Halo 3 will be hard pressed to get AAA

Well, let's look at it this way shall we.

Metroid Prime 3 did not score AAA yet the improvement in graphics and the excellent lighting, the fluid and almost flawless control scheme and an excellent storyline that twists and turns as you play through the game was excellentyet GS obviously did not feel it deserved AAA status for it.

Medal of Honour and Stranglehold both bombed with 7.0's, Bioshock was also underrated and should have gotten a 9.5 as far as I am concerned. However when we look at Halo 3, there is nothing really new about the game, which is why MOH and Stranglehold flopped, because they were lackluster games with nothing new or they lacked good features. Halo 3 has nothing new that makes it revolutionary and I think that is what GS is looking for when it comes to giving FPS's AAA, especially in one of the genres that has become rediculously over saturated with games. Sure Halo 3 will have the Forge application which I do not think has been done on consoles, but a lot of PC games have had that for years with map editors, and it will not be the only game on consoles to have something like it, as UT3 will no doubt have a map editor for the PS3.

Halo 3 will no doubt have all the things the series has achieved but that is it, lemmings should really just change their hype to AA because at this rate and based on reviews are far more innovative FPS's, Halo 3 will not be AAA and if it is it will only be a 9.

Thoughts?

True true the biggest problem I see with this game is that it doesnt make great strides in any category.

The graphics are improved over Halo 2 by not by much

Those who have played it say the gameplay hasn't changed much

There is a forge and video capture mode, but as TC said PC first person shooters have had thsoe features for ages now

Look forward to a 9.0-9.3 score

No , Halo 3 will get 9.0 , MP3 & bioshock deserved harsher critism.

MP3 - No Multiplayer, the Control scheme was NOT perfect according to them, the graphics were not that much great, very little replayability, unless your a hardcore SP repeater.

Bioshock - No Multiplayer , No death = less immersion/difficulty , it was dumbed down version of System Shock 2 , though great graphics. Other than to see both endings, there was not much replay value.

Halo 3 - Great Graphics/sound , Long Easy/Difficult Single player, Expansive Multiplayer game options, custimizable characters, and ton of new things in each area, Filming system.

Single Player only games WILL get harsher treatment, SP fans are going to disagree... but tough luck ... I hate paying 45 quid fora SP game that I play like once/twice every six months.

it has everything

4-player co-op

online(which metroid and bioshocked lacked)

exellent vissuals

according to sony this is the longest and best halo stroy

the new video feature

alot of new weapons,vehicles,and maps

thats all it needs8)

True true the biggest problem I see with this game is that it doesnt make great strides in any category.

The graphics are improved over Halo 2 by not by much

Those who have played it say the gameplay hasn't changed much

There is a forge and video capture mode, but as TC said PC first person shooters have had thsoe features for ages now

Look forward to a 9.0-9.3 score

DarthaPerkinjan

There are so many things wrong with your post, but I will just point out that 9.0-9.3 (BTW, 9.3 is impossible here) would mean it lives up to the hype. This game will be awesome.

I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!dhjohns

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

SOME additional gametime? some!? I take it you dont like Multiplayer at all then ... because it can go from anywhere to 10x 100x the playtime all thanks to the multiplayer for different people.

Any game with great online deserves instant AAA.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

Umm, I thought the game had a "good" storyline. Bungie has admitted to rushing Halo 2 and the SP story. The story for 3 is suppose to be epic. Maybe Bungie is full of BS, but I think you have no worries here. These game is sure fired AAA and that is really tough now a days around here.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

It sounds like your listening to what other people had to say about the SP rather then forming your own opinion. The only reason it aqcuired mass negative criticizm about its single player was because it didn't live up to the HYPE, not because it sucked in any way because it didn't.

...:lol:.

Halo 3 has more to offer than any of the games you've mentioned INCLUDING Bioshock.
All BioShock had was an amazing SP whereas with Halo you get the Single player, Multiplayer, Forge, 4 player online-co op and Save films/Screenshots. You will even have the ability to fully customize your MP character..Couple that with amazing graphics/physics and the best artificial intelligence since Halo: CE and you have an easy 9.0...Its replay value is second to none even to PC FPS' now what other console game can say that?:o
Pro_wrestler

4 player co-op online would seem cool but would that not make the game rediculously easy to beat? No doubt Halo 3 will be good but none of those things you mentioned are exactly new, and have been done in PC games for ages. Sure console games may never have had them before but personally I do not care, just seems likeadded junk really. Unreal Tournament has far more replay value then Halo does, trust me. I have put in well over 1500 hours of online time in UT2004 alone, and will do so with UT3.

But the thing is that Halo 3 offers nothing new to the gameplay, the graphics are not even as nice or as textured as Bioshock or most other next gen FPS games, the game lacks nice environments like most other games.

Its the most hyped game in todays industry. Of course Gamespot is going to flop it, be overly nitpicky and complain about tiny flaws.foxhound_fox

They did it with Metroid and yet I play it far more then Bioshock. If Metroid Prime 3 had online multiplayer then things might have been different, however it is still a great single player game.

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!Pro_wrestler

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

It sounds like your listening to what other people had to say about the SP rather then forming your own opinion. The only reason it aqcuired mass negative criticizm about its single player was because it didn't live up to the HYPE, not because it sucked in any way because it didn't.

Actually, I did play Halo 2's single player, my friend bought it and we went through the game in co-op mode, it really was not as good as Halo CE in that respect, but the multiplayer was better overall.

You know what amazes me is all the X360 users saying how Bioshock was GOTY confirmed!!!!!

Now that it has released they hype their next game (Halo3) as GOTY and better than Bioshock.

I now tune out everything you guys say. Halo3 will be a good game for X360 but everything I've read about it leaves me to believe it is very possible that it flops and gets 8.5 like Metriod. Is it more likely it will get AAA, sure....I'm just saying more of the same doesn't exactly mean AAA is assured.

4 player co-op online would seem cool but would that not make the game rediculously easy to beat? No doubt Halo 3 will be good but none of those things you mentioned are exactly new, and have been done in PC games for ages. Sure console games may never have had them before but personally I do not care, just seems likeadded junk really. Unreal Tournament has far more replay value then Halo does, trust me. I have put in well over 1500 hours of online time in UT2004 alone, and will do so with UT3.

But the thing is that Halo 3 offers nothing new to the gameplay, the graphics are not even as nice or as textured as Bioshock or most other next gen FPS games, the game lacks nice environments like most other games.

DSgamer64

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]...:lol:.

Halo 3 has more to offer than any of the games you've mentioned INCLUDING Bioshock.
All BioShock had was an amazing SP whereas with Halo you get the Single player, Multiplayer, Forge, 4 player online-co op and Save films/Screenshots. You will even have the ability to fully customize your MP character..Couple that with amazing graphics/physics and the best artificial intelligence since Halo: CE and you have an easy 9.0...Its replay value is second to none even to PC FPS' now what other console game can say that?:o
DSgamer64

4 player co-op online would seem cool but would that not make the game rediculously easy to beat? No doubt Halo 3 will be good but none of those things you mentioned are exactly new, and have been done in PC games for ages. Sure console games may never have had them before but personally I do not care, just seems likeadded junk really. Unreal Tournament has far more replay value then Halo does, trust me. I have put in well over 1500 hours of online time in UT2004 alone, and will do so with UT3.

But the thing is that Halo 3 offers nothing new to the gameplay, the graphics are not even as nice or as textured as Bioshock or most other next gen FPS games, the game lacks nice environments like most other games.

What other game prior to Halo 2 have you known to aquire billions of hours of gameplay on a console? Halo was never about doing anything new, it took what was already a standard and made it better. Halo CE did it with the single player and Halo 2 did it with the multiplayer, now imagine all that in a single package and you get Godlo 3:D

There are also a thing called standards. PC FPS are held to a higher standard because there's a "bar none" in which content is packed with a game. Like, things you expect that game to have. Now that Halo 3 is offering that same standard on consoles, its something to get excited about, especially if your a fan on the series. As far a graphics/visuals go, thats totally subjective. Most games have an art-st-yle that they need to keep a hold of and if Halo 3 were more like BioShock or Gears of War, it would totally destroy the feel that they where going for. You should go looks at some Halo 2 videos and Halo 3 videos for a comparison because H3 is leaps and bounds better visually.

What other game prior to Halo 2 have you known to aquire billions of hours of gameplay?Pro_wrestler

You know what amazes me is all the X360 users saying how Bioshock was GOTY confirmed!!!!!

Now that it has released they hype their next game (Halo3) as GOTY and better than Bioshock.

I now tune out everything you guys say. Halo3 will be a good game for X360 but everything I've read about it leaves me to believe it is very possible that it flops and gets 8.5 like Metriod. Is it more likely it will get AAA, sure....I'm just saying more of the same doesn't exactly mean AAA is assured.

darthogre

Halo 3 could outscore BioShock but that doesn't mean BioShock couldn't win GOTY..BioShock is a breathe of fresh air. Its something totally new and amazing, IMO if Halo 3 doesn't win GOTY BioShock definitely will! Even when you have God Of War 2 releasing this year, BioShock is still a breath of fresh air in comparison.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]What other game prior to Halo 2 have you known to aquire billions of hours of gameplay?foxhound_fox

LMAO! I KNOW! I forgot about CS thats why I went back and edited cause I meant on consoles.

I have a strong feeling this will get 9.5, Its single player is more like Halo 1 it has 4player co-op replay ability out of the wazoo which mags love when reviewing. Will have best multiplayer features in a console game ever along with saved films forged maps and custom games. IE you can actually edit your own powerups and set rules to win matchs meaning unlimited game typeseven after matchmaking gets boring.

This may not get game of the year but it will score AAA

Remember this people 9.5 on gamespot!

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

You obviously haven't played Halo2 if you're going on with that crap about the single player being mediocre. Halo2 is the second game of a trilogy. Just how much of the story did people expect to be resolved? Halo2 is an excellent game that is still getting more game time then ANY recent release in the past 2.5-3 years. Gamers usually log in at least 300,000 matches a day. Not bad for a game almost 3 years old.

Those who have played it say the gameplay hasn't changed much

DarthaPerkinjan

Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

ToScA-

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

You know what amazes me is all the X360 users saying how Bioshock was GOTY confirmed!!!!!

Now that it has released they hype their next game (Halo3) as GOTY and better than Bioshock.

I now tune out everything you guys say. Halo3 will be a good game for X360 but everything I've read about it leaves me to believe it is very possible that it flops and gets 8.5 like Metriod. Is it more likely it will get AAA, sure....I'm just saying more of the same doesn't exactly mean AAA is assured.

Pro_wrestler

Halo 3 could outscore BioShock but that doesn't mean BioShock couldn't win GOTY..BioShock is a breathe of fresh air. Its something totally new and amazing, IMO if Halo 3 doesn't win GOTY BioShock definitely will! Even when you have God Of War 2 releasing this year, BioShock is still a breath of fresh air in comparison.

As much as I love BioShock, it's far from a breath of fresh air. The game is nothing new at all. What makes it an awesome game is its excellent production values and story-telling. That's all really. The game mechanics is as old as System Shock 2, the whole radio messages thing was done before in many games; even Doom 3 had a similar thing with its PDA thingy. I find it hard to understand where people come up with the idea that BioShock is offering something new to the genre. It's not. It's just an excellent game that brings all its elements together in a wonderful manner.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

if by "some" you mean hundreds of thousands of people online every single day for three years.

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]4 player co-op online would seem cool but would that not make the game rediculously easy to beat? No doubt Halo 3 will be good but none of those things you mentioned are exactly new, and have been done in PC games for ages. Sure console games may never have had them before but personally I do not care, just seems likeadded junk really. Unreal Tournament has far more replay value then Halo does, trust me. I have put in well over 1500 hours of online time in UT2004 alone, and will do so with UT3.

But the thing is that Halo 3 offers nothing new to the gameplay, the graphics are not even as nice or as textured as Bioshock or most other next gen FPS games, the game lacks nice environments like most other games.

foxhound_fox

:o foxhound defending Halo? This is the lockness monster of the forums, the bigfoot, the blue moon, the cold day in Hell. I'm going to photo frame this moment forevers.

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

foxhound_fox

i have said it before, ill say it again. halo 1 had PERFECT gameplay.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!DSgamer64

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

even though I'm tired of Halo2's multiplayer, it took years for that to happen, whether you like or dislike Halo2, there is no denying that the multiplayer has had people addicted to it since launch, no my friend, if the multiplayer pushed the game to a AAA rating, it was well deserved, and Halo 3's multiplayer from co-op to versus to forge looks like it will blow Halo2 out of the water.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

lespaul1919

i have said it before, ill say it again. halo 1 had PERFECT gameplay.

Not it didn't.

Nogame has ever had perfect gameplay. Ever.

[QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!Pro_wrestler

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

It sounds like your listening to what other people had to say about the SP rather then forming your own opinion. The only reason it aqcuired mass negative criticizm about its single player was because it didn't live up to the HYPE, not because it sucked in any way because it didn't.

honestly I think people didn't really have problems with the story, I think it was the ending that started the backlash against the story.

I'll say this, I agree with you. I dont think Game Spot will give halo3 aaa. The reason being is I predict this famous quote in the future " In the end, it's still just more halo." And Im a lemming. But I played the COD4 Beta, and while HALO is a better game to me, to alot of old halo fans in the beta, they are jumping ship. Alot are already on a new bandwagon. They all say they will buy halo3, but you know what Im saying. This game alone, COD4 will knock halo3 to either a or aa status with my vote being the latter of the two.akuma303x

lol, are you serious? every person i run into is just "waiting for halo 3 to come out".

halo 3 will get AAA. its more or less set in stone.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="DSgamer64"]

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]I think Halo 3 will be AAA. It will have a solid SP (like Bioshock and MP3) but what will assure it of AAA status is the MP portion. However, GS has been wierd lately and an 8.5 is not out of the question. Either way I don't care, because I will finish the fight!LEGEND_C4A

Halo 2 got AAA even though it had a very mediocre single player compared to the first game, while the multiplayer and online gave it some extra game time, I do not think that online was justification for giving the game an AAA score. I hope for Bungie's sake that they fix the single player issue and at least give the game some added depth with a good storyline.

It sounds like your listening to what other people had to say about the SP rather then forming your own opinion. The only reason it aqcuired mass negative criticizm about its single player was because it didn't live up to the HYPE, not because it sucked in any way because it didn't.

honestly I think people didn't really have problems with the story, I think it was the ending that started the backlash against the story.

it just ended in a cliffhanger. that was teh only problem. it was great fun and a great story.

GS has strict rules when it comes to reviewing games and very high standards.

So I feel this might be a lower score than most people expect.

[QUOTE="lespaul1919"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

jethrovegas

i have said it before, ill say it again. halo 1 had PERFECT gameplay.

Not it didn't.

Nogame has ever had perfect gameplay. Ever.

yes it did. and it still does...i play it everyday.

honestly I think people didn't really have problems with the story, I think it was the ending that started the backlash against the story.

LEGEND_C4A

It was definitely the cliff hanger ending...that would anger anyone..Book, film or videogame just say no to cliffhangers.

its AAA, everyone is saying that there nothin new, there really doesnt need to be that much new to it, if its not broke dont fix it. Its goin to have a great campaign and story, new weapons,vehicles and equipment,the multiplayer( unlockable armor permutations now )is back and better than ever, they added forge and saved films which u can share over XBL and on bungie.net, its goin to be the HALO we love andalot better o ya i forgot it has 4-player online co op. on all that it deserves a 10, if bisoshock gets a 9.5 or whatever it got with no multiplayer then halo 3 deserves a 10

[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Why fix what isn't broken?

The gameplay in the Halo-games has been nothing short of perfect. It's not the easiest task to improve upon an already mastered formula and even so, Bungie has IMO delivered in this aspect with the inclusion of equipments, FORGE, new vehicles, new weapons, new gamemodes etc.

foxhound_fox

Perfect is an obvious overstatement of course, since nothing is perfect in this industry. However, Halo: CE is the closest to perfect I've witnessed a console FPS get. There were of course flaws (as is with every game), but those were minor at most, thus I personally can't find much more room for improvement.

Yes, Halo 3 is making improvements in the gameplay department, but I seriously doubt that gameplay will be the determining factor in terms of lowering the score since both predecessors received a full 10 in that area. Multiplayer seems to have gone through quite a major improvement which makes me think that the score will mostly depend on the Single Player experience. This which was the exact case for Halo 2 - A game that delivered in most, if not all, aspects...except for the Single Player that left many fans with a bad aftertaste.