Uh, that's what generic means. It seems like a lot of people are saying just that, though. Halo isn't generic but it can be described by the definition of generic. I guess they think if the word generic is attatched to it the game somehow becomes bad. It doesn't. It's a very fun game. It's just that it's fun for its execution, not for it's innovation.IHalo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
skrat_01
Halo isn't generic.
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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but it's very hard to when the world is literally at your fingertips. So now I assume that instead of reading Bungie's article directly citing its inspirations, or any other third party article thereof, you've actually read the source material such web articles refer to. We live in a world where there are countless numbers of stories all having the exact same settings and plot points -- World War 2, the Vietnam war, modern day whodunnit thrillers and Knights Templar conspiracies. It was inevitable given the relatively limited capacity of the human mind. Then to single out one universe with a lack of knowledge (but perhaps you are compelled to on an inherently argumentative forum) intrigues me, simply because it's not the first -- nor will it be the last -- to do such a thing. No one complained about Tolkien's universe because they read the exact same moral story in the most famous book in the world: written thousands of years ago, compiled and published for all to hear. Neither did anyone cry foul play when certain creatures of Middle-Earth were seemingly taken from Norse mythology, circulating in folkore for God knows how long, then attributed to his legacy. I wouldn't disagree with them either. So you see, you did not read Halo in Starship Troopers. Halo does not linger on Earth-centric politics, nor is it trying to be a moral lesson for modern soldiers. The common idea of using humans vs aliens is about as applicable as the Allies vs Axis in the movies Downfall and Joyeux Noel. Nor did you "read" Halo in Ringworld. With an eccentric cast of characters present in one but not in the other, and half the book spending time on knowing them, the only real similarities are the crash landing on the planet, and of course, the ringworld itself. As Larry Niven once stated, he doesn't even own the rights to "big rings" (he was even given a copy of the game) -- that's also known as a big fat hint to the unknowing. Understand that making big claims in ignorance is a no-no. I too have watched films about World War II prior to 1998. And yet still, Saving Private Ryan amazingly is different to Casablanca. Who would have thunk? Dan O'Bannon, the man behind one of the most imaginative, original, and thrilling sci-fi stories ever, Alien, was once asked where he got his ideas from. This is the direct quote he said: "A lot of people speculated as to where I stole it from. The truth is I stole it from everywhere."Halo relates to being a generic FPS in the same way Tylenol relates to being a generic painkiller. It's just a shiny label and an ad campaign slapped on top of a core gameplay that was more innovative when it was called Marathon, and a story that was more interesting when it was called Starship Troopers and Ringworld. I'm a fan of Halo CE, but it wasn't my first exposure to space marines fighting an alien religious cult facing an onslaught of headcrabs, all with the possiblity of the "big red reset button" in the sky being pressed.
So is Halo unique? Perhaps in quality of execution - but it borrows heavily from source material, so to say "it has been done before" is not far from correct. If you have to argue over a "subtle distinction" in its gameplay structure, you've already lost this argument.
subrosian
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Doom is an exception, because it was relatively new in the genre. Wolfenstein was the only true FPS that preceeded it. In fact, since Doom put FPSes on the table, how the hell is it considered generic anyway? But how is Halo's gameplay design that of a standard FPS in 2001? I don't remember any FPS before it that valued shooting, melee and grenades equally. Neither do I remember any that had vehicles as a standard and vital component across both the single player and the multiplayer. Sure, now everything that's incorporated is pretty much the standard, but just because other video games have to keep up with the times does not take away what other games first achieved.No i mean its gameplay structure.I thought there were loads of people on GS who didnt really like Bioshock.
Hell i thought it was damn great though.
Halo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
Doesent mean its a bad game either. Was Doom bad?FrozenLiquid
I'll go into it after I get some dinner - got the munchies
Well please elaborate, because when I saw "gameplay design", it really only meant room for one thing.1. Ok I mean gamelpay structure, that is similar to earlier FPS. Before you verbally rip my head off, I think that Halo levels play out very similar to those of earier shooters like Doom. Point A to B - down a linear path - enemies inbetween, perhaps some backtracking in between. This is where I think its design is quite simplistic. Its not a bad thing at all, its just somthing the series has always had.
As for shooting melee and grenades. Well Melee, im not going to dabble with, after I put my thinking cap on, but Grenades were Highly valued in Tribes 1 and 2, let alone Counter Strike, and Half Life (the later was huge singleplayer wise with grenades). Hell Tribes had a 'grenade' button long before Halo.
Vehicles as standard and a vital coponent. Please. You know this as well as I do others made vehicles of extremely high value. Tribes in particular made vehicles as an extremelly valuable assest - while primarily for transportation and mobile firebases - or interceptors, in CTF they were must haves and dramatically impacted on the gameplay. Tribes 2 more-so with bombers, and mobile field bases. What about Operation Flashpoint. Vehicles were more important in that game than possibly every FPS conceived nowdays. What else do you expect when you have a sim like war game that focuses on land, air and sea forces.
Halo did make the rechargable shield a standard - personally I think Halo CE did it the best - shield gave tactical flexibility, but enough to be cautious, and take risks.
And yes Halo did popularise the 'melee' button aswell, making it a standard.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Uh, that's what generic means. It seems like a lot of people are saying just that, though. Halo isn't generic but it can be described by the definition of generic. I guess they think if the word generic is attatched to it the game somehow becomes bad. It doesn't. It's a very fun game. It's just that it's fun for its execution, not for it's innovation.I think a generic is a too strong word to use, because it basically means unoriginal, and flawed.IHalo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
Hoffgod
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]Doom is an exception, because it was relatively new in the genre. Wolfenstein was the only true FPS that preceeded it. In fact, since Doom put FPSes on the table, how the hell is it considered generic anyway? But how is Halo's gameplay design that of a standard FPS in 2001? I don't remember any FPS before it that valued shooting, melee and grenades equally. Neither do I remember any that had vehicles as a standard and vital component across both the single player and the multiplayer. Sure, now everything that's incorporated is pretty much the standard, but just because other video games have to keep up with the times does not take away what other games first achieved.No i mean its gameplay structure.I thought there were loads of people on GS who didnt really like Bioshock.
Hell i thought it was damn great though.
Halo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
Doesent mean its a bad game either. Was Doom bad?skrat_01
I'll go into it after I get some dinner - got the munchies
Well please elaborate, because when I saw "gameplay design", it really only meant room for one thing.1. Ok I mean gamelpay structure, that is similar to earlier FPS. Before you verbally rip my head off, I think that Halo levels play out very similar to those of earier shooters like Doom. Point A to B - down a linear path - enemies inbetween, perhaps some backtracking in between. This is where I think its design is quite simplistic. Its not a bad thing at all, its just somthing the series has always had.
As for shooting melee and grenades. Well Melee, im not going to dabble with, after I put my thinking cap on, but Grenades were Highly valued in Tribes 1 and 2, let alone Counter Strike, and Half Life (the later was huge singleplayer wise with grenades). Hell Tribes had a 'grenade' button long before Halo.
Vehicles as standard and a vital coponent. Please. You know this as well as I do others made vehicles of extremely high value. Tribes in particular made vehicles as an extremelly valuable assest - while primarily for transportation and mobile firebases - or interceptors, in CTF they were must haves and dramatically impacted on the gameplay. Tribes 2 more-so with bombers, and mobile field bases. What about Operation Flashpoint. Vehicles were more important in that game than possibly every FPS conceived nowdays. What else do you expect when you have a sim like war game that focuses on land, air and sea forces.
Halo did make the rechargable shield a standard - personally I think Halo CE did it the best - shield gave tactical flexibility, but enough to be cautious, and take risks.
And yes Halo did popularise the 'melee' button aswell, making it a standard.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Uh, that's what generic means. It seems like a lot of people are saying just that, though. Halo isn't generic but it can be described by the definition of generic. I guess they think if the word generic is attatched to it the game somehow becomes bad. It doesn't. It's a very fun game. It's just that it's fun for its execution, not for it's innovation.I think a generic is a too strong word to use, because it basically means unoriginal, and flawed. Nah I agree mostly with what you said lol. And I'm feeling pretty good right now :D.IHalo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
Hoffgod
*puts ear to ground*
There coming, quickly, we must hide.
Mythbuster4ever
Man the mancannons!
Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
swamprat_basic
Um there are actully innovative games that also sell well...
halo is not generic
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Nah I agree mostly with what you said lol. And I'm feeling pretty good right now :D.skrat_01LoL im surprised, I was expecting a marathon debate session Nah I'm cool with it. Can't do two essays in one night. Btw you need a sig of some sorts. Hard to pick you out from the crowd.
I thought there were loads of people on GS who didnt really like Bioshock.
Hell i thought it was damn great though.
Halo isnt generic, its just its gameplay design is standard fps design, simlar to earlier games.
Doesent mean its a bad game either. Was Doom bad?skrat_01
Yes, doom is bad................I said "is" cause I still play doom-egine games8) Halo has very simlar gameplay to all shooters but the close range is very diffrent.
Halo:CE isn't genaric, Halo 2 also isn't genaric, Halo 3 also isn't genaric.
My beef with the Halo series does not come from 1 or 2, I own and love both of them to death. My beef comes with three. Sure 2 had a lousy ending for the single player, but overall it was a crap load of fun and set up for an amazing sequal. Then it had the best online play on consoles ever.
Then 3 came along. The story was blow average and the single player was short. The gameplay was no different than 2 (floaty and arcady), the online had new maps and modes but doesn't play much different than 2.
Overall Halo 3 was way overrated. It was average at best. It was the same game as Halo 2 and left me even more pissed at the story and its lack of being good.
Off topic, but I think Halo 3's graphics are better than Gears of War, which is still touted as the best on 360. I played arguably Gears' best looking level which is the underground one (the one that looked like CG/concept art first time through), and then played the Halo equivalent (arguably one of, but not the best), Floodgate and Cortana. I honestly have to say, despite the jaggies, Halo 3 looks more appealing, especially with the crazy lighting.FrozenLiquid
I love Halo's artsyIe and lighting. It's not the best technically, but it's cIass to see all colour! Too many grey dreary shooters.
*Looks at the top sellers list* You sure you don't wanna change that statement?Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
swamprat_basic
If you don't enjoy the game, that's fine, but I'll never believe it's "generic" unless someone can point out a multiplayer game that plays like it. It's hard to even call it a "shooter" when half your kills are some kind of melee (or splatter or grenade or enemy falls off the edge).
If you base your "Halo = generic" thinking off of the campaign, that's... stupid. Of course, GameSpot is filled with a bunch of stubborn anti-multiplayer Bioshock lovers, so good luck to me trying to get that message across...
Instead of saying Halo is "generic" you could just say you didn't like it.
PotatoSan
Show me proof it's not.
What was wrong with Halo 3's story? In a final chapter which usually is the resolution of any story regardless, having that many twists in it is godsend -- too little and it will be bland, too much and it would have been convoluted. Sure the storytelling is pretty lame (*SPOILER* "You are Forerunner" & deaths of people *END SPOILER*), but the actual story does have its merits. Especially the end (not the crap epilogue). I can understand people feeling the end was recycled gameplay-wise, but damn, story-wise, that was one of the wisest choices. A full ironic ending. My favourite bit in the story definitely has to be about Master Chief. When the world is at stake, and time is running out, all the guy really wants to do is save Cortana. Whatta a suave mo' fo'.Halo:CE isn't genaric, Halo 2 also isn't genaric, Halo 3 also isn't genaric.
My beef with the Halo series does not come from 1 or 2, I own and love both of them to death. My beef comes with three. Sure 2 had a lousy ending for the single player, but overall it was a crap load of fun and set up for an amazing sequal. Then it had the best online play on consoles ever.
Then 3 came along. The story was blow average and the single player was short. The gameplay was no different than 2 (floaty and arcady), the online had new maps and modes but doesn't play much different than 2.
Overall Halo 3 was way overrated. It was average at best. It was the same game as Halo 2 and left me even more pissed at the story and its lack of being good.
Wasdie
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Off topic, but I think Halo 3's graphics are better than Gears of War, which is still touted as the best on 360. I played arguably Gears' best looking level which is the underground one (the one that looked like CG/concept art first time through), and then played the Halo equivalent (arguably one of, but not the best), Floodgate and Cortana. I honestly have to say, despite the jaggies, Halo 3 looks more appealing, especially with the crazy lighting.locopatho
I love Halo's artsyIe and lighting. It's not the best technically, but it's cIass to see all colour! Too many grey dreary shooters.
Haha, yeah, and I love how Bungie said "NO!" to bloom[QUOTE="Wasdie"]What was wrong with Halo 3's story? In a final chapter which usually is the resolution of any story regardless, having that many twists in it is godsend -- too little and it will be bland, too much and it would have been convoluted. Sure the storytelling is pretty lame (*SPOILER* "You are Forerunner" & deaths of people *END SPOILER*), but the actual story does have its merits. Especially the end (not the crap epilogue). I can understand people feeling the end was recycled, but damn, story-wise, that was one of the wisest choices. A full ironic ending. My favourite bit in the story definitely has to be about Master Chief. When the world is at stake, and time is running out, all the guy really wants to do is save Cortana. Whatta a suave mo' fo'. Ah yes, the story. Halo's story has potential. Notice I say HAS potential. They could have developed on Master Chief's motivations that were elaborated in the books, but they didn't. Hes a tabula rasa that just doesn't feel very compelling. Thats not to say Halo's story is horrible, its just not amazing. Having borrowed from a variety of science fiction IPs, Halo's story isn't the most original around. Thats not to say that other games are more original. The point is, Halo's story just isn't all that and a bag of chips. It could have BEEN all that and a bag of chips, but Bungie failed on an aspect of the story that could have added so much depth.Halo:CE isn't genaric, Halo 2 also isn't genaric, Halo 3 also isn't genaric.
My beef with the Halo series does not come from 1 or 2, I own and love both of them to death. My beef comes with three. Sure 2 had a lousy ending for the single player, but overall it was a crap load of fun and set up for an amazing sequal. Then it had the best online play on consoles ever.
Then 3 came along. The story was blow average and the single player was short. The gameplay was no different than 2 (floaty and arcady), the online had new maps and modes but doesn't play much different than 2.
Overall Halo 3 was way overrated. It was average at best. It was the same game as Halo 2 and left me even more pissed at the story and its lack of being good.
FrozenLiquid
[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]*Looks at the top sellers list* You sure you don't wanna change that statement?Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
Vandalvideo
Don't confuse games that top weekly sales charts and games that set sales records.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]*Looks at the top sellers list* You sure you don't wanna change that statement?Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
swamprat_basic
Don't confuse games that top weekly sales charts and games that set sales records.
Cars was one of the best selling games last generation. 0_o[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]*Looks at the top sellers list* You sure you don't wanna change that statement?Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
Vandalvideo
Don't confuse games that top weekly sales charts and games that set sales records.
Cars was one of the best selling games last generation. 0_oSo one extreme example proves me wrong? :roll:
That's the problem with the internet these days. It's so easy to get away with hyperbole, people actually convince themselves of their own bull@$%#.
(post)VandalvideoBecause if they did, they would have opened an entire can of worms. There was stuff before the first Halo, between the first and second Halo, and finally, between the second and third Halo. People who never read the books or other Halo media, much less people who didn't play the first two games like yourself, would have found it extremely uncomfortable and foreign that all this baggage has been placed upon the game, compensating for the lack of such links between the other Halo media and the previous Halo games. Master Chief essentially is a Gordon Freeman character. If you read the Bungie interview with N'Gai Croal I believe his name is, one of the phrases says something along the lines of "Why Bungie deliberately made Master Chief more defined than Gordon Freeman". There's a nice big hint there. By the way, Cortana defines the Chief. She did that in the previous two games. Maybe the writers did not know how to handle both characters separated, but if you were looking to find the Chief defined in words in the third game, you're looking in the wrong place. Look, I told you to read what I told to subrosian. Don't be stubborn enough not to. I'm not a girl, I don't have a crush on you, so I don't find that attitude cute. I don't want to have to repeat myself again, especially since I took the time to write that post in an easy-to-digest manner. Bungie wrote that article, and their previous article (they wrote two) from a long time ago because they are humble. Very few people are humble in the entertainment business, because that's the nature of it. In fact, most people backstab their friends in order to claim an idea that's theirs, copywriting it, turning it into a major production and you'll never hear about the scandal. Ever. I know of a woman who wrote one of the biggest Star Trek twists (I don't know the exact one because I'm not a ST fan). She had the papers, she showed me the dates, and she also showed me her ex-friend -- the person who was given all the credit. And to think, we're actually looking down on a creative collective who are willingly admitting their sources of inspiration. Makes you think twice, doesn't it? http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/704/704806p1.html -- this is but a small tap into the world of storywriting. This is only for your favourite medium. The game gets bigger writing for film and novels.
So one extreme example proves me wrong? :roll:That's the problem with the internet these days. It's so easy to get away with hyperbole, people actually convince themselves of their own bull@$%#.swamprat_basicYes, yes it does. Everytime I look at the sales charts Its always casual game, casual game, nintendo firstp arty title, sports game, sports game, casual game, good game.
Of course it isn't generic. Generic games don't sell millions upon millions of copies. Generic games don't set sales records.
But good luck convinving somebody who doesn't want to be convinved.
swamprat_basic
Actually, they do... just look at... well, Halo.
[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]So one extreme example proves me wrong? :roll:That's the problem with the internet these days. It's so easy to get away with hyperbole, people actually convince themselves of their own bull@$%#.VandalvideoYes, yes it does. Everytime I look at the sales charts Its always casual game, casual game, nintendo firstp arty title, sports game, sports game, casual game, good game.
My statement from before applies again: the problem with the internet these days is that it is to easy to get away with hyperbole that people actually convince themselves of their bull@$%#.
Exaggeration does not win arguments.
Vandal, you still have a problem of running at the mouth and being as stubborn as a mule. It's what my fourteen year old brother does. When you grow up and able to take it like a man, get back to me, maybe we can celebrate over a beer.
My statement from before applies again: the problem with the internet these days is that it is to easy to get away with hyperbole that people actually convince themselves of their bull@$%#.Exaggeration does not win arguments. swamprat_basicWhat part of "Cars was one of the best selling games last generation" and "every week casual games top the charts" do you not undestand. Better yet, provide evidence to the contrary.
[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]My statement from before applies again: the problem with the internet these days is that it is to easy to get away with hyperbole that people actually convince themselves of their bull@$%#.Exaggeration does not win arguments. VandalvideoWhat part of "Cars was one of the best selling games last generation" and "every week casual games top the charts" do you not undestand. Better yet, provide evidence to the contrary.
Cars doesn't score 9.5s across the board though, does it billy?
What part of "Cars was one of the best selling games last generation" and "every week casual games top the charts" do you not undestand. Better yet, provide evidence to the contrary.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]My statement from before applies again: the problem with the internet these days is that it is to easy to get away with hyperbole that people actually convince themselves of their bull@$%#.Exaggeration does not win arguments. Ninja-Vox
Cars doesn't score 9.5s across the board though, does it billy?
Exactly my point?FrozenLiquid, you have to agree with the guy. While i've been in an epic arguement with him before regarding the game being "unoriginal" - which is just flat-out wrong in every respect - you have to agree that the story could have been so much more than what it is. Look at the books. Imagine if those awesome stories were actually told in the game, as opposed to them simply cutting crap out, dumbing things down and claiming "but the casuals..." as the excuse.
Face it; bungie, for whatever reason, prefered to leave an awful lot of the story out of the game in favour of putting it in books and on the website. All three Halo games basically amount to you finding, and stopping, the covenant as they attempt to activate an alien artifact.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but at the simplest level, is that not the story of all three games? No spartan training. No Contact Harvest. No battle on the space station. No last ditch defense of Earth.
Vandal, in regards to your arguement about halo being unoriginal; did we not do that dance before? I find it pretty amazing really, that you actually brought up Bungie's article on sci-fi IPs as evidence that it's not original when the last time you did, that arguement was blown out of the water so badly that you went on a half-hour trolling spree and even admitted that you were wrong and that you were just trolling at the end of it. :|
The bungie article is on their inspirations. Everything from the camera angles they use in their cut-scenes to the little monacles the Marines used to have. You were told this last time, and why you're trying to use it as evidence that they simply "borrowed" story elements in the creation of their own story again is beyond me.
Inspirations, borrwing, they are one in the same at the end of the day. It doesn't matter your nomenclature, they took aspects of the story from different IPs and made an amalgamation. That much is true. If I were to even use so much as a baseword structure in my APA papers I could be kicked out for plagarism. I'm being lenient here.Vandal, in regards to your arguement about halo being unoriginal; did we not do that dance before? I find it pretty amazing really, that you actually brought up Bungie's article on sci-fi IPs as evidence that it's not original when the last time you did, that arguement was blown out of the water so badly that you went on a half-hour trolling spree and even admitted that you were wrong and that you were just trolling at the end of it. :|
The bungie article is on their inspirations. Everything from the camera angles they use in their cut-scenes to the little monacles the Marines used to have. You were told this last time, and why you're trying to use it as evidence that they simply "borrowed" story elements in the creation of their own story again is beyond me.
Ninja-Vox
I get how people think halo is generic but when people think that since halo is "generic" it equals a bad game thats when there flat out wrong.
I see halo as inovative but thats just me :)
I see halo as inovative but thats just me :)Gh0st_Of_0nyxReally? How so?
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Inspirations, borrwing, they are one in the same at the end of the day. It doesn't matter your nomenclature, they took aspects of the story from different IPs and made an amalgamation. That much is true. If I were to even use so much as a baseword structure in my APA papers I could be kicked out for plagarism. I'm being lenient here.Vandal, in regards to your arguement about halo being unoriginal; did we not do that dance before? I find it pretty amazing really, that you actually brought up Bungie's article on sci-fi IPs as evidence that it's not original when the last time you did, that arguement was blown out of the water so badly that you went on a half-hour trolling spree and even admitted that you were wrong and that you were just trolling at the end of it. :|
The bungie article is on their inspirations. Everything from the camera angles they use in their cut-scenes to the little monacles the Marines used to have. You were told this last time, and why you're trying to use it as evidence that they simply "borrowed" story elements in the creation of their own story again is beyond me.
Vandalvideo
No. That's absolute nonsense. "inspirations" is not the same as "borrowing". Vendiz was inspired by Monet; that doesn't mean he went and borrowed his colour schemes and brush techniques to make his own paintings. That's the flimsiest arguement...
And again; we've even argued this before. That's why it's so unbelievable that you're actually trying to make that point again when it was blown out of the water so comprehensively the last time.
The halo story is not a combination of other stories "borrowed' from and pasted together. You tried to claim it was last time and failed miserably. Why bother trying again?
It's a sci-fi space-opera involving a race of religious zealots trying to unearth the ruins of a long-extinct space-faring civilisation, and in the process, leads said race to exterminate humanity who have made colonies on planets containing many of these ruins, the big twist being that the people they are exterminating are the very descendents of the gods they worship.
In a nutshell. It's as original a story as any other sci-fi IP out there. Complain about the lack of that story being fleshed out in the games; i'd completely agree. But your arguement that the Halo story is unoriginal fails.
[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]I see halo as inovative but thats just me :)VandalvideoReally? How so? The ease at which players can just jump in and play. Story is amazing, the online has basically become the standard MP online of XBL. just to name a few.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Inspirations, borrwing, they are one in the same at the end of the day. It doesn't matter your nomenclature, they took aspects of the story from different IPs and made an amalgamation. That much is true. If I were to even use so much as a baseword structure in my APA papers I could be kicked out for plagarism. I'm being lenient here.Vandal, in regards to your arguement about halo being unoriginal; did we not do that dance before? I find it pretty amazing really, that you actually brought up Bungie's article on sci-fi IPs as evidence that it's not original when the last time you did, that arguement was blown out of the water so badly that you went on a half-hour trolling spree and even admitted that you were wrong and that you were just trolling at the end of it. :|
The bungie article is on their inspirations. Everything from the camera angles they use in their cut-scenes to the little monacles the Marines used to have. You were told this last time, and why you're trying to use it as evidence that they simply "borrowed" story elements in the creation of their own story again is beyond me.
Ninja-Vox
No. That's absolute nonsense. "inspirations" is not the same as "borrowing". Vendiz was inspired by Monet; that doesn't mean he went and borrowed his colour schemes and brush techniques to make his own paintings. That's the flimsiest arguement...
And again; we've even argued this before. That's why it's so unbelievable that you're actually trying to make that point again when it was blown out of the water so comprehensively the last time.
The halo story is not a combination of other stories "borrowed' from and pasted together. You tried to claim it was last time and failed miserably. Why bother trying again?
It's a sci-fi space-opera involving a race of religious zealots trying to unearth the ruins of a long-extinct space-faring civilisation, and in the process, leads said race to exterminate humanity who have made colonies on planets containing many of these ruins, the big twist being that the people they are exterminating are the very descendents of the gods they worship.
In a nutshell. It's as original a story as any other sci-fi IP out there. Complain about the lack of that story being fleshed out in the games; i'd completely agree. But your arguement that the Halo story is unoriginal fails.
En Contrar, inspirations are the same as borrowing. They were inspired by Ringworld, and they took ful stock and barrel the idea. They were inspired by the novel, and thus borrowed the material. THeres not much original about the Halo story, its an amalgamation of ideas spanning across tons of SCI FI IPs. This is something you can't deny, because its self evident from things like Ringworld.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]I see halo as inovative but thats just me :)Gh0st_Of_0nyxReally? How so? The ease at which players can just jump in and play. Story is amazing, the online has basically become the standard MP online of XBL. just to name a few.
Standardization =/= innovation.
[QUOTE="swamprat_basic"]My statement from before applies again: the problem with the internet these days is that it is to easy to get away with hyperbole that people actually convince themselves of their bull@$%#.Exaggeration does not win arguments. VandalvideoWhat part of "Cars was one of the best selling games last generation" and "every week casual games top the charts" do you not undestand. Better yet, provide evidence to the contrary.
Cars sold a lot when you consider that it was released on 8 different platforms, but it didn't even reach a million sales on any one platform. There are always going to be games like Cars that sell a lot, games based on hit movie franchises, which are aimed at children. However, those games never end up breaking sales records, and they do not end up on lists of the best selling games of all time.
If you look at lists of the best-selling video games of all-time they all tend to be good games (the list is a little outdated): http://www.gunslot.com/blog/top-twenty-five-25-best-selling-video-games-all-time
Sure, there are a lot of Pokemon games, but for the most part they are all classic, highly entertaining games.
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