Halo Reach Beta was a HUGE disappointment (please read)

As a gamer who started off on halo 1, I loved the halo franchise, halo 2 was better than halo 1 imo. Then halo 3 came out it was not as good as halo 2 (multiplayer wise) but it was still enjoyable and the most balanced shooter this generation which made it fun that you didn't have to deal with bs like noob tubes, planted grenades, claymores etc.

However, after playing the Halo reach beta I was very disappointed. From the sounds of it, it felt like it was going to be halo 1 style, it wasn't......

Let me list the problems: Ok the abilities. The abilities were a nice idea but didn't feel as if they were thought out, alot of them were not balanced at all (remember the whole reason halo is huge multiplayer wise is the balance and low% of bs)

Sprinting-It's promoting camping/ someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all (bloom plays into this). In halo 3 if someone camped you couldn't do much but you could counter if you knew what you were doing with the br like ghandi hopping and 4 shots, however in reach because you have to time your shots you're pretty much screwed if someone straight lines you while sprinting. No game should promote camping but reach has

Camo-This ability isn't so bad, i dont like how it messes the opponents radar because you're put in a position where you know theres a guy with camo around, however its useless to decipher if theres two camo guys, or a camo guy and one other shooter, and you're forced to gamble.

Jetpack-Ability is good however bumper jumper with jetpack is useless and really wish bungie would allow you to customize your controller setups

Armor lock-way broken, its basically a get out of jail free card if you put urself into shootings way, in addition the length is a little much. I realize what people are going to say "OH JUST WAIT TILL IT GOES OFF AND KILL HIM" well against higher skilled players you dont get that opportunity, in addition you can abuse armor lock and use it ever 3 seconds and be invulnerable 3/4 of the game.

RETICLE BLOOM-this ones huge, its actually a huge reason why this game is disappointing. Bloom isn't adding skill in halo like it should. It's limiting skiill and slowing down an already slow shooter (reach). its why you cant counter someone sprinting at you, with bloom theoretically someone can time their shots and still lose a pistol fight (that should never happen). 3 ways to fix it, either increase bloom so that can never happpen however the game would be so much slower than it already is, reduce bloom (best option imo) or eliminate it.

Then there's the obvious grenades, slower spartans, and shotgun registration.

I'm not saying its terrible, it wasn't, but compared to other halo games reach beta was just a huge disappointment for me. It has potential tho to be better than h3.

Just my 2 cents

As a gamer who also played all Halo games, i completly desagree :P

As a gamer who also played all Halo games, i completly desagree :P

PAL360

Notice the "beta" behind the Halo Reach.

It means that its a test version for ironing evreything out. And i don't see how sprinting would promote caming, what your suggesting is just rushing (shotty rush in GoW). Camping is when you're in one place all the time and dont move.

So what your saying is, HALO REACH flop confirm?RTUUMM

'If someone someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all.' Yes you can. Sticky grenade to face as they sprint at you. They're dead. They lose their melee weapon. Job done. You act like there are dozens of melee weapons strewn across the map anyway. There's never more than one, usually. Like every other 'pro' complaining on bnet, it seems that people essentially want the game to be exactly the same as Halo 2. If it isn't, then it's 'broken' and requires fixing. No it aint. Reach is the most radical change to the Halo sandbox out of any of the other games. You need to adjust and get used to it and stop acting like not being able to do the things you used to do in Halo 2 or 3 means that this game is broken or badly designed. Ninja-Hippo

You are in the extreme minority. I enjoyed the game alot and the only problem i had was already addressed the bloom issue that was a bug with headshots not landing. I played over 400 games in 2 weeks and loved every game. I only played 2100 in Halo 3 so i can already tell im going to enjoy Reach alot more.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]'If someone someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all.' Yes you can. Sticky grenade to face as they sprint at you. They're dead. They lose their melee weapon. Job done. You act like there are dozens of melee weapons strewn across the map anyway. There's never more than one, usually. Like every other 'pro' complaining on bnet, it seems that people essentially want the game to be exactly the same as Halo 2. If it isn't, then it's 'broken' and requires fixing. No it aint. Reach is the most radical change to the Halo sandbox out of any of the other games. You need to adjust and get used to it and stop acting like not being able to do the things you used to do in Halo 2 or 3 means that this game is broken or badly designed. Microsoft1234

You are in the extreme minority. I enjoyed the game alot and the only problem i had was already addressed the bloom issue that was a bug with headshots not landing. I played over 400 games in 2 weeks and loved every game. I only played 2100 in Halo 3 so i can already tell im going to enjoy Reach alot more.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

You are in the extreme minority. I enjoyed the game alot and the only problem i had was already addressed the bloom issue that was a bug with headshots not landing. I played over 400 games in 2 weeks and loved every game. I only played 2100 in Halo 3 so i can already tell im going to enjoy Reach alot more.

Microsoft1234

It is a bug and Bungie stated that they accidently messed with the hit detection when they messed with a different part of the code, but it wasnt known until the beta was underway and they didnt feel like changing it.

Their first fail was removing the BR, one of the great things in any FPS ever was 4 shoting with the BR and now it's gone... I mean wtf?

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

You are in the extreme minority. I enjoyed the game alot and the only problem i had was already addressed the bloom issue that was a bug with headshots not landing. I played over 400 games in 2 weeks and loved every game. I only played 2100 in Halo 3 so i can already tell im going to enjoy Reach alot more.

Microsoft1234

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]'If someone someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all.' Yes you can. Sticky grenade to face as they sprint at you. They're dead. They lose their melee weapon. Job done. You act like there are dozens of melee weapons strewn across the map anyway. There's never more than one, usually. Like every other 'pro' complaining on bnet, it seems that people essentially want the game to be exactly the same as Halo 2. If it isn't, then it's 'broken' and requires fixing. No it aint. Reach is the most radical change to the Halo sandbox out of any of the other games. You need to adjust and get used to it and stop acting like not being able to do the things you used to do in Halo 2 or 3 means that this game is broken or badly designed. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

You are in the extreme minority. I enjoyed the game alot and the only problem i had was already addressed the bloom issue that was a bug with headshots not landing. I played over 400 games in 2 weeks and loved every game. I only played 2100 in Halo 3 so i can already tell im going to enjoy Reach alot more.

It is a bug and Bungie stated that they accidently messed with the hit detection when they messed with a different part of the code, but it wasnt known until the beta was underway and they didnt feel like changing it.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] yea and when you sticky them they run right at u, stickys are not a way to counter and if they are then this game is even more unbalanced then i thought. I'm not stating it should be like halo 2, it just needs to be better (where did i state that exactly?) I did adjust and the day after i went back to halo 3 and it was alot better. Did you even read the entire thing? what i wrote? i brought up points with facts. Microsoft1234

How are the abilities not balanced? Powerlock got nerfed and works as intended now.

Camo only works if you dont move

Sprint is fine the way it is

Jetpack is good, but makes you an easy target.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Yes if they're sprinting at you and you sticky them you may die in the explosion too but you will kill them and part them from their power weapon. You're saying the game is broken because someone might occasionally kill you? You can't counter everything. You are saying it should be like Halo 2 because again, just like the complainers on bnet, you start up about the BR and 4 shotting and ghandi hopping. If you want that, play Halo 2 and Halo 3. Some of us don't want to play the same game over and over again. Just because Reach doesn't play the way you think it should does not make it broken. The emphasis in Reach is on team work. 'Pros' from Halo 2 who would just headshot with the BR and never touch another weapon or help their team out will obviously hate that if they refuse to adapt and get with the new game. If you think Halo 3 is better play Halo 3. The rest of us will play a NEW game. Fizzman

How are the abilities not balanced? Powerlock got nerfed and works as intended now.

Camo only works if you dont move

Sprint is fine the way it is

Jetpack is good, but makes you an easy target.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] it is broken tho, the abilities aren't balanced at all, and the difference being in halo 3 if someone straight lined you, you could melee and get a br shot off on them or counter easier then in reach. I'm not refusing to adapt. every developer should try to aim for a game where skill is dominant (think gears 1) and reach hasnt showed that at all. Why do you have to time your shots with the pistol but be able to spray with the AR? Its cool if you enjoy reach i enjoyed it just not as much but an enjoyable game doesn't mean its balanced.Microsoft1234

How are the abilities not balanced? Powerlock got nerfed and works as intended now.

Camo only works if you dont move

Sprint is fine the way it is

Jetpack is good, but makes you an easy target.

Am i supposed to care what game mode makes it in MLG? The abilities were balanced and Bungie stated that almost all kits were used equally.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] it is broken tho, the abilities aren't balanced at all, and the difference being in halo 3 if someone straight lined you, you could melee and get a br shot off on them or counter easier then in reach. I'm not refusing to adapt. every developer should try to aim for a game where skill is dominant (think gears 1) and reach hasnt showed that at all. Why do you have to time your shots with the pistol but be able to spray with the AR? Its cool if you enjoy reach i enjoyed it just not as much but an enjoyable game doesn't mean its balanced.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

How are the abilities not balanced? Powerlock got nerfed and works as intended now.

Camo only works if you dont move

Sprint is fine the way it is

Jetpack is good, but makes you an easy target.

Am i supposed to care what game mode makes it in MLG? The abilities were balanced and Bungie stated that almost all kits were used equally.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] it is broken tho, the abilities aren't balanced at all, and the difference being in halo 3 if someone straight lined you, you could melee and get a br shot off on them or counter easier then in reach. I'm not refusing to adapt. every developer should try to aim for a game where skill is dominant (think gears 1) and reach hasnt showed that at all. Why do you have to time your shots with the pistol but be able to spray with the AR? Its cool if you enjoy reach i enjoyed it just not as much but an enjoyable game doesn't mean its balanced.Microsoft1234

I suppose that would be a problem if you wandered the map alone with no team mates.

May i ask what your gamertag is, TC? Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

If someone sprints at you in a straight line in Reach, you can surely shoot them as they run toward you and by the time they reach you they're one melee away from death? Honestly i've never encountered this god-awful sprint rushing issue that you complain about, and i've never heard that complaint anywhere else. You say you want skill to be dominant, yet complained earlier that you hate armor lock because when up against a better team you'll get killed before you can kill an armor locker. You are refusing to adapt. If you'd stop wishing that the game was more like Halo 3 and be more open-minded you could change up your play style to better fit the new sandbox rather than sticking to old habits and complaining that the game is broken when they don't work. If someone sprints at you and takes you down, they used a good strategy to get a kill. Ninja-Hippo

I suppose that would be a problem if you wandered the map alone with no team mates.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] the mlg version of h3 was perfect, and i only brought it up because its a gametype where they care about skill and balance and the fact that thy will almost not be used shows they're not balanced/competitive (which is my whole argument). Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] In armor lock with the skill issue, im complaining that the person with armor lock is getting a free pass because against higher skilled teams you can't just stand over the armor lock guy you have to move and get out while he calls out and it might be the melee system but people sprinting with melee weapons or shotguns and its harder to spam your pistol (not guaranteed to hit, again thanks bloom) and im talking how people can literally just crouch and sprint at you where as in previous halo games if people camped it hurt their team and it was easy to counter for a higher skilled person. IN reach its basically promoting crouching around corners and stuff. It's only a huge issue with shotgun and melee weapons like sword/ hammer (i will add in that i like how the sword can be countered with timing)

Microsoft1234

I suppose that would be a problem if you wandered the map alone with no team mates.

I was referring to getting owned by shotgun crouchers.

Sprinting-It's promoting camping/ someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all (bloom plays into this). In halo 3 if someone camped you couldn't do much but you could counter if you knew what you were doing with the br like ghandi hopping and 4 shots, however in reach because you have to time your shots you're pretty much screwed if someone straight lines you while sprinting. No game should promote camping but reach has

Microsoft1234

:question: :| This is something completely new.

RETICLE BLOOM-this ones huge, its actually a huge reason why this game is disappointing. Bloom isn't adding skill in halo like it should. It's limiting skiill and slowing down an already slow shooter (reach). its why you cant counter someone sprinting at you, with bloom theoretically someone can time their shots and still lose a pistol fight (that should never happen). 3 ways to fix it, either increase bloom so that can never happpen however the game would be so much slower than it already is, reduce bloom (best option imo) or eliminate it.Microsoft1234

Bloom only added to the game and did not subtract.
Are you saying that the bloom makes it unable for someone to shoot someone else before they are able to melee you? Because that is completely not true, and if you experienced that you maybe are just not skilled enough to counter it. Sorry.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

I suppose that would be a problem if you wandered the map alone with no team mates.

I was referring to getting owned by shotgun crouchers.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

Sprinting-It's promoting camping/ someone sprints out you with a melee weapon you can't counter at all (bloom plays into this). In halo 3 if someone camped you couldn't do much but you could counter if you knew what you were doing with the br like ghandi hopping and 4 shots, however in reach because you have to time your shots you're pretty much screwed if someone straight lines you while sprinting. No game should promote camping but reach has

R3FURBISHED

:question: :| This is something completely new.

RETICLE BLOOM-this ones huge, its actually a huge reason why this game is disappointing. Bloom isn't adding skill in halo like it should. It's limiting skiill and slowing down an already slow shooter (reach). its why you cant counter someone sprinting at you, with bloom theoretically someone can time their shots and still lose a pistol fight (that should never happen). 3 ways to fix it, either increase bloom so that can never happpen however the game would be so much slower than it already is, reduce bloom (best option imo) or eliminate it.Microsoft1234

Bloom only added to the game and did not subtract.
Are you saying that the bloom makes it unable for someone to shoot someone else before they are able to melee you? Because that is completely not true, and if you experienced that you maybe are just not skilled enough to counter it. Sorry.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] *face palm* im talking about the armor lock's teamm8s not your ownNinja-Hippo

its been proven its limiting skill

Microsoft1234

However, after playing the Halo reach beta I was very disappointed. From the sounds of it, it felt like it was going to be halo 1 style, it wasn't......

Microsoft1234

This is something I have not been able to understand.
Do you want a new game, or do you just want a remake of Halo: Combat Evolved? Because sure Combat Evolved is a great game, but I want something new and not a remake of a 9 year old game.

its been proven its limiting skill

I think it was fun even though it did have a fair share of issues. That's what the beta was for though. Do yourself a favor and go over to bungie.net and give Bungie your feedback.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Microsoft1234"] *face palm* im talking about the armor lock's teamm8s not your ownMicrosoft1234

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

However, after playing the Halo reach beta I was very disappointed. From the sounds of it, it felt like it was going to be halo 1 style, it wasn't......

R3FURBISHED

This is something I have not been able to understand.
Do you want a new game, or do you just want a remake of Halo: Combat Evolved? Because sure Combat Evolved is a great game, but I want something new and not a remake of a 9 year old game.

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] What he is saying is that if you had team mates or even just communicated decently what you described wouldn't happen. If a guy armor locks and calls in his team to take you down so that he can get back up, that's excellent team work and they thoroughly beat you and deservedly so. When a guy does armor lock, if you call in your team or even just one team mate that's two guys he has to worry about the second his armor lock breaks. It's a team-based game in Reach. That's the whole point of it. Leave that lone wolf stuff behind. Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]

However, after playing the Halo reach beta I was very disappointed. From the sounds of it, it felt like it was going to be halo 1 style, it wasn't......

Microsoft1234

This is something I have not been able to understand.
Do you want a new game, or do you just want a remake of Halo: Combat Evolved? Because sure Combat Evolved is a great game, but I want something new and not a remake of a 9 year old game.

The people who've been least willing to accept this on bnet are the self proclaimed 'pros' who cant stomach the fact that the cant win using their old tricks any more.

You'll have to get with the times, i'm afraid.