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#1 mijkil
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Its become a standard refrain from Pc fanboys, and those that hide behind them' "halo is mediocre compared to PC fps"

Now, as someone who played so much fps on PCs that i just got plain bored of the genre, i recently played Halo 1 on the PC and Halo 2 on my 360 and my fairly low expectations where absolutley blown away.

The set pieces, the open enviroments, the vehicle battles, the sheer sense of personality from the bad-guys, and the wonderfully balanced controls all added up to some of the most entertaining gaming experinces of my life, and you know what, gamerankings.com and millions of gamers around the world would seem to agree.

Now I can see how someone could simply find the setting and tone of the game unappealing (personally i find contempary military shooters boring as hell) and i guess you could have a personal preference for keyboard and mouse - its easier and more accurate after all (i personally prefer the added challenge of thumbsticks - markmanship is pretty hard in the real world you know), but to outright dismiss the halo series as "average" or "mediocre" seems to be a pretty bad case of sour grapes to me.

It all sounds a little like :cry: "wah wah fps belongs on PC, its not fair that a console shooter gets so much love, wah wah":cry:

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

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#4 astiop
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It's not medicore. A medicore game doesn't make it to the top 10 highest ranking games on gamerankings. And halo: ce still got AAA for the pc even after 2 years.
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#5 XFLOP2
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Halo is played out and should have stopped at Halo 1.
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Halo is one of the best FPS franchises and the best on consoles. Fanboys always wish for their Halo killer and that shows how jealous they are.
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#8 Eragon_11
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halo is so mediocre, that every fps of the past 5 years has been compared to it. so mediocre that it single handedly kept the xbox alive. so mediocre that its still talked about, played, and hated on even today.

what a mediocre game.

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Its become a standard refrain from Pc fanboys, and those that hide behind them' "halo is mediocre compared to PC fps"

Now, as someone who played so much fps on PCs that i just got plain bored of the genre, i recently played Halo 1 on the PC and Halo 2 on my 360 and my fairly low expectations where absolutley blown away.

The set pieces, the open enviroments, the vehicle battles, the sheer sense of personality from the bad-guys, and the wonderfully balanced controls all added up to some of the most entertaining gaming experinces of my life, and you know what, gamerankings.com and millions of gamers around the world would seem to agree.

Now I can see how someone could simply find the setting and tone of the game unappealing (personally i find contempary military shooters boring as hell) and i guess you could have a personal preference for keyboard and mouse - its easier and more accurate after all (i personally prefer the added challenge of thumbsticks - markmanship is pretty hard in the real world you know), but to outright dismiss the halo series as "average" or "mediocre" seems to be a pretty bad case of sour grapes to me.

It all sounds a little like :cry: "wah wah fps belongs on PC, its not fair that a console shooter gets so much love, wah wah":cry:

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

mijkil

here it is folks. one person on SW loved Halo on PC. that absolutely annihaltes any argument of any other PC shooter being better. you heard it here first. gg.

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I honestly don't understand the popularity of Halo 1 & 2. Completed both of them on the Xbox but the only reason I would want to return is the local multiplayer.
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This is just my opinion: I think Half Life and Halo series are the best FPS series.

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If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

mijkil
even if they did provide a list, it's likely that you would either say that they are boring or that you've never heard of them. it's a very common tactic, actually. usually for people with a set bias when they make the statement.
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Its become a standard refrain from Pc fanboys, and those that hide behind them' "halo is mediocre compared to PC fps"

Now, as someone who played so much fps on PCs that i just got plain bored of the genre, i recently played Halo 1 on the PC and Halo 2 on my 360 and my fairly low expectations where absolutley blown away.

The set pieces, the open enviroments, the vehicle battles, the sheer sense of personality from the bad-guys, and the wonderfully balanced controls all added up to some of the most entertaining gaming experinces of my life, and you know what, gamerankings.com and millions of gamers around the world would seem to agree.

Now I can see how someone could simply find the setting and tone of the game unappealing (personally i find contempary military shooters boring as hell) and i guess you could have a personal preference for keyboard and mouse - its easier and more accurate after all (i personally prefer the added challenge of thumbsticks - markmanship is pretty hard in the real world you know), but to outright dismiss the halo series as "average" or "mediocre" seems to be a pretty bad case of sour grapes to me.

It all sounds a little like :cry: "wah wah fps belongs on PC, its not fair that a console shooter gets so much love, wah wah":cry:

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

mijkil

Great post, seriously.  You kept it simple yet nailed it completely.  All this halo hating needs to stop.
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which pc fps are better than halo 1 2 and soon to be 3 nowdays?

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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Its become a standard refrain from Pc fanboys, and those that hide behind them' "halo is mediocre compared to PC fps"

Now, as someone who played so much fps on PCs that i just got plain bored of the genre, i recently played Halo 1 on the PC and Halo 2 on my 360 and my fairly low expectations where absolutley blown away.

The set pieces, the open enviroments, the vehicle battles, the sheer sense of personality from the bad-guys, and the wonderfully balanced controls all added up to some of the most entertaining gaming experinces of my life, and you know what, gamerankings.com and millions of gamers around the world would seem to agree.

Now I can see how someone could simply find the setting and tone of the game unappealing (personally i find contempary military shooters boring as hell) and i guess you could have a personal preference for keyboard and mouse - its easier and more accurate after all (i personally prefer the added challenge of thumbsticks - markmanship is pretty hard in the real world you know), but to outright dismiss the halo series as "average" or "mediocre" seems to be a pretty bad case of sour grapes to me.

It all sounds a little like :cry: "wah wah fps belongs on PC, its not fair that a console shooter gets so much love, wah wah":cry:

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

MonacoX


Great post, seriously. You kept it simple yet nailed it completely. All this halo hating needs to stop.

if he can love halo on the PC, than i have every right to dislike it and like another game more. welcome to a forum, a place of opinions.

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BLASPHEMY!!!!!!! O_O
Halo is one of the best FPS franchises and the best on consoles. Fanboys always wish for their Halo killer and that shows how jealous they are. BioShockOwnz
Exactly hermits are just jelous that Halo isnt as good on the PC. Ive played both the Xbox version is better. You just cant control as good with WASD
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Yes. Killzone 2 will make Halo obsolete.
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i prefer Controller over K/M anyday
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Halo 1 is the best single player experience I've ever played. No doubt.
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I don't like how most lemmings act as if Halo is the best game ever. Truth be told it's not. Then after bashing other solid franchises and saying they suck or they should die, you say "buh but, what in god's name? how... how the holy hell could you bash Halo?!?!" If you can bash Mario and Jak and Metroid andHalf-Life and all the other great games out there(go ahead and take killzone, no one gives a damn) then I think hermits, sheep, cows and even some shemmings such as myself who are discusted by the hipocrisy can bash halo.
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#27 Captain_Waffles
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To the first reply, LOL!! Really, I lol'd. And to the topic... Yes, Halo is hated because of it's greatness. Its common, hate the top dog.

Also, Halo and Half-Life= God amounggames.

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#28 gtawoof
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Half Life 2 > Halo, and i have both halo for xbox and half life for PC

Halo is overated, the first halo blew me away because it rivaled goldeneye with the 4 player stuff and it was just flat out fun, then it got old pretty fast

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#29 MonacoX
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[QUOTE="MonacoX"][QUOTE="mijkil"]

Its become a standard refrain from Pc fanboys, and those that hide behind them' "halo is mediocre compared to PC fps"

Now, as someone who played so much fps on PCs that i just got plain bored of the genre, i recently played Halo 1 on the PC and Halo 2 on my 360 and my fairly low expectations where absolutley blown away.

The set pieces, the open enviroments, the vehicle battles, the sheer sense of personality from the bad-guys, and the wonderfully balanced controls all added up to some of the most entertaining gaming experinces of my life, and you know what, gamerankings.com and millions of gamers around the world would seem to agree.

Now I can see how someone could simply find the setting and tone of the game unappealing (personally i find contempary military shooters boring as hell) and i guess you could have a personal preference for keyboard and mouse - its easier and more accurate after all (i personally prefer the added challenge of thumbsticks - markmanship is pretty hard in the real world you know), but to outright dismiss the halo series as "average" or "mediocre" seems to be a pretty bad case of sour grapes to me.

It all sounds a little like :cry: "wah wah fps belongs on PC, its not fair that a console shooter gets so much love, wah wah":cry:

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

Koalakommander


Great post, seriously. You kept it simple yet nailed it completely. All this halo hating needs to stop.

if he can love halo on the PC, than i have every right to dislike it and like another game more. welcome to a forum, a place of opinions.


The only difference is that a lot of people like to force their opinions on others by making hundreds of threads trying to bash a game that has garnered such high acclaim.
I mean why dont they just let it go?  If they are so confident in their opinion, then they wouldnt need to bash halo 24/7.
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#30 mijkil
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

Hewkii

even if they did provide a list, it's likely that you would either say that they are boring or that you've never heard of them. it's a very common tactic, actually. usually for people with a set bias when they make the statement.

Not at all.

Im not saying halo is the best, i happen to hink that honour should go to half life 2.

Personal preference is one thing, but to utterly dismiss Halo as "mediocre" is a pretty warped point of view.

Anyway, please go ahead with your list.

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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

If Halo is indeed mediocre or average, would you kind people please point me towards this undiscovered pile of amazing fps games that have reduced it to such a status, because i for one would love to play them.

Hewkii

even if they did provide a list, it's likely that you would either say that they are boring or that you've never heard of them. it's a very common tactic, actually. usually for people with a set bias when they make the statement.

Not as common as people referring to Halo as generic, average, same as the past Halo, blah blah. Half Life 2 wasn't fun at all to me, which is why I never completed it. CS has gameplay that might make it the most skill dependent PC FPS ever, but it's not really fun to play. Oh, then there is the UT series, which so many claim to be obviously more fun than Halo multiplayer. As a player of both, I am looking forward to Halo3's matchmade and custom games far more than finding a UT3 server from a list and playing.

If you know people who are willing to play a Halo game with you, you are bound to have a lot of fun.

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Halo and Half-Life, what else is there, lol. :P
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I don't like how most lemmings act as if Halo is the best game ever. Truth be told it's not. Then after bashing other solid franchises and saying they suck or they should die, you say "buh but, what in god's name? how... how the holy hell could you bash Halo?!?!" If you can bash Mario and Jak and Metroid andHalf-Life and all the other great games out there(go ahead and take killzone, no one gives a damn) then I think hermits, sheep, cows and even some shemmings such as myself who are discusted by the hipocrisy can bash halo.Shinno441

In case you haven't noticed, every franchise has extreme fanboys like this, not just Halo.

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#34 Hewkii
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Anyway, please go ahead with your list.

mijkil
I didn't say there was a list. I said that you would dismiss most of the games if there was a list. nor am I saying that Halo is mediocre. I am merely saying that you favor Halo in this discussion.
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i think the "mediocre" comment comes from the "vanilla" and "bland" opinion. and those comments come from the fact that it is so basic and has felt like it perfected the core mechanics of thefps genre with every release, that it feels so basic and vanilla because it is the very definition of the modernfps genre. i call it the star wars theory.

btw, counterstrike is still the greatest fps tho, but its so different from everything else its only the definition of itself.

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Halo and Half-Life, what else is there, lol. :Pacekicka

Far Cry, Numbnuts.

Seriously, I used to own the 360 and I finished the halo single player but just couldn't bring myself to finish the halo 2 single player. Its just was not as good. Halo is good, Halo 2 not as good.

Half Life beats both.

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#37 mijkil
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[QUOTE="mijkil"]

Anyway, please go ahead with your list.

Hewkii

I didn't say there was a list. I said that you would dismiss most of the games if there was a list. nor am I saying that Halo is mediocre. I am merely saying that you favor Halo in this discussion.

Doubtfull, ive probably played most of the games on any list you might want to throw at me, and probably enjoyed them all.

None of them made halo seem mediocre

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I don't like how most lemmings act as if Halo is the best game ever.Truth be told it's not. Then after bashing other solid franchises and saying they suck or they should die, you say "buh but, what in god's name? how... how the holy hell could you bash Halo?!?!" If you can bash Mario and Jak and Metroid andHalf-Life and all the other great games out there(go ahead and take killzone, no one gives a damn) then I think hermits, sheep, cows and even some shemmings such as myself who are discusted by the hipocrisy can bash halo.Shinno441

1. They don't. Not even 1/4th of them...

2. We know.

3. Yeeaa, only lemmings do that (and not as many as you would like to believe, especialy half-life 2... If you want a series that lemmings bash the most pick final fantasy, not games that don't apply). And that realy isn't the reason behind all the halo bashing and thats painfully obvious. "discusted by the hipocrisy" give me a break. You bash halo and then say that? Whos the hipocrit now, really?

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Doubtfull, ive probably played most of the games on any list you might want to throw at me, and probably enjoyed them all.

None of them made halo seem mediocre

mijkil
I didn't say Halo is mediocre by comparison. I said that if there was a game, you would dismiss it.
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#40 furtherfan
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yeah, kinda mediocre. but i a good way. like the rolling stones, or U2.
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I despise Halo. Its boring, unimaginative, extremely derivative gameplay, level, weapon and character design bores me to death. I can recognise that people can and do enjoy it though. I don't. I feel according to my tastes that it is one of the most overrated games to ever be released into the gaming market.
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#43 PotatoSan
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[QUOTE="acekicka"]Halo and Half-Life, what else is there, lol. :Pjkmetalf

Far Cry, Numbnuts.

Seriously, I used to own the 360 and I finished the halo single player but just couldn't bring myself to finish the halo 2 single player. Its just was not as good. Halo is good, Halo 2 not as good.

Half Life beats both.

This way of thinking annoys me, a lot. Halo 2 didn't just have single player. You can't assume that everybody likes single player more than multiplayer. As far as I'm concerned, Halo 2 was basically a multiplayer game. And a really fun one.
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I despise Halo. Its boring, unimaginative, extremely derivative gameplay, level, weapon and character design bores me to death. I can recognise that people can and do enjoy it though. I don't. I feel according to my tastes that it is one of the most overrated games to ever be released into the gaming market.foxhound_fox

dont worry.biased opinions shroud the real overrated games

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dont worry.biased opinions shroud the real overrated gamesLinKuei_warrior


I don't have a biased opinion I have just an opinion like everyone else. I wish I could enjoy Halo and be a part of the amazing community... I just can't. I don't know exactly why but the reasons I listed are most likely the case. Not everyone should enjoy a certain game, then their would be no diversity among games or gamers.
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For every action there is an equal opposite reaction. Which were first, Halo fans or Halo haters, I don't know. But I do know that when I bash for e.g. Oblivion or Fear I don't get eaten alive by fanboys the same way I do if I bash Halo.

As for Halo being mediocre, I guess by today's standards it kinda is. There are haters for every popular series out there, but for some reason you can't critisice Halo without being labelled as a hater or fanboy, Halo fans don't believe that someone just genuinely might not love it. I guess the same could be said of other series as well, but it seems to be most obvious with Halo.

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#47 TyrantDragon55
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I despise Halo. Its boring, unimaginative, extremely derivative gameplay, level, weapon and character design bores me to death. I can recognise that people can and do enjoy it though. I don't. I feel according to my tastes that it is one of the most overrated games to ever be released into the gaming market.foxhound_fox

Halo's gameplay is no more derivative than any other first person shooter out there, and it has it's own ideas to give the gameplay some personality of it's own.

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#48 mijkil
Member since 2004 • 546 Posts

I despise Halo. Its boring, unimaginative, extremely derivative gameplay, level, weapon and character design bores me to death. I can recognise that people can and do enjoy it though. I don't. I feel according to my tastes that it is one of the most overrated games to ever be released into the gaming market.foxhound_fox

So did you actually play the game, with that burning loathing within you the whole time, or did you just decide to forgo that part?

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#49 xDonRobx
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Hermits hate Halo because it proved console FPS can be just as good.

The best genres on PC or FPS and RTS, I think RTS will always be better on PC but I guess their just a little scared of what Halo has done for console FPS.

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#50 lespaul1919
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my halo PC montage.

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/3pCojt7EiZU.html

http://gameroom.mlgpro.com/view/3pCojt7EiZU.html

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