out of games? Lol I'm guessing the 13 games there isn't enough. Do I really have to dig up quake 3,counter strike day of defeat, team fortress and every other damn thing?
jangojay
I'm a PC gamer. Please stop the arrogant "rofl not the xbox version". Thanks.
And if this is a question of standards; remove BioShock. It released on the xbox 360, with no score difference between the 360 and PC. :| Plus, it isn't better than Halo any way. It's a great single player story to delve into, but it's over quickly, lacks replayability and doesn't have nearly the amount of content Halo 3 has.
As for the rest, i'd love to know where you got 13 from. Rainbow Six Vegas is easily the best one yet, so i'll disregard you saying Rainbow Six 3 was somehow better... and that was on the xbox too, any way.
Far Cry was a fun game but it wasn't anywhere near as fun to play through as Halo, and the multiplayer was a bore fest. Honestly, the only games you have there which are of the same general quality as Halo are Battlefield and Half Life.
Half Life 2 is better than Halo. Battlefield has better multiplayer than Halo but obviously no single player. And then there's COD, which has very similar gameplay to Halo anyway, and in terms of multiplayer, is a rip off of Halo and Rainbow Six.
So yeah. EPIC list of super high standards there.
[QUOTE="jangojay"]No I say older unreal because the newest one sucks and I said Rainbow Six 3.. not R6 vegas.
Farcry? What's wrong with it. Farcry PC here eh not Xbox.......
then again opinions are opinions.
Ran out of games? Lol I'm guessing the 13 games there isn't enough. Do I really have to dig up quake 3,counter strike day of defeat, team fortress and every other damn thing?
Ninja-Vox
I'm a PC gamer. Please stop the arrogant "rofl not the xbox version". Thanks.
And if this is a question of standards; remove BioShock. It released on the xbox 360, with no score difference between the 360 and PC. :| Plus, it isn't better than Halo any way. It's a great single player story to delve into, but it's over quickly, lacks replayability and doesn't have nearly the amount of content Halo 3 has.
As for the rest, i'd love to know where you got 13 from. Rainbow Six Vegas is easily the best one yet, so i'll disregard you saying Rainbow Six 3 was somehow better... and that was on the xbox too, any way.
Far Cry was a fun game but it wasn't anywhere near as fun to play through as Halo, and the multiplayer was a bore fest. Honestly, the only games you have there which are of the same general quality as Halo are Battlefield and Half Life.
Half Life 2 is better than Halo. Battlefield has better multiplayer than Halo but obviously no single player. And then there's COD, which has very similar gameplay to Halo anyway, and in terms of multiplayer, is a rip off of Halo and Rainbow Six.
So yeah. EPIC list of super high standards there.
To end this argument in the War of opinions there will never be a winner. Anyway have you played Rainbow six 3? Do it and then play vegas. You will see why hermits think consolisation is a bad thing.
Ugh... I'm sorry I even started the thread. My entire point was that the reason PC games don't sell anymore is becuse no one is releasing as many PC games, and console ports don't con't.
Next time I'll just say stop porting console games and make games tailored for the PC.
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
jangojay
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
NOLF Series, Deus Ex, SS2, Chornicles of Riddick etc
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
jangojay
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series 2 and 3
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry(pc)..
Etc etc etc..
Plz no to the highlights
[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
naval
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
NOLF Series, Deus Ex, SS2, Chornicles of Riddick etc
Riddick is an xbox port.
None of this changes the fact that Halo is better than most pc shooters.
You also have to keep in mind that the shooters werent popular on consoles until the last few years.
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Cranler
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
NOLF Series, Deus Ex, SS2, Chornicles of Riddick etc
Riddick is an xbox port.
None of this changes the fact that Halo is better than most pc shooters.
You also have to keep in mind that the shooters werent popular on consoles until the last few years.
This isn't xbox vs PC this is halo vs other shooters and all those pwn halo.
Riddick is an xbox port.
None of this changes the fact that Halo is better than most pc shooters.
You also have to keep in mind that the shooters werent popular on consoles until the last few years.
Cranler
i know riddick is a xbox port. in fact riddick was the only game which prevented me from regretting buying an xbox. let's ignore it anyways
there are lots of shooters which i haven't mentioned in that lisy.still if there are so many shooters better than the best console shooter (as per popular opinion), so you get the pont that pc has higher quality, right ?
[QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Cranler
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
NOLF Series, Deus Ex, SS2, Chornicles of Riddick etc
Riddick is an xbox port.
None of this changes the fact that Halo is better than most pc shooters.
You also have to keep in mind that the shooters werent popular on consoles until the last few years.
Well I agree with your statement that Halo is better than most PC shooter, but not in the same sense that you do. See, there are dozens if not hundreds of just bad PC games, so obviously Halo is going to be better than the majority. There are still a lot of better shooters on the PC though.
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.
Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.
You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.
PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.
4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock
jangojay
funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo
The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Did you even read my other posts? I said Halo was in my top 5 games. Halo 2 and 3? No. They didn't really do anything to advance the formula at all, and while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it still made the gameplay feel a little old. Bungie has said they use the formula that they get 10 minutes of fun gameplay and replicate it across hours. Well, over 3 games, playing 10 minutes of fun gameplay over and over can start to get old.
What should Bungie have added to the gameplay? Armor that gives you special powers? Thats all that separates Far Cry and Crysis.
HL episodes are no different than HL2. COD gameplay hasnt changed.
UT2k3 changed the formula and it split the UT community.
HL episodes don't call them selves HL 3.. plus bungie could make some use of Masterchiefs SUPER STRENGTH which he doesn't use beside FLIPPING CARS. Why couldn't he pick up rocks and throw them? Why can't he grab enemies by the neck and crush thier wind pipes? So many things they could have done to make use of the super strength, even the brute kicked a guy across a room, why couldn't they have added something cool like that? It's just another shooter with the pace of a snail and good online. Cods gameplay hasn't changed but at least they tried to add something different to the mutli with the perks system... you know try to improve it a little.
UT3 tried to use the same forumla from 10 years ago and now there is no community.
No matter what you want to call them. EP1 and 2 are basically HL3.
If Bungie sold Halo 3 in 2 separate chunks and called them EP1 and 2 then they should no longer need any innovation?
Halo added vehicle jacking, dual wielding, shields, more vehicles. COD added the ability to call in air strikes and Helis. The upgrade system simply makes your enemy die in 1.8 seconds instead of 2.1 seconds. Not even worth noting.
Epic was trying to please the UT fans. SCi Fi games on pc just arent the in thing. A console ui doesnt help either.
[QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Armalite1016"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]Unreal 2 came out 5 years ago. So did Devastation lol. Besides graphics both were way behind Halo in every respect.
Quake 4, Fear, Doom 3, Pariah etc. Sorry, Halo crushes them all.
You pc only guys need to get off your high horses and admit Halo is better than the average pc shooter. I think its just jealousy. If Microsoft hadnt bought Bungie, Halo would be a huge pc franchise on the level of Half Life.
PC does have its gems like Stalker, Far Cry, Deus Ex, SS2. Too bad they are so few and far between and most of those were released unfinished with bugs leading to lowered scores.
4 of the top ten pc shooters of all time are Riddick(xbox port), and 3 multiplatform games : Orange Box, COD 4 and Bioshock
Cranler
funny you say pc has its gems which are few and far inbetween but for consoles you can only name one game i.e halo
The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Did you even read my other posts? I said Halo was in my top 5 games. Halo 2 and 3? No. They didn't really do anything to advance the formula at all, and while that isn't necessarily a bad thing, it still made the gameplay feel a little old. Bungie has said they use the formula that they get 10 minutes of fun gameplay and replicate it across hours. Well, over 3 games, playing 10 minutes of fun gameplay over and over can start to get old.
What should Bungie have added to the gameplay? Armor that gives you special powers? Thats all that separates Far Cry and Crysis.
HL episodes are no different than HL2. COD gameplay hasnt changed.
UT2k3 changed the formula and it split the UT community.
HL episodes don't call them selves HL 3.. plus bungie could make some use of Masterchiefs SUPER STRENGTH which he doesn't use beside FLIPPING CARS. Why couldn't he pick up rocks and throw them? Why can't he grab enemies by the neck and crush thier wind pipes? So many things they could have done to make use of the super strength, even the brute kicked a guy across a room, why couldn't they have added something cool like that? It's just another shooter with the pace of a snail and good online. Cods gameplay hasn't changed but at least they tried to add something different to the mutli with the perks system... you know try to improve it a little.
UT3 tried to use the same forumla from 10 years ago and now there is no community.
No matter what you want to call them. EP1 and 2 are basically HL3.
If Bungie sold Halo 3 in 2 separate chunks and called them EP1 and 2 then they should no longer need any innovation?
Halo added vehicle jacking, dual wielding, shields, more vehicles. COD added the ability to call in air strikes and Helis. The upgrade system simply makes your enemy die in 1.8 seconds instead of 2.1 seconds. Not even worth noting.
Epic was trying to please the UT fans. SCi Fi games on pc just arent the in thing. A console ui doesnt help either.
So what you're saying is that there is no such thing as an expansion? Just sequels? Half Life ep1 &2 aren't marketing as a new game, they are marketing as an expansion, Halo 2 was marketing as a new game, and they treated it like an expansion. Some new vehicles, duel weilding, vehicle hijakcing. O boy.
So what you're saying is that there is no such thing as an expansion? Just sequels? Half Life ep1 &2 aren't marketing as a new game, they are marketing as an expansion, Halo 2 was marketing as a new game, and they treated it like an expansion. Some new vehicles, duel weilding, vehicle hijakcing. O boy.
Armalite1016
That sounds like a sequel
[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="jangojay"][QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="naval"][QUOTE="Cranler"]The tc speaks as if even the average pc shooter is better than Halo and thats just not true. There are only a few pc shooters that could be considered better and even then its arguable considering tastes. That was the point. But since you brought it up...
GTA 3 and beyond are gems. Riddick. Resident Evil. I could name a bunch more but of course hack and slash games are where consoles truly shine. DMC and Ninja Gaiden offer very deep combat that you wont find on a pc only game. Huge replay value on those.
God of War series is the hack and slash lovers Half-Life. Truly epic game with incredible level design.
Armalite1016
well as far as gems are concerned i was talking about only since i we are mostly talking about fps. while average shooters may not be better than halo imo there are tons of shootes on pc better than halo
Tons? Name them.
Battlefield series
Half life series.
Call of duty series
Bioshock
Stalker
Crysis
Older unreal games.
Rainbow six 3
Farcry..
Etc etc etc..
NOLF Series, Deus Ex, SS2, Chornicles of Riddick etc
Riddick is an xbox port.
None of this changes the fact that Halo is better than most pc shooters.
You also have to keep in mind that the shooters werent popular on consoles until the last few years.
Well I agree with your statement that Halo is better than most PC shooter, but not in the same sense that you do. See, there are dozens if not hundreds of just bad PC games, so obviously Halo is going to be better than the majority. There are still a lot of better shooters on the PC though.
Theirs only a few pc only shooters that I like better than Halo.
So what you're saying is that there is no such thing as an expansion? Just sequels? Half Life ep1 &2 aren't marketing as a new game, they are marketing as an expansion, Halo 2 was marketing as a new game, and they treated it like an expansion. Some new vehicles, duel weilding, vehicle hijakcing. O boy.
Armalite1016
Usually an expansion comes out alot sooner. Like COH Opposing Fronts.
After 3 years we have EP1 and 2. Same amount of time between the Halo's. The episodes were in lieu of a full sequel.
So all a dev needs to do is market a game as an episode to not be held to higher standards?
halo 3 has a better story and a better multiplayerI'm not trolling, I am simply saying, looks at Crysis and then look at Halo 3. They both scored the same 9.5, yet are drastically different. Halo 3 is an average shooter at best, Crysis is evolutionary. Crysis has wide open levels, the nano-suit, which actually open up a lot more options than you would think, beautiful graphics, and really solid gameplay.
Halo 3 has solid gameplay, I'll give it that, but what else? It really does nothing to seperate itself from the rest of the pack. Now, on the consoles, Halo 3 is the cream of the crop. But on PC, the standards are just higher. Cevat Yerli, the head of Crytek, said himself, he played a Halo game and it seemed as if he was playing a PC game from 5 years ago.
My point? Publishers release console ports over to the PC and it doesn't sell, and compan ies like EA decide they need to make PC games even MORE casual aka Battlefield Heroes and Red Alert 3. When will devs get that all we PC gamers really want is an in depth PC GAME!!! Look at Sins of a Solar Empire. I bought it at Best Buy and 3 other people bought it while I was there. I have never had that happen before, and it just goes to show: if the devs would put in the time to make PC games like they were meant to be, more people would buy them.
And I still stand by my point that Halo 3, if it were on the PC would score no higher than an 8, because it doesn't really do anything new at all that other games haven't done before and better. No, Forge doesn't count. Why would I choose a pseudo-map editor over a real one?
Armalite1016
the only thing crysis has over halo 3 is visuals and some gameplay elements
crysis multiplayer is a total joke they dont even have a team deathmatch
and wow the head of crytek bashed halo what a surprise i guess he was upset that halo completly blew crysis out of the water in terms of sales
[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]fun>>>innovationCrysis is a decent game but the replayability is next to none. Only 550 players online right now worldwide while over 200,000 playing Halo 3.
aliblabla2007
halo 3= fun
I hope you just stated that as your opinion and not a fact, because in theory Crysis has tons of replayablility, and a lot of people thinks so too
I guess everyone is playing the single player campaign over and over because the multi-player community has been the same since launch while games like COD4 has over 20,000 playing all the time. The community is actually getting smaller and smaller.
One reason is that there's plenty of user-created content to download. Also, because of the near-endless possibilities in Crysis SP, and the map editor being far, far superior to Forge in capabilities, you get a lot more value than Halo 3. Plus, unlike Halo 3, there's actually innovation involved. That is, in the FPS genre overall, not just consoles.
Thats a dumb reason for the multiplayer to be a joke.crysis multiplayer is a total joke they dont even have a team deathmatchrickjamesxx
Battlefield 2, one of the best multiplayer games created, didn't have deathmatch (it only had one game mode).
i really dont mind if someone says crysis is better then halo 3 cause in some ways but saying it completly blows halo 3 out of the water is grade a bull crap
crysis has a better single player
halo 3 has a better multiplayer
and really lets see the big shooters that came out last year
bioshock yeah it probaly had the best single player out of any shooter last year but thats just it its only a single player game
call of duty 4 if anything this is way more generic then halo. repatative gameplay with another generic zomg stop the terrorist storyline with with an unbalanced fragfest for a multiplayer
orange box. probaly one of the owrt games i played last year most people by now probaly played halo life 2 and its expansions
team fortress was complete traash with 6 maps and 1 game type per match
portal while fun isnt worth 60 dollars. as overall package its through the roof especially if your a big half life or team fortress fan
and really lets see the big shooters that came out last year
bioshock yeah it probaly had the best single player out of any shooter last year but thats just it its only a single player game
call of duty 4 if anything this is way more generic then halo. repatative gameplay with another generic zomg stop the terrorist storyline with with an unbalanced fragfest for a multiplayer
orange box. probaly one of the owrt games i played last year most people by now probaly played halo life 2 and its expansions
team fortress was complete traash with 6 maps and 1 game type per match
portal while fun isnt worth 60 dollars. as overall package its through the roof especially if your a big half life or team fortress fan
rickjamesxx
The orange box on both consoles were trash. Only the PC version is good.
[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]Crysis is a decent game but the replayability is next to none. Only 550 players online right now worldwide while over 200,000 playing Halo 3.
aliblabla2007
I hope you just stated that as your opinion and not a fact, because in theory Crysis has tons of replayablility, and a lot of people thinks so too
I guess everyone is playing the single player campaign over and over because the multi-player community has been the same since launch while games like COD4 has over 20,000 playing all the time. The community is actually getting smaller and smaller.
One reason is that there's plenty of user-created content to download. Also, because of the near-endless possibilities in Crysis SP, and the map editor being far, far superior to Forge in capabilities, you get a lot more value than Halo 3. Plus, unlike Halo 3, there's actually innovation involved. That is, in the FPS genre overall, not just consoles.
Yep. There are plenty of modders getting their hands wet with Cryengine 2. I would guess in the next year, when more more people keep buying the game, we will start to see some really cool aditional content that's being worked on right now.
Crysis is a Single player experience first and foremost. While the multiplayer is better than Farcry's, that was never the point of it. I've already played through the Crysis single player story twice, and I'll probably give it another go. That's much more than I can say about Halo's SP, which pales in comparison.
Crysis's wide open world gives it one of the BEST replay values of any FPS next to STALKER last year.
halo 3 has a better story and a better multiplayer
the only thing crysis has over halo 3 is visuals and some gameplay elements
crysis multiplayer is a total joke they dont even have a team deathmatch
and wow the head of crytek bashed halo what a surprise i guess he was upset that halo completly blew crysis out of the water in terms of sales
rickjamesxx
Have you played Crysis? It doesn't sound like it. Crysis's single player is leaps and bounds better than Halo's SP. You can't sit there and tell me Bungie went "out of their way" to make Halo3 a better experience, they used the same game mechanics as Halo 2, with a better storyline than the second one. They added a few minors things, but outside that it was a letdown. They played it safe because MS wanted SALES, so they took the safe route and gave more of the same, which is subpar compared to Crysis.
I have both games, but I'm not a 360 Fanboy in the least(too old for that nonsense), and as someone who's been playing FPS since it's birth, you sir couldn't be further from the truth. MP wise, that's a different story, that is where Halo 3 shines, if you happen to like the Halo formula, which I don't for various reasons. With Crysis, it's much more than the visuals, they alone help with the atmosphere of the game, making it the best technical game by far last year. The nanosuit completely destroys Halo's game mechanics, as the MC's is completely passive in nature, whereas Nomad's is completely usable, and directly effects how you play the game.
The head of Crytek was 100% right about Halo vs. his game. Crysis is a PC title, for a much higher demanding player base that demands more from games and for PC Gamers, by PC Gamers. Sales aren't everything in gaming, but it will sell incredibly well on PC overtime, as more and more people upgrade their machines. It's already Platinum, but that's besides the point. You're also thinking in small terms with a comment like that. The Yerli brothers are VERY successful, and they are an independent studio, not some MS studio with endless amounts of marketing dollars. Crysis is clearly for the hardcore, whereas Halo is for the masses. This is fairly common knowledge.
Crysis imo is vastly superior single player wise then Halo 3.. Halo 3's singleplayer even with co-op was tedious at best, and was really lame.. I also can't stand the difficulty setting, they made it too unrealistic.. Where in legendary you will die with any fire over 2 seconds directly on you. YET creatures such as brutes take a ludicrious amount.. Maybe if they just added more guys and made them fragile it would make more sense.. But thats just me..
Also Halo 3's story was for the most part in my mind relatively stupid.. Its a game I would not play for the story, there was seldom any mystery.. I also have to admit that alot of the levels felt copy and pasted in the corridor areas where they just threw tons of Ewoks at you... Don't get me wrong I like the Multiplayer, its fun and pretty competitve.. I do have gripes with it though..
In my mind PC shooters alone dominate all console shooters.. Then again its not really fair to compare what dedicated mod groups have done to already superb games to make them even better.. I think its odvious that shooters are better on the PC, they originated fromt he pc and really only became successful during N64..
Don't get me wrong console shooters are still a sound substitute but they are definitely the inferior when it comes to a comparison. .
Crysis imo is vastly superior single player wise then Halo 3.. Halo 3's singleplayer even with co-op was tedious at best, and was really lame.. I also can't stand the difficulty setting, they made it too unrealistic.. Where in legendary you will die with any fire over 2 seconds directly on you. YET creatures such as brutes take a ludicrious amount.. Maybe if they just added more guys and made them fragile it would make more sense.. But thats just me..
Also Halo 3's story was for the most part in my mind relatively stupid.. Its a game I would not play for the story, there was seldom any mystery.. I also have to admit that alot of the levels felt copy and pasted in the corridor areas where they just threw tons of Ewoks at you... Don't get me wrong I like the Multiplayer, its fun and pretty competitve.. I do have gripes with it though..
In my mind PC shooters alone dominate all console shooters.. Then again its not really fair to compare what dedicated mod groups have done to already superb games to make them even better.. I think its odvious that shooters are better on the PC, they originated fromt he pc and really only became successful during N64..
Don't get me wrong console shooters are still a sound substitute but they are definitely the inferior when it comes to a comparison. .
sSubZerOo
Mods are great and sometimes the integral factor of what differentiates console FPS's and PC fps's but as a person who stands and defends PC gaming heavily however I dont feel that your making your point.
Sure you have mods, Halo 3 can change it up too bringing levels of customization that has not yet been seen in PC FPS's such as the film and theatre modes. Yeah PC has Garry's Mod and heck even fully featured map editing and I realize thats vastly superior than Forge but the ingenius thing about it is that in comparison to a fully featured map editor, forge is simply easier and more accessible to use (Well Garry's Mod too but whatever). Mouse/Keyboard combo wrecks gamepads but it wasnt until recently that I found out that regardless of control, when I can fully utilise where my characters actions than it doesnt hinder my enjoyment out of the experience regardless if mouse and keyboard is superior. 2 sides in a different boat, I dont treat PC nor consoles superior than the other but instead treat them with fair respect for what each respectable platforms are capable of.
I couldn't stand Halo 3 online. What does it offer me that PC FPSs haven't for years. In fact, I barely clocked any hours on it because it was Halo 2, rehashed. It doesn't matter if you add a few more gadgets, it's still essentially the same game. Maybe I don't enjoy it, because deathmatch/ctf feels... soo... quake 2 era? Maybe because I've evolved into enjoying the more complex and strategically based games, like Counter Strike or COD. I dunno.
As for those commenting on how the PC doesn't have higher standards, and then go off on saying: "Oh, well look at COD4, it's on all systems, got a high score on all platforms and currently the most played PC game". This is a huge mistake. Seeing as how half the reason COD4 is so popular on the PC is because of the PC COD community, and it's tournament backing -- all of which run on mods -- *cough* PAM *cough*. On private servers. Using ventrilo. Against teams who actually get sponsored, and consist of every day folks. This same notion, plus much more exists on all the multiplatform games -- including the RS:V series.
Comparing Crysis's online to Halo 3's online -- why take a game that even the PC community doesn't believe has good multiplayer, and compare it to Halo 3's multiplayer that is so covetted? It's not good, but then again... Crysis was a single player game first, witht he multiplayer being an afterthought.
So yes, even COD4's on the PC has a higher standard then the 360 version. Now, before you try to discredit me. Take a look at this (my gamertag is Al Mehdi - as many of you may know):
With all of that said. This isn't even scratching the surface of the shear number of FPSs on the PC to choose from, including the 60 man FPSs, ala Battlefield.
anything is better than halo 3....that game is trash..... its more like a fad to "fit in" game
[QUOTE="Armalite1016"]halo 3 has a better story and a better multiplayerI'm not trolling, I am simply saying, looks at Crysis and then look at Halo 3. They both scored the same 9.5, yet are drastically different. Halo 3 is an average shooter at best, Crysis is evolutionary. Crysis has wide open levels, the nano-suit, which actually open up a lot more options than you would think, beautiful graphics, and really solid gameplay.
Halo 3 has solid gameplay, I'll give it that, but what else? It really does nothing to seperate itself from the rest of the pack. Now, on the consoles, Halo 3 is the cream of the crop. But on PC, the standards are just higher. Cevat Yerli, the head of Crytek, said himself, he played a Halo game and it seemed as if he was playing a PC game from 5 years ago.
My point? Publishers release console ports over to the PC and it doesn't sell, and compan ies like EA decide they need to make PC games even MORE casual aka Battlefield Heroes and Red Alert 3. When will devs get that all we PC gamers really want is an in depth PC GAME!!! Look at Sins of a Solar Empire. I bought it at Best Buy and 3 other people bought it while I was there. I have never had that happen before, and it just goes to show: if the devs would put in the time to make PC games like they were meant to be, more people would buy them.
And I still stand by my point that Halo 3, if it were on the PC would score no higher than an 8, because it doesn't really do anything new at all that other games haven't done before and better. No, Forge doesn't count. Why would I choose a pseudo-map editor over a real one?
rickjamesxx
the only thing crysis has over halo 3 is visuals and some gameplay elements
crysis multiplayer is a total joke they dont even have a team deathmatch
and wow the head of crytek bashed halo what a surprise i guess he was upset that halo completly blew crysis out of the water in terms of sales
Hah, not anymore, there were team deathmatch maps created already. As soon as the SDK is out, you can expect many different types of multiplayer modes, possibly even sooner.
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